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Criston Cole: A Character Study 

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@kevinhansen8211
@kevinhansen8211 2 месяца назад
After reading Fire and Blood, we have to remember what voice Martin is using in telling this story. He is speaking as a Maester, a "supposed" impartial servant of the lords and nobility. It is fitting for such a man to blame the dance entirely on Cole, and leave out the roles, and schemes, the Hightowers played, after all, the Hightowers still had power in Oldtown during the Song of Ice and Fire, and the Maesters would not risk offending the ones who ruled where their Citadel was. Far easier to blame a long dead man of common birth, than the lords that still support you.
@Railery
@Railery 2 месяца назад
This is a really interesting take and I see a lot of value in it but personally, as we’ve seen from other Maesters like Luwin and Pycelle, often times the maesters are not unbiased and as we know history is often written by the victors of a war so potentially that influence is felt all through the boom of fire and blood. No detail big or small can be 100% trusted in fire and blood.
@uriustosh
@uriustosh 3 месяца назад
First of His Name, Breaker of Oaths, Stainer of Sheets, Muncher of Carpets
@phillipbradshaw4006
@phillipbradshaw4006 3 месяца назад
Snort….giggle…cough….BWAHAHAHAHAHA
@danyf.1442
@danyf.1442 3 месяца назад
You won the internet today🏅
@ShadeoftheEvening
@ShadeoftheEvening 3 месяца назад
Ha 🤣that's funny
@ShadeoftheEvening
@ShadeoftheEvening 3 месяца назад
​@danyf.1442 YEP💯
@noblegalifreyan4551
@noblegalifreyan4551 3 месяца назад
You act like you wouldn't get a chance to be with Alicent
@Magmafrost13
@Magmafrost13 3 месяца назад
I love the sentence "he takes it out on her husband's boyfriend" so much
@_horus_8484
@_horus_8484 2 месяца назад
made me chuckle xD
@Maverick_682
@Maverick_682 2 месяца назад
It's strangely applicable to our modern times.
@ktk44man
@ktk44man 2 месяца назад
Is it so strange? I know asoiaf is that compelling but this stuff didn't really happen lol, it's a modern fantasy story. Just makes it seem less strange ​@@Maverick_682
@HOEEAHHNIGGAS
@HOEEAHHNIGGAS 6 дней назад
​@@Maverick_682 Joffrey Was Being Caviler, Basically Rubbing The Dishonor In His Face & He Also Knew Cristons Secret so criston snapped
@matthewalanrain5839
@matthewalanrain5839 3 месяца назад
Robert, this channel is excellent. Thank you!!
@mrx2817
@mrx2817 3 месяца назад
Wholeheartedly second this notion! Love tuning in!
@davidlewis8814
@davidlewis8814 3 месяца назад
Hear, hear!
@octopusmime
@octopusmime 2 месяца назад
it's true. he's got such a great voice, too. much better than other hosts of similar channels.
@hangebza6625
@hangebza6625 3 месяца назад
Criston Cole is the epitome of failling upwards in the show. He does dumb stuff after dumb stuff and gets promoted for it. Like a bodyguard of the royal household killing in rage a wedding guest and friend of the spouse, should have kicked him out of the guard. Killing a guest, harming people under your charge, failing in his duty as a bodyguard by loosing control and be a danger to those he is supposed to protect etc.pp As kingsguard they are part of the kings household the king, he is making the king associate themselves with this most heinous of violations. Kicking him out of the guard should have been the first thing happening.
@0cidd0
@0cidd0 2 месяца назад
yeah, i think this scene in the wedding was one of the worst of the series so far, almost getting the same level as got last season, made no sense, they want to rush so much this, killing jofrey in the tourney like was in the books(but they didnt have time to do another tourney in the same season). At least could say that was a accident
@ktk44man
@ktk44man 2 месяца назад
While I agree that I really don't like that scene the way I justified it, is that at this point in history a knight of the Kings Guard has never been dismissed. They've always served for life. Joffrey is laenors consort, but that's rather under the table. He didn't commit treason, just murder, and maybe that's not enough to change tradition
@SvenskaKrig1709
@SvenskaKrig1709 3 месяца назад
The show is doing Cole really dirty imo. If they wanted to make him evil they could have done it in a better way. Mysterious amoral actor with an unknown agenda > spurned lover. Personally I think this characterization goes back to mistakes made in S1. Up until ep 5 he is fine, but after he barley seems like a character. They removed the most consequential thing he did, so no wonder he is just sex scene bait so far is S2. There is nothing more for him to do. Tbh even the theory that Cole was a Hightower plant to make Rhaenyra look bad was a better way to handle their relationship.
@verycool2050
@verycool2050 3 месяца назад
spurned lover is real life. we see it all the time. only it's usually a guy who works at the post office not a guy in charge of the military
@SvenskaKrig1709
@SvenskaKrig1709 3 месяца назад
@@verycool2050Is it really though? I have seen bad break ups, and rejections, but I have never seen someone become a one note villain over a break up. So far there is 0 complexity to tv Cole. Which is fine if that is what you are going for but I expected something else from something based on ASOIAF.
@animesempai0
@animesempai0 3 месяца назад
Fabien Frankel is doing a spectacular job as Criston Cole, in the books he was more of a true Knight who denied Rhaenyra, even though there was different tellings of what was going on and unreliable narrators like Mushroom. The hate he is receiving on social media is disgraceful. Yes they are actors in their show, but they are no less people. The actor who played joffrey baratheon during game of thrones face the same type of hate. Everyone let's be cordial and remember these are characters on TV.
@ShadeoftheEvening
@ShadeoftheEvening 3 месяца назад
He's a good actor if we hate him. Joffery for example. Anyone that attacks him as a person is a damn idiot🙄 IT'S PRETEND
@ShadeoftheEvening
@ShadeoftheEvening 3 месяца назад
And good storytelling
@Spongebrain97
@Spongebrain97 3 месяца назад
Jack Gleeson has stated that he did not receive hate in person for playing Joffrey. This is an urban myth that keeps getting repeated 😂
@willybiggs-rj6qt
@willybiggs-rj6qt 3 месяца назад
and lena got hate too. hopf soon the visceral reaction people are having will be seen as his good work and good writing
@ShadeoftheEvening
@ShadeoftheEvening 3 месяца назад
@@Spongebrain97 I'd never heard that before. I heard he got lots of hate
@nplusk
@nplusk 3 месяца назад
The show really seems to be saying Mushroom is straight up lying about most things instead of just embellishing
@Captain_Insano_nomercy
@Captain_Insano_nomercy 3 месяца назад
The show throws many things right put the window
@darriusbethea2373
@darriusbethea2373 3 месяца назад
Crazy part is I believe Mushroom 50% of time. I 100% believe Mushroom that Daemon & Rhaenyra experimented. I actually believe Mushroom that he rejected her horrified. Cole known her since she was 8 & it echoes Jaime rejecting Cersei. Maybe it was both maybe they had a relationship but she cheated on him with Daemon which he felt betrayed on a personal level & found disgusting giving his dislike of Daemon.
@anonymous-hz2un
@anonymous-hz2un 3 месяца назад
​@@darriusbethea2373 GRRM already spoke about this. In short: there is no truth. He makes sh*t up 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
@TravelsTTG
@TravelsTTG 3 месяца назад
@@Captain_Insano_nomercyHahahHa put. I love auto correct.
@AlexBB77
@AlexBB77 3 месяца назад
yes , at least in the show's interpretation Mushroom's accounts are for the most part being ignored says a lot ; at least in HotD's perspective. But probably overall as well being GRRM seems quite closely involved with HotD.
@MsZeeZed
@MsZeeZed 3 месяца назад
Interesting HOTD shows many of the early acts in crowning Aegon II, later attributed by history to Ser Criston, to be part of Otto’s grand plan. Could it be that later claiming these disastrous acts for House Hightower wasn’t in the interests of that continuingly powerful house in Westeros, but could easily be passed to a man whose coat of arms isn’t even recognisable to following Kingsgaurd 4 or 5 generations later? Especially if those histories have been recombined in the Citadel under direct Hightower patronage. Sublimely sly echoing of how true history works, were Ser Criston’s later acts as a battle commander (that he’s killed for) are grievous enough to overshadow the “trivial” actions of Otto, that change the fates of a whole continent to please his overbearing brother.
@Trucker0308
@Trucker0308 3 месяца назад
I don’t think Tristan was wrong in regards to Rhaenyra and her children because even if she did ascend the iron throne after King Viseras’s death the question still remains, “the Strong Boys”? After her death you would’ve still had Lords from all over the realm protesting the bastard ascending the Iron Throne so either way the Dance of Dragons would’ve still happened. King Visaerys is the MAIN REASON why it all happened, 1 for Marrying his daughter off to a KNOWN homosexual 2 not stripping Rhaenyra of being heir to the iron throne and Princess of Dragon Stone and making Aegon Rightful Air to The Iron Throne knowing DAMN WELL his daughter was mothering bastards. You can even make the argument that it was King Jaehaerys who was the one who actually put the wheels in motion for this disaster to happen when he held a Rigged election at Harrenhal strategically choosing Visaerys as heir to the Throne instead of Rhaenys
@cristianespinal9917
@cristianespinal9917 2 месяца назад
Yes, but you would have had similar issues had Rhaenys taken the throne. Laenor would've been next in line and he would've had a tough time producing an heir. Either Visaerys or Rhaenys would've led down to a scenario with no clear heir, the difference is that Visaerys had a couple of choices that could've averted war. Marrying Daemon instead of Laenor to Rhaenyra to consolidate their claim would have been a strong move as well as naming Aegon heir once it was clear Rhaenyra's children weren't Laenor's. Unfortunately, he tried to force a happy-family dynamic with his attitude while increasing its dysfunction with his actions.
@awesomehpt8938
@awesomehpt8938 3 месяца назад
The Targaryens may ride dragons but queen Alicent rides Ser Criston Cole
@itsmainelyyou5541
@itsmainelyyou5541 3 месяца назад
Ayuh, she's riding the white steed apparently.
@Darkness-ie2yl
@Darkness-ie2yl 3 месяца назад
And dragons breath is hot, but I wonder what his is like 🍣🐠
@brendalaughigan9330
@brendalaughigan9330 2 месяца назад
You're being smug, and losing friends again.
@dvornikovalexei
@dvornikovalexei 2 месяца назад
Based True Queen. Maegor with tits could never
@agm5424
@agm5424 3 месяца назад
It's clear that the show writers have a bias towards the dragon stone faction are are doing everything they can to make the High tower faction look bad.
@jerichoroad5814
@jerichoroad5814 3 месяца назад
I fully disagree. You're the only one I've seen feel this, everyone else feels they've made an equal argument for both. I mean, shit, the blacks, killed a child, look at the comment sections.
@tacituskilgore875
@tacituskilgore875 3 месяца назад
They made both factions less problematic. Before the show Aemond was a psychopath and Rhaenyra was a cruel spoiled hoe, they also gave Alicent an actual personality that wasn't beefing a 9 years old. Cole was mysterious in the books. We didn't know his motives, he just seemed to be more cunning.
@lemmingrad
@lemmingrad 3 месяца назад
@@jerichoroad5814I seen it a lot on Reddit people accusing the show of being pro-Black and anti-Green, instead of just making both sides just be bad period.
@gabbidurham
@gabbidurham 2 месяца назад
YES! Characters on both sides got a face lift in the adaptation. In the Queen and the Princess, Alicent is much more of a wicked stepmother to Rhaenyra and ten years older while both Aegon and Daemon are child predators known to sleep with underaged girls. They literally made Alicent a child bride in order for her character to be more sympathetic because the age gap between her and Viserys in the book is like ten years.
@screamingseal4805
@screamingseal4805 Месяц назад
@@jerichoroad5814no they have not lmao and no he isn’t
@FedupAmerican1982
@FedupAmerican1982 2 месяца назад
Love these character profiles! Do more!
@clownpendotfart
@clownpendotfart 3 месяца назад
Criston Cole seems to personally dislike Rhaenyra, but his speech at the Green Council also denounced Daemon & Laenor. I think the Council-member who seems more decidedly anti-Rhaenyra than pro-Green was Larys Strong, who did a lot to undermine Rhaenyra even after she seized the city he was hiding in, then betrayed Aegon II after Rhaenyra was dead and her son Aegon III was in line to inherit. Loras didn't take KG vows until after the Battle of Blackwater. The Rainbow Guard didn't appear to take similar oaths, which is why there are members that still hold titles to land.
@natedorney7032
@natedorney7032 2 месяца назад
Cole was the westerosi equivalent of Richard Neville, Earl Of Warwick during the wars of the roses.
@kineticstar
@kineticstar 3 месяца назад
Cole was the saltiest ex ever to ex. Homie decided to destroy a family and a country out of spite.
@Greendalewitch
@Greendalewitch 3 месяца назад
@@kineticstar he wasnt even a ex. They were just fuck buddies.
@nont18411
@nont18411 3 месяца назад
Which is so realistic it’s very scary. I mean, he looks like many of the “nice guys” who thought that the girls they like owe them relationship and became bitter that they didn’t get their feelings reciprocated.
@venomousspecifics45
@venomousspecifics45 3 месяца назад
I think it’s more complicated. She pursues him when she is basically his boss, so he can’t really say no but he also can’t say yes (because of his oaths). I think that Rynerea basically raped him. He was not in a position to freely consent to a relationship between. Of course he is angry. She stole his honor and then dismissed his attempt to redeem his honor by running away. I don’t think that Rynerea intentionally set out to rape him, but she didn’t think through the power differential between them. Probably because the sex ed she received was really bad and didn’t cover the importance of consent.
@nont18411
@nont18411 3 месяца назад
@@venomousspecifics45 Yeah, but his response is that he’s gonna put the whole continent through war thanks to her rejection. Millions will die because of him. Is that a healthy thing to do? I don’t think so.
@porungadaddy9053
@porungadaddy9053 3 месяца назад
@@venomousspecifics45Perfectly said!
@AUTISTIC_LEGAL_SYSTEM
@AUTISTIC_LEGAL_SYSTEM 3 месяца назад
Robert! What happened to your Traveler's Guide To Westeros videos?!?!
@TWRpresents
@TWRpresents 3 месяца назад
Yes, what happened to the Travellers Guide???
@bombadillo
@bombadillo 3 месяца назад
I believe he said before that he is re-doing them with new info.
@samuelleask1132
@samuelleask1132 3 месяца назад
He’s remaking them
@AlexBB77
@AlexBB77 3 месяца назад
yes Robert said he is remaking them taking into account new information that has come out since many of the original TG installments released - be it Fire and Blood , GRRM's public statements via various mediums and HotD etc.
@cardenova
@cardenova 3 месяца назад
Thank you for making a video about that great chapter in AFFC! That very dialogue between Loras & Jaime actually ends the entire chapter with those exact lines, making it feel impactful, which is why I found it so perplexing. I was originally unsure as to what Jaime was trying to convey to Loras; I have not read F&B or WOIAF so I often wondered whether he mentioned him in a positive (semi-admiring) or as negative/cautionary way, or even whether it was directed to Loras or Jaime himself. You’ve made it clear that the answer of course is likely all of the above (though mostly negative, as I suspected, now that I know how he was spoken of in F&B). It highlights perfectly the internal conflict Jaime is undergoing. Overall, I find him to be one of the more realistic villains, which is likely why it makes so many of us disgusted with him. I love the concept of his character as a historical “echo” of infamy. Great job, Rob!
@TheWhiteDragon3
@TheWhiteDragon3 3 месяца назад
I personally like the show changes that diminish Criston's impact on the war. A single person starting a war is, after all, a quite unrealistic and rare thing. Diminishing him to a supporting character who nonetheless makes the situation so much worse than it needs to be through his petty revenges and blame deflection fits him better and can be more easily portrayed to a modern audience.
@MichaelMedici61W2
@MichaelMedici61W2 3 месяца назад
As usual phenomenal video Robert thank you .. Cole wasn’t solely responsible. He was mostly responsible.
@Lazarus1095
@Lazarus1095 2 месяца назад
Criston Cole is basically everything that Jorah Mormont was accused of being, and wasn't: a self-centered, spoiled child who demanded love and threw tantrums when he didn't get it.
@Dennis_The_Peasant
@Dennis_The_Peasant 2 месяца назад
It's entirely possible that Jorah was exactly like that in his younger years and learned from his mistakes at somepoint. The entire time he's w Dany he clearly feels some shame/regret about how things ended between him and his dad. The difference is Cole never got humbled.
@RyenPacino
@RyenPacino 2 месяца назад
@@Dennis_The_PeasantCole got humbled for sure, when Pate denied his single combat and got a few arrows instead
@shanesalyers5433
@shanesalyers5433 3 месяца назад
It seems to me that Cole's portrayal in Fire and Blood and the history lessons is a result of Hightower (and thusly maesters) pulling blame from themselves and placing it at the foot of a man equally involved but notably incapable of defending himself after the fact. To anyone complaing his character has been "ruined": he is exactly what everyone says he is. He placed the crown on Aegon's head, he violently supported the Greens and fought Rhaenyra and we have yet to see how he uses his new influence in the show to continue to be a villain. He is the Kingmaker, but he's also a man. There are no "perfect villains" in any ASoIF plotline. He is flawed and the embellishments placed on his character over a century and a half later are surely reflective of his importance, but also the influence of those who he supported (and survived). As always, fantastic analysis, and great video!
@shanesalyers5433
@shanesalyers5433 3 месяца назад
Also, the parallels to Jaime in the video have me imagine that calling Cole "Kingmaker" demonstrates as much involvement in causing the Dance as calling Jaime "Kingslayer" demonstrates his involvement in Robert's Rebellion. Each moniker is very interesting to reflect on
@nont18411
@nont18411 3 месяца назад
@@shanesalyers5433 Somehow a “kingslayer” is much more honorable than a “kingmaker”. Classic GRRM subversion.
@rockoutmichigan
@rockoutmichigan 3 месяца назад
Delete this shit opinion.
@verycool2050
@verycool2050 3 месяца назад
absolutely
@clownpendotfart
@clownpendotfart 3 месяца назад
No, he's not "exactly what everyone says he is" on the show. He exhibits none of the "best" qualities of the KG, he kills Joffrey at a dinner instead of a tourney (where they'd both be competing with each other while wearing opposite favors), he's never shown defeating Harwin Breakbones in a contest, he's not named Lord Commander by King Viserys, and his affair with Alicent is entirely invented for the show rather than GRRM's writing. Not only does that contradict his own earlier rejection of being a queen's paramore, if he had actually been in Alicent's chambers during the night of Blood & Cheese he would have been able to prevent it because that's precisely where B&C went in the text to tie up Alicent & wait for Helaena!
@devantaraazof4365
@devantaraazof4365 3 месяца назад
Criston Cole: If there is to be battle here, many of your own will die as well. Roderick Dustin(Commander of the Winter Wolves): That's why we come. Winter's here. Time for us to go. No better way to die than sword in hand.
@offtopic8438
@offtopic8438 2 месяца назад
My man was minding his own business, doing his night shift duty of guarding her, when that woman seduced him and caused him to break his oath. This innocent, simple guy thought it was love, only to later realize it meant nothing to her and that she had greater ambitions. He subsequently successfully ruined it and caused the downfall of the entire dynasty. A hundred years later, another man, Robert Baratheon, was minding his own business and enjoying his life when another Targaryen (descendant of the same woman) hurt his feelings. He finished the job that Cole started.
@fourfours9928
@fourfours9928 2 месяца назад
"I didn't break my oath. She made me break my oath!"
@jennafox8556
@jennafox8556 2 месяца назад
I love Ser Criston. 🤬 the haters!
@HardReadSerRose
@HardReadSerRose 2 месяца назад
He's unimaginably based and the only reason people hate him is because he is a commoner with royalty level scandals to his name.
@Greendalewitch
@Greendalewitch 3 месяца назад
Christon Cole: Ser Bitterlot Lord Larys = Mr Feet Alicent = Ms Eternal Victim Rhanerya = Ms I am the queen. There is not a single morally good character in this series, and I love it.
@Superbatmanbro
@Superbatmanbro 3 месяца назад
😂😂 and Daemon : sir oh shit I fucked up
@ShadeoftheEvening
@ShadeoftheEvening 3 месяца назад
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@ShadeoftheEvening
@ShadeoftheEvening 3 месяца назад
​@@SuperbatmanbroI don't think he cares😁
@noblegalifreyan4551
@noblegalifreyan4551 3 месяца назад
People really don't know what incel is anymore. It's just used as catch all term
@HandleMyBallsYouTube
@HandleMyBallsYouTube 3 месяца назад
@@noblegalifreyan4551 Sir Acts like an Incelot doesn't roll off the tongue the same way, people do know what an incel is, you just don't know what a joke is.
@jeffcordova9633
@jeffcordova9633 3 месяца назад
The way he chastised and berated Sir Erryk about guarding the Heir... makes me want to see the Butchers Ball
@ricardorivera181
@ricardorivera181 3 месяца назад
Do you think there are any parallels or juxtapositions between Cole’s storyline and that of the Kingbreaker, Barristan Selmy? Feel like the name was chosen for a purpose, especially because Barristan was also involved in a coup. Hopefully things work out for Barristan the Bold when we get Winds.
@Fitchy-ke3wz
@Fitchy-ke3wz 2 месяца назад
I like the show interpretation of the dance as a tragic misunderstanding and loss of control of the dragons tbh.
@paulcato3434
@paulcato3434 3 месяца назад
I feel like the Kingmaker monkier is a Maester/Hightower retcon to try and obscure their anti-Targ meddling. Even if it happened as it did in the show those factions could still blame Cole in the histories.
@libbon4060
@libbon4060 2 месяца назад
I think his role as Kingmaker in the perceived history is because of his unimpressive background. The Hightowers, who were largely responsible, and the Lannisters wouldn't like to be known as the start of treason. He was an easy scapegoat to keep the realm together. Imagine Aegon the III. going after those houses. To keep the peace, Cole was portrayed as the main culprit.
@fakjbf3129
@fakjbf3129 3 месяца назад
I think it’s pretty obvious that George did not have a clear idea of the events of the Dance of Dragons when he wrote the last book. Then when he wrote the “World of Ice and Fire” and later “Fire and Blood” he had to reconcile how much he had built up Cole’s impact with his new lore that very much has him as one of many important figures during the war.
@akchanneltv4084
@akchanneltv4084 3 месяца назад
I’m wondering what you and most other people think about some of the changes from the book. In the book he seemed more decisive, cold and cutthroat. I honestly don’t know if I enjoy some of the changes the show made, not because I don’t enjoy villains, but because he seems so cartoonishly evil, like a bitter jealous ex-boyfriend.
@Captain_Insano_nomercy
@Captain_Insano_nomercy 3 месяца назад
Cole is 1000% worse in the show and it's not even a debate In the book he is Kingmaker, in the show he is an incompetent, pretty boy puppy dog who fails upwards. He is not a man of will and action like the book version. In the books he is a schemer and a player of the game, while in the show he is a reactionary; he doesn't really DO anything in the show for the most part They took a villain who could have been Darth Vader and made him into a joke
@shanesalyers5433
@shanesalyers5433 3 месяца назад
​@Captain_Insano_nomercy you're saying that just as he's coming to power in the show. I'm hopeful we'll see more of that cold and calculating come out as he is now Hand. We started to see it in S2 E2 with his assassination plot, but he's only just coming to his full strength politically.
@Captain_Insano_nomercy
@Captain_Insano_nomercy 3 месяца назад
@shanesalyers5433 unfortunately I think too much damage has been done to the character already to turn it around, but we may at least get some shadow of what could have been
@shanesalyers5433
@shanesalyers5433 3 месяца назад
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy I mean no offense by this, but I hope you're wrong lol. Regardless, the show is entertaining and I'm hyped to see more.
@Captain_Insano_nomercy
@Captain_Insano_nomercy 3 месяца назад
@shanesalyers5433 oh no, trust me, I hope I'm wrong too. I want the character to be good, I just don't have much hope. I would think they would have made him that way by now if that's what they had wanted to begin with
@reflectiverambling1148
@reflectiverambling1148 3 месяца назад
ONly for you, dear Robert, would I willingly subject myself to a /Crispy/ video.... yes, there are limits to my 'play nice, everyone has character favs' demeanor.
@BenjaminMooreinJapan
@BenjaminMooreinJapan 3 месяца назад
Another great explainer. Have you ever explained in a video why you pronounce "Viserys" differently from all the adaptations (and differently from how you pronounce the same syllable in "Visenya")?
@Darkness-ie2yl
@Darkness-ie2yl 3 месяца назад
our pet peeves are interesting...
@JustaMomThatSims
@JustaMomThatSims 3 месяца назад
Greay character study.
@AniSwiftTVRecaps
@AniSwiftTVRecaps 3 месяца назад
in the books both the fcking authors said bro didn't sleep with the princess show writers: yea we gonna make him do it anyways like wtf they even took away bros kingmaker speech like why
@Captain_Insano_nomercy
@Captain_Insano_nomercy 3 месяца назад
He isn't even a kingmaker in the show, he is just a pretty boy idiot who failed up. The kingmaker is a schemer and architect, a ruthless social climber; show version Cole is one tenth of the character that the book implied
@rockoutmichigan
@rockoutmichigan 3 месяца назад
I fucking hate modern Hollywood.
@porungadaddy9053
@porungadaddy9053 3 месяца назад
Yep. It sucks.
@verycool2050
@verycool2050 3 месяца назад
it's the histories that are slanted buddy. figure it out
@AniSwiftTVRecaps
@AniSwiftTVRecaps 3 месяца назад
@@verycool2050 so if two authors on opposing sides write that an apple is red then they make a movie about an apple and make it green does this make sense in your head. I'm guessing you never even read the damn books why did I even reply to this sigh
@MariaVosa
@MariaVosa 3 месяца назад
Criston Cole deserves the name Kingmaker, because as Captain of the Kingsguard his choice to support Aegon's claim was decisive. If he had not, the Green council would have been in an untenable position, because it's unlikely the others in the Kingsguard would have gone against him. He is probably in a position to order most of the castle guards as well. He could have thrown Otto, Alicent and her children in prison. His support was the linchpin that everything hinged on. It's Vary's parable again - Cole was the man with the sword, and power lay with whoever he chose to support. But yes - he was far from the only one to blame. Otto and Alicent are the most culpable, for deciding to go against the king's chosen heir.
@bills1967
@bills1967 2 месяца назад
I wonder if they call him the kingmaker to also hide as much of the hightowers involvement in the war and pushing that blame of honor into someone else.
@Bargadiel
@Bargadiel 3 месяца назад
He set brother against sister, and brother against brother.
@verycool2050
@verycool2050 3 месяца назад
all for a woman. very mark antony
@galisleo8737
@galisleo8737 3 месяца назад
Suggestions: 1) Can you make a tier list of the best fighters in The Song of Ice And Fire? 2) Can you make a character study of Areo Hotah? For some reason I can't explain he is my favorite character. I like his calm confidence. Thanks!
@DarkKing009
@DarkKing009 3 месяца назад
An excellent character analysis, great job
@mahmoudahmedshalabi
@mahmoudahmedshalabi 3 месяца назад
I hope the Dance of the Dragons teaches all of us important lessons of the heart and mind. Criston Cole ia a disgusting piece of work. Complex and fascinating, but horrid. The moment he had murdered Lord Beesbury at the small council, a feeling of horror came over me as I saw him snap in the heat of dominance. I'm still disturbed by that brilliant bit of tv.
@Uhtred-the-bold
@Uhtred-the-bold 3 месяца назад
This show tho. Man it is really good
@jotaro2690
@jotaro2690 3 месяца назад
Lets go cole
@walkerlamebrain
@walkerlamebrain 3 месяца назад
I can't love this video enough for being the most real 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@thechairman74
@thechairman74 3 месяца назад
Any institution or concept created for a fiction involving very strict rules of conduct and behavior specifically exists to test characters and isn't meant to be something that realistically exist. Jon breaks his vows as a Night's Watchman, and all the other King's guards break their vows.
@ozlemdenli7763
@ozlemdenli7763 2 месяца назад
thank you
@blahblah273
@blahblah273 3 месяца назад
Should Cole be named The King Maker? Should Jaime be named The King Slayer? It seems much like many monikers neither are truly appropriate.
@clownpendotfart
@clownpendotfart 3 месяца назад
Jaime indisputably killed King Aerys II.
@ryanmullen8649
@ryanmullen8649 3 месяца назад
On broad terms, The Kingmaker started a civil war, and the Kingslayer ended one.
@alexanderzack3720
@alexanderzack3720 3 месяца назад
ser cole seems to be able to see the future. he claims the realm is doomed when they sit a bastard on the throne. and in game of thrones the realm goes to shite as soon as robert dies and joffrey becomes king
@clownpendotfart
@clownpendotfart 3 месяца назад
To be fair, there's a self-fulfilling aspect to it. A civil war occurs because Ned asserts Joffrey is a bastard who cannot be king.
@ValGur-97
@ValGur-97 Месяц назад
Bro decided to RUN away with the hair to the throne and thought she’d agree
@hunkydory8437
@hunkydory8437 Месяц назад
Him and Alicent sharing delusions
@UthruilSlawson
@UthruilSlawson 3 месяца назад
What happened to your Robert's Rebellion series?
@jotaro2690
@jotaro2690 3 месяца назад
Cool cole
@TheStaticJedi
@TheStaticJedi 3 месяца назад
The way I hate Criston Cole is the same way he hates Rhaenyra or Kendrick hates Drake
@KicktheSky34
@KicktheSky34 3 месяца назад
I have a feeling that show Christian is going end up taking the fall for Team Green more than actually do anything himself.
@porungadaddy9053
@porungadaddy9053 3 месяца назад
Ten whole years and he didn’t get over his failed relationship.
@daffyduck3536
@daffyduck3536 3 месяца назад
Ser Chiponmyshoulder of House Getoverit
@alexmartin3143
@alexmartin3143 3 месяца назад
Yeah where was he when poor little Jaharys lost his head…
@itspronouncednikolaj333
@itspronouncednikolaj333 2 месяца назад
I wonder how the story would go if Ctiston agreed to being Rheanyras paramour and her kids would be with him
@SHARKVADERS
@SHARKVADERS 3 месяца назад
I D G !!!!!!
@woodbridgesfinest1904
@woodbridgesfinest1904 2 месяца назад
Very informative, thanks. I hate the character in the show but I suppose that's by design.
@Blastanker
@Blastanker 2 месяца назад
I feel like the worst thing the show did in regards to ignoring source material is taking away criston Cole’s moniker as “kingmaker” it’s so important for his character. Bit sad
@SpaceViking2000
@SpaceViking2000 3 месяца назад
I like Ser Criston. I thought his story was very interesting and when he showed up in the TV show he looked cool. Then he turned out to be a snake, but my damn loyalty runs deep. Damn 😅
@Tim_with_Tomes_and_Tales
@Tim_with_Tomes_and_Tales 3 месяца назад
IMO, Cole (in both the book and the show) decided to betray his Knights vows, allowing personal desires and vengeance to either neglect or alter his duty. He was an oathbreaker and was emotionally tainted by it ever since. Loras Tyrell seemed ambitious. Whether for Renly, his house, or himself, idk for sure, but it seems every decision he makes is in pursuit for advancement in some way. His story is cut short to see how his ambition would corrupt him and his knightly duty. Jamie Lannister is also an oathbreaker. One might forgive him for killing the mad king and saving the people of King's Landing, but he still had a relationship with his sister and fathered her children. We see his willingness to betray the truth and his vows to protect, to allow war to prevent his and his family's dishonor from becoming known.
@clownpendotfart
@clownpendotfart 3 месяца назад
Jaime was planning on violating his KG oaths with his sister from the beginning. She convinced him joining the KG would permit them to be together, so that's actually the reason he joined!
@Tim_with_Tomes_and_Tales
@Tim_with_Tomes_and_Tales 3 месяца назад
@clownpendotfart was it? I thought the mad king named Jamie to the kings guard when Jamie was very young because Jamie was Tywinn's heir, and the king wanted to embarrass Lord Lannister by taking away Tywinn's preferred son from the line of succession.
@clownpendotfart
@clownpendotfart 3 месяца назад
@@Tim_with_Tomes_and_Tales From Jaime II in A Storm of Swords: Jaime, meantime, had spent four years as squire to Ser Sumner Crake-hall and earned his spurs against the Kingswood Brotherhood. But when he made a brief call at King's Landing on his way back to Casterly Rock, chiefly to see his sister, Cersei took him aside and whispered that Lord Tywin meant to marry him to Lysa Tully, had gone so far as to invite Lord Hoster to the city to discuss dower. But if Jaime took the white, he could be near her always. Old Ser Harlan Grandison had died in his sleep, as was only appropriate for one whose sigil was a sleeping lion. Aerys would want a young man to take his place, so why not a roaring lion in place of a sleepy one? "Father will never consent," Jaime objected. "The king won't ask him. And once it's done, Father can't object, not openly. Aerys had Ser Ilyn Payne's tongue torn out just for boasting that it was the Hand who truly ruled the Seven Kingdoms. The captain of the Hand's guard, and yet Father dared not try and stop it! He won't stop this, either." "But," Jaime said, "there's Casterly Rock . . ." "Is it a rock you want? Or me?" He remembered that night as if it were yesterday. They spent it in an old inn on Eel Alley, well away from watchful eyes. Cersei had come to him dressed as a simple serving wench, which somehow excited him all the more. Jaime had never seen her more passionate. Every time he went to sleep, she woke him again. By morning Casterly Rock seemed a small price to pay to be near her always. He gave his consent, and Cersei promised to do the rest. A moon's turn later, a royal raven arrived at Casterly Rock to inform him that he had been chosen for the Kingsguard. He was commanded to present himself to the king during the great tourney at Harrenhal to say his vows and don his cloak.
@Tim_with_Tomes_and_Tales
@Tim_with_Tomes_and_Tales 3 месяца назад
@clownpendotfart all true. It was still the king's decision, though.
@Khaoki
@Khaoki 3 месяца назад
Frankly, I'm enjoying the change for Criston. He always came off as a petulant, short-sighted jackass with anger issues so it's good that the show is leaning fully into that instead of puffing him up as some sort of Machiavellian figure
@gesucastello1986
@gesucastello1986 2 месяца назад
Criston Cole, the bushman of the kalahari
@PrometheanRising
@PrometheanRising 2 месяца назад
Whatever happened there.
@gesucastello1986
@gesucastello1986 2 месяца назад
@@PrometheanRising he was whistling through the weatfields
@gesucastello1986
@gesucastello1986 2 месяца назад
I never understood why King vicerys kept criston around when he killed a man at the princess weding party with no provocation and he draw a sword at the king daughter yet the king never bat an aye
@norsemanbushcrafting1621
@norsemanbushcrafting1621 3 месяца назад
Obv meister/fed agent
@FatherhoodAndFitness
@FatherhoodAndFitness 3 месяца назад
Cole's RDS (Rhaenyra derangement syndrome) is hilariously reminiscent of people in western politics right now 😂
@kylehoffman1325
@kylehoffman1325 3 месяца назад
Few characters in fiction have had such potential to be awesome only to turn out to be a giant d-bag.
@neodigremo
@neodigremo 3 месяца назад
I say without hesitation Criston Cole is one of the best characters in the show and probably the most unfairly maligned. I consider him a man who was broken by the system he was forced into and who tried to retain whatever scrap of honour he could. He is one of the first victims of the games of the highborn in the story and he never truly got over it. And yes in the show at least he was a victim of rhaenyra. A result of one of her nor callous acts. Then again I also hold that the story is considerably worse if Jace and Luke are bastards. Much worse. And I think in fire and blood it is far from clear that they were. So I disagree with a decent chunk of the video (I don’t think Harwin was the baby daddy in the book timeline).
@ryankline1164
@ryankline1164 3 месяца назад
That is one helluva spoiler warning. I like it.
@AlextheSuperfly
@AlextheSuperfly 3 месяца назад
I've come across a few Criston Coles in my time; fragile, fragile little men who can only express themselves with rage and violence, who feel entitled to *stuff* and cannot ever handle the word no. If Criston the Fragile has no haters, I am dead.
@Darkness-ie2yl
@Darkness-ie2yl 3 месяца назад
I think he's just a guy who was manipulated into falling in love with the absolute wrong person. Young men do this constantly. But when your business is killing, your unmanaged frustrations might manifest in warfare.
@jennafox8556
@jennafox8556 2 месяца назад
​@@Darkness-ie2ylRhaequeera raped him and made him break his oath. Then when he tried to do the right thing and marry her (even though she's a Plain Jane and if he wasn't sexually frustrated, he never would've gone there), she discarded him like a piece of trash. He never loved her. And now, he sees that she is not a nice person.
@jennafox8556
@jennafox8556 2 месяца назад
You sound like a man-hating lesbian. No wonder your relationships don't last. LOL
@laszlofedor3463
@laszlofedor3463 2 месяца назад
the only thing because im not team green
@TravisBrady-wn8fr
@TravisBrady-wn8fr 3 месяца назад
It's like the whole story is just a painting in the gray area. Nothing definitive in any way. Which is cool. But you know. It gets predictable after awhile.
@lucaspinheiro9387
@lucaspinheiro9387 3 месяца назад
Queen slayer
@DarkKing009
@DarkKing009 3 месяца назад
Ser Criston Cole is far closer to the Hound and the mountain that rides of House Clegane. If either character knew how to calm down and turn down the intimidation. There is a certain simplicity to the character and how he perceives the world. But if you try to use them his anger and vengeance are terrible.
@akshayparikh6864
@akshayparikh6864 3 месяца назад
The show is very one-sided & sides with the Blacks. I highly doubt GRRM had much to do with it since he always writes his characters in a way that you simply can’t choose a side. The show is going out of their way to show us a Heroes VS Evil thing. I’m still going to watch the show but it’s very unfaithful to the adaptation. They just want to score WOKE POINTS with the audience. It’s disgraceful to the writer & what he had intended
@kandykane3265
@kandykane3265 3 месяца назад
Disagree. On several points. There's multiple points of view in the book, and they are remaining faithful, or as faithful as you can be when there are multiple accounts of certain events. I also think the over arching point is that history is written by the winners, so we are also seeing a version of what happened and how it got "spun" for the novel. Which I find very interesting, though sometimes a little frustrating. I also don't think they are slanting the show for Team Black. Both sides are shown in levels of disarray, though Team Green also has generational trauma, which again, fascinating. Both sides are making critical mistakes, and the most recent one was by Team Black and it was ON PURPOSE, no matter how Daemon refused to take responsibility for having a child murdered in front of it's mother. But I guess if you want a completely faithful adaptation, the book is VERY OBVIOUSLY slanted Team Green (ie, Rhaenyra was struck from the records as a ruling monarch!) so any attempts to make Team Black look like humans with feelings instead of an entire group of war crime-ing whiners will make you unhappy. But strap in, Daemon’s about to do ALL THE WAR CRIMES and make Team Black look even worse, so, there’s that. My takeaway from the novel was both sides are full of terrible people doing terrible things. Of course the show added some nuance and random redeeming qualities to these (awful) people, otherwise, the show would be boring!
@DarkKing009
@DarkKing009 3 месяца назад
Ser Criston Cole he is my Psychopathic Knight, loyal to the end. Ser Criston Cole is like a hellhound not good at anything but fighting. Though he's excellent at fighting.
@doh7932
@doh7932 3 месяца назад
He’s “Petty and a liar “
@Party4Lemons
@Party4Lemons 3 месяца назад
I think they should have played up the whole 'the Greens having no choice' angle in the show, it would have made them more sympathetic.
@abbyniloingsigh7188
@abbyniloingsigh7188 3 месяца назад
The biggest loser of all time
@idolsrule4678
@idolsrule4678 2 месяца назад
Nah, that’s the Blackfyres….. lost 4 rebellions in a row.
@WilliamJames48
@WilliamJames48 3 месяца назад
McSchemey
@lyndsay80
@lyndsay80 3 месяца назад
Ser Criston's pettiness, vindictiveness, and bitterness know no bounds.
@PJsReads
@PJsReads 3 месяца назад
The man is hypocrite
@sir_earl_grey_5530
@sir_earl_grey_5530 3 месяца назад
I like show Criston he's a man who was used by someone he loved for sex his guilt and shame was to much he begged rheynera to leave wirh him and make it right but she wouldn't in his head it was betrayal not saying hes right but I like the character
@modupeadio6408
@modupeadio6408 3 месяца назад
He might be Westeros’ first incel, damn. If he had just moved on, thousands might have still lived.
@number1headband
@number1headband 3 месяца назад
HATE EM
@jaygreen4121
@jaygreen4121 3 месяца назад
Spiller of seed 😂
@FlyWithMe_666
@FlyWithMe_666 3 месяца назад
What do you think about the very popular theory that Criston Cole hired the catspaw who tried to kill Bran in GoT? The evidence is right there!
@rivertonrock
@rivertonrock 3 месяца назад
How is that even possible?
@stevepirie8130
@stevepirie8130 3 месяца назад
He died during a peace parley when he started drawing his sword threatening the Lords he was talking to. Am sure that was a long time before Bran was born.
@rockoutmichigan
@rockoutmichigan 3 месяца назад
Another instance of the book version being FAR SUPERIOR. Hollyweird ruins everything.
@abelgonzalez158
@abelgonzalez158 3 месяца назад
I despise Cole! Just a terrible human being! Great actor but damn I hate Cole so much!!! The poor twins paid for his sins!
@rockoutmichigan
@rockoutmichigan 3 месяца назад
The show did Criston dirty... It's so fucking biased. Makes it hard to watch.
@Darkness-ie2yl
@Darkness-ie2yl 3 месяца назад
yet another person who doesn't get it. the book story is the false one 🙄
@rockoutmichigan
@rockoutmichigan 3 месяца назад
@@Darkness-ie2yl Well it's a the better story than the show.
@syntychiahintsin-tee-shaks2256
@syntychiahintsin-tee-shaks2256 3 месяца назад
Who was he is the wrong question. What was he? A piece of trash, that’s what he was. My indignation is very great in regards to this fictional character 😂
@frankydaulman2291
@frankydaulman2291 3 месяца назад
I know it's now something of an over used trope but as a noble Knight, he almost defigns toxic masculinity: so his beloved didn't reciprocate the way he wanted so he went exponentially stalker cubed. Get over yourself dude, grow a pair and move on Ser Cole my precious 😂
@TheStaticJedi
@TheStaticJedi 3 месяца назад
For real! This dude is a Kendrick Lamar level hater!
@DimirDaddy
@DimirDaddy 2 месяца назад
You know an actor is good when you hate his character this much
@nicholasmaione5694
@nicholasmaione5694 3 месяца назад
I just can’t seem to understand how he betrayed his own kids and was buddy buddy with Aemond right after he killed Cristons son
@SilkBuckets
@SilkBuckets 3 месяца назад
Guy also needs some psychoanalysis 😂😂
@lee-st6fo
@lee-st6fo 3 месяца назад
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