Crossmen Drumline 1992 Finals Lot 

Are you talking about Russ? Russ was an instructor at Johnstown (I marched snareline in high school as a junior and senior) in 1993-94!!

Yeah, I thought that was cool too. Shame they didn't win drums, but my goodness was this line still golden, definitely a stand out from the 90s

I made those scoops at Millersville University from a handmade wooden form and vacuum formed Sintra foamed plastic. Black rubber automotive hose for the edge and hole trim. Handmade aluminum clips to attach them ro the bottom snare hoops.. They were one of a kind and only used for '91 and '92, I think.

@bkbass98 The downvoters probably think there isn’t enough spandex, dancing, or massive drag-triplet decelerandos with sticks above their heads. And they probably believe there’s way too much wrist in the snare technique.

I marched with Southwind in 1982. You were 10 yrs later. Cool

90-92 were three amazing years in a row musically

Anyone aware of where snare and tenor charts might be found? Been curious for years.

Brian Hartmann agreed!

Yes! There is no "pulsating" when they play buzz rolls!

they got 4th in drums ? what did SCV get that year. That was an all-star line from santa clara.

2nd in field percussion too, only behind cavies

BuzJr Cool! Who was he? He was very lucky to be a part of something that sadly is very very rare. Talk to him about it!

Your dad should have a wallet with the letters BMF

If your dad was in this line have him message me. I have an audio cassette the drumline left on the field after retreat in 1993 and I’ve been trying to find someone who marched in their drum line that year.

One of the Snear players want and Marched for the same High School Drum line I marched in Virginia Beach his name is Scott Smith

Congrats! Your dad was on one of the most respected DCI lines ever.

funny cause I think SCV was best drums in '92 and both weren't even top 6. Crossman definitely turned heads this year.

Do they simply not do flams anymore in today’s books?

​@@agogobell28 this dude hasn't been watching, there's hella flams, check boston

Yessireee....

David Turner say what???? star 93 adopted crossmen's style from early 90's?!?! I had to read that a few times to make sure my eyes weren't playing tricks. Nothing could be farther from the truth. My mind is blown with the inaccuracy of that comparison. ‪

David Turner I think everyone still enjoyed having different styles. To be honest nobody seen Star coming. The copy of a copy started 91 with vangaurd and was finalized in 94 by blue devil's soooo. In the drum corps world ... Be like Scott.

Bizarre comment from David Turner... I cannot think of a drumline with a better quality of sound and, groove than 1992 Crossmen. In 1993 they still had this sense of attack but the drums were already being raised a touch. Their groove comes from the arms - more blood flows (looser) than the wrists-only techniques. But, to get a groups of players to buy into a somewhat non-standard approach can take a couple of years (look at Cavaliers from the same era - completely opposite; still great but, with a MUCH stiffer feel because of the LOW end focus and, elbows nailed to the body). Back to David Turner's comment... the only adoptions that I remember as they pertain to the stylistic/techniques of Crossmen and Star involve Crossmen's switch to mylar heads in 1994. Check out 1992 Star clips and 1994 Crossmen clips... there will be times when you won't distinguish between the two lines. But, yeah... 93 Star drumming and 1992 Crossmen drumming are worlds apart. (And, anyone touting the 1993 Star line as something beyond the Crossmen line is either deaf or, a liar.... there simply is not a better snare line to be found on video than the one above...ticks and all. They played flam taps for a reason and inverted those flam taps for the sake of sound - changing the sound. Open. Close. That's why they grooved so hard. Crack that whip. Let those arms swing, not for some fake-hype spider-visual effect alone... but for the sake of SOUND and flow.

As a brass guy who wasn’t alive for half of the 90s, what makes this playing style so unique? I’m asking this out of pure curiosity, not facetiousness. I love the way it sounds, but was there just a different playing technique involved, or what? What made them so untraditional?

@John John Great analysis. These guys melded wrist and arm motion so fluidly. You could see the same thing building in ‘91 as well. There wasn’t the flailing monkey arm technique of today, just efficient power. And you’re dead-on about ‘93 Star. That book was a radical, minimalist departure from what we saw here. I till think they were better in the finals than the Cadets, though, but that’s just me.

Yep. It is, indeed, a fact :)

@Jonathan Roberts Did you March with them and you know Scott Smith

1.) there is no such thing as "high school" or "corps" quad sets... Cadets marched smaller toms during the mid 80's and won 3 championships with them... 2.) Crossmen marched 10-12-13-14 with a 6" spok in both 1991 & 1992

I Stomp Conservative Ass What years did the Cadets use them?

It was, yes.

It helps with keeping clean. I make my students do the same when I can focus on it.

TUK! Funny meeting you here.

Not at present, but I'll write it out for you. It'll be handwritten, but legible.

That would very much appreciated.

I'll get to it at some point. The angle is tough, it'll probably be easier to transcribe off the finals vid. That's how I did my Cadets 2005 transcription which you may see on my page if you'd like. Anything you want, snare tenor or bass, let me know.

Really? To date? Also its very simple to hear whats going on.

***** Yes, "to date". Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Wasn't mylar, but Premiere Tenduras. Tuned non-insanely so the guts resonated some to sound like drums.

David B Do you have any idea what type of Premier HTS series these guys were using? They look like 484s but I could be wrong.

Nope. We had scoops at Spirit in 1980.

Dude, what are you even talking about?

+BMWMarv It does not matter what i said, as long as i am right...The BEST as you say, have ONE creed...evaluate WHAT IS said, not HOW it is said...i learned that from others, that are great... what you are hearing from me, is mixed with what you do not understand. ...1970's studio drummers... Boston, Chicaco, Journey, Yes...all the fusion bands that have A TON of grease and push the beat...Listen to their DCI counter parts...they push the beat... listen to the 80's, drummers, they were great, but the tempo was slightly on the backside of the beat...listen to DCI, you will see a parallel compared to 80's drummers. by the late 80's time was not that good...and 90's? good studio drummers but TOTALLY DRAGGING... Listen to 1970's and early 80's great high school marching bands...you will see their story... the drumlines and tempo control, got worse and worse. the 70's and early 80's had a impeccable tempo, then slowly and slowly they got sloppier...not until , DCI ensemble instructors kicked in by the late 90's, using metronomes and DCI ensemble techniques, perfected by the CADETS...WASN'T there a HUGE FLUX of DCI'S finest talent teaching high school in the late 90's and NOT BEFORE? but DCI by the late 90's LOST SOUL, going to fast , adopting the FALL OUT VICTORY over CADETS VS. STAR in the 1993 shoot out, of who marches faster, and plays at higher tempo!!! So eventually, high schools turned into crappy clones of a NOW, SQUARE DCI... The only high school bands i can stand watching are the top contenders of BOA... Historical Comparison of Tempo Push: perfect example: BUDDY RICH....there is a video that shows 1940 - 1987...and ALL HIS SOLOS... In 1950-60, he was TIGHT, He pushed the beat...but a little less sophisticated, in 1970ish, He pulled on the beat, lost a little of his push, but was more sophisticated... comparison was made from same songs, at same tempos. DITTO with a video of BILLY COBHAM, from 1960- 1980. After careful analysis, of a 20 year span, of these musicians and the DCI era counterparts, you will see a parallel through the late 90's... In the past 25 years, DCI adopted 1993's FAST AND VISUAL as CONVENTION... Dont you see ALL OF DCI NOW, are born from 1993? So in conclusion after researching 30 years of musical history, and performance: It is a fact, that 1970's drummers were better time keepers and pushed the beat, just like the fusion bands and the eras DCI counterparts... I get thumbs up with my comments from OLD HEADS, that marched 1992 and before...but NO THUMBS UP, from 2000-2015...why is that?

WAIT...HAHA...is your comment addressed to "BRIAN HEAD" or "Stupid N*****"? your comment is listed as a response to my comment, though it is not addressed me...i saw that later, HAHA...or did you mean to address me, BRIAN HEAD?

:) yep :)