Update: xTool has added a new feature to the S1 that allows you to take a picture with your phone to make positioning of your designs easier when doing batch production.
Man , yall are so lucky to get these review units, they will not send me anything. Ive at this point had to buy the K1 Max, Ender 3 V3 KE , but i still review them but am not large enough yet to get creality to send me one. Some day. I want to get into the laser side of the 3d printing hobby/maker. Congrats. I am a fan of Creality.
Thanks for watching. It will come with time and consistency. Review units are great and all but they come with strings attached. These videos are a lot of work to reproduce. Nothing is truly “free”.
@@ygk3d oh I agree. Artillery sent me a Sidewinder X3PLUS and require a minimum of 20 videos. So it's a solid printer. Great for a beginner. Easy first printer
The only downside to expensive thing is price. LOL. bought the xtool one for my leather business last Nov. and i love it so much. Some advice from my experience: if you're buying a laser machine for your business, a few hundred bucks is really not a thing. Think about it: if you aim to save few hundred dollars and end up with a poor machine, it will cause more trouble in the long run.
Started with D1, upgraded to S1 via their Trade-in prog. One crucial point missed: THE SOFTWARE. Not a fan of COMPLEX software like Lightburn, so xTool's software has been incredibly helpful. Learning to use the S1, considering another F1 in the future.
Upgrading from my D1 to the S1, I never thought the camera would be crucial, but autofocus really saves time. I've watched numerous Falcon review videos, and noticed a recurring issue. Initially, I thought it was an isolated case, but it seems to occur in every video - the Falcon's camera isn't precise. At 5:05, the design is clearly centered, but after engraving at 5:09, the design is not in the same position!
@@mikkelkirketerp4884 I think @zouzou9948 is right... look at the top right heart. In the software there's a noticeable gap between it and the edge. In the finished product there's barely any gap at all if any.
Nice. I just recently bought a 20W open frame Elegoo laser engraver, and I really like it, as my first ever laser cutter.engraver. (it was waaaaaaay cheaper!) but the Creality looks good and I am jealous of the 40w laser.
Thank you for making this video! After much deliberation on which machine to go with, I went with the S1. Its conveyor feature was the reason, as it seems only the S1 supports a conveyor system(couldn't afford the P2). Another reason for my decision was XCS. Thanks to another influencer, Buster Beagle 3D, for the tutorial, which explained how to use the S1 every step of the way very effectively.
im generally into engineering, just started out with 3d printing and i am absolutely looking forward to lasercutters and also CNC machines... Thank you for showing the new creality laser cutter/engraver -really awesome machine
I'm curious as to why you are using my content in your video and not getting permission or at least linking my channel in your bio to give credit to the folks that you stole the footage from. Starting at 7:36 it is clearly the footage from my recent overview of the xTool Riser and rotary. I don't recall anyone from your channel contacting me to ask if this was okay. The faint credit that you did give is barely visible in the lower left corner of the clips and I have to wonder if the other creators are aware that you are using their footage. Making monetization income from other people's content is a pretty clear copyright violation and also a violation of RU-vid standards. Sounds like a report has to be submitted about your content.
Hey! Yes, you’re right, I used a short clip from one of your videos. The source is indicated in the lower left corner. I’m using this in the context of industry commentary so it’s covered under fair use, which doesn’t require explicit permission. In an ideal world explicit permission would be sought and granted, but this would be prohibitive since emails often go unanswered. I’ll plan on making the attribution text more prominent in future videos. I’ll also add a link to your channel in the description. Thanks for the feedback.
@@ygk3d Hmmmmm in an Ideal world..... Well, you've just pointed out a problem you've made which wouldn't have happened had you just contacted the other creators and posted the channels and made the credits clearer...... What comes across here is just out right laziness to reach out, and then put the credits so small and relatively transparent as to hope no one notices.... And not to mention not posting any of the "credited creators" channels in your description or bio..... How do you explain the lack of credits in the one place where it would be most prominent and most likely to be searched for?
@@NonStick872 To reach out to each creator individually, while more ideal, would be prohibitive and is not required under the guidelines for fair use. Not adding the channel links to the description is an oversight on my part. I will correct that. For your reference, I’ll quote a few paragraphs from the definition of fair use for you: “Fair use is a doctrine in United States law that permits limited use of copyrighted material without having to first acquire permission from the copyright holder. Fair use is one of the limitations to copyright intended to balance the interests of copyright holders with the public interest in the wider distribution and use of creative works by allowing as a defense to copyright infringement claims certain limited uses that might otherwise be considered infringement.” “The fair use right is a general exception that applies to all different kinds of uses with all types of works. In the U.S., fair use right/exception is based on a flexible proportionality test, that examines the purpose of the use, the amount used, and the impact on the market of the original work.” Given that I am using a very short clip for the purposes of commentary on a topic I don’t see this being an issue. If anyone expresses that they don’t want me to use any portion of their content as reference material I will respect that. I choose to use clips from other creators only when I don’t have supporting footage for a topic. I do this in place of a clip of me staring at the camera. I feel this is a mutual benefit to the viewer and the creator whose content is featured. The viewer gets a more entertaining video and the creator gets more exposure. If a viewer’s interest is piqued by a clip that is featured they can visit that creator’s channel directly.
Great review. One thing you forgot to mention about the Falcon2 Pro is the laser head capability to switch from 40 watt for cutting to 22 watt for engraving (or 20 depending on your source). This is why I am going with the Falcon2 Pro.
I'd still choose the s1 over the falcon. Your paying for quality. Not only that their software is highly designed also. So it would of been nice to see both of their sofewares in action also.
@@boitmecklyn4995Not a big problem if you're not going to cut clear/translucent acrylic regularly. Just find a local Maker Space that has a CO2 laser or if you're in the USA, check if a local library has a Glowforge and cut it there. I wouldn't bother but if you're determined, you could diy a top like that, you can find examples on yt.
Such a shame that diode lasers cant handle acrylic well. I started of with a small k40 C02 laser and would love a bigger work area but I really cant give up the ability to cut clear/colored acrylic. The price of larger C02 lasers is still really high, if only diode lasers worked well with acrylic I'd absolutely buy one.
For sure. The ability to cut clear acrylic is a big reason to get a CO2 laser instead of a diode laser. Power used to be a differentiating factor as well but modern diode lasers are comparable to CO2 now in that regard.
I would say that the S1 is the much better value between the two lasers. Sure.. it costs more, but it can do more straight out of the box- which translates to a much quicker ROI. And the build quality appears to be much, much better than the Creality
I have a Vevor 50W CO2 laser. It has no settings for curved surfaces. Still there is no problem to engrave curved sufraces like that ladle. So my guess is that Crealitys laser also can do that.
You're comparing apples and oranges. In comparison to CO2 lasers, diode laser have very limited depth of focus so quality suffers visibly at only a few mm away from where focus is set. The S1 has a motorised Z axis so it adjusts distance as it works, keeping a curved surface in focus. The Falcon doesn't have motorised Z axis so it can't do it.
I've had a 20w diode laser for a minute, though I'm pretty sure I destroyed the diode itself as it doesn't engrave or cut as well as it used to. That being said, it'd be nice to see how this stacks up to comparatively priced Co2 options. I really want to get into Co2 lasers because my diode just isn't really doing what I want it to do but I dont really know where to start thats more plug and play.
Most likely you didn't destroy the diode itself, just the lens cover - it gets covered with muck as you use the laser which damages it and causes loss off power. This part is considered a consumable, you're supposed to clean it as often as necessary and replace when it eventually gets damaged.
@@xXcagllariXx You shouldn't be touching the actual lens inside the module, only the lens cover at the bottom of the module. If you replaced the lens, it's quite likely it's not aligned well and not focusing correctly. Diode lasers have a very small depth of focus and quality suffers at a mm+ away. Run a ramp test to see focus distance.
@@ElieAnquetil CO2. Much larger and much heavier than diode lasers, also more powerful. If you're thinking about getting an xtool laser, have a look at the P2.
Creality doesn't make good hardware. They take good ideas and figure out the cheapest way to make it, which creates poor quality. I've had dozens of printers and not one creality was actually ready to go as it came from the factory. Creality is for the ultra tight budget, and beginner market. They are constantly putting out new machines without ever actually getting a single model done that's reliable.
I started with a Creality. Now I have a Bambu. My prints are done the first time and I move onto the next project. Most of the Creality community is printing mods to make their printers semi-usable. Don't get me wrong, Creality is a great starting point for learning the processes, but the low cost is not justification for spending hundreds of hours printing mods not to mention the lost filament due to failed prints. In fact, my Bambu spends much of the time idle, because I finish my project quickly and efficiently and sits until I'm ready for my next project.
i wish i got a more powerful laser now. i got the kentoktool le400 pro. it's only a 5.5w laser. which is fine for some things. but upping to a 20W would be great
but wheres the quality comparison?! Like I specifically got the xtool now, because all my previous ones had terrible alignment, once they went above 5watt. xtool 20watt is more precise (thin laser point) than any other brand Ive had so far.
Great comparison. I’ve been looking for the xtool s1 but felt it was way to expensive, didn’t know that the falcon2pro is that close! Looking forward to testing it on my channel soon (the 22w version). Greets from Austria, Mario
Interesting and comprehensive. However, my major concern is a missing filter for the exhaust. Depending on the material, the exhaust gas may contain some pretty harmful chemicals (e.g., Dioxins, PAHs, or heavy metals, to name just a few). These should not be allowed to just vent into the room, and actually, should neither be vented to the environment anyway. A cheap active carbon filter should easily be able to retain all of the harmful chemicals. But that doesn't seem to be included. On a side note: I think you should change the title of your video. Otherwise people may not be able to find it when looking for cutting and engraving tools.
Given that once every few years things can go wrong with any tool (still remember that Dremel with a 1mm drill that slipped straight into my finger), wouldn't keep this thing anywhere near someone's house, cats, or children.
Hi, thank you for the great informative video. I'ld like to ask, is it possible to use this laser machine to precisely cut carbon fiber or prepreg before laminating. I need to cut a carbon fiber sheet into a specific shape before placing it into the mold for epoxy hardening. Please, let me know if you ever tried it 🙂 Thanks
I would assume it's not possible. Carbon has an extremely high melting point generally, diamond for example melts >3000º so I imagine a laser would fail to melt and vaporise CF. Even if it could, the heat could damage the resin if it were prepreg.
I used to work at Full Spectrum Laser and left right around the time XTool was making their big marketing push into lasers. It’s wild seeing how cheap lasers have gotten in just 2 years. Also, stay far FAR away from anything FSL even touches.
These machines can be useful if you work within their limitations. Diode laser machines cannot engrave transparent materials and may not be powerful enough for certain materials. They're also slow. If you need a fast machine which can etch glass and thick stuff, you should spend a bit more and get a CO2 laser machine instead.
very helpful video...I have been using a cooperative laser and have been thinking of getting my own.. Can a any of these models cut through thin sheets of metal?
I've found Creality's customer service to be lacking. You send an email and a responce comes a few days later, that usually prompts more questions and emails. Can you make any comparisons on the two companys' customer service? A knowledgeable tech on the other end of a phone call adds a lot of value whenn something has gone amiss!
I started using the laser with the k forty which is a forty watt and in an enclosure.... And it's a quarter of the price of creality. And believe me, I'm a creality fan.I have four of their printers but this is not an accurate comparison compared to what's out there
I got one, it’s refused to work from Day one, updated firmware, cleaned everything, rebuilt everything, checked every cable, uninstalled and re-installed it on lightburn. Still creality are refusing to take it back, even their online CS said it was too complicated for them. Pile of junk.
i got a $130 daja laser engraver, then got a creality halot one for $100 on walmart mislabeled as "cacagoo" lol then i got a sunlu s8 pro then some ender3s finally bambu a1 and still havent finished assembling my prusa mk4 but know it will be good but i also gota cheap $160 walmart cnc, and havent asenmbled that either lol but now i realize i want a laser cutter to do metal. but i will want to use my cnc to do aluminum i think. in tehe nd ima wanna go back to 3d printing i think with just new materials. what else do i need to get?
I basically see no point of diode ones at this point... K40 is CO2 and is about 500usd While it lacks a lot of the advanced features, it beats these in basically everything I wish these were at least 40w CO2, then it would make sense at this price...
It's interesting that Creality is getting into this world, but it doesn't excite me. I've had 2 Creality printers. The Falcon 2 will be just like the creality printers; it'll work about 65%-75% of what's advertised for a few months. Then every component will start to break and you'll be riding the 'upgrade train' (read 'keep-fixing-crap train) to the point that nothing on the machine will be Creality and you'll wish you'd have just spent the money for the better machine in the first place.
I had a couple people reach out to me out this video. It was mentioned that my footage was used. Typically when you use another creator's footage, you seek permission first. At the bare minimum use a lower 3rd that actually stands out, calling out the creator in the voice over, and properly tagging them and the video in the description. Unfortunately this has been on ongoing trend with 3D Printers and Laser lately. All it will take is that one that one creator to strike your channel. I am not the person to strike a channel, I am only giving you some advise for future content. Many thanks Tripod!
Hey Tripod. It’s pretty common practice to use clips from other videos with acknowledgment in the form of on screen text only (e.g. a lower third). It would be prohibitive to seek permission for every clip used in this context. But I hear you on adding links to the videos in the description. That’s a good suggestion. Hopefully you’ll get some traffic to your channel from those that want to learn more about the conveyer feeder.
@@ygk3d - As you mentioned, and I mentioned that it has been common practice as of late. However, does that make it right? No it doesn’t! If you really want to use another person’s content, then you should seek permission first. I received several DM’s about this video, some said that I wasn’t even mentioned. I reviewed the video and corrected them. I said that there was credit, but barely noticeable with a translucent lower 3rd. These really are not suggestions, it is best practices on how to use another creator’s content. This is no different than a mfg using your content for advertising that you didn’t give permission to use. I could really care less about traffic to my content. It is about taking ownership, and doing the right thing moving forward. I wish you the best on your creative journey 👍
@@TripodsGarage okay, I hear you. I will reflect on this and ask for some opinions from fellow creators. Thanks for your insights. Wishing you all the best in your creative journey as well.
@@TripodsGarageHey Tripod, I would submit a copyright claim. It has been a number of days and nothing has changed. Plus I am sure this video has gained a large number of views since then without proper credit. It appears that he isn’t taking what you said seriously, and hasn’t done anything that you said. Seems that him and The Next Layer have something in common, they ride on the coattails of others, and using other creators content to boost their own. At least The Next Layer does everything that you mentioned. What this person did was totally inappropriate and intentional. He basically made it where you could barely see the tag in the lower left. He has other titles like the pricing information that are bold, and cannot miss. Why make lower left credits barely noticeable? Not verbally say who it is?!Then lastly not even tag these creators in the description? Pretty simple, he didn’t want anyone to notice it wasn’t his footage. I say submit your claim, otherwise this will continue to happen.
I was sorely disappointed with the falcon 2 40W laser. The spot size was terrible for something marketed with a "precision" mode. Hopefully they have come farther when it comes to their ability to combine beams. The offset that came with the machine also made engravings quite blurry out of the box. Much better experiences with other brands in my opinion.
@ygk3d the spot size is of great importance to me with detail engravings. I was hardly able to get a result that replicated my Snapmaker 10W laser(or 1.6W laser) in terms of quality/darkness. I am extremely happy with the Neje lasers that I bought, which outperform the Creality falcon 2 with half the power. I snagged a 10W Neje E40 and it's blown my expectations away after returning my creality machine.
Exactly. For inexperienced buyers, the fqct that they are not advertising their laser spot size is a red flag. So glad I was able to return mine for a full refind. Shop through 3rd party retailer instead of their official shop. 10 attempted purchases on Creality website, and it still refused to go through. @YaaLFH
No. Wrong laser for the job. Diode lasers can't engrave metals. They can mark surface of some metals like (some) stainless steel or titanium, and remove the anodised layer from anodised aluminium, but not actually engrave.
Why couldn't you put what the item was in the title or the preview picture? This crap of making me watch the start of a video that I end up not having an interest in is such a dumb trend, I go out of my way to tell YT to never recommend me channels that do that.
I would never buy or use a Lasercutter or engraver without enclosure. I never understood why anyone would do so. Even if I could operate it safely I wouldn't put anyone of my family at risk.
One absolutely *_VITAL_* variable you didn't mention is each company's reputation for product repairability/customer service/etc. Especially for a business, initially saving a few hundred dollars is utterly irrelevant if you lose _thousands_ of dollars while a machine is down and waiting for parts to ship from China or--worse yet--has to be shipped away to a service centre.
@@urban2153 not the greatest value, there are many companies that can sell stuff better and for way cheaper than a seven hundred dollar printer, bambu labs a1 mini and a1, the voron r1, the ankermake m5c and many more
Do you know what Creality does worse than any of it's competitors? Profiles. Making really good profiles for slicers takes a lot of time, effort and work. Creality being a bunch of lazy fookers expects it's users to spend hours and hours and tonnes of filament trying to work out the perfect setting, which is why Creality will never be a Bambu Labs or a Prusa. Creality sucks at detail. As long as it bangs out a new printer it doesn't give a toss about the user experience.
@@YaaLFH That's the compromise of a cheap printer to be honest. I have 2, a large format and a small printer. Both of which I have swapped the controllers out and upgraded in various ways. They work well now, but the amount of time it takes to dial them in....in the future I'd buy a 'just works' printer from somewhere else just to keep my sanity if nothing else.
@@andyspoo2No, that's not the compromise of a cheap printer. Elegoo printers are cheap and have much better build quality and excellent customer service. They also come with a lot of convenience upgrades included in the price and already installed.
