Crimewatch UK February 1989 

Evening all

Couldn’t agree more - some great discussion and always civil which can’t always be said for the comments on YT videos.

I have no idea what we are gonna do when there are no more 😩😩

Dean Mobley start a rewatch from the beginning!

Absolutely, rewatch them all again, and again. The Crimewatch gang will never end! 🙂

Maybe David Malchuly? One of the railway killers

Thats why they call them crimes

@@Purewood357 possibly him. Although armed wasn't usually his style (although I wouldn't put it past him) Mulcahy was taller as well I think?

Amatuer ,lol

​@@Purewood357John Dunne killed her

Elections are also crimewatch in a different way 🤣

Order order

Nick Ross should have ended last year's election. The Tories may have an 80-seat majority but please don't have nightmares, do sleep well!

And?

This has aged like fine wine

19-Dec-20 today - I remember Lorraine every year. I am SO sorry for your loss. I didn't know Lorraine but would have worked with her and I lived close by to that alley. Colleagues and my cousin knew her. It really bothered a lot of us. My neighbour's young lad cycled through the alley in the morning (to his paper 'round) and was very deeply traumatised when he later learned about what happened. A few years before, we had a murder in Cambridge Road, a bit further along from the allotments, opposite Cambridge Close. I witnessed that: it was murder, not manslaughter, no question. The murderer was Dean Harris. He received only six years for that murder. It's all just depressing. If you google "Dean Harris murder", you find his namesake's killing of a child. Words just escape me. In principle, I oppose capital punishment. But every time I hear John Dunne's name and think of Rachel Nickell and Richard Baker's murders, amongst so very many, I think these specimens should simply be terminated. Just get rid of the rubbish. At the VERY, ABSOLUTE, least, "life" should mean life imprisonment. We've not had a single government who've meant it when they claim they'll get tough on crime.

It destroyed her dad mick

Sounds like he was a full on psychopath

Thanks for the info Mate😉👍

​@@trebor9711 I've seen it on a Netflix series. John Dunne had a heavy cold at the time and they had a DNA profile from the snot rag he left at the scene

Brilliant. Made me chuckle, as well.

He’s an actor that read it from a script nothing genius about him

​@@Thenorthsaceok troll

Wonder if they caught him

you should have been in bed! :)

Yeah, as they say now, 'we believe this man may have vital information...'

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Because people with houses that have heating in them stand outside next to fires all the time don’t they 👍

I may have seen them when they were originally transmitted, but if I did I can't remember any of these cases from 1989 thus far. Same with 1990, 1991 & 1992.

I thought that from May ‘88 until deep into the 90s I hadn’t missed an episode but I don’t have any memory of anything from this episode or the January one. I definitely remember the Michael Fahy reconstruction which is coming up later in ‘89.

I reckon you know who did it. 0800 811 8055

She should not have opened the door. She was not expecting anyone, so don't let him in.

Sadly yes - I was a student about nine years later and travelled by train from Edinburgh to Truro. Due to some administrative arse-up my reserved seat was in the smoking carriage and the train was standing room only. I felt I’ll for days with all the cigarettes I passively smokes during that eight hours or so.

AAron Thom Just did a bit of research (as I’m a sad sack) and smoking on trains wasn’t banned until 2005. However it was banned on tube trains in 1987 following the Kings Cross disaster.

Helen Compton That's shocking!

Yes To think The Health Act 2006 Royal assent was July 19 2006 which banned smoking in public places came into affect Chapter 1 - Smoke-free premises, places and vehicles in Scotland on March 26 2007 in Northern Ireland on April 30 2007. Wales on April 2 2007 and England July 1 2007. And October 1 2007 Chapter 2 - Age of sale for tobacco etc Section 13 granted the Secretary of State the power to increase the age for purchasing tobacco from 16 to 18, which came into force on 1 October 2007. And a new legislation came into effect From 1 October 2015, the new legislation in England and Wales makes it illegal to smoke in a vehicle carrying someone who is under 18. It is now also against the law for a driver not to stop someone smoking in these circumstances. The fine for both offences is £50. How times have rightly changed.

haha, funny; and on aeroplanes, as I well recall. Smoking ban came in well into the 2000s, did it not ?

Mark Bartlett . 😂😂😂

I don’t believe it

or Midsomer Murders! lol

​@@BossySwan margret killed victor 😮😮😮

It was a “friend” that murdered her

​@@Thenorthsaceno troll, it wasn't. It was a 19 year old who'd recently been released from a young offender's institute for a previous rape.

it ought to be a public service like the police. it would pay for itself.

It's been back on in the mornings now for many years but it's very different because crime is very different now. The official Office of National Statistics (ONS) 2023 stats showed that crime was actually at its lowest ever levels. Violent crime in particular has really declined since its peak in 1995 and the crime that there is has tended to move online - meaning that witness appeals like Crimewatch are not of much use. So many of the crimes featured in these 1980s Crimewatch episodes either don't really happen today (like the securicor hold ups, or child abductions off the street) or would be solved very quickly and easily these days with things like CCTV, DNA and mobile phone records.

They were the worse ones all brought together from months of investigation that was going no where so they turn to crimewatch for help… if you’re such an expert why don’t you solve them sherlock.

@@Thenorthsace Yes, I know they were crimes the police needed extra help with. The point is: EVERY MONTH there were crimes they couldn't solve, enough to fill a programme, for YEARS!!!!!! NOT SO RARE, IS IT?????

Britain had the highest level of violent crime in Europe in the 1980s. Much more violent era than people care to remember. Still, worth remembering that the population was over 50 million back then, so still pretty rare.

Colin Ash Smith.

stfitness old-skool banger!

So don’t. You get fresh with me!

Gigalo

I think he had a definite limp. This wasn't mentioned on his description.

This made me laugh way too much 😂😂

BFG on his way to McDonald’s

Haha, well spotted!

Giants were very common in the 80s but have declined in population in recent years. 🇬🇧👍

I imagine he didn't stick around too long after Lorraine was murdered. And if Sarah (or "Sarah" - that name could be being assumed for any number of reasons) _did_ hear of the murder, I wouldn't be surprised if she put two and two together, and declined the offer for obvious reasons.

Yeah I'm almost certain she did, after all women just love being approached & followed down an empty street late at night by some random man......

Don't think that's true at all. Eye witness accounts have always been absolutely notorious for being wrong.

Half the country now walks around the big cities with music playing in their ears.

It has to be said though that eye witness accounts have always been notoriously unreliable. Lots of evidence over the years about how badly people remember things. It's therefore a million times better that so many things can be caught on camera, or on mobile phones rather than eye witness.

Its strange to me because if he was harassing her she could have banged on a door or shouted at passing traffic to gain attention. May be she knew him

Kirsty Moore if she’d done that it would only have angered him and possibly made him more violent.

Sarah Sea I’m wondering if the girlfriend/ wife of the guy she wanted to come and meet her hired someone to kill her? In a fit of rage and jealousy? Xx

Katie McDevitt you should write books for a living!! 🙂🙂

Kate McDevitt That was Peter’s mother.

I have fond memories of Alvaston, not least because it's the only British town to have been mentioned in the title of a Glen Campbell song. Or was that Ulverston? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZTbTHlTmDX8.html Oh, well - it was close :-)

and banks dont have any money

Good seeing good old Derby. Miss those days.

I hated aladdins cave. Loved Crimewatch as a kid, we'd all talk about it next day at school. Crimewatch solved was quality too, Rough Justice as well.

Paul Would thhtth.How d'you know!😉

ha ha yeah I do the googling as well. And like you I love seeing the old footage of how everything used to look.

Indeed. If you're a decent soul...we can live our lives and should so happily, we only get one, I'm not giving mine up through fear, I'm not scared, I'm scared of what will happen in future generations. Needs to be stopped, NOW!

There's another video on RU-vid talking to a gangster from that time. He said by the late 80s, only idiots tended to do armed robbery like that. The security was starting to get tighter and other gangsters realised they could make much more money from drugs.

Call the group ‘Don’t Have Nightmares’

Did this go ahead??

Gay.

Proper sad 🤣🤣🤣

@@nathaniliescu4597 You are, indeed, VERY gay.

It's better than 1 minute 😂 I must say that robber was a real amateur who had absolutely no idea of what to do... Luckily Pauline got out.

He didn't have a clue what he was doing. 🇬🇧👍

Think it's INXS - need you tonight

It was common for British women in the 80s to look older than they actually were, with short hair and heavy makeup

Someone local? Has to be, you don't just stumble across a motorbike in a conservatory on a quiet lane. His mate?

Here is a recent article talking to her parents, in one of the photos/ she looks like an old granny. www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/5845757/parents-blast-decision-to-free-taxi-rapist-jon-worboys-after-their-daughter-was-sexually-assaulted-and-murdered-by-convicted-teen-rapist

It'll be the clothes of the time. A lot of people looked older than they actually were then

@@dominewimbury2039 not just the clothes tho isit... she looks much older in her face...

Smoking and drinking alcohol, all I have to say

@@aaronmonette7849 i smoke and drink now and then i’m in my 30s and look like i’m 20 so yeah you’re wrong

Err, the reconstruction and the crime happened on Wednesday 30th November 1988! 🙄

Think this has to be the most memorable one! www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356155/Supergran-Ann-Timson-foiled-armed-gang-handbag-says-shes-just-mad.html

She was only 22... Still really young and a bit immature at that age. I know I was.

@@weaponofmassconstruction1940 Yeah just didn’t understand why she was going to see that guy off? Xx

@@katemissfilanpurrmcdevitt I guess in those days, such long distance travel was unusual. Who knows?

Are you deaf ? It stated she was going to the airport to see a friend off that was going to AUS

@@Thenorthsace keep ur knickers on love 😂

yep ..www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/devastated-dad-murdered-photographer-warns-8528418

Psycho18C Yes, John Dunne was sentenced to life in April 1989. He served 3 years in a treatment centre prior to murdering Lorraine for the rape of another woman. He became eligible for parole in 2006 but still remains in prison (but was moved to an open prison in 2017).

Helen Compton Bad idea moving him to an open prison. He is still a danger to people.

Psycho18C He is still in prison at the moment but I believe the move to an open prison is to ‘prepare him for life outside’. Whether parole will ever be granted remains to be seen.

Not sure if you saw my post above but her parents still have her pet tortoise, George (or at least they did as of two years ago).