Ady yes it is! Its almost summer again so the wind will soon be upwards of 30 kts for another crack at that 16.5 record we're trying to break. Stay tuned!
I love watching this video, cheers boys. The fresh breeze coming off the causeway it looks exhilarating. The boat comes alive, she is eating the waves!
On that second run the kite was just SCREAMING, "TWING, TWING!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL YOU HOLD DEAR PUT ON SOME RASS TWING!!!!" lol Awesome stuff guys!
Trying to learn what to do in this situation (been there and it is not so nice). At 14:01 ease the boom vang and the afterguy, so you can go from beam reaching to broad reaching? then at 15:03 again the same and then MOB. At this very point, release also spi haylard and recover the spi from the spinnaker sheet? Am I correct? thanks!!!!!
Hi Jorge. If you want to come up to a beam reach from a broad reach then you would ease the pole forward and bring the pole back if going from a beam to broad reach. The vang is the throttle off the wind and is used to adjust how much the sail twists away. In a broach, it is the first thing to go for as it depowers the main quickly. If you broach and do not ease off the vang, your boom will stay buried in the water and the boat will stay pinned on her side. If the spinnaker gets wrapped at the top, it is easier, and safer to drop it when the boat is on her side. Take out the stopper knot (unlike us) so it runs clear and let it go on the guy. once it blows away from the boat, quickly drop the halyard and recover using the sheet. if you drop the halyard first, we have found that you run the risk of sailing over it causing an even bigger nightmare. I hope this helps and I answered your question correctly! Thanks for watching! Sail fast.
oceannesailor yes it did much to my surprise! Only lost a batten which we replaced. In fact its the same set of Quantums we used up to last weekend trying to crack the 16.5 kts. Looks like we need 30++ knots of wind. Its easier to control now that we use a downhaul (foreguy) and whale on it to keep that pole down. Also installed a 2:1 purchase for the spin sheet. Thx for watching.
You're crazy if you think I was going to use our gorgeous new Haarsticks for that!!!! Those are 6 years old. Well...... we may have put on 6 more on that day alone.
omg there you are! yes it is. I bought it soon after it arrived here and did a complete overhaul. 18.5????? you need to come back to jamaica so we can talk about that! Nice to finally link you.
+J22-Geronimo So rad, it looks in much better condition than I sold it in, but it was pretty beat up then. Great job with the overhaul! :) Would LOVE to come back, had such a good time there. Glad to see you guys are super stoked on it and sailing hard, charge!
+C. Frangos Thank you! You should give it a try one day if your boat is a J22. You will never look at it the same way again:-) I promise. Thanks for watching.
+J22-Geronimo My team races J/22 One Design every week during the season. I've done 20+ knots sustained, 35+ knot gusts. Without spin, downwind isn't so bad. It's the beating that's brutal!
+C. Frangos I agree totally. Really tough boats I have been so battered by the traveller in those winds that I sail with shin guards now when we are going for the record. I don't heal like I used to :-l
You boys were ripping! When I saw him holding the garmin/device while heeling and at speed I said, what's he got that out for? Put that away! Then realized he was tracking your speed. Ok, I'm the idiot. Then it goes overboard. Maybe not an idiot.
SV SareBear yes indeed. We are disappointed that the wind this summer hasn't giving us a chance to break the 16.5 record we set on that run but there's still hope.
Hi. Yes our for deck (forward crewman) is usually the one to blow the halyard however my middle man had to do it this time as we both got thrown from the boat.
Eric.... It takes it and then some. You cannot go wrong with a J22. Once you maintain it she will not break. Trust me, we have tried. Good luck to you.
Crazy ride! Fun to watch and nice recovery and nice choice of beer. Can't believe the kite was intact. Only suggestion, PFD's. Did you get 16.6? Sail hard!
Thanks Michael! PFD is a good idea. Haven't passed 16.5 yet. The only thing that didn't survive was my GPS that was clearly thrown overboard intentionally!:-). Thanks for watching.
Hi! At 13:30 I called for the vang to be let off. This de-powers the main and allowed me to regain control. If you go over (broach) you will need to release the vang first for the boat to come back up. You'll see it did not come off the second time around and we stayed on our side until it was released. (The vang attaches to the boom and mast and pulls the boom down) Thanks for watching!
hi Auther....yes we were very careless and used the invisible ones. on these speed runs which will start again at the end of this month, we have agreed that we need to use the visible ones as it is potentially very dangerous in the 35+ kts. To the children watching......what we did was foolish and we were lucky. we won't do it again without our life jackets. thanks for watching!
+tincoffin Thanks for watching! The twing is what is used to hold the pole down on one side and to adjust the line angle to the spinnaker on the other. at 1:54 you will see me lean over and ease a line off. That was the leeward twing that was on holding the spinnaker line low and out of the way of the boom. When I eased it, the spinnaker sheet then raised up and touched the boom which prevented me from easing it out when the gusts hit.
I have my reservations abut the accuracy of the speed of the boat. The J 22 is a displacement keel boat, it does not plane and at 1750 lbs plus thee adults and gear etc 2,700 lbs if remains a displacement boat.. I believe they may have been surging, at times giving them increase in speed but not a substantiated speed and not at 23 knots ever..
Hi. We did 16.5kts sustained over whatever period it took to register the max speed. No one claimed 23kts. We are confident that we can push to 17. Thank you for your criticism and I will invite you to fly a spinnaker in 35 kts of wind on slightly closer than a broad reach....then let's talk about what a J22 can and can't do. Thanks for watching.
@@fireman19681 I would have liked to invited you to sail a R boat in a race on Lake Erie in heavy weather. 40 feet long, 6.5 feet beam, full keel 6.2 depth, 22 foot boom, 50 ft mast, 17,000 lbs, running back stays, 17 inches of free board, open cockpit and 864 square feet, partial rig, number one genny is 22 feet at the foot, in water temp at 50 degrees and 3 to 5 foot waves, both manual and electric pump running and people bailing to keep her afloat due to the water coming over the front and side cockpit combing. We when out with a NW wind so strong we could jibe the boat we had to tack her, no we didn't start we sailed he back to the dock 3/4 mile up a river, no motor. Oh, we did have a chute but never flew it a 35 knots nor did you, however on a Santana 30 I flew one through a thunder squall until it blew out. . You would pitch pole the boat after the first wave you surged down and lint to tough unless your in protected waters regards she would broach . When I turned 73, I retired because helming the Rboat was brutal. Now you have a good day and keep racing.
@@fixento Sir, I take my hat off to you. 40 foot length with a beam of 6.5 feet @ 17,000 pounds sounds to me like either a lead pencil or a submarine with a mast. Either way your experience and probable skillset far surpasses mine. The J\22 is nothing like what you have sailed and where as 16.5 kts of boat speed is a joke by today's standards, it's a pretty exciting ride for us which we have tried to beat without success for a few years now. Believe it or not.....not enough wind. The beginning of the video shows the 6 mile protected harbour we sail in, which means it's shear wind driven power without waves to assist in surfing, and a lower likelihood of blowing the sail and even lower for pitch poling. So the facts are...28-30 kts gusting to 35 in flat water, The boat is 22 ft with a beam of 8 feet and weighs only 1,800 pounds. Will can and will break the 17 kt mark. Keep watching as we are still a few years away from retirement and hoping this summer will bring another opportunity. If we do, you can bet I'm uploading loading it for your comments and we'll be open to even a congratulatory thumbs up! :-) Even though you retired the helm of that beast I hope you still manage to get out on the water. Merry Christmas and happy new year.
@@stevencooke444 Don't take you hat off to me, you are doing just great. You must have the J boat on a plane for those speeds. It also sounds like a hell of a lot of fun. It would be great with protected water for an R but we sail on the open water of the lake. Yep, Rs are wet boats, however, two made out of wood in the fleet were built in the 1920s and still race so they are sturdy boats. The fleet did lose a Rboat about 30 years ago in a thunderstorm at night beating upwind to the islands from Rocky River when the wind did a fifty degree shift and the crew couldn't release the running back-stay quick enough. Set on her on her beam, she filled up with water over the combing and sank in 10 seconds. Luckily another R saw a flash light, crew was in life vests, and pick the crew up. The boat, wallets and a Rollex watch still has not been found. The best spreed our R on a reach was 8.7 knots with a strong south/offshore wind on smooth water, 7.3 on a beat and 13 with a chute surging off 6 - 8 foot waves. I still sail a 1958 Flying Scot [Bonny Lass] that I restored on inland lake. She gets up on a plane being a board boat but it not the same as being on open water. Anyway, I'll keep up with y'all. Retire from sailing, never, because that with a regular dose of rust proofing called Scotch, you will live forever. Happy New Year!
@@fixento she popped up on a plane the second the kite filled. The acceleration is crazy. At those speeds I sail it like a dinghy. I sailed a 470 before the J22 and in similar conditions and spent a lot of time swimming in between insane unrecorded speeds. We would have to swim back to the boat after getting catapulted in a capsize. Recently went down memory lane using a laser but nowhere as fast. I will admit though, I do have a limit, and I think our "Crazy J\22 Sailing In Jamaica" will be limited to speed records with horsepower only in flat water on the plane. The thought of doing a summersault (pitch pole) in the open sea and losing the mast just does not appeal to me at all. :-) Happy New Year!
When you were close hauled or on what looked like a close reach, lots of wind, the mains'l was mostly depowered. Run the traveler to the lee. If the traveler can run far enough to the lee,, it begins to act like the boom vang,,, but with a direct control of the leach. You may well want to leave the sail mostly depowered in a hard blow, but with the traveler off to the lee,, you can begin powering,, possibly pointing higher. As you haul on the mainsheet you will move the depowered luff smaller and smaller and add more and more power. Leave the traveler on the centerline and you cannot power the leach of the mains'l without also trying for a knockdown. The goal is maximum power, with acceptable heel and stability annnnd a balance, fore and aft, of the center of effort, so you do not need the rudder. The fastest speed will also be the least rudder. I am also a very lazy sailor,, I reef early. In 30 knots I go faster if I have a double reef in the main and a Yankee type blade on the forestay. I don't have to depower then,,, depowered sail area is just more drag,,, And I get less heel, better stability. The next time in a good stiff, run mark to mark and note the time. Then set the reef or double reef in the main and put something small on the forestay. Yankees are not common,, but maybe someone has a 'something', storm jib,, foresail off a smaller boat.. Effort down7/8 or 3/4 and 40 to 60 percent of fore triangle. and then trim to your hearts content,,, leave the tiny wrinkle at the mast or forestay,, and then trim the ribbons so they flow straight back no wiggle, and the yarns flicking up.. Balanced center of effort so you don't have to scrub the tiller,,and.. You will fly. I will also say,, I could be quite wrong,,,,I am often,, every boat is different,, tricks learned on one, may work wonderfully on the next, or not. My current I am still learning,,3 years,, a one off Ron Holland all aluminum 36'. I think it has too much mast,,, and too bendy,,, but the cost of an all new rig,,, I shudder in horror.
Sailor376also ahh. I get you. thank you and yes you are right. however here's the thing...in a J22 I have found vang sheeting the main works better for me with my aggressive style. Also down wind we were on a broad reach and occasionally a little higher in the gusts. I had no idea the main was so delivered until I saw the video. what I should have done was crack the vang off more and sheeted in the main more. All in all, when your adrenaline is pumping you miss a lot of text book stuff. Our goal is to break the 16.5 kts this summer. That won't be done with a smaller sail or a double reef. I need more vang, more mainsheet, quicker reflexes for the gusts, bigger balls, and remember to keep the darn Lee towing down so I can ease the main when the puff hits. I'll try to remember your advise on the traveller as well. Stay tuned and keep in touch!
I hear you,,, you are well on your way. But I will still say,,, try less sail. I think you will be amazed. I do not know J22's,, but,, If you can find a blade for heavy days. Especially in a force 5 or 6. Any sail that is depowered,,, and yes, you are running, reaching, and close hauled for the three sides of a course,, different needs,,, but for you own education,, Find a Yankee, a forestay blade,, because in a blow,, the ONLY piece of sail that is working for a living is the leading edge.. The rest is just drag. Same with the main. It DOES depend upon how much wind you are processing. But the error in your reply is, "That won't be done by a smaller sail." I am here to tell you,,, laughing,, this is not out of a text book,, I learned the hard way. Yes, there are many times a small sail will drive you faster. I 'monitored the Port Huron to Mackinaw race,, 15,,, 18 years ago. I left right with the fleet, crossed the line 10 seconds after the gun on the windward side of the party boat. I had a 'hot date' with me,,, more interested in less noble pursuits. Really light airs that day, hot and fluffy. I put up a hanked on working jib,,, about 106 or 110 %,, but really clean and new. I did not even take the cover off the main, and I set the autopilot. The fleet used every trick in the book,,, big genoas, spinnakers, twin head sails,, you name it,, I saw it done. I had only the working jib, no main at all. I spent the entire day with them, same spot,, about mid fleet plus a bit,,, but at sunset,, I knew of a bar about 10 miles off our starboard side, Beer and chili,, and a date. I sailed right through the middle of the fleet, being careful to not blanket anyone,, crossing far enough foreward and/or close enough astern that I offended no one,, I knew a few of the sailors,, did not want to cause anyone grief,,, they would kick my behind next week when they got home if I did. I sailed the entire day about 12 hours with just the working jib, and the autopilot,,, and was even or ahead of 65% of the fleet. Aggressive is how fast can you reef, or shake out a reef,,, or swap out a head sail. Any piece of the sail that is depowered, is drag and slowing you down. And the right sized Yankee is a wonderful thing on a heavy day,,, it is only the front 25% of the sail that is driving you,,, so only use the front 25% of the sail. Anything depowered is drag and slowing you down....... sometimes you NEED a bit of depowering or drag For steering. Just work,, practice,,, tie off the tiller stone amidship. I think this will work on your J22,, what little i know of it. Learn to steer,, even auto-tend with the trim of your sails. On my boats,, that sweet spot is usually with the foresail,, geny or jib,, trimmed absolutely tits,,perfect, flawless,, sorry,, can I say that here? The main,, trim it as perfectly as you can,, the twist you like, the ribbons flowing straight out... NOW let the mainsheet out a bit until you have just a bit of ripple right behind the mast. That bit of easing of the mainsail moves the center of effort forward,, and the tiller may be able, to tie it amidship. A puff will draw the head up (weather helm) but that REALLY costs the already eased main,, the head will drift right back down on course.. If you go too far alee,, the main becomes the best trimmed sail,, and forces the bow back to weather. If you find the sweet spot for your boat,, you can actually steer by sliding you butt fore or aft on the cockpit seat. IF you can find this sweet spot, where you can sail without the tiller,, remember it,, what you did,, what works,,, because on race day,, on a course,, nothing,,, nothing slows a boat more than the tiller. Learn to sail using an inch or two only near midship. Find some flat water in the lee of the spit,,beam reach,, 25 knots plus or minus,, use little or no tiller,,, size the sails for the day,, so you don't have to depower anything,, keep her as flat on her bottom as possible,,shift your crew a bit aft, and you will break 20 knots. You will fly.
Sailor376also totally agree. unfortunately the J22 is a one design class boat so it's all or nothing. mine is a 1984 hull that sailed its way to Jamaica from California via Florida. yeah crazy I know.
