This is where Crimewatch went really wrong. That awful theme re-mix. The music and camera affects during the reconstructions. It just wasnt the same visually and the ratings started to decline leading ultimately to its demise. Ironically the man who knew more about the show than anyone else Nick Ross voiced the same concerns with the new format and was ignored.
I think they were just trying to be more modern, all TV shows moved that way. I suppose they were competing with all the popular UK cop shows too in a way. Plus they tried to make it less "creepy" in this era.
@@interstat2222 I see where you are coming from but it was clearly the wrong move. Why fix what isnt broken? As for the "creepy" perception, it was that "creepyness" that kept viewers tuning in, got more calls and led to more crimes being solved. It was the gritty reality of the show that brought home the reality of the crimes that happened. Just my view.
@@LALakersNornIron I prefer the older ones too but I understand why they changed it. The old one was more filmic and these ones are shot more like TV and now have music and sound design added to the reconstructions which make it feel less real. The same has happened with true crime documentaries. Channel 4 used to make carefully measured films and now it's all just like these Crimewatch episodes, mostly and just terribly "cheap" on the UK true crime channels. Netflix still has high standards.
From what I recall this version of the theme tune was short lived and they reverted back to a dodgy Americanised version of the original fairly soon after, but at least it was largely the same (ish) theme tune!! The reconstuctions got worse than this though, these versions are shit, but from what i recall they got progressiviely worse until the 'reconstruction' was merely an interview with the family and then a truely dreadful drama and bad taste reconstruction of the crime. I remember seeing murder cases where they reinacted the actual murder with effects/music without having a clue about exactly what was said. Zero appeal points just drama for the sake of drama. Terrible. However, is it a conicidence that the format changed at the same time as the rise of social media? Were police using this more to appeal for witnesses? DNA/CCTV/other technology was better by now. Was CW becoming too old/out of date for catching criminals? Sad but could be true :(
I HATE it when people say he or she was "at the wrong place, at the wrong time", NO, the attacker was! Most of the times the attacker has already been in jail and let free by some idiot who thought the beast was rehabilitated, I wish the rope was back!
I had to be educated about this saying: wrong place wrong time is emphasising the victim could have been anyone, there was no particular reason it was that victim. If there's a killer on the loose murdering his extended family in 5 different properties, you probably wouldn't say of a victim "wrong time wrong place".
Thank you once more, Redcard! I was a regular watcher by this era but never caught this episode. Interesting to see the re-appeal for the Tunbridge Wells murders after seeing your original 88 episode. I wonder why the second murder never got mentioned on Crimewatch at the time (this re-appeal didn't yield anything, FYI).
Poor reconstructions accompanied by awful camera shots and music. Throw into the mix poor presenters (Fiona Bruce and Rav Wilding) - this just isn't crimewatch. The real crimewatch is from the 80's to the mid 90's.
The biggest thing that makes it feel cheap compared to the older ones is the all over the place camera work and digital effects. But it is just the current style.
UPDATE: David Fuller has today (4th November) changed his plea - admitting the murders of Wendy Knell and Caroline Pierce! He also admitted a string of other offences - including sexually abusing at least 100 corpses.
By pure coincidence I clicked this episode today - the day that David Fuller was sentenced to die in prison for the murders of Wendy and Caroline. Unfortunately Bill died in 2017 and didn’t get to see the sentence given as he would have liked.
Utterly, utterly worthless. Take the first case - the appalling fire attack on the Taxi driver. The "reconstruction" does not offer a SINGLE point of substantive appeal. It downplays or barely mentions crucial information such as the time, date, location of telephone booth (show us a map), location of attack (again, let's see a map - highlighting the route taken by the taxi and, more importantly, possible escape routes used by the attacker once he emerged from that underpass). No specific appeal for witnesses at any of those locations. Ridiculous, shaky camerawork (pathetically copied from U.S. cop-shows like NYPD Blue) and teenage-inspired fast edits combine to give us a reproduction of the attack that is almost *guaranteed* to NOT jog the memory of any vital eyewitness who may have been in the area at the time. The producers don't know if they are trying to help solve a crime or treat us to an MTV video. Then there's Fiona Bruce's insightful interview with the investigating officer afterwards. Again, not a SINGLE specific point of appeal. Just quasi-emotive - that is to say, sanctimonious - carping about what a dreadful crime this was. Fiona skips over the description of the suspect as if it's an afterthought. No photofit, or better yet, bearing in mind the victim's necessarily vague description, series of photofits showing what this guy *might* have looked like. I accept that 5' 10" slim white male with a hoodie is not a lot to go on. But some possible likenesses would have been better than nothing. Someone, somewhere could have tied a vague image of the attacker to other facts like the date and time of the assault. The date is never verbally mentioned. It is just flashed briefly at the base of the screen. Unless I'm very much mistaken the TIME is not mentioned at all. Rather an important detail, no? To describe this reconstruction and appeal as amateur is genuinely offensive to amateurs. The production standard is actually inferior to childish. And from the once-great BBC, too. Absolutely appalling.
@@LALakersNornIron Correct. You've seen the 80s - early 90s episodes I'm sure. Basically, the Nick Ross and Sue Cook era. Despite the technological limitations they had to deal with then, those reconstructions are still greatly superior to this one, even when viewed from 2021. Sad, really. It comes down to the old saying: if it's not broke, don't fix it. Greetings from Toronto.
what kind of person sets fire to someone thats horrendous. That person needs finding and taken into custody for life. its unnecessary to use that kind of violence just to get money.
Some animals are pretty shitty too. Many will kill for sex alone. Either killing potential competitors for control over the harem or sometimes killing their mate just for...idk the hell of it. They’ll kill each other’s or sometimes their own young, siblings, mates for food or oftentimes just because they don’t like the look of one another. Also, unlike with humans where this is behavior would be considered aberrant among animals this behavior would be considered completely natural and often practiced by the entire species as a whole. What about an elephant in musth who will attack anything or a horny alpha walrus which basically spends its life raping lady walrus’s or chimpanzees that pick out the weak member of the pack then proceed to tear it to shreds and play with its entrails.
I wonder how they got him. Another 23andme case where the police search for a suspect's DNA hoping either they or a relative have submitted theirs via a genealogy service?
@@weaponofmassconstruction1940 In such cases - it's usually down to a relative being arrested - a sample being provided - which later matches a crime scene - which would then trigger a "hit" on the National DNA Database - thereby alerting cold case detectives.
@Lawrence Gleason I saw the same article and the reporter covering the case put in a rather interesting claim that was apparently mentioned in court - but when I refreshed the page - it had been taken down. It will be interesting to see how this case plays out.
Hi redcard74, do you have any more 90s episodes of Crimewatch? Do you have any 1995, 1996 and 1997 and 1998 and 1999 episodes? Thanks for the upload, you have been greatly missed by us all in the past fortnight.
The program was starting to self destruct at this point, Fiona and Nick did well to jump ship when they did. Unnecessarily graphic reconstructions with frenzied music, a frantic tone, siezure enducing editing and lurid details.
A fe years back my friend got robbed unfortunately for the theif my mate is a martial arts practioner and chief instructor it didn't end well for the theif 5 years in jail but also broken nose cracked ribs broken arm 😂😂😂
The bastard who raped the aldershot schoolgirl was finally caught and sentenced in 2014 after he was extradited from greece.All he got for that horrific crime was a poxy 9 years
Thanks Redcard74, hope all is well, thanks as always for all the great uploads, and the time and effort you put into it, crimewatch uk will go down in history, and hopefully so will ALL of those people, who've yet to be caught, and convicted, good afternoon everyone, oh it's so cold, wet and miserable out there today, am sure crimewatch will occupy a good few hours, and put the wind up me as well.......😀😆😆🌫🌫❄❄❄☃️⛄⛄⛄☔☔
In regards to the motorway service, security van robbery, why on earth, do these security firms, keep employing middle aged, very overweight and generally very out of condition gentlemen, as security guards, when the guys who normally commit these types of robberies, are more often than not, young, lean and fit??? These poor security guards, who are targeted, don't stand a chance of defending themselves, during a robbery, so they need to be as fit as the robbers are!
They should have all had weapons to defend themselves. Robbers had guns, but the guards had nothing. It should have been planned better. The robbers had to know the time of the collection, etc. There had to be a safer way to do it. Different routes, times of day, etc.
@redcard74 hey red card not sure if you’ve seen but M.R. James has uploaded the 1996 crimewatch file the iceman about the Harry and Nicola Fuller murders
The Wendy Knell murder, Tunbridge Wells, Kent. In the studio discussion (BBC Crimewatch 1987, at 42' 43") - with Det Supt Richard Rixon, Kent Police - they missed one VITAL clue (& appeal). On the day she was murdered, Wendy Knell travelled 2 miles to the launderette, Rusthall High Street. 1.) How did she travel there and back? Bus? (the 281 bus stop is only a 5-minute walk from Guildford Road, down Grove Hill Road to the main railway station). A lift from someone? 2.) Who saw her in the launderette? Did she talk to anyone? 3.) Did Wendy Knell normally travel to Rusthall launderette? There are launderettes in town much closer - was she avoiding someone?
Fiona Bruce appeals for help in solving crime. Features the hunt for the gang of armed robbers terrorising Yorkshire; closing in on the rapist who preyed on a schoolgirl; and 20 years on, can DNA now help bring a double murderer to justice? Monday 20th August 9pm 2007
it says in this article linked that the officers involved were all given awards for their successful force wide investigation into a string of violent cash in transit robberies www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/2230078.top-honours-for-brave-police-officers/
There has been an arrest and charge in the Wendy Knell, Tunbridge Wells, case. A suspect, David Fuller, 66, arrested on 4th December, 2020. Currently awaiting trial for two murders.
In Cluedo the vicar is the guilty party involved on 25% of all murders but in this series through out , no men of the cloth have ever been brought to book. This cannot be real life.
Shame , because it always seems the butler , the baker or the milkman get framed for the crime . That is unless you murder your children's nanny and then influential friends will smuggle you out to Botswana or Tanzania and you will end your days managing a tobacco farm .
Why do people ignore their so-called chivalry feeling ?their got a warning from the Lord? God almighty is warning them but they ignore it? Why do people ignore their intuition like this I don't get it?
Fiona was quite good I thought, smooth professional and calm. Kirsty Young annoyed me, she always seemed like she was about to explode with rage after each reconstruction.
Someone was finally arrested early in 2021. Look up Bedsit Murders. Don't think it has gone to trial yet (Aug 21). Believe they used 'East Area Rapist' DNA method.
@@treasurehunteruk9718 yes he pleaded guilty but don't think he has been sentenced yet. He committed lots of other horrific crimes and had access to the mortuary. Lots of news available online
Security robberies would not exist if we stopped using cash. These robberies will speed up the use of cards only. And Britain should really get license plates centrally produced and make them out of something that cannot be reproduced.
Robberies are done with false number plates. How could you tell from a distance. Robberies still exist because people steal things other than cash. What about jewellery? Have you not watched previous episodes? There is a robbery on a jewellery shop, every couple of episodes!!!! There were motorbike thieves who stole handbags from a designer shop in Bond Street. There are also programmes where computers have been stolen! There are many other things to steal than cash!!!!!!
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
Fred , do you cut and paste this repetitious post , or do you type it out word for word ? Just maybe you could find a job with basic and simple tasks . The unemployment office or your carer might be able to point you in the right direction. . Direction , now that's a big word Fred , it's similar to points on the compass . Have you seen the direction F O ? Perhaps someone could explain it to you .
