Sue Cook and Nick Ross. Cases include the murders of Karen Hadaway and Nicola Fellows in Brighton, the disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh in Fulham, London, and thefts from of Jewels in Bond Street, London.
My memories as a youngster; Nick Ross saying “Tonight we’ll show you some schoolchildren stumbling upon a mutilated corpse in a remote spinney, an elderly couple being hacked to death in their secluded farmhouse and some terrible artist impressions of deformed clown killers. Anyway, don’t have nightmares...”
@@StufiBuy DNA is a curse , its not real detective work for police officers , any idiot can put a DNA sample in to a national database and let the computer do the all the work.
One of the very sad things about this period is the case of Kevin Hicks. He was a 16 year old school boy from Croydon who popped out to the shop and was never seen again. Police believe he was being groomed and was murdered. His case was due to appear on Crimewatch but was bumped off in favour of Susie Lamplugh's
@@DisabledPrepper he was never found and no-one was ever charged with his disappearance. Very sad. Seemed to happen a lot in the mid-late 80's - there was a very similar case a few years later when a boy named Lee Boxell vanished. He's never been found either, and no-one charged with anything relating to his disappearance.
@@Kiroquaialso another odd case in the Croydon area in 1985 - Reece Collins was 15 and found hanging from a tree in a park one night. Lots of very, very dodgy things going on in and around Croydon in those days. There's been some developments on the Lee Boxell case and although he's never been found, they have a firm idea about what happened to him. They believe he was murdered by a paedophile at a local church youth club who was abusing girls. They believe Lee saw something and that he stepped in, and was killed. The man's name was William Lambert and he had a string of convictions. Lambert's own kids have said they believe he did it, and Lee Boxell's dad has also now said that he believes that is what happened too. They think Lee's body was hidden in the church yard under a coffin - Lambert was also the grave digger.
@@DisabledPrepperKevin's case is truly awful. Nobody has heard or seen anything since that night. Nobody charged. In 1996, a woman called up the local paper and claimed she knew where his body was. The police looked and found nothing. The police believe he had used his visit to the shop as an excuse to meet someone or to go somewhere. Sadly, Croydon in those days was absolutely crawling with sex offenders and also all kinds of other crime. The police said they believed he was being groomed but didn't say if it was sexually, or groomed in the way that some criminal gangs try to get kids in. The police have said that it was likely he met someone that night, and that person assaulted and killed him, perhaps not intentionally. He was last seen by someone who worked with him, about an hour and a half after he left his house, walking in the general direction of home. The police subsequently searched the local parks and Shirley hills green space, all of which had got strong reputations for being used for dogging / cruising etc after dark. Sadly, there's no end of the possibilities about what happened to him.
Watched them all in order up until now. Loving it so far! Introduced my french mrs to crimewatch too and she is hooked! "What does it mean, remanded in custody?" ..... advanced english lessons with classic crimewatch!
I'm enjoying how they are being uploaded in chronological order so we get updates on previous crimes we've seen. It's like reliving my childhood - one upload - one month at a time back then.
I was 6 in 1986 and my mother wouldn’t allow it then. She hit the roof when she found out my grandmother had allowed me (then 9) my sister (5) and my cousin (11) to walk to the railway line thru an alleyway. My sister and I never stayed there again.
where i lived in leeds during those days, alot of younguns like myself was allowed out at any hour. used to like get some cheap cider, a few cigs from adults and hang out down the shop age 9/10. crazy times
@@Bonzo563 Better and worse. Better, perhaps, for those who came out the other end of it alive and without serious mental or physical injury. Not so good for those who didn't. I had more freedom as a child than kids do now (not quite as much as the kids in this video!) and like you I look back on it fondly. But I was lucky. There was so much danger and abuse kids were exposed to back then. There were definitely winners and losers.
Hopefully the families get the verdict they need on Monday. The trial has nearly finished. It's took its toll on the poor families. Nicola's brother, who was about 14 or 15 then sadly died suddenly in September just before the trial began. Poor Jon. Then two weeks ago the Hadaway family also had a bereavement with the loss of Karen's father's own father. It's been horrendous for all of them. Just hope they are able to rest from Monday and the girls can finally rest in proper peace xx
So sad about those girls. I don’t know if the mother interviewed ever changed her mind but, in the 2000s, a major news program did an experiment. They interviewed several parents, all of whom said their children would never go with strangers. Then, they set up scenarios where they were able to approach their children in public and tell them a lie. ALL of the children went with the stranger. In the 1980s, we had a conception of strangers as literally strange individuals, readily identifiable. In reality, predators can seem very normal and trustworthy. They have worked on their techniques for a long time. It is sad, but children are not hard to manipulate.
They believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy. Those things are ridiculous if you think about them, but kids believe it cos it is what they are told, and they haven't got the logic to realise it is unreal. My friend's mother told us her doll's hair would grow if we kept washing and combing it. We believed her.
In the case of Nicola and Karen, the guy was known, he had ginger hair, was found not guilty, almost murdered any young girl, and has been in prison ever since, but since the change in double jeopardy laws, he is now being tried for the murders of Nicola and Karen. DNA is confirmed too.
Thanks for uploading these. I've got this episode and also the Nov 1986 on an old VHS tape. Unfortunately it was covered in mould and mildew (common problem with old tapes). Managed to clean the tape and get them on dvd but some parts are a bit scrappy, this is a better quality than my version. Great channel.
I'm also looking forward to the CW episodes from 1987. I was 17 at the time, but can barely remember any of them. At present there's only the 1 episode from 1987 on here, so it would be great to see some more from 1987. Thank you again redcard, it is very much appreciated.
Oh god yes, I remember this in 86 I was 12 and the killers terrified me, still think of the poor victims today, I can't imagine the pain and horror they went through. Evil awful people 😥
Thank you once again Redcard. Please keep them coming! I had heard or read a fair bit about the dissapearance of Suzy Lamplugh so the reconstruction was interesting. The fact that he had a bottle of champagne as well the suggestion that Suzy and 'Mr Kipper' may have walked for 5 minutes to the house suggest that he may have charmed her or befriended her beforehand and then turned on her. It does sound like the modus operandi of John Cannan, who the photofit of the champagne man looks like. The one spanner in the works is the sighting by Suzy's friend as it moves the car away from Stevenage Road. Weirdly, in the literature and documentaries I have seen about Suzy Lamplugh, I have not heard of the friend's sighting before. Was that sighting subsequently ruled out?
@@banks9922 Just finished reading David Videcette’s book on this case. Fascinating stuff. Very different to the reconstruction here. He states that she didn’t even take the keys to Shorrald’s road.
34:01 I like how balaclava-wearing robbers came in shirts and ties!!! Maybe it was so they wouldn't have to get changed for the court cause once they got arrested!!!!
Thanks Redcard, not many to go now until we reach 1987 which is when I'll probably have some memories of. I'm sure there was a reconstruction around late 86/87 about an arson at some sort of aircraft factory/testing facility. Sounds really strange but I remember it being one of the first CW I ever watched and from what I remember the reconstruction was slightly sinister. They were trying to trace a shadowy figure on a bike. Does it ring any bells with you? Thanks once again for your ongoing efforts, can't believe 30 years later I'm seeing these programmes again!
Don't blame Michelle, Lee, Barrie and Susan for their losses! It wasn't that late and they knew and trusted Bishop. He was a so called friend of both families so the poor girls had no reason not to disbelieve whatever that twisted evil so called man told them! It's all his fault, not the girls or the parents! They have suffered more than enough thanks to him and they have probably blamed themselves enough without people like you adding to it!
@@dominewimbury2039 I am not adding to this terrible story. Just made a comment. I am obviously making comparisons to my own childhood. No way was I out of my home after 19:00 hrs! My parents were strict but in a good way.
That champagne bottle in the Suzi case is key. I believe she met 'Mr Kipper' previously. Suzi knew 'Mr Kipper', possibly met him at the party SATURDAY before 25:28. Police Need to contact people at that party.
Suzy had dated a man who lived in shorrolds road and on the day she disappeared he quit his job,moved house and told people he would be on holiday in different locations.The police apparently checked him out but its all a big coincidence isn't it?
I think this show was so important in teaching about keeping children safe, millions of homes across the country seeing such horrific crimes really brought home, so to speak, just how depraved some people are
I remember the 2nd Suzy appeal around 1999 , i wasn’t born in 1986 but growing up i was well aware of Suzy she was on the news and talked about lots , i can’t remember who else her “killer” killed now but that was another famous case
@@piotrgadowski3506 In 2000 they found the car in a scrapyard that Cannan had borrowed from someone and in that car they found both his and Suzy's DNA. The CPS said that it didn't prove they were in the car at the same time so did not prosecute. You make your own mind up. Diane Lamplugh was convinced of Cannan's guilt as far back as 1991.
Nicola Fellows was my best friend, she lived about 10 minutes from my old house in Charley Road In Moulsecoomb Neighbourhood of Brighton, she was supposed to to attend my 8th Birthday party in 1986 (unfortunately she was murdered on the 9th October and my party was a day later). My dad wept when he found out who the two girls were?
The police have today searched Cannan's mum's house in the Midlands after receiving new information. Turns out this new information was given SIXTEEN years ago. Slow police
At 21.34 it is said that Suzy's car was never seen in Shorrolds Road. But the detective in the same programme (at 26.00) said that her car was definitely seen in Shorrolds Road at 12.45. This is a major cause of confusion. Really someone should clarify this. The Thames TV reconstruction has the car outside Shorrolds Road in their reconstruction.
@@Maz-zb9ufmany people think she did, but i dont. her flat was for sale when she went missing. if she was going to stage her own disappearance, she would have waited till she sold her flat, then took the profits to start a new life.
Lee Dummett could be that that’s where she got into the vehicle of another person, willingly or by coercion. It seems that the sighting in Stevenage Road was very definite so only conclusion is that another mode of transport was used between the two as the sightings of her in Shorrolds were outside the property so very likely to have been her.
there is no way suzy lamplugh car was parked on stevenage rd at 1pm, while she herself was at 37 shorrolds rd at the same time. witness statements can be so misleading.
@@sell3100 Yeah, a former Scotland Yard detective believes she never was in that street and the diary entry was a lie to leave work on a personal erand.
I know it's not and it's all borne of hindsight, knowledge of theories and rumours etc and that it would have been investigated at the time, but does anyone else think the face behind Suzy in the picture taken at a party two days before she disappeared resembles Cannan?
19:13 - on the same bridge serial killer John Christie was arrested on March 31, 1953. On the opposite side of the bridge (behind cameraman's back) is Putney Park, where one of the scenes of horror film "The Omen" was shot (the scene in which priest got impaled by lightning rod from All Saints church). Very good area for blood-filled stories, indeed.
i dont believe suzy car was on stevenage rd at 1245pm, when she was on shorrolds rd at that time. it appears as if one of the witness accounts is wrong.
@@kims1605 - That's circumstancel evidence. Russell Bishop is a monster but you need firm proof if you're going to link him to any other unsolved murders or else the CPS won't touch it.
@@kims1605 - Also, did you know that Steve Wright (the Ipswich prostitute killer) knew Suzi Lamplugh from when they worked on the cruise liners together? OK, it's not proof but is worth looking into. One of Steve Wright's ex-wifes or girlfriend said he used to call her face "kipper" as he grabbed hold of it. I'm not saying it was him but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked into more. John Cannan I hope is the perpetrator in the Suzi Lamplugh case. Either way, they're both banged up for life (meaning life), which has to be some comfort to the family of Suzi, although I realise that both her parents have since past away.
@@kims1605 - It should be noted that John Cannan has never been charged with the murder of Suzi Lamplugh, as there is insufficient evidence at present.
1.15, miss sindall, I remember that case, I didn't realize they charged a man,she was found in an alley off borough Rd in birkenhead, it was a Sunday I seem to remember
In the Suzy lamplugh case, surely taking a call and arranging to meet someone called ‘ Mr kipper ‘ is the first red flag?? If I was a young woman I certainly wouldn’t be going to meet someone called Mr kipper on my own. I’m surprised more wasn’t made of that fact.
Update on the Fellows/Hadaway case from today's Guardian (16th Oct 2018): www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/16/man-on-trial-for-1986-murders-of-nicola-fellows-and-karen-hadaway-brighton
Wouldn't even recognise him now-the mustache has gone & he is bald & looks nothing like he did in the 1980's & 1990's. He is only ten years older than me-I was ten when this happened, you always think of suspects/criminals being really old when you are young, but the reality is this guy has spent nearly his entire adult life in jail.
Her work was estate reflect her way by numbers of estates sales. Her voices and sight begins sales she was murdered due to greed her managers and perhaps she took to many low prices for others needs her foods for opening the sale is her demise
