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CPAP Autopsy. The Anatomy of a CPAP Machine. What is inside a CPAP Machine? 

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Ever wonder what is inside of a CPAP machine? WE DO!! Check out this video where we open up an old CPAP machine and see what makes it tick. Listen to Jason say "pretty cool" about 132 times. Seriously......

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@johnzehrbach820
@johnzehrbach820 5 лет назад
The board is about a $70- 100 board in quantity. The fan about $12. The foam is for noise. The two yellow lines are to detect flow using the differential pressure to a dual sensor or sensor with both side open . the third line is air pressure vs ambient. Most of the cost is profit and govt regulation for medical devices.
@Blue.star1
@Blue.star1 3 года назад
Board is $15 in quantity
@marinmilosevic7708
@marinmilosevic7708 2 года назад
@@Blue.star1 Hi, could you be so kind to give me advice where to order and by parts for Remstrar pro C- Flex Cpap machine? Kind regards, Marin.
@marinmilosevic7708
@marinmilosevic7708 2 года назад
Hi, Would you be so kind to give me instraction where to order and by a parts for Remstar pro C-Flex Cpap machine? Kind regards, Marin.
@Blue.star1
@Blue.star1 2 года назад
@@marinmilosevic7708 I estimated the approximate cost . Search online for parts
@diamaunt2782
@diamaunt2782 6 лет назад
Hey, Jason, the thing you said looked like a pneumotach is the flow sensor and the pressure sensor. The clear hose near the output going to a single chip is the pressure sensor. The two darker hoses going to the larger chip is the flow sensor. If you look down the tube, you'll see some kind of restriction in between those two hoses, and then the two hoses go to a sensor that detects how much air is flow through the big tube by measuring the tiny air pressure difference between those two hoses.
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 6 лет назад
Hey there! Yes, that's what I meant by pneumotach. That's what we use to get our flow readings in the lab when CPAP is on. It's pretty cool. What is impressive to me is how it alters the flow rate to compensate for inhalation/exhalation and keep the pressure as stable as possible. The missing component that makes me chuckle when someone says they'll just hook themselves up to an air compressor. Nothing makes me chuckle like and exploding lung. LULZ ;^)
@phiksit
@phiksit 4 года назад
Can't decide if I should use a leaf blower or a shopvac to build one :)
@markmorgan1116
@markmorgan1116 Год назад
I started on a CPAP machine about a year ago. It's completely silent and now I know why. Thick padding insulation. They should do that with noisy bathroom exhaust fans and many other fans. That thing cranks away all night while you're sleeping so quiet is a must.
@meshallejames8152
@meshallejames8152 7 лет назад
I wish you wukd have shown how to clean INSIDE this model
@dkd1228
@dkd1228 4 года назад
The hard part in building one of these is writing the algorithms that control the motor speed based on the pressure sensor inputs. It's a closed-loop control system.
@novakt62
@novakt62 4 года назад
You may probably hear to pump motor spinning up and down for every breath (5 seconds or so). Is it how cpap devices work? (I've never seen/heard one)
@radgerdroid
@radgerdroid 4 года назад
hell yeah man.. i love taking stuff apart and was dying to know what a CPAP machine looks like inside..
@Guyfromhe
@Guyfromhe 8 лет назад
Not an engineer but That big chip on the top that says "Atmel" is a microcontroller that is the brains of the operation, it runs the LCD the controls, and sends commands to the fan motor and reads the data from the pressure sensors. There is likely one or more pressure sending chips and a motor driver on board that deals with the high current the fan needs. The large components on the back of the motherboard look to be a power supply or power conversion circuity to create lower voltages for the sensitive chips on the board as well as higher currents for the fan itself. It has a watch battery in there probably to keep the clock running when it's unplugged. I suspect the attachment tube has various valves or baffles in it that will open and close based on direction and pressure and the 3 small tubes are measuring airflow and pressure during those specific events. The fan motor which is the heart of the device takes voltage (probably from a PWM motor controller) and looks to have a speed sense wire that the controller can use to calculate how many RPM the fan is turning at. It's really just an overpriced fan in a box...
@johncochran8497
@johncochran8497 6 лет назад
Pretty simple device. Need the following: 1. Variable speed blower. 2. Pressure sensor. 3. Controller. For a CPAP, just vary the motor speed so that the pressure is at the desired level. Need more pressure? Speed up motor. Need less pressure? Slow down motor. If you want to be more advanced and have a BiPAP, you need to monitor the pressure a bit closer and realize what happens when someone is breathing. During the inhale, you want the higher pressure. And during the inhale, the air goes out through the vent in the mask, and into the patients lungs. When the lungs are full, the air has only the mask vent to exit, so the pressure rises above the set point. And when the patient exhales, the pressure also rises. So when the pressure rises above the set point, the patient is about to exhale, so you drop the pressure to the lower set point and have the patient exhale. And once the lungs are empty and the patient starts to inhale, the pressure will drop below the set point, so you then ramp up the speed again, to get the pressure back to the upper set point. Rinse, lather, repeat. An Arduino ought to have more than sufficient processing power to handle everything needed. The blower does need to be properly sized for the task. I'd say you want a maximum static pressure of about 10" (25 cm) of water. Don't want more than that so that if something goes wrong, you don't blow someone's lungs out. And your maximum flow rate Should be on the order of only 3 to 5 cubic feet (or 100 to 150 liters) of air per minute. Basically, you need to have enough capacity to do the job and not so much capacity that you'll injure someone if the controls fail and the blower goes full power while the person is sleeping.
@longrider8265
@longrider8265 3 года назад
Actually its quite simple. The differential ( two line ) pressure transducer is for flow and the single line is supply pressure. Looks like a simple brushed DC fan motor but may be brushless. Most of the circuit board is probably for data capture / storage. The controller could be quite simple but some fancy control logic. Not to difficult to make your own, without all the data but a Raspberry Pi could do it easily.
@mikem4432
@mikem4432 5 лет назад
That was actually very instructional, the board is the brains but as you stated it gets the inputs from those dangling tubes. A friend of mine has just such a model, it has a E-35 code, something wrong with the blower, not sure what. I am going to test the blower separately with a voltage regulator to see if it works or needs replacement. I have fixed electronic boards, this one is simple, so it could be a power source one of the rails is shorted probably.
@kennethfingleton4794
@kennethfingleton4794 5 лет назад
This video gave me the courage to take my 8 year old Fisher Paykel 604 apart this morning for cleaning. All I accomplished was replacing the CR2032 battery. There was no dust nor black mold. The blower had a trace of dirt on the blades. All the cream color foam rubber in the double switchback 180 deg turn air path was stained dark gray. Foam would not wash clean with vinegar nor blow off. Permanently stained! Exceedingly well built and designed medical equipment. I'm a retired electrician with experience repairing things. No stand alone cell phone transmitter found. It only comes apart in one direction only. The first place mold could possibly begin is in the water reservoir. I soak these in vinegar every month along with the heated hose. I took pictures but not sure how to post them. Running the machine for 6 hours was not enough to get rid of the vinegar smell. I sprayed air freshener to help but that was a bad idea. Glad I tore it apart in the morning. Thanks LankyLefty27. Just what I needed! .
@Bryan-Driscoll
@Bryan-Driscoll 7 лет назад
Just want to say thanks, your videos have helped me so much. Was going through more of your vids and saw this one and felt the need to say your videos have helped change my life, and my health. Cheers from Canada
@ardiris2715
@ardiris2715 4 года назад
That was pretty much what I expected you to find inside. My ResMed just gave me the warning, "Maximum motor life exceeded."
@Matthewfogarty
@Matthewfogarty Год назад
I really appreciate you making this. I really was curious. Thanks.
@sheri2554
@sheri2554 7 лет назад
I was really hoping for some teeny tiny man with a bellows ala Flintstones. bummer.
@adityavardhan428
@adityavardhan428 3 года назад
This is the only video which shows internal parts. Good One. This video answers my question.
@fletcher3913
@fletcher3913 9 лет назад
Cool. I have been taking things apart to see what was in side since I was a kid just like you Jason. I also took the cover of my PAP machine, but I put mine back together and it still worked. Haven't done that to my new machine though. 8-)
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 9 лет назад
fletcher3913 Come on!!!!! Take it apart and lets take a look-see. :^) Taking things apart is becoming a problem. My lawnmower was acting up, so out came the toolbox....
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 9 лет назад
***** HA!!! I have a giant blade in my hand and you're checking out my teeth!?!? Sugar is great. Especially in Dr. Pepper!
@johnzehrbach820
@johnzehrbach820 5 лет назад
The LCD and the Silicone keypad are probably the most expensive single component... around 20-30 $ each
@marinmilosevic7708
@marinmilosevic7708 2 года назад
Hi John, please answer me where to order and by parts for this Cpap C-Flex machine. Thanks Marin.
@marinmilosevic7708
@marinmilosevic7708 2 года назад
Hi Jaison, Thanks for inspirering me to open this C-Flex Cpap mashine. I am capable to fix it as long as I will find parts for it. Marin.
@scififan698
@scififan698 3 года назад
you can clearly tell the whole price scam on these cpap machines. It costs about $150 to build it... the rest is profit!
@elmermonroe4340
@elmermonroe4340 6 лет назад
Thankx a ton!! You kept me from "overhauling" the wife's machine!!
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 6 лет назад
I say "go for it" anyway. It's therapeutic.
@wiredforstereo
@wiredforstereo 3 года назад
The two tubes are pressure sensors for a venturi flowmeter, measures flow by differential pressure through a constriction. Math. I'm guessing the third tube is another pressure sensor to measure the patient's delivered pressure. Not a Philips engineer, I'm a civil engineer so I once was educated in venturi flow meters. I had one of these, now have a Dreamstation. Interesting that these older ones had a bunch of foam for noise absorption. The Dreamstation has the entire blower assembly isolated inside another plastic container, much quieter.
@valentinssi2
@valentinssi2 8 лет назад
hepled gain confidence to open mine and clean the filth inside
@justtinkering6713
@justtinkering6713 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video of your hands.
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 11 месяцев назад
😂
@concernednewfie
@concernednewfie 2 года назад
Nice to see. Great video. I currently have a rental machine to see how it all works out for my issues. Depending on the outcome, I guess I will own one for 'life' moving forward.
@angelamaxwell59
@angelamaxwell59 3 года назад
I have 2 different cpap machines that work , been trying to find out how and where to recycle them, no answers so far but this makes me want to just trash them and not feel guilty, thanks for the video
@marinmilosevic7708
@marinmilosevic7708 2 года назад
Angela if you are not capable to fix them , I would like to by them. Older Cpap C-Flex Remstar pro machine are much bether then new one. Thanks Marin
@angelamaxwell59
@angelamaxwell59 2 года назад
@@marinmilosevic7708 I gave them away already. after i posted this
@marinmilosevic7708
@marinmilosevic7708 2 года назад
@@angelamaxwell59 Thanks Angela Marin
@1973mre
@1973mre 4 года назад
You let the magic smoke out.
@tracey7640
@tracey7640 9 лет назад
Good morning Jason. It's so nice to see that not all Sleep Technologists are reclusive. You have dawned my horizon:) I was beginning to think I chose the wrong career path. In your downtime, when you're not taking things apart, maybe you could do some more videos on sleep disorders and reading/scoring sleep studies? I've learned more from you than any of my textbooks:D Any advice for a student of polysomnography on landing a job/internship without any prior experience in the field? Keep up the great work, you are inspiring:-)
@TheMadBawa
@TheMadBawa 5 лет назад
Enjoyed your video. Am a tinkerer at heart too. Was wondering what manner of air pump one would find in a CPAP & quite honestly was expecting a Tesla turbine! So funnily I am disappointed. Lol. Rightly so I thought you'd salvage the blower motor to use in a fun toy or experiment building a hovercraft. Thanks for showing exactly what I was curious to know.
@elanorglf
@elanorglf 4 года назад
I spent $400+ on a new M series Bipap machine. It gives me Service Required only 2 months later. I have the old version you took apart. Mine squeals like a banshee. I am half inclined to take it apart and see what the squeal is and fix it. Wish I had tried it before buying this preowned junk.
@davidsain2129
@davidsain2129 5 лет назад
Thanks, Lanky Lefty! I did wonder.
@johnzehrbach820
@johnzehrbach820 5 лет назад
The large electronic components on the backside are parts off the AC/ DC power converter and it cheaply made.
@robertplavnick7667
@robertplavnick7667 7 лет назад
Great Vid. Hope you would have found debri on the fan and the chamber intake. I got a foul taste. Tks Bob
@mozarth
@mozarth 6 лет назад
If you ever wanna do your own cpap machine, it's easy as fuck. Get a small blower, brushless motor, motor controller (brushless is for the noise factor) and power supply. Connect the output to a gallon water bottle & connect your breathing hose to the bottle. Then connect a an adjustable pressure valve to let the air escape either to the outlet or to the bottle itself. If you want it to filter air, use a larger bottle & fill it with water, then feed your intake from the top with a hose that reaches all the way to the bottom to keep it under water. Like a hookah. Is it possible? Yes. Is it easy? Yes. Even better, you can use an airflow sensor and a raspberry pi to make it an intelligent cpap device. Or use a large aquarium air pump. Your options are unlimited and this certainly is not a rocket science. I can't promise you that it'd be cheaper than a 150 dollar cpap machine, however.
@ShankarGanesh108
@ShankarGanesh108 8 лет назад
Wow!! I have been having the curious query for some time and I found answer in this video.
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 8 лет назад
I'd like to cut into some more. I did recently take apart and fix a MIP robot. That was fun, but not nearly as fun as the CPAP machine.
@Ty-er5ok
@Ty-er5ok 7 лет назад
Just watched this, awesome! Tearing shit apart is fun. Helpful hint: Firecrackers work REAL good in taking stuff apart. At least, it did when I was 12 or so... ;) Serious question: Have you taken any other machines apart since? As a respironics system One user, I'd love to see its guts.
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 7 лет назад
I have a broken down System One. Maybe I'll crack that baby open soon. I do have some M-60's laying around. If that's not good enough I can seal up the humidifier with some dry ice and water. ;^)
@matthewacheampong3679
@matthewacheampong3679 Год назад
Hello Jason I have a remstar pro do it come with a memory card or how am I able to show my results
@scotdoc
@scotdoc 5 лет назад
Very interesting thanks. So I have 2 machines. If I don’t use one for a few weeks or months, will any nasty bugs grow in the machine? I don’t need to use a humidifier. Seems like airflow is only in one direction in these machines i.e. out of machine. I’m basically wondering if I can keep one for occasional travel use. Tubing/mask etc always kept clean.
@jerrysantos6484
@jerrysantos6484 2 года назад
Xoyouknow how to set a REMstar LX?
@MM-bu6tm
@MM-bu6tm 5 лет назад
Thank you for all you helpful videos you have helped me alot😉💃😴
@fookutube501
@fookutube501 6 лет назад
So all you need is a mattress air pump and a speed control,pressure valve,plus mask and tube
@gumbykevbo
@gumbykevbo 4 года назад
That will do the job, but it won't last. An air mattress pump will have a brushed motor. Not only will the brushes not last very many months (weeks?) running 8 hours a night, but they will be producing carbon dust, some of which will end up in the airflow. The mattress pump will also have nylon or bronze plain bearings which also have limited life. You could use the blower part if you you could fit a brushless motor with ball bearings. The model airplane market has brought the price of these, and the needed speed control down to a very reasonable level.
@ricktimmons458
@ricktimmons458 4 года назад
is it safe to vacuum behind the filter? or, will that in anyway pull something off the board? i have 6 cats. i use laundry static pads cut down for filter. sometimes it could be weeks without a filter.
@unclefester9113
@unclefester9113 9 лет назад
A man after my own heart. Take Stuff apart. At least you get to see whats inside... You can often see how the thing functions.... Even if you can't "put it back together"
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 9 лет назад
Scott Allen :^) It's just fun. Usually takes the mystery out of things. Just like the way homes are built....just a big facade! Like seeing the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain.
@WhatDadIsUpTo
@WhatDadIsUpTo 3 года назад
I'M TELLIN' YOUR DAD! (Just kiddin'. Actually, I think we're brothers from different mothers).
@MsBigrague
@MsBigrague 7 лет назад
great info always
@Lickemstick
@Lickemstick 5 лет назад
What you should salvage is the BLDC motor in there > . > From what I've seen they put most hobby BLDCs to shame. Fun to tinker with imho.
@wiredforstereo
@wiredforstereo 3 года назад
Is this Jenna Marbles' dad? Those facial expressions...
@Bryan-Driscoll
@Bryan-Driscoll 7 лет назад
I had a 30 day free trial with an S9 Resmed, and am getting an Airsense 10 elite, is that a good one? I think it will be just fine.
@richardthistle6144
@richardthistle6144 6 лет назад
I wonder.... if I were to just remove everything, keep the fan , power it up, connect the tubing.... Would I get the highest setting on the cpap machine. My old one is set at 12. 12 PSI? Don't know don't really care. It did work at some point at the 12 setting which was the highest I could set it for. SO if I just hooked up the fan and the tubing, arranging a filter somehow. Why would that not work? Eliminating any need for lower pressures? Well It's an old one that stopped working so I'm gonna give it a go. I won't really know what pressure is coming out..
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 6 лет назад
You would probably be removing the components that make the fan alter the pressure. It increases and decreases with inhalation and exhalation to keep the pressure constant in the mask/upper airway. You can get a manometer to measure the pressure though and find out for sure.
@johnrehwinkel7241
@johnrehwinkel7241 6 лет назад
The fan motor looks like a three phase brushless motor. The three components by themselves at the fan end of the control board are the driver transistors for it. The controller regulates the speed by varying the frequency of those drive signals. It looks like the fan motor also has position sensors (likely Hall effect sensors) so it will know the fan position and can provide properly synchronized drive signals. Just hooking it to a power supply wouldn't operate the fan, you need a BLDC motor driver of some sort (in the radio controlled model worlds, these are known as "ESC" for Electronic Speed Controller, but those are designed for much higher speeds than that fan could withstand).
@selmaadamczyk5915
@selmaadamczyk5915 3 года назад
Hi, I'm a sleep tech (RPSGT). I'm not sure exactly what would happen with that...I'm not an electrician... BUT the min pressure of a CPAP machine is 4 and the max pressure is around 25. So I would not recommend simply having the fan blow. There is risk of "blowing your lungs out" (I don't think that would really happen, it's just something I've heard said). You wouldn't be at the actual pressure you would need and it would probably not be comfortable at all. There is the risk of putting extra air in your belly which ends up causing excess gas and being uncomfortable. I realize this is 3 years after this comment was made, but I'm posting just incase anyone else comes across it and thinks it would be a good idea. I would say no. Sorry.
@nixonsmateruby1
@nixonsmateruby1 4 года назад
It's just a hoover if you think about it.
@GregKeane
@GregKeane 3 года назад
I bet a DIY maker could build a CPAP for a fraction of what these companies are charging for such a important machine
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 3 года назад
I hear a lot of people say this, but I don't see anyone actually doing it. I believe that it would be much harder for a DIYer to do it than one would think.
@christopherleubner6633
@christopherleubner6633 2 года назад
Yup you could do it for about 100 bucks in surplus parts and an adurino or rasberry pi. The hardest part to get would be the brushless ultrahigh velocity fan believe it or not.
@GregKeane
@GregKeane 2 года назад
I am working on a project that requires brushless motors and they're not hard to get at all. Robotics is big and lots of makers require these motors for their projects. Their are a lot of companies that make all shapes and sizes and the controllers for these types of motors are widely available and even open-sourced. Why is no one jumping on this, I don't know, I suspect people don't know, don't care or the market is cornered by big companies. It was shocking to see how small the military versions are.
@grantsreviews4299
@grantsreviews4299 4 года назад
Here's a teardown and re-assembly of a ResMed AirSense 10, for those interested in newer machines. Quite different from what you have there. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dpI0AVoCG3M.html
@crappiemaster-hl2kf
@crappiemaster-hl2kf 7 лет назад
Can you tell me why the Dept of Transportation thinks this little machine will stop every truck driver from getting sleepy during the day?
@cebruthius
@cebruthius 7 лет назад
Not every driver. Only those with sleep apnea.
@kennethfingleton4794
@kennethfingleton4794 5 лет назад
The brain won't be starved for oxygen, resulting in drowsiness. Been there for 20 years until I heard the word apnea.
@WingedMatchbox
@WingedMatchbox 9 лет назад
How long have CPAP machines been around?
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 9 лет назад
hallecats First one was 1980. Dr. Sullivan from Australia invented it. The ResMed S9's "S" stands for Sullivan.
@VaticanToo
@VaticanToo 6 лет назад
I’m 64 and remember my aunt having one in the 80’s. It was huge, probably weighed 15 lbs and sounded like a manufacturing factory. Don’t know how she slept with the racket it made. Now I have one and I can’t even hear it run.
@p.r.deltoid7791
@p.r.deltoid7791 6 лет назад
What is needed is a "self filling" water tank . I have a Resmed 10 , and it's a pain in the assss to refill !! I have to take the machine apart to fill the tank .. Throw a tank and float device on these machines !!
@cebruthius
@cebruthius 4 года назад
Ah, Alex boy! Awake at last, yes? I met your mother on the way to work, yes? She gave me the key. She said something about a pain somewhere, hence not at school, yes?
@rogerv2958
@rogerv2958 5 лет назад
It is true you could build your own CPAP for under $100 and you could do it better, I build one for $64, so here is the question; how these companies sell this cheap machine for thousands?
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 5 лет назад
Make a video of this. TONS of people would love to see this.
@dkd1228
@dkd1228 4 года назад
I suspect that a lot of the high cost of this sort of thing is that it's medical equipment, which comes with excessive liability issues. I wonder what insurance premiums look like for these manufacturers.
@bigtank2185
@bigtank2185 6 лет назад
How can you run an advice forum and know nothing about the product's construction?
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 6 лет назад
That's like saying, "how can you teach someone how to cook without knowing how to build an oven." Sounds stupid doesn't it. Now read what you wrote again......I accept your apology.
@bigtank2185
@bigtank2185 6 лет назад
TheLankyLefty27 woooow I was simply asking a question. No need to be an asshole about it....
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 6 лет назад
"Simple" question.....man....that was a bad apology. I still accept it though. Thanks for watching!!!
@bigtank2185
@bigtank2185 6 лет назад
TheLankyLefty27 nope, no apology. Your tact is undeserving of an apology since I never created a situation that needs one.
@bigtank2185
@bigtank2185 6 лет назад
TheLankyLefty27 people that fish for, or expect apologies, don't deserve them.
@denveraspen
@denveraspen 6 лет назад
You are funny.
@cadplast2480
@cadplast2480 3 года назад
Overcomplicated
@alexdemartine4758
@alexdemartine4758 5 лет назад
Fail! Can someone get a real technician to dissemble this device and explain it's inner workings THOROUGHLY?!
@harpomarx7777
@harpomarx7777 6 лет назад
You're not a movie star ... and I don't care about your childhood. What you failed to do was keep the subject in frame and get good close-up details, particularly on the fan. It looks like a center-fed centrifugal squirrel cage, but I can't tell for sure because you didn't show it much. FAIL
@Freecpapadvice
@Freecpapadvice 6 лет назад
Correct, I've never been in a movie, so it would really be difficult to call myself a "star".....which is why I don't. What I did keep in frame was your mother. No...not a FAIL. You watched it! SUCCESS!!!! Thanks for the view! Jesus loves you.
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