CRYPTOPSY@Slit Your Guts-Flo Mounier-Live in Brutal Assault 2017 (Drum Cam) 

Sloppy????

Sounds like any minute shit could go off the rails and I love it 🤘

Death metal drumming is basically crazy hectic jazz played fast and hard. Any good jazz drummer could make an excellent death metal drummer and vice versa. It’s just the violence knob that needs to be jacked lol

It is sloppy. And that's why we love him

bah non@@Hedonite

Some people like it sloppy. And the rest of you should learn to enjoy it too lol

Whenever someone says that, I just reply with "but the slop is the point.." Its fucking death metal

​@chillhopdrumz1862 Just tuned into this comment after randomly hitting play on this video after 3 years.. You're absolutely right.. It's that natural on the scene "slop" that really makes it so good.. The studio version is just editing to make sound as intended but to be able to do these things live is really something else..

I mean not for George Kolias, Derick Roddy, Or Inferno​@@chillhopdrumz1862

For real. None So Vile blew my fucking mind 20 years ago, and got me into extreme metal.

Same here! Heard Phobophile on the radio in 2006 and was instantly hooked. I later went and looked up the 1993 demo and Blasphemy Made Flesh, shit was insane, loved how strangely relaxing some of the songs were, like Abigor.

Abigor is THEEE song that got me into Cryptopsy and extreme metal.. Heard it on a compilation demo and was hooked ever since..

He is the fuckin g.o.a.t.

He isn't sloppy though. The album sounds the same. He does slightly offbeat blasts a lot.

This. He's actually improvising a lot of those fills. He's played the song surely millions of times by now and I'm sure he has it memorized. I'm gonna truthfully state that the majority of extreme metal drummers are boring these days. They're robots. You want that? Program a drum machine and it's infallible -- it'll play the same thing every single time perfectly 100% of the time. Jazz and tech death metal (which was clearly highly influenced by jazz) was never about being perfect. I guess now it is, but the fills and improv particularly in a live setting when everyone knows the damn song is what makes drumming INTERESTING even to other drummers. I'm gonna think, "oh shit sick! He just pulled improv!" if I see a drummer do something different live. The singer is allowed to break up the song and shout, "1234" but the drummer can't have those liberties as long as he's still holding it down? That's a bit illogical. A recording where the band is on strict metronome practice and does the same song upwards of thousands of times to get the perfect take is very different. Hell, look at the godfather of prog drumming. The man has the most ridiculous kit ever and completely does improv live which people go crazy for. Flo is a good drummer that's busted his ass and devoted his life to playing the drums, recording, and touring (the world at that). The man can have some fucking fun because frankly he's earned it. Those perfectionist armchair theorists can't play this shit anyways. Constant double bass also gets goddamn boring. It lost the, "oh my God how does anyone do this" a long time ago. A straight 4 gets boring. How many drummers drop their 4 for a fill? A lot do. Extreme metal has brainwashed people to believe that the only way to keep time is via constant double bass which gets really goddamn uninteresting really fast.

He was absolutely never a jazz player. He got away with playing fast and sloppy back in the day. Drummers are more proficient now. He just needs to clean up his playing a technique. This is a classic song. And he is a cool guy.

Da fuck you talking about Jazz player?? You should get off the meth, bro!!!

exactly where is the jazz influence in this? Lmfao

pravused 8

pravused Hell man, I don't practice enough to be good at any level so all I can do is just appreciate the skill.

Well said. I just saw him live the other night and I love how he just seems to improvise and play in the moment instead of trying to “perfect” his parts. He’s a beast. Great when I saw him in 1999, great again in 2019.

@@jamesmiller6217 I saw Cryptopsy in Toronto. Shit was fucking nuts. I love his style, he has such a rocker/all out style of playing I can really appreciate. Really hits his shit good.

@Andrew telling flo mournier to perfect his craft lulz

One of the very best

Yes i agree, my favorite is Benedictine Convulsions

Wait until you hear the album "Kingdom of Downfall" by Parricide.

He's always been sloppy and he knows it too

@@behindthen0thing that's really refreshing to hear after listening to Mike Mangini play, he's fucking Superior Drummer 3 in flesh disguise

@@alexsartandmusic flo told me himself. he's his own worst critic

People always criticize drummers that play faster than normal, same thing came and went with Aaron Kitcher and Dave McGraw.

@@behindthen0thing и почему же он неряха?

No one is perfect live

He obviously lacks warm up here

I'll take a somewhat sloppy drummer his chops over any modern death metal drummer with a triggered kit connected to a drum machine.

Is he still with the band Cryptopsy? Bc I heard some of their new shit with a different singer and didn't care for it.

@@williamsmith666 you can do that? Make the bass pedals and other shit line up with a drum machine?

For sure

hahahaha 😂

Sing?

I'm still laughing 😂😂😂

You've got the text wrong mate...

@@galvinatrium You don't say!

Oscar Flores wow great catch

That was my first thought when he hit the snare for the first time😂

Why has he put it off first?

@@michaelsemenov4527 The snare chain vibes like crazy in between songs. Since the snare is mic, drummers put it off.

He is using triggers so I don't think he even needs them.

Poop Da

maybe by a swing drummer

More like extreme polka.

Who hates on Flo? Inferior drummers that use him as an excuse for their incompetence, that haven't been playing with a band for a generation?

Well there are drummers that are better and cleaner. And in a world where everything is on the internet, there are bound to be comparisons. And if this guy is getting hyped for being great, but there are hundreds of other examples of superior drummers, he will be hated on, naturally. This was a sloppy performance. Faster than me on the pedals, but I can probably compete with him on his cleanliness and hand chops.

@@300kike do the same song and we will compare.

@@mattbell555 that's the weakest argument ever. I don't have to sing to know a bad singer. I drum, not this genre so I won't try. I'm not saying this guy sucks, but it's dirty and inconsistent and there are thousands who can do it better

@@300kike you said yourself that you could compete with him. So do it !

Iceforgedstormborn . He is one of the tastiest metal drummers in the scene!

agree

Not to mention probably a little tired too.

Scott Hull of Pd?

anyone hating on the drums in the comments is simply jealous wishing they had even 1% of the skill

yes i can, i met the singer at heavy montreal 2019 and its a super sweet guy.

I mean, you could just say you're the vocalist in a metal band and most regular people could understand that.

@@jermyhopkisn9654 well Soundgarden sounds rather sweet compared to Cryptopsy. But that's still easier than Dying Fetus

"Oh you may have heard our song called Slit Your Guts"

it made me coom

I was going to write the same, what a tasty drum fill!

Exactly what I was thinking, I was so excited to see the drum can for this song, and then the vocals kicked in...

@@Zaynewest it are dope af vocals tho

Yeah the new guy isnt cutting it 😂 There are plenty of fire deathcore vocalists that shit on bro im sorry

@@rapturexiii844 if you knew anything about this band and the song being played you’d understand why he sounds like that. Cryptopsy’ old vocalist sounded like that. If you listen to Cryptopsy’s newer albums the vocals he does are his own which don’t sound like this. Either way this is Death Metal which has DM vocals and if you don’t like it then don’t listen to it kid.

@@bultronlagore4932 first off im not a kid im a grown ass man. Second off I am just not a fan of the high screams and fry screaming if that applies here. Lord wurm never did that kind shit right? He mainly did gutturals and growls. Correct me if i am wrong and i will sit tf down. I was a little ignorant with what i said. Its just that times are changing. And bro has been doing the same shit for years at this point. I stopped listening to cryptopsy after worship your demons. I thought that album was fantastic

2:10 better late than never haha

metalforever12345 lol...good catch

What does it mean to "turn on" a snare? Trigger?

there's a "switch" if you will on a snare drum that brings the snare wires to touch the bottom head, which is what makes a snare a snare, otherwise its more or less just a piccolo tom. you can see in most of the video that the snare lever is open.

e porcamadonn......

(I'm totally necroposting here, but) most of those bands're grind / goregrind - subgenres whose ethos is "precision < speed" (and that's totally fine; it's part of the aesthetic & appeal of the subgenres) - and it proves his inaccuracy isn't a big deal. In other words: yeah, he's sloppy, but that's part of the schtick. I don't think he's _trying_ to be precise; speed's the name of the game, with a certain natural chaos or "organicness" to the mistimed strokes. But if we were to suppose he was trying for speed _and_ precision (like the kind of performative par in technical DM, progressive extreme metal; that kinda stuff), boilerplate musical "best practice" holds that one needs to learn to play a piece accurately at a lower tempo, then gradually ramp up the BPM until one can play it with the same accurately at the target higher speed. With the exception of songs that're *deliberately* composed or performed to be arrhythmic, mistimed, dissonant / atonal, or improvisational - things we see in some styles of fusion, jazz, blues, experimental, etc. - I think most music teachers & instrumentalists hold to a philosophy of "Speed is meaningless without precision; precision is meaningless without dynamic."

You've got to be kidding me. >_>

Pete is the man.

Donna Moffitt I saw Origin on the 16th and asked John for a stick. Since I recognized him he threw one directly too me. Scorpion Immortal 5bv. Epic night. I met (and got a hug haha fanboy moment) from Alan Cassidy of TBDM, and got a signed snare head that was dated and had the set list for Trey from Fetus. Love how down to earth death guys are.

pete townsend...?

Pete Sandoval (ex-Morbid Angel, Terrorizer)

I'm totally necroposting here, but the fact that his playing's sloppy isn't a big deal; it's part of the charm and general aesthetic of some types of grind, brutal DM, war metal, etc. But attributing his lack of precision to some deliberate, charted subdividing of notes doesn't just flip the bird to Occam's razor and common sense, it implies that _all_ poor playing (whether by amateurs or professional instrumentalists) isn't the performer's lack of accuracy, but some feat of technical genius. There's a _biiig_ difference between stylistic, purposeful off-time rhythm or notation (e.g. playing "behind" or "ahead" of the beat in some styles of fusion, jazz, blues, etc.) and simple lack of precision and accuracy. Like I said, his imprecise playing isn't a big deal and is part of the appeal, but if you're genuinely expecting any musician to buy the idea that objectively sloppy playing is somehow comparable to the likes of Lane's or Holdsworth's _actually_ intentional technicality, you're gonna be disappointed.