Creole Languages in Language History (with Dr. Paul Roberge)

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Professor Paul Roberge (University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill) answers questions from Jackson Crawford's Patreon supporters about the role of creolization in language history, and some particular cases of languages whose history is strongly influenced by language contact (e.g. Afrikaans). Recorded live on September 18, 2022.
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@mykelbrinkerhoff7550 Год назад

Paul!!!! You were such an amazing professor and one of my favorites at UNC! I learned so much taking Old Norse classes and taking Language Evolution with you while getting my MA. I loved watching you talk about your passion on this episode.

@ryanxvx Год назад

Really awesome to see this! I took a class with him in college called The Viking Age, and... here we are almost a decade later.

@M.athematech Год назад

I know Afrikaans as a second language, and I have to say it it is very mutually intelligible with Dutch (Netherlandish) and Flemish. I had basic exposure to some Afrikaans vocab in school at age 7 and 8, and regular daily lessons from around age 9. At age 13 a friend who had gone on vacation to Europe brought back a Dutch translation of the French comic book Tintin and The Blue Lotus which at the time was not available in English. I found that I could understand the Dutch translation perfectly from my knowledge of Afrikaans. At one time I went on a business trip to France and overheard a group of people speaking Luxembourgish and could understand almost everything they were saying as well just from my knowledge of Afrikaans. I was working for a company that had a Belgian office and we would regularly communicate with them emailing in Flemish and us in Afrikaans. (Our English first language, Afrikaans 2nd language receptionist actually took a while to realize that our Belgian team were not actually speaking Afrikaans).

@superstructure23 Год назад

In my experience as a Dutch person (who has met Afrikaans speaking people), it is easier for Afrikaners to understand Dutch than the other way around. Flemish I believe holds a bit more of a middle ground, as a disproportionate amount of Flemish speaking people settled the Cape.

@user-qo5zb2vp2w Год назад

Two of my favorite professors! Really appreciate you dropping by on Zoom in our class the other day. I was the one who asked you what your favorite grammar of Old Norse is. Extremely surreal seeing a trademark Roberge powerpoint out in the wild. Love this video!

@eckligt Год назад

An acquaintance of mine is from Namibia. He explained that his black grandmother had Afrikaans as her only language -- or maybe the only he could talk to her in. I thought that was interesting.

@woodyseed-pods1222 Год назад

I put off watching this because I thought nearly 2 hours of it might be heavy going. Not a bit. It flew by. My thanks to Prof Roberge for sharing a sample of his astonishing erudtion with us and my thanks to Jackson for inviting him.

@weenug489 Год назад

Just gotta say, I love Dr. Roberge's Mustache, that facial hair is legendary

@Cyrathil Год назад

I've kind of taken to enjoying these longer interviews as the start of my weekend. It's a nice start to the relaxing weekend. I loved Dr. Roberge's powerpoint. It's become a sort of trope of professors boring people to death with powerpoints, but it's usually because they use the powerpoint ineffectively. He definitely uses them perfectly.

@thogameskanaal Год назад

Love to see coverage of pidgins and creoles in a positive light! All too often I hear people have their judgements ready when first encounter one of these tongues, calling it “less intelligent” or vulgar English, and I know none of that is true and that for people who haven't grown up speaking English or Dutch or French natively or as a second language, they're hard languages, as are most Indo European languages for outsiders.

@Ramngrim Год назад

Very interesting. I have looked a little at "Russenorsk" before.

@allisonguthrie8257 Год назад

This was really cool! I wish he had talked a little more about those other types of mixed/contact languages too, although I recognize those might not be his expertise. Michif is a fascinating mixed language between Cree and French that’s still spoken in parts of the Canadian, Montana, and North Dakota prairies. It’s not considered a creole, and it didn’t undergo morphological reduction- it retains all the most complex grammatical elements from both languages, including both grammatical gender from French and animacy from Cree. Sadly critically endangered now, but there’s a revitalization movement and language courses.

@alexolivera3151 11 месяцев назад

This was an amazing video. Really enjoyed this.

@corinna007 Год назад

One of my cousins has been to Haiti many times for work, and because of that she learned Haitian Creole. It's really interesting when I hear her speak it because it sounds like French but also not like French. And about Finnish and Germanic; Finland was under Swedish control for a long time (many towns and cities in Finland have both Finnish and Swedish names, such as Helsinki/Helsingfors), so Finnish has a lot of Swedish loan words as a result. (And just to point out; here in Canada the CH in "Chinook" is pronounced "Sh". 😅 We also have what we call Chinook winds in winter.)

@ICcreepers Год назад

Moikka! A subscriber + fan from Finland here! The new God of War: Ragnarök, was just released, and it contains a ton of olde norse, runic inscription and lore from the sagas. I know it is a fairly labourous task, but could you perhaps make a video at some point, going through some of the content in the game, perhaps checking how accurate it is? Thanks a lot for your awesome content!

@weepingscorpion8739 Год назад

He has done a few videos already before the game came out for IGN or something like that. He also had a post somewhere probably on IG about the game recently.

@mistellechambless6824 Год назад

Pretty sure I'm unscrolling the tiny message attached to your leg. I love language, especially the unspoken. Very good video, thank you.

@gnarzikans Год назад

no discussion of basque-icelandic pidgin?!

@Great_Olaf5 Год назад

So, the lack of a consistent, agreed upon, definition of what a creole is was interesting. I did some research for an undergraduate linguistics class to present the English Creole hypothesis, which to me seemed to hold more water than a lot of linguists were giving it credit for, and now I'm wondering if part of the reason for that might be that ongoing definitional conflict.

@M.athematech Год назад

I would argue that classical Arabic is a creole based on earlier Old Arabic, resulting from non-Old Arabic speakers, particularly Saracens from North Africa (whose original languages are unattested) having to communicate with the city dwelling Old Arabic speakers (not to mention South Arabian speakers having to adopt the resulting language also due to it becoming a lingua franca.

@derekgreen7319 Год назад

I have a keen interest I haitian creole and I've become very interested in creole language in genral.

@fromsupply2superfly101 Год назад

In a clip on The Polymath Channel i noticed a interesting thing that the word for cave in both italian and swedish is "grotta". With the exact same spelling. How could that be? Considering how important mining has been for the swedish economy since almost a millenium shouldn´t swedish ought to have kept a more lokal expression for such a natural phenomena?

@Alex-fv2qs Год назад

According to Wiktionary, grotta in the Nordic languages is a direct import from Italian

@ludviglidstrom6924 Год назад

A Germanic language spoken in the southernmost part of Africa is quite fascinating.

@thogameskanaal Год назад

Wouldn't Norman French (historically) also have counted as a creole, or is that too out there?

@Mac_an_Mheiriceanaigh Год назад

I think it would have been much more interesting if we had seen examples of differences between Dutch and Afrikaans or between different registers and varieties of Afrikaans. Just hearing about it from a broad historical perspective wasn't as linguistically interesting.

@bob___ Год назад

I can't shake the feeling that the sociological model of early South Africa on which the analysis of the origins of Afrikaans is oversimplified, and this is because Paul Kruger, one of the Afrikaner founding fathers of South Africa (Oom Paul), had some Khoi ancestry.

@b43xoit Год назад

And Middle English?

@beepboop204 Год назад

🙂

@trevt6522 Год назад

Ok so Creole is a slippery fish with lots of seasoning that might or might not have been a pigion.

@greywuuf Год назад

Mutual intelligibility I do not think is a fair gauge .....many speakers of American English will be realisticly lost if dropped into a serious Cockey area of England. ......are the two languages that differant, or indeed are they even differing languages?

@karenl6908 Год назад

I can't listen to this because the sound is killing my ears! I'm so sad, I wish that I could! Is there any way we could have an actual transcript of what was said for CC? 'Cause the auto-closed-captioning is sometimes very wrong. (Also, weird fact: blankets are great for dampening sound, so you could somehow house yourself in curtains to eliminate an echo-effect! That might help!)

@eckligt Год назад

I think many people are afraid of being the source of bad sound on Zoom or similar, so they put the mic reallly close to their mouths, and then it causes clipping, or it just simplify becomes too loud in the loud parts. I think that's basically what happened here. I see it all the time -- even when people have seemingly high-quality mics.

@noclip_st Год назад

The problem with the video here is that the sound wasn't processed properly. There is a drastic difference in levels between his and Paul's audio which could be solved really easily in post processing. Regardless of the way it was recorded, any decent screen recording software should leave you with separate tracks for your computer sound (your participant on a zoom call) as well as your mic's audio, which can then be run through a compressor and/or limiter. Jackson also doesn't seem to use his mic correctly. His mic seems to be a dynamic one which isn't meant to be used far away from your mouth. Again, it is hard to gauge how far away it was from him in this video, but it wasn't close enough.