In norway the diver would lose their licence immediatilly for this stuff. Cyclists have top priority in suburban and city areas and designated red colored tracks in highway areas.
I wish the UK and other countries were blessed with such common sense. The comments here that try to defend the motorist and shift the blame onto the cyclist are frankly disgusting. Take care and ride/drive safe.
I am absolutely not blaming the cyclist in any way, but there are a few things I would have seen as red flags if we swapped places. The sun is behind the cyclist, and he is coming out of shadow. The driver is looking into the sun and has there visor down, reducing there line of site. The car doesn't slow, or give any indication that they have seen the cyclist. Having sailed over a bonnet myself in a similar situation, I fined it is best to do the thinking for a lot of drivers and pre-emptively avoid their mistakes, as far as one can.
I agree completely with this analysis. As a driver and cyclist I'm always disturbed by how difficult it can be to spot cyclists when they are in a shadow and I'm driving in the sunshine. In wintertime I'm loath to cycle on the road if the sun is low and in front of me as I know how easily drivers travelling into the sun can be blinded. I don't know if the cyclist had a bright, flashing front light but I wouldn't be without one during the daytime. A hi-vis is useless when you're in a shadow like that.
I agree but sadly judging by some of the comments here there would be a lot of busy test centres! Unfortunately, a hardcore of stubborn motorists can see nothing wrong with their driving around cyclists and have a mentality of aggression towards us. These kinds of drivers are dangerous and a compete liability on the roads.
@@boostar155 The cyclist could see both the car which moved into the right turn land and the give way line which instructs them to give way. If this accident involved two cars who would you be blaming? If the vehicles were reversed who would you be blaming?
@@Biking360 Jorge should have expected that car to do precisely what it did. We need to be on the lookout for every danger on two wheels and that car was not even slowing for the turn. This analysis should have been used to spot the dangers and highlight them for education so as to avoid horrible situations like this. I know some cannot be avoided but all of us have a responsibility for our own safety and spotting the clues could save a life. The car driver is a classic example and not even a rarity regardless of what vehicle we are using. We need to adopt the mentality that everyone is out to get us because some of them are.
Great channel! Aggressive driving infractions are way up in my city (Ottawa, Canada). Drivers appear to more impatient than ever. Not sure what it will take to make people more calm and thoughtful to others. Thank you for your excellent work!
Very scary incident! I'm almost afraid to hop on a bike again. As some comments mentioned, the driver was looking into the sun, visor down, and the cyclist coming out from the shadows. I know from both riding and driving that there are certain times of the year and day visibility is extremely difficult, and due diligence when driving or riding must be taken if this was the case.. I know here, there are certain times of the day I won't ride, and if I do, choose a route where the sun is at my back or side.I don't believe the cyclist did any incorrectly. I would need more information before condemning the driver. Where was the sun on the horizon, traffic conditions, was the windshield clean, anything obstructing the driver's view, on her cell phone, DUI or DWI, other distractions? This is why the police need to do a thorough investigation, especially when there has been an injury. Was she at fault, or was I just an unfortunate accident?
The cyclist should be able to contact the police about this accident to ask if any action is being taken against the driver. He should contact them on 101 to ask to speak to someone about it. Its lazy careless driving and deserves prosecution. Updating the police about the ongoing injuries might prompt them to take action. I don't find the police indifferent but think they are busy and will get more involved when prompted by an injured party and understand the full impact an incident has had on them.
I'm not making excuses for the bad driving of these cars. Their eyes must be painted on! But this wont change any time soon because there will always be people who are careless, stupid, unfocussed and sometimes underqualified for the task they are doing (in this case driving a car). As cyclists / motorbike riders, you have to understand and accept that this is the risk YOU choose to take by riding on busy roads.
This is a very well-measured analysis. All we can do as cyclists I feel is to keep highlighting shitty driving when we see it and push for appropriate action from the police and judicial system. Sadly something that is often deficient.
My concern was the position of the Merc, its seems she was either distracted or a last min attempt to make the turn, i'm not making excuses for the driver, but it gave an indication of the drivers intention to keep going, I suspect the driver was focused on something else other than the rider. I would even argue to hold the Police to account, I would ask them if they had filed it to CPS. A letter to the top bod at the police and ask him to review it, and yes you are within your rights.. ~trooper
First clip. The cyclist jumped the lights. You are supposed to stop on amber if safe to do so. This cyclist decided to not stop when there was ample time and take the risk and...
he went through the lights at the zebra crossing on amber and if you watch carefully you will see he was past the crossing when the lights were still amber. No problem here. Also, the lights on the zebra crossing are pretty much irrelevant as they have nothing to do with the junction straight after. The driver was 100% in the wrong and frankly, it's sickening that you look to excuse some atrocious driving by the motorist.
He didn't jump the lights!! Lets get one thing straight here , the car drove into the cyclist because she didn't stop at the lines and check it was clear to proceed! Also the position of the car was at an incorrect angle for the turn. There's always one !!!
The cyclist didn't have time to stop safely at the crossing, even if he did that doesn't mean the driver has the right to drive straight into him. I hope I'm never anywhere near you when you're driving.
@@Biking360Hear, hear!! "the zebra crossing are pretty much irrelevant as they have nothing to do with the junction straight after" It also looks like that @tooyoungtobeold8756 forgot to mention the bit where the driver failed to stop at the give way lines!!
The cyclist can't just put blinders on and ride on the street fully reliant on the automobile driver to do the right thing. You need to keep you head on a swivel and constantly believe every car on the road is out to get you. Don't play games with cars on a bicycle it is a game the cyclist will lose every time. Knowing this, watch out for yourself like no one else will. If this practice is too much for the cyclist then they should not be on the road period.
I agree fully with the principle of what you say but in this instance I honestly think Jorge could have done little to have anticipated and prevented this accident. I appreciate your viewpoint though.
Amber means stop, unless unsafe to do so. As a cyclist myself, just to clear that up, he had every opportunity, and should have stopped. Do not get me wrong, the driving was dreadful, but don't make excuses for poor riding. If he had stopped as he should, he wouldn't have been knocked off. If it had been the other way round, the motorist would have been slammed for not stopping at an amber light, so lets make it a level playing field.
Quite a few people have commented, and notwithstanding the crappy driving from the motorist, that Jorge should have stopped at the zebra crossing. I respect your view but after watching it several times I still think stopping would have required very heavy braking at least and then I am still not sure if he would have had the reaction time to stop in time. As it was he cleared the crossing with the lights still on amber so I feel his choice was justified and also within the law. I appreciate you taking the time to share your perspective. Ride/drive safe. JP
@@Biking360 Fair enough, but that makes it worse. What you're saying is he approached a pelican crossing, with a pedestrian clearly waiting to cross, at a speed where he was unable to stop safely at the amber light. This then shows total lack of awareness regarding pedestrians at crossings.
@@ckspark2 What planet do you live on... Amber means stop.... End of. If you actually read my comment I said the driver was at fault, but piss poor cycling awareness didn't help.
@66oggy , the driver who was meant to yield did not have any right of way before or after the red light for the cyclist. In fact the amber light had absolutely no bearing on the driver’s decision because it was for the pedestrian crossing and not the intersection. I don’t think the driver could even see the state of the light on her side. The light is a red herring, really. It bothers me that people will find fault in someone who is faultless. Your should also not brake HARD on an amber light, as the cyclist here would have had to do, in case the car behind you thinks you’re going ahead. That unexpected move can get you rear-ended.
Definitely not Jorge fault, and a good point about drink driving, but I can only conclude they are bothered about the potential impairment and not your actual skill. In defence of the motorist, the sun was probably in their eyes and Jorge was getting a move on. I'm sure they were mortified by the accident and it is a little unfair to call it disgusting behaviour when there isn't a pattern established.
How many cyclists will this video help? Zero. Go and have a look how many times the words blame or fault are used in the video and in the comments. This tells everything.
Hi Ashley. I'm a subscriber to your channel, and I think it's a great channel you have. I think the comments about you are only in jest. You must be good or no one would mention you. Great to see you on other channels by the way.
The word fault was used twice in my video and once in the context of referring to the original video submitted by Jorge. I never used the word blame a single time. As for the video helping cyclists well maybe it won't. Who knows? However, it may help to generate more awareness of the severity of the injuries we face in the event of accidents with motorists. That in turn may make motorists think twice when driving around cyclists. Maybe it will also help to mobilize cyclists to push for stronger punishments against negligent drivers and for better cycling infrastructure. Again, who knows?
It's the car's driver's fault - 100%. Mitigation - They had the sun in their eyes with the cyclist in the tree's shadow. Also it could have been that the perspective of the cyclist from the driver's point of view did not change and so more difficult to pick out. Mentally the driver also might have thought that there were no vehicles coming, as the light was red - not taking into account a slower moving cyclist. Having said that they should have noticed the cyclist when they started to turn, but were either distracted or looking down the road they were about to turn into.
Agreed that there may have been mitigating circumstances though it still doesn't detract from the driver's responsibility to only proceed when she can see it is safe to do so. Thanks for the comment and ride/drive safe.
Jorge i do blame you for this. It was a Merc so You know they dont have to stop, same for a BMW, AUDI, RANGE ROVER. all cyclist`s have a quivering lip so dont worry about it. P.S also add Volvo to list of road owners too ,best of luck.👍
Just about every cyclist alive , if they are being honest have made more illegal manoeuvres than any car driver. Myself included, because I can reflect honestly on my riding skills.
The mentality of us vs them is strong here. We're all just people. Riding defensively is paramount but nothing of the sort is mentioned here just who is to blame. No analysis either just blame.
The cyclist did not slow down approaching the traffic lights which were at amber. He had plenty of time to stop but he simply ignored the lights as cyclists do. The motorist saw the light go red fro oncoming traffic and continued not expecting someone to run the lights. Both were at fault and both should have paid miore attention.
Complete rubbish. The cyclist cleared the lights at the zebra crossing and was the other side when they were still on amber so no issue there. Watch again and you can see this. Additionally, the lights on the zebra crossing have nothing to do with rights of way at the junction. It was the sole responsibility of the driver to ensure the road was clear before turning. Her driving was shit Jorge did nothing wrong. I worry for you riding a motorcycle.
@@Biking360 I hope he just posted his moronic comment for a reaction and doesn't actually believe what he wrote. I get a lot of comments like this one to my videos, it's made me lose a bit of faith in humanity.
i'd love to live in a world where walking, cycling and driving a motorised vehicle is possible in separated areas (like in the netherlands). here in germany a lot of the bike paths are very badly maintained, therefore i prefer riding on the streets even though i have to accept the fact that every time i hop on my bike (which is daily) i might get killed out there. thats just a shameful state of mind to be in while participating in the daily traffic. i dont think jorge is at fault, both could've done better - but motorists should always keep in mind that when they crash into a bike, the cyclist might die. if the cyclist crashes into you, you have some scratches and maybe a dent to the body of your car. a little bit of consideration for your weaker traffic participants goes a long way
I agree, Ashley Neal would probably lecture the cyclist on how to avoid the collision with his driving instructor expertise. He would also fault the cyclist for not making it a non event as you said. 🤣🤣
Biking360: Another brilliant job. You made so many great points that I lost count!! The vehicle hitting drivers have NO idea of the pain and suffering that cyclists go through when being hit by their one ton plus metal box. Injuries are life changing for cyclists; but do these impatient, going nowhere fast drivers care? Hell no!! I've seen so much; drivers driving on the wrong side of a refuge island only to park up seconds later!! WTF is all that about?
As you rightly observe there are far too many impatient drivers on the road. I am beginning to think that any close pass or collision with a bike, which is down to the motorist, should be an instant 12-month ban. I bet that would sort out their driving around cyclists and maybe make them slow down a bit too!
I write from the point of view of the most vulnerable road user - the pedestrian. Where I live there are a lot of impatient drivers, but additionally so many impatient and poorly disciplined cyclists who fail to stop at any point for a red light, or junction, ride at night with no lights (wearing dark clothing), failing to give way, or stop. As a pedestrian, I cant count the number of times I have almost been hit by cyclists at pedestrian crossings, or tearing along a pavement. The closest encounter happened recently while I was crossing a road in the dark on a poorly lit street - a cyclist in dark clothes, with no lights, riding fast, ran into me. I hadn't seen him. Fortunately it was a glancing contact. The attitude - it was my fault, with the usual string of expletives from the cyclist. Unfortunately, bad cyclists are almost immune from prosecution.
@@Biking360 The real reason for close passes is that they can get away with it. It happens to me every day I go out on my bike. I don't know how many times I've reported it with camera footage, and not once has anything been done. I've even had a close pass and the idiots thought it was funny. Yes, a ban for a year and made to take an advanced test should sort it out.
The cyclist wishes he approached the juction with a bit more regard it could have been avoided. in reality the cyclist aproaches all of his juctions excactly the same fashon just ploughing on through it almost hit by himself if you know what i mean .if he has a compensation claim the woman would have been convicted
the rider wasn't riding 2 abreast, not that that matters as it is completely legal and makes no difference to drivers As for keep to the left - that depends entirely on the situation and is at the discretion of the rider - as you would know if you had read the HWC
Common sense says stay the fuck out the road. Keep your elbows and pedals out of the traffic. Use the sidewalk where you won't get fucking hit. Y'all want to blame people for being in moving traffic.
Unless, you were not allowed to use the sidewalk (or pavement as the brits call it), which is exactly the case according to uk highway code §64. Maybe read up on some stuff, before confidentially spewing your ill-informed opinion all over the place.
It was in no way the cyclist fault. But even if it was there is still no excuse. The only solution is to stop cycling on all public roads. The lightest car on the road weighs a ton. It's no contest. If you want to cycle, then do so by all means. But the moment you decide to go up against a ton of moving metal please remember it was your decision. It is your responsibility to make the right decisions and protect yourself. Failure to do so just because you can or because it's a shared resource and you have all the God given rights to do so doesn't make it a safe decision. The world isn't fair. Deal with it. Until then, many more will die. A very simple fact.
A few slight problem with banning cycling where I am. Here in London there are 1.26 millions journeys made by bike. This in itself reduces congestion and pollution. Neither the road system or the public transport could cope with the extra capacity required to accommodate the extra travellers, & compared to many other European cities London' cycle rate is relatively low. Also cyclists live longer than the general population so the mortality rate would actually rise.
@@zivkovicableUnlike the owner of this YT channel and the the wording in the thumbnail I was very careful with my wording. I didn't mentioned banning anything. My point was simple. There needs to be a serious mind shift with regard to cycling no matter it be city, urban or rural. No matter the facts, figures, stats, cycling is a personal choice and not not a safe or wise one. That's a simple fact. You throw your leg over the crossbar of a bicycle you have just risen your chances of someone other than you removing your footwear later that same day.
LOL it's a right-turn accident that happens every day regardless of the vehicle on the main road. Cycling campaigners seem to have a religious outrage every time a bicycle is involved.
That's because we can easily be killed or seriously injured. Jorge still has ongoing injuries as a result of this accident that are affecting his life and from which there may be no end.
So good to hear. Frankly, there have been an alarming number of motorist apologists who have commented and tried to shift the blame onto Jorge. It is honestly both alarming and sickening. Ride/drive safe. JP
@@user-sf7kl9uh7k The driver in this video either wasn't paying attention to their driving while crossing oncoming traffic, or they simply lack the faculties to drive safely. Either way, and irrespective of what current legislation says, they should be stripped of their licence for *at least* 12 months. They have no place being on the road in charge of a car.
@@minesadab It looked to me like a momentary lapse, I presume her driving record was assessed. However there are no aggravating factors by the sound of things. I hope she had to attend a driver improvement course however.
It's not just the motorists that need to do better, it the police and magistrates as well. Like you say. You can be over the limit, get a years ban, 10 years endorsement, big fine and an insurance hike but hit a cyclist and get off with it. It doesn't make any kind of sense. There's got to be more done about this carry on.
A licence for a bike. With insurance and a number plate. That way cyclist riding behaviour should improve. Punishment licence revoked as it is for cars.
@@pigswillbepigs How are all those measures working for car drivers? If the current state is the improved behaviour, man it must have been really shit before.
The laws do keep the vast majority in check. @@geoffmerritt but now police rely on either motorists or cyclists to be a grass. Police presence is also the answer.
@@pigswillbepigs They were going to make cyclists register but it would cost so much that it was abandoned. As far as numberplates go, how big do you think they should be? Remember you need to read it 20 metres away. Then after all that, at what age should all this start?
Yes you are right, the vehicle drivers fault and the police will tell this. Doesn't matter if a cyclist has no lights at night or going though a red light.
That's not true, you can't cycle at night without lights and then expect a default verdict in your favour. Cycling at night without lights is an offence in itself, your advice is poor. I'm a cyclist myself and understand the vast majority of deaths and serious injuries amongst cyclists are the fault of drivers. But your comment here is BS
That's BS, cyclists have to follow the law too, you can't jump lights or ride around at night without lights and expect a default judgment in your favour if you get hit. And you know it
This is a shocking footage. I totally agree with your analysis. The driver was very careless and irresponsible. What makes things worse is the attitude of the police. They should have taken his side. he was definitely not at fault. She should have given way to him. It’s like she didn’t see him at all. Maybe the cyclist as some special cyclist power of invisibility. 😂
@@Biking360 That's why you buy a nice blinking light and mount it on your bike. I don't think "it doesn't look good" is a valid excuse for not making sure you're seen.
BS that was just aggressive riding, without regard to forward thinking or safety. 0.54 secs lights turn to amber with him far enough away from them to stop. had he stopped the car would not have hit him. just in case anyone has forgot. you stop on amber not just carry on the driver would have had a green light to turn,
He went through the zebra crossing and was through the other side when the light was still on amber. Nothing wrong there. Also., to say if he had stopped then the car would not have hit him is completely ridiculous. Plus, the lights at the zebra crossing are not especially relevant since they have nothing to do with the rights of way for vehicles and road users directly after the junction. Finally, to say someone riding at 12mph when they are holding a straight line and riding in a completely predictable manner is aggressive is ludicrous.
@@Biking360 bicycles are not exempt from the highway code. "pedestrian crossing or not. AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident" this was not the case as the clip clearly shows he was 20 mtrs away from the lights when they changed. .
@@Soupdragonism AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears AFTER you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident. this was not the case here he was 20 mtrs away from the lights when they changed he should have stopped at the line,, had he done that he would have been stationary when the car turned right.
@@yorkiecol7973 We all know what "AMBER" means. The crossing lights are irrelevant to this accident as they only control the crossing. They cannot be seen by the motorist and do not control what the motorist should do. The motorist should have given way at the give way line. If they had done that the cyclist wouldn't have been hit by the car.
That was NOT careless driving, that was attempted murder. And should be punished so severely that the mummy behind the wheel can't even afford to buy a bus ticket.
Yes, I noticed he went through an amber light and if you watch the Breakdown section of the video I take the time to comment on this fact to dispel any criticism of his riding. I don't believe he had the time to safely stop as the split-second decision to do so would have caused him to have to make close to an emergency stop which in itself is dangerous. As I said in the video he was past the zebra crossing when the light was still on amber so no traffic offence was committed. The cyclist did nothing wrong here yet you want to focus on him riding through an amber light rather than the careless and negligent driver ploughing straight into him and causing him ongoing serious injuries. Unbelievable.
You claimed that "if the cyclist hadn't illegaly gone through an amber light he would not have been hit!" Clearly you fail to understand the HWC Rule in that Amber lights usually means stop, unless it's unsafe to do so. So how can that be illegal? You are just being another talking: 'Could have, should have, would have done merchants.'
@@powernab8457 It was perfectly safe to stop so I undersand the law and the cyclists action was clearly illegal, you obviously DON'T understand it. Or are you one of the "traffic lights don't apply to me if I'm a cyclist" brigade! 🤣
Amber usually means stop, unless it's unsafe to do so. If you're too close to the line at the time the lights turns amber which he was, he was committed, and braking sharply could lead to an accident. Technically it's legal to go through an amber light, however the Mercedes driver didn't give way so it's an open shut case. definitely - certainly - undoubtedly - totally - completely - entirely - the Mercedes driver fault. case closed.
you went on already yellow, by the time you pass the car you have the RED signal, You sholud not be on the street with your bike, keep your self to your bike lane
You have totally misunderstood the traffic layout. The lights only relate to the zebra crossing and have nothing to do with the rights of way at the junction past the zebra crossing. Incidentally, Jorge was completely clear of the zebra crossing when the light was still on amber. Check again in slo-mo if you don't believe me.
have a accident should be a instant driving retest if the driver found at fualt pluss points and fine. if that dont work driving retest every 5 years for every motorist pluss double insurence .this madness got to be stopped drive carefull out there please .you dont no how painfull and life changing it can be till you are hit by a driver breaking the law .i hear drivers reading what about cyclist breaking the law cyclist only themselfs to blame when injured doing so a 2 ton car tottaly difrent to 120kg bike and rider..check this vidoe out ...WHY should you leave space for Cyclists? The Melon and the Grape
I agree with you that drivers who cause accidents should face serious consequences. It’s not fair that they endanger other road users especially cyclists and get away with it. I think a driving retest, points, and fine are reasonable measures to deter reckless driving like you said,👍👍
Cyclist going hell for leather, person waiting to cross, the button box would be illuminated to show the person had pressed the button, no anticipation or slowing down should the lights change or the person stepped on the crossing, cyclist would have ran into him. Had he slowed down and even stopped at the light as it would have changed to red. Then he wouldn’t have been took out. Blame blame blame is all this channel is about. Blowing smoke up each others 🫏🫏🫏Learn to share the road. You lot need some type of number plate, with insurance.
To stop at the zebra crossing would have required Jorge to perform close to an emergency stop which if something was behind him, and he might not have known if it was an electric vehicle, could have caused an accident. He chose to proceed through, a split-second decision, which saw him safely through the other side with the light still on amber. No traffic law was violated in any way by our cyclist friend here. Plus, if the pedestrian had stepped onto the crossing it would have been so when the light for him was clearly on red so why would she do that? As for the channel being about "blame, blame, blame", the channel is about trying to educate people like you about the danger of how you drive around cyclists which still obviously hasn't got through. Concerning your last points, the only country to try imposing compulsory insurance was Switzerland around 10 or 20 years ago. They gave it up because of the lack of claims and also because it simply wasn't worth enforcing. No country in the world currently requires this though many cyclists do have insurance for their own protection. On your final point, the only country in the world to require or have ever required cyclists to have a number plate is North Korea. `A great country to emulate for their progressive policies, right?
