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CRAZY ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INSTALL - Working at a Lithium Battery Recycling Plant - Part 2.
Join us as we carry out a very unusual Electric Vehicle Charging Point installation, harnessing the power of recycled lithium batteries to charge new electric vehicles! There are a few shocking finds along the way and some apprentice training too!
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@artisanelectrics 7 месяцев назад

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@ons-mart 3 года назад

7:25 Jordan “Always close your knife” 8:10 and 9:43 casually chucking open knife next to him 😂

@StephenLyons1984 3 года назад

Can we get a best off Reuben standing with his arms crossed please Apprentice style

@jeffcartwright7270 3 года назад

I for one, would like to see how the recycling centre works. Just as curious to find out which EV is suppling the centre with all of these batteries ?. Early Nissan Leaf's maybe ?????.

@timahad5165 3 года назад

Was thinking exactly the same thing

@richard766723 3 года назад

crashed cars?

@rtfazeberdee3519 3 года назад

Maybe batteries from mobile phones, computers and other handheld devices. Don't think there are many EV batteries available yet as they are lasting longer than expected and lots are used in ICE to EV conversions and other 2nd life applications (Nissan and Renault does lot of this with their batteries) but early battery chemical batteries is a distinct possibility

@edwyncorteen1527 3 года назад

Battery shown was definitely not a Leaf, Nissan have their own program to recycle their batteries into second life stationary batteries.

@Backflipp3r98 3 года назад

test

@PersonGamma 3 года назад

I thought you shouldn't use stainless steel bolts on aluminium plate due to galvanic corrosion? 🤔

@oliverriall 3 года назад

I have heard this many time before as well, however some people seem to think that it is not an issue sometimes

@1bigsyd 3 года назад

Definitely would love to see inside the plant…I’m very interested in lithium batteries…I’m actually building portable power banks using old 18650 batteries while watching you

@tomcardale5596 3 года назад

Variation on the Olympic theme, how about modern pentathlon? The competitors and the sports get chosen at random at the opening ceremony. You have until the closing ceremony to prepare, it's the last event held. The winner gets to extinguish the torch.

@rondo122 3 года назад

"always close your knife" - leaves his knife open - This is Jordan, don't be like Jordan, close your knife! :)

@hallga2 3 года назад

Got to be a hacksaw, could do these glands blindfolded when I was an apprentice. Shroud too!

@brendon-paul 3 года назад

Please tell me you didnt just swap L1 and L2. Phase rotation should be used on the second charger. L2-L3-L1

@artisanelectrics 3 года назад

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@josephdavies6777 3 года назад

May of bought the armour slice. I have ruined to many armour cables

@barrieshepherd7694 3 года назад

Re the pedestals - steel mounted onto aluminium plate with stainless steel screws - and all outside exposed to the elements - classic dissimilar metal corrosion combination.

@tceng9449 3 года назад

I came here to say the same thing! Stainless vs aluminium is worse than galvanised vs aluminium.

@oliverriall 3 года назад

Possible the ally has been passivated or similar

@dan.vitale 3 года назад

Red Bull's rival Monster sponsor Lewis, Corey. Doh!

@MarkDurbin 3 года назад

I would watch the Corlympics!

@DasFuechschen 3 года назад

Have you thought about instead of switching L1 and L2 to rotate all of the phases? Would also balance the loads if the cars only use one phase but also preserve the order of rotation in case it matters at some point in the future.

@roydowling2542 3 года назад

That's what he did. 26:12

@aaronmdjones 3 года назад

@@roydowling2542 No he didn't. The L1 terminal is on the right in a Zappi; he wired it with L1 and L2 switched, and L3 correctly. This is out of rotation.

@roydowling2542 3 года назад

@@aaronmdjones My apologies I didn't know they where wired right to left.

@royking1 3 года назад

Anyone else cringe when Jordan just threw the swa armouring down whereas Cory twisted them to keep them tidy. You can tell who's the tidy worker and who's the desk jockey now.

@gordontownsend1544 3 года назад

Interesting Video, Thanks for sharing, Always great to see an educational video. My only problem is, Why didn't the Apprentice get to try out the different techniques. I am a Leco by trade and also supervised our Electrical Apprentices, and you Can't beat Hands-On Experience. I decided a long time ago that I would not get an Apprentice to be treated as a Trades Assistant, but instead, try my best to teach and let them experience All aspects of the job at hand. Maybe it's just an older concept, but that’s just my opinion. I still loved the video and the challenge, between workmates, is always healthy. Would love to see the video of the Recycle centre. Take Care.

@gibsonmb1 3 года назад

I use an adjustable plumbers pipe cutter

@RyanDonaghys 3 года назад

Reuben got shown how to do a swa cable. Would have been nice to see him try even on a spare bit as you need to try to really learn.

@bigalsbash 3 года назад

You shouldn't be using stainless fasteners with aluminium exposed to the elements. Galvanic corrosion between dissimilar metals will occur and in this case aluminium will he given up to the stainless. While it may take some time the aluminium plates will eventually be eaten away around the fasteners. For some time prior to failure it will also look unsightly with areas of white deposits around the fasteners (aluminium oxide). This is the same reason alloy wheels have balance weight stuck on rather than stainless clips at the rim edge as per steel wheels.

@acelectricalsecurity 3 года назад

What about the steel wheel nuts, or steel pins that the nuts tighten the wheel on. I think galvanic corrosion is the least of their worries there, those things will probably be knocked over before that has time to happen and the base plates replaced on a regular basis.

@MatthewGeier 3 года назад

Learned the hard way on my boat :-) The small stainless bolts that held the aluminium window frames mostly snapped off instead of unbolting when I had to remove the windows. There was obvious corrosion around each bolt. (Was exposed to saltwater, corrosive stuff, seawater). Boat owners have apparently had aluminium masts fail where stainless bolts were used to attach hardware. Colleges that work on the museum tramway I volunteer at always use anti-seize on the stainless bolts used on the overhead wire supports, otherwise, after a few years, you will never be able to loosen the nut off to make adjustments. While a landlocked site may not have salt laden are to contend with, how acidic is the local rain water :-)

@bigalsbash 3 года назад

@@acelectricalsecurity alloy rims are often coated/laquered, insulating and removing the galvanic jjunction. The hub area is also less prone to being exposed to surface water than the rim. Also, if you knock a stainless weight on the rim you will break through the coating. Eventually the wheel nuts will also break the coating and you can see on older cars the aluminium oxide spreading from the wheel nuts. Fortunately this area is also the thickest/strongest part of the wheel so we don't see them breaking, they get re-furbushed or replaced because they are unsightly long before being compromised. The damage at the rim occurs a lot more rapidly. The corrosion can cause difficulty sealing new tyres when fitted and on some occasions the weight takes a chunk of rim with it when removed. Of course the secondary reason for stick on weights is so they can be on the inside of the rim and nit seen. But the fact remains this is a galvanic junction and will look unsightly in time. Considering artisans strict attention to detail in everything he does, i'm sure he will look at this and consider other options in future. Insulating sleeves and washers or anodised aluminium fasteners are simple fixes here.

@dannycrooks8462 3 года назад

Yes would love to see a video on the battery recycling 👍🏻👍🏻

@artisanelectrics 3 года назад

Brilliant!

@adrianraith3831 2 года назад

From 10 years in the food industry - always put copper grease on stainless fasteners, otherwise they tend not to come out easily again... I use the Sacs tool for SWA

@blahh397 3 года назад

Isn't there a chance of galvanic corrosion between the aluminum and the stainless steel bolts?

@niallmacneill5525 3 года назад

I call it a shroud too not a boot 😂

@Lineandsinker87 3 года назад

I call it a gland sock 🧦 for no other reason than I’m strange and want to be unique 😂

@MZimmer275 3 года назад

22:25 In Germany the acronym DHL can be described as "dauert häufig länger" which means in English "lasts often longer". 😅 LOL

@IanFarquharson2 3 года назад

Drop, Hide, Lose

@andrewuk8363 3 года назад

Drop it hide it lose it... Dropped it had it lost it

@Lui-893 3 года назад

Jordan cutter looks more comfortable to use and precise, but Cory still does a great job with old school style 👍

@gregorythomas333 3 года назад

"I'm going to melt that into a nice low-calorie shape" So stealing that line!!

@activerfid2366 3 года назад

Love your videos

@patg4362 3 года назад

Don’t know what Cory's on but can you send me a few gallons he’s so funny 😂 I think

@robbiedix6775 3 года назад

Want to see you use your fancy armor cutter on a 240mm 3 core, lol.

@warrmr 3 года назад

@Cory If you get your RedBull sponsorship you have to get "Sparkie Juice" Branded cans love it man!! @Jordan just because im a bit of a nerd. Colours of "Rust" Iron Oxide is Red Aluminium Oxide is White Copper Oxide is Green So if you are getting white coloured corrosion on the "Steel" of SWA it is is likely to be Aluminum Oxide and the "Steel" is likely to be Aluminium. One way to test is does a magnet stick to the wire armour. High Carbon Steel oxidises super rapidly, you can pretty much watch it rust in front of your eyes.

@edc1569 3 года назад

Mega thumbs up for rotating the phases, I've been wondering about that, thought I think I'd keep the sequencing correct, i.e. a) 1-2-3, b) 2-3-1, c) 3-1-2

@rayc1503 3 года назад

Shroud's my preference and I'm more into just using a vde rated hacksaw. I have the armour slice but only use is occasionally. Super content guys, nothing like a bot of healthy competition 😜👍.

@tangoengineering 3 года назад

Your tool of the day only works up to 50mm my hacksaw does all armoured cable and its spanners for glands not grips Jordan stick to T+E

@jessiepooch 3 года назад

Snarky as usual..

@tangoengineering 3 года назад

@@jessiepooch Does Snarky mean truthful

@marquisdemoo1792 3 года назад

In my opinion the myenergi UK charge stands look a bit industrial with the cables exposed top and bottom so I ordered my stand from myenergi Benelux, who market a stand which encapsulates the cable inside the stand itself and therefore looks neater.

@jneale7715 3 года назад

Just cut the end off the Milka like an icing piping back and eat it like frubes!

@UserName-yk7om 3 года назад

Idea: You guys have collected buckets full of experience with EV charge points. You know the problems in practical application. What about engineering your own charge-point with a local electronics company? Cambridge should have the brains for such a project 😉 My bucket list would be: PEN fault protection & rcbo, integrated wifi access point (for car updates), ethernet port, part of a system like the one by myenergi, IoT ready, modular hardware for easy maintenance, reliable components ....

@patdbean 3 года назад

It would be good to have a video about the workings of the recycling plant. If only to send to people who insist that lithium batteries can't be recycled and they "ALL" go to land fill.

@pwaelectricalltd29 3 года назад

I would call it a shroud and I would only use a junior hacksaw to score the armouring. I’ve terminated 100’s over the years.

@user-fp3mn3dw7x 3 года назад

18:16 jokes on you I’m running a enterprise server as my router and that’s the router only, the switch and access point is separate, you won’t be able to power those with that power bank😂

@AndyK.1 3 года назад

Bundys power supply could cope

@NickW1111 3 года назад

From experience, if you are going to change the phase connected to L1 you need to maintain the phase order. So connect L2 to the L1 terminal, L3 to L2 and L1 to L3. Then use the phase rotation menu setting to tell it what you have done, so it can correctly calculate the power draw or export using any external CTs. Finally, if there are CTs wired to that Zappi, the CT wired to terminal 1 needs to be on the phase connected to terminal L1. It took me a while and some bizarre phase current readings (displayed somewhere in the menus) to get to the bottom of that.

@Hammy135 3 года назад

Interesting. So with a reverse phase rotation the current draw calculation will be incorrect?

@NickW1111 3 года назад

@@Hammy135 Not sure what effect it would have on a stand alone Zappi. Where you have multiple zappis with CTs wired into one of them, the phase rotation direction will have to be the same and the L1 phase set.

@Hammy135 3 года назад

@@NickW1111 I’m not too clued up on this subject. So I’m guessing this setup has its own individual cts going back to incoming supply using the ev ultra swa? What would be the alternative with multiple zappis that you’re referring to? One zappi with a ct communicating with another zappi?

@NickW1111 3 года назад

@@Hammy135 you set one Myenergi device (Zappi or Eddi) as master for the installation, then pair the other devices and they exchange information including power usage on connected CTs. They manage their demand together to use surplus solar or stay within the grid limit. I'm not sure what Jordan did but each Zappi only has 3 terminals for CTs so he may have wired the grid ones to one Zappi and the generation CTs to the other.

@TheOmegaRiddler 2 года назад

Steve the Quadriplegic has been chosen for Gymnastics, He must report for training or face jail time. I think Cory's idea needs some work.

@BRED510 3 года назад

Definitely want to see the vid of the facility. Show all the EV naysayers who think EV batteries can't/won't be recycled.

@acelectricalsecurity 3 года назад

Unlike other batteries, lithium batteries are expensive and difficult to recycle, estimates are around 5% where some of the other batteries are over 90% can be recycled, so those people who say lithium batteries go to landfill could be right.

@LawnPotato 3 года назад

I've never tried an armourslice, but a junior hacksaw takes too long. I just use a knife and side cutters, maybe not as neat, but heaps easier. I tried with my busted old set of flush cutters, did pretty well at levelling out single strands, especially seeing as it had chunks out of the blade already. Todays top tip, don't lend your tools to anyone, especially your mates, but if you do, make sure you actually hand them the right tool, my mate asked me if he could use my cutters, I said sure go for it, assuming he would grab my side cutters, instead he grabbed flush cutters, unfortunately he was cutting steel wire rope.

@markwilliams4274 3 года назад

Galvanic corrosion???. Shroud not boot.

@edknight1982 3 года назад

Nice install i would put a couple of posts in to protect the charge points can totally see someone drive into those.

@ianb6266 3 года назад

That string going through the cable can be used to cut the sheath. If made out of nylon or the like. Its not just a filler is it! As used in Telecom or BT wire........

@Byron88 2 года назад

I feel bad for you guys that you don't have tek cable, literally takes 1/5th the time to prep a termination than that SWA cable

@roymorton8142 3 года назад

Is that commando socket the right set up for feeding power back into that board, surly the pins in the plug would be live if you plugged it out?

@sirronnitram8937 3 года назад

There was a time if you cheeked the boss youd get 240v swiped across the back of your hand.

@BenQuigley 3 года назад

Definitely give us a recycling video. Make it so good I can shove it up the 'EVs can't be repaired or recycled' gangs arses

@Jakee3_ 3 года назад

Monster sponsor Lewis Hamilton not Redbull Corey 🤦🏼‍♂️

@DavesSpace 3 года назад

Some people said the phases were correctly rotated desipted what he said at 26:55. However if you look at 26:13 you can see it wired left to right as (L3 L1 L2 N E). The manual shows the wiring from left to right as (L3 L2 L1 N E). So he did in fact swap L1 and L2 and the phase rotation has been reversed! So indeed if any phase sensetive elements are introduced in future cars, the rotation will be wrong

@gibsonmb1 3 года назад

Do you have wired LAN or MODBUS control connections to the Zappi as well?

@richardofrugeley 3 года назад

Would like to see what a battery recycling plant does.

@kw1984 3 года назад

Recycles batteries

@AndyK.1 3 года назад

Rouben is being taught about swa at last! 😎

@Malandrin 3 года назад

what is the reason of having so much slack inside the zappi? apart from having a bit of spare just in case what ever happens 🤔🤔

@aaronmdjones 3 года назад

@@voltare2amstereo EVs won't let you drive with the charging plug connected. Though, yeah, I guess you could push it.

@andreaastolfi1234 3 года назад

You can exchange the phases order, even if the load contain an electric motor... The secret is to translate all the three phase wires.

@andynotelling5267 2 года назад

am impressed you manged to charge the tesla with the dischging of the old batteries without pluging in the charger

@mylesl2890 3 года назад

thats prob not packing string, it's string to strip the plastic sheath

@edwyncorteen1527 3 года назад

works video, yes please, I will share with all those who say EV batteries all go to landfill!

@k1lmo 3 года назад

Corey is a fellow St Evenage resident 👍 good lad

@IanFarquharson2 3 года назад

Same vitamins in a marmite sandwich without the nasty rage drink.

@tonynewton7902 3 года назад

I was using a pipe cutter 20 years ago but having to buy a new one every week back then when you couldn’t get a spare wheel. The ck amour slice is great if you know how to use it properly.

@MarcusvanRest 3 года назад

What cameras do you guys use to film these videos?

@smakarl0 2 года назад

What you call a shroud, we call a boot because it provides a moisture seal.

@mikeselectricstuff 3 года назад

"Rare earths inside" - what would those be then?

@mattmanslim 3 года назад

Less critique, more enjoyment, Mike.

@sionpritchard2060 3 года назад

Sorry to burst your bubble Corey monster sponsor Hamilton not Red bull 😁😂

@aaronmdjones 3 года назад

Jordan, I highly recommend you go back to that other charger and make it L2,L3,L1. Keep the phases in order.

@ianwarren 2 года назад

Yes please the video on recycling lithium batteries 👍

@ChrisSibley. 3 года назад

I was a big fan of Artisan Electrics until Cory's remark about Lewis Hamilton being sponsored by RedBull, now I'm just a triggered F1 fanboy! 😒

@paulmilsom1346 3 года назад

Peoples Olympics??.........straight from having a pint in the pub to javelin throwing......brilliant 🤯🤣🤣🤣

@Marri-Tech 3 года назад

That commando socket looks like a femail, does that not mean the male plug from the discharge unit has the potential for touch contact with live pins?

@Lineandsinker87 3 года назад

The first half inch or so has no live contact , it’s literally the very last bit of the internal that’s live. At least that’s how I understand it anyway I’ve never had one entirely stripped but I believe it’s like a spring contact.

@Marri-Tech 3 года назад

@@Lineandsinker87 No, in this case that commando plug is used to feed into the network. So the power is coming through the commando male plug into the commando socket on the wall. The commando plug has exposed contacts because normally you would have supply at the socket on the wall and the appliance your plugging in is not powered. Obviously in this case it's reserved

@Lineandsinker87 3 года назад

@@Marri-Tech ah yes I see that now lol I was looking in reverse but that makes so much more sense 😂

@UCCLdIk6R5ECGtaGm7oqO-TQ 3 года назад

Unlikely. It'll probably be an inverter that will not connect power through to the grid until having synchronised with it. It'll also disconnect immediately on a loss-of-mains condition, vector shift, rate-of-change-of-frequency, under/over voltage/frequency condition, etc.

@Marri-Tech 3 года назад

@@UCCLdIk6R5ECGtaGm7oqO-TQ I thought this too but not sure how it would get a reference for that

@no_more_free_nicks 2 года назад

Don't play the old man card, or don't enter the competition.

@entertainmentbydjt 3 года назад

Just curious, surely it’s dangerous to have the male ceeform connector on the battery discharge unit as someone could get a shock from the pins if that’s what’s providing power?

@acelectricalsecurity 3 года назад

You would think

@HenryLoenwind 2 года назад

Not really. The inverter in the battery discharger is a line follower, so without a sine wave from the grid it won't be able to do anything.

@billsbasementworkshop1902 3 года назад

Hi Jodan, What as happened to Oscar?

@williamdawson6351 3 года назад

An tool could pay for it self in product jobs where you get paid by the job.

@ratgreen 3 года назад

Great video. As an 18650 nerd and DIY powerwall builder I'd love to see how they process those cells.

@kinross24 3 года назад

I’m assuming they discharge the DC batteries via a DC-AC inverter which incurs some losses, then via the Commando socket to the board?

@artisanelectrics 3 года назад

Yes that’s right

@mathman0101 3 года назад

Would be interesting to see the losses and whether the recovery is a significant part of the deep discharge.

@Whirlynerds 3 года назад

Cory's Olympics idea is genius! 😂 I'd watch it for sure.

@AfifAhmad 3 года назад

You guys should enter the ESPN Electricians' Championship!

@malcolmone1 3 года назад

Reuben's got management possibilities arms folded ,while watching the workers ,especially the boss lol ,why does that white cover on the charging point pillar ,not go all the way to the charger ,that is a poor design ,rain water getting in ,(running around charger and dripping down) or even small animals

@lgb369ify 3 года назад

What are the work trousers

@steveb1856 3 года назад

Wrong sponsor Corey. Hamilton drives for Mercedes arch rivals of the Red Bull Team whose drivers are Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez.

@no_more_free_nicks 2 года назад

Awesome video, greeting from Cracov.

@ass90 3 года назад

Well jordan just taught me a faster way to pull off armoured.

@Geeraffe 3 года назад

fact of the day - DHL in Malaysia stands for "Dua Hari Lewat" which literally means two days past / late . Never a truer word said .They are shite.

@jamesvdv0 3 года назад

This is a revelation! All my ICE driving friends are convinced that Li-ion batteries all end up in landfill 😉

@acelectricalsecurity 3 года назад

I know Tesla batteries are difficult to recycle, but then again what would you expect from them. It looked like they were packing the cells to be shipped, so I am not sure if they actually extract the materials, or they just dismantle the battery pack, then off to China for recycling.

@joechester7528 3 года назад

The batteries we pack in the crate go for second life they will be used for power storage

@gibsonmb1 3 года назад

I hate doing IP66 armoured glands

@richardspeed8409 3 года назад

didn't close blade on knife just dropped on floor

@johnfenlon458 3 года назад

Great team work!! Thumbs up! Cheers!

@rattlehead85 3 года назад

Lol let’s change the game and have a pyrotenax cable make off race...now that would be interesting especially if supplied with only side cutters and no joistripper tool. 😂😂😂 Great Video Guys 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@acelectricalsecurity 3 года назад

Or a metal bar, which is what I used to use. 😂

@Jimages_uk 3 года назад

I would love to see the process for recycling batteries, although it is a shame they can't be used in a second life role like home storage before eventually being recycled.

@thetruth6693 3 года назад

What trousers are those Jordan matey?

@acelectricalsecurity 3 года назад

I thought they looked like the ones I have just got from Amazon, Wright fits pro trousers, but I could be wrong

@richardspeed8409 3 года назад

no locking washers on bolts ?

@stuartjohnston1086 3 года назад

Was just thinking the same. Nyloc nuts or locking washers on the pedestal bolts.

@MichaelNolanUK 3 года назад

Definitely a video showing the process of recycled batteries - anything to counter the FUD going around about how they all end up in landfill after a few years!