CS:GONE 

The opinions of Pro Players are valuable, but they will ultimately always be against any change that might undermine their rank - even if said changes are good for the game and 99% of the playerbase

If you don't like memorizing sprays, In CS2 you can make your crossair move up with your spray so you can focus on just keeping the crossair visual on the enemy.

Recoil patterns are not "memorization" they are mostly muscle memory & correcting on the fly. I never analyzed the spray pattern of the AK-47 beyond it looking like the number 7, but I can spray it decently well.

i love the new grenades gameplay, literary love the whole graphic upgrade but thats it. My grime is that, 1) the weapon selection during buy time they did not add all weapon like usual, instead u need to go into your loadout and pick out weapons that you love. So many ppl in casual and comp lobby asked other ppl, "guys how do i buy negev?" 2) love the new layout for those old maps, but i understand for now the maps is not that many. just need to wait for them to update the maps. 3) seems a little bit laggy whenever i go back to the main menu after finishing a match, even with rtx 4080. 4) all the complaints regarding the weapons recoil and stats, i think it will forced ppl to get used to it since cs go is already being replaced lol. but again this new cs2 is a very good welcome, deserve the 2 in the title unlike overwatch 2. we just need to get used to it and adapt it as time goes on. i dont know if this is related to region, but the matchmaking is better in cs2, since im from SEA, during the csgo most of the time i got matchmaking so far like in india or hongkong but with the new cs2, i got properly matchmaking for singapore malaysia and indonesia.

The only reason people even whine about CS2 replacing CSGO and not being a separate game is the name. If they just updated CSGO to source 2, without calling it CS2, there'd be no such discussion at all. How do I know? They did that in Dota 2. And they've changed the game quite a bit more then in comparison to now. CS2 is basically the same game on the new engine, 7.00 was one of the biggest changes that they've ever done to Dota, alongside adding the new engine.

Half Life : 2 was the first time the Source engine was released. There was a popular video by Valve detailing all the new improvements, especially its new Physics engine.

A perfect example of wanting to downgrade comes from command and conquer Red alert 2 Yuri's revenge. If you played the Hollywood campaign mission for the allies you had movie heroes that you could rescue and they use knock-off names like Clint Westwood Sammy stallion and Arnie Frankfurter and use their likeness in various movies to repeat call out orders for you. An example would be Sylvester Stallone saying, meet Smith and Wesson or walk in the line. Because of copyright or trademark issues they had to patch it out of the later versions. The files are still in the game so you can go back and retrieve them or play the mission in its original form without the patch.

Linus is qualified in a lot of things. Counter-Strike is clearly not of them. Not splitting the player base, a recoil pattern which is hard but manageable isto incentivice acurracy and onetab headshots. Also the sub-tick system is awesome, the reason why the game atm feels like it does id because lag compensation needs a major overhaul, not the tick system.

recoil pattern is quite fun, and it's not like you really need to spray down when you can get 1 shot anyway

I don't think that Valve wanted people off of CS:GO, I think they needed the game to be the same to keep the item economy alive. If they went and said "yup, CS:GO is dead, and all development will be on CS2 going forwards. Enjoy those thousands of dollars worth of lootbox items in a dead game", that would undermine the confidence in the in-game economy and make it so that nobody would be willing to spend that much money in a Valve game going forward. Greedy? Yes. A gesture of good faith to the whales? Definitely.

The last steam review they talked about sums up my feeling pretty well. CS2 was advertised as having "all my favorite maps and game modes," and yet literally all my favorite maps and game modes (like lakehouse, bank, the demolition mode, etc.) are missing. It's a straight downgrade in the amount of content. There should be NEW maps in addition to the old ones, not LESS maps overall. It's pathetic that they launched the game like this when they make nearly infinite money.

Being able to memorize in MUSCLE a spray pattern is indeed skill.

"Memorizing is not gettin good" worst take ive ever heard from linus LMAO

that luke soundeffect at 18:00 XD

i would love to see a battlefield style game based in TF2 world

I've played since 1.6 but source has the vast majority of my time in CS with an estimated 1500-2000 hours. Go didn't click for me at all, I just kept going back to the same surf and Gungame servers I have been playing on since 2008

overwatch had the same thing. Its frustrating, especially with the precedent it sets. The fact that companies are now encouraged to just shut down a game entirely, and make a "sequel" with less content thats lower quality than the original. Its stupid.

Got Half life 2 free with a Radeon Pro AGP bundle way back when

you can switch to CS:GO "beta channel" but cant play on official servers

if memorizing a spray pattern isn't skill then why can't Linus do it?

The only big issue that I have is that can’t use the old workshop maps

While you have to google how to use it, steam has a console which allows to download any update as a separate game you can launch. So I feel they strike a balance between forcing casual players to update and still letting power users to do what they want.

Man linus has no idea what hes talking about 😅

They replaced csgo because of skins. They can't make a new separate game because that severely fucks with the skin economy, and they'd have to make it transferrable or interchangeable or people would riot. I like CS2, I like the new smokes a lot. My review for cs2 will stay negative, as was my review for csgo, until they implement gambling protections, and follow regulations regarding online casinos. I know the laws need to change, but valve could at least add those safety systems on their own, and choosing not to is just that, a choice.

12:15 The recoil in CS is like that because it makes the game less rng and more skill heavy. CS is a competetive series of games. People play it to get good at it and when you add rng it makes it random and less skill based. That's a part of a reason why some CS players dislike valorant.

CS2 feels less responsive than Go, I would describe it as floaty. I don't have proof of this, but among my friends who are into cs and higher ranked this is the common opinion. It's possible that we are imagining things and I do feel like it might have improved after release, because it was definitely more noticeable when I played the beta. I'm pretty sure there are videos about input lag in the beta. The game has also been less stable for me in general even after release. If I tab out the game often tries to extend into my second monitor and no longer registers mouse input. I have also had it black screen making me have to force quit in the middle of competitive matches. Granted, I'm running a 1950x and I realize old tr4 threadripper is not common hardware, but it still shouldn't break the game. Still, I don't hate the game and I'm going to play it.

8 months later, we actually have had like nothing added to the game BUT the most important thing that cs2 needed (other then anti cheat) has been fixed, things like gameplay mechanics or player models not working. While yes it irritates me watching this cause I am a "CS die hard" but I also understand the importance of the casual players

I remember buying the CS 1.0 retail box after friends told me to buy it to play with them. I feel old. My brain is definitely not as fast playing this one.

podcast clip longer than some podcasts

i was good at csgo and have dropped off quickly in cs2 and now am in bot lobies

Wait, wait, wait... hold on... Is this not just _exactly_ what Blizzard did to Overwatch?

They did it that way because it was just an update...not a new game. A lot of us were hoping for a complete reboot of the series early on...but that obviously didn't happen.

Did they hired a KoG marketing member~? Because this is what they did in Grand Chase servers and promote account relocation to Elsword, shutting down all GC servers back in 2014~

Linus and Luke should play Hunt Showdown. Great shooter that doesn't have all the mindless memorization that games like CS and Valorant have

online game all robot also

as a 1.4 oldie, i can say the smokes are a positive addition.

Linus saying that fixed recoil patterns are bad when talking about quite possibly the best competitive FPS to exist. You only really need to learn the first 10 bullets of recoilz if you havent killed the enemy after that youre dead anyway. And its usually just pull down

They should have pushed back the launch date. Given that this is a total replacement, the frame pacing issues present at "launch" were unacceptable, it's far better now, but it was still awful, and an even bigger middle finger to anyone on an AMD card. It's really annoying given that it made CS unplayable in a competitive sense for many players, when all they had to do is delay the window. The new grenade mechanics are F*king AWESOME.

CS 1.6 was my childhood 😊

Did really didn't talked about performance lose in low end computers ? Also I can't local lan play anymore, can't join friends nor friends can join me.

Seems like basically the OW2 launch~

hope they ban skins trades again to see all the money laundering companys go under

It was bullshit when it happened to Warcraft three and it’s bullshit when it happens to CS go. Gamers deserve everything they get, and are going to continue to get.

Na it's good that the overwrite it cause it made my old skins more valuable.

11:10 I’ve never heard someone other than me say this (not that I’ve paid enough attention to most people to hear it) but this is the single biggest problem with most games anymore Once a game becomes “solved”, in that a meta so good is found that it’s the meta to end all metas for that game, there’s no game left because everyone starts playing a strategy shooter as a competitive puzzle game with skill mechanics There is no “getting into” games like CS or Valorant or Siege or anything like that unless you were there when they first came out, they don’t follow the idea of “the best time to plant a tree was ten years ago, the second best time is today” mentality, you had to be there ten years ago to stand any real chance Even worse is you have to get into the full scene, hours of research just to be able to catch up, watching RU-vid tips and tricks for lineups and shit. I just wanna game, man. I get annoyed because those games are all cool conceptually but there’s just such a stupidly high barrier to entry that it’s no fun

They fcking deleted arms race, my favourite gamemode. :((((

Source was my main counterstrike

@18:00 - You're not dumb for paying something in a free-to-play game, unless it's a freemium game where your progression or abilities are crippled unless you pay, of course. If it's just cosmetics or whatever, it's no big deal. If I enjoy a F2P game, I'll quite often drop $10 on a microtransaction just as a thank you, if there's a way to - as long as they're not predatory about it (eg, having to buy tokens in uneven amounts so that you always have leftovers taunting you after you buy something).

Subtick is good in theory, but it seems to me that in beta the game was running on a MUCH lower tick rate, maybe 20? In general the biggest issue with subtick is that it works similar to client-side movement and shots and server-side for everything else. So if you shoot between ticks that shot is sent to the server, and when the tick happens the enemy might be behind cover on their screen, but the server just received the information that they have in fact been shot before they took cover. Now take into consideration ping difference, and sometimes you just hit some shots you really shouldn't be hitting, or you die 3 steps behind a wall. In beta there was an issue where the shots were *displayed* later than they actually happened, and since I am 90% sure the tickrate was lower the enemy would simply not actually be in the place where you see them on your screen, so your shots would miss if you shot at a running enemy; standing targets felt fine tho. Now with the full release (granted I played 6 matches) it all feels better, from what I've heard Valve enforced 64tick on Face it to keep the experience the same so we're back to 64tick (and it does feel like the tickrate is back up), but the issue with subtick stands--you shoot someone on your screen, they die, and the enemy sees that they die only when the next tick happens; we've literally went back in technology, to me this is client-side hitreg, I am starting to feel 128 regular tick servers were just better simply because everything happens AT the ticks, it's not perfect, but it sure as hell felt more consistent. I also think 128tick WITH subtick might be pretty alright, we'd have to see it in action, but yeah, there's less of a gap between ticks, less information is waiting to be sent to players between those ticks, so it could be a good mix of ultra snappy (because killing someone now is so instantaneous) and minimising the issues that arise from subtick.

The new sub tick is better than csgo orginal 64 tick however it is not better than 128 tick. Tldr is basically this, everytime you give the server a input the server timestamps that moment, HOWEVER the problem arises when you realize that the action still doesnt occur until the next tick (15ms). "what you see is what you get" is the motto that is being memed now because what you see is not what you get. There is alot of dysenc tied to sub tick system and it the vast majority of the community is in agreement that a simple upgrade to 128 tick servers and an amazing anti cheat is really all people wanted from cs2 and instead what we are getting is a major shift from original csgo while also replacing it. unfortunately this is the path forward and while i personally have been enjoying cs2 it is def not as good as csgo was at the end of its life cycle. imo csgo was finally in a very good state between trust factor seemingly working quiet well and the rank reset making mm feel like you got fair matches. All in all, in few years time im sure cs2 will cement itself as being the polished gold standard fps we all hope to expect but i will take continued outcry from the community for that dream to become reality.

Lol, i have never played any of the CS games.

the only thing I been able to do with the demo viewer is play practice matches agains't bots.

im curous how you guys view the hunt showdown update /engine upgrade that will be coming q1 2024. its the 3rd " generation shift" after overwhatch that flatout killed its fanbase, and now cs where people are not happy with.... for me crytecks aproach is the best: cuting off less then 10% of the player base and cuting suport for the old consoles the suport the new ones and lift the min requirements for pc to get a better engine in to the game and ceep building upon that and the exisitng loyal fanbase with good komunikation .

I would trust a LTT VPN

they didnt want to split the playerbase like they did with 1.6 and source, thats one of the reasons they removed csgo alltogether.

CZ was awesome

Well, at least they can't do this again, as that would require making counter-strike 3, and we all know valve can't count to 3

Explain how its new. Its the exact same....

I’m more upset they took my achievements away and gave me only one in return

The biggest problem with the game is subtick and being hard coded to 64tick.

I play counter strike 2.. I love it❤❤❤

Spray patterns IS skill, it is a skill to learn how to control the recoil of your gun. If cs didnt have spray patterns pro play would genuinely be significantly less interesting. I cant spray transfer between 5 people, but pros can and watching the skill of them is insane.

CS:Source was and still is the best CS. IMHO :)

Pro players look at things from a hyper jaded point of view. They want little tiny details changes, but the second that big changes happen they all say it's dogshit. Even when new content drops for a game, they all say new items or whatever are awful but then some newer player uses it to become a god and all of those "pro" players start using it. I don't care what some "pro" player says about a video game, their opinion means nothing to 99% of players.

I had a good experience with CS2... between crashing every 5 minutes. it's unplayable for me. I was only able to get one full match in the 3 hours I've been playing

Didn't know he was such a scrub

They should have kept CS:GO, I now cannot play with my Algerian friends who cannot afford a good pc 😭

When they were talking about source, they kept forgetting a big reason people get it anymore. Gary's Mod, just about any game built on the Half-Life 2 engine has models and resources that GMod can use, the list especially includes CS:Source, Half Life 2 and Team Fortress 2. Heck, a lot of maps in GMod (at least last I knew) use CS:Source resources.

While you can filter by date, Steam should also include a version tag of the game in review posts. This would help not only this scenario but for games in “beta” that are constantly improving and older review might keep new players from trying it.

Source was definitely a MASSIVE deal for anyone that cared about graphics and its engine then also was huge

There are 2 main reasons why Valve did that: 1. To negate any negative reviews by inheriting the goods from GO 2. To privent spliting of the player base. Its an online game and the amount of players at the time are what makes or breakts game like that. If you have 2 versions running side by side , you have less players for each which is a major problem. By just making it an upgrade , you eliminate the problem because the old game is out. They actaully had that problem with 1.6. It was a major release but not everyone played it. A lot of countries (including mine) stuck to 1.5. In fact back in the day I could not find enaugh people for a game in 1.6 becuase everybody played 1,5. Back then this was easy because we all played on LAN in internet caffies , home Internet was a Luxury. But even after we started having it , 1.6 servers ware empty.

I got back to csgo, after years of not touching it, a few days before cs2 launched and I was also having a significantly easier time clicking heads than before, but this was on csgo not cs2. I didn't really notice a difference between go and 2. I think I, and potentially Luke, just got better at aiming in general lol.

I miss 'arms race' mode

Luke is correct on his perspective on "Memorization = Skill/Ability" because it DOES take practice to "GiT GuD", no matter what the subject you're memorizing - you're getting better at maintaining an understanding and "multi-threaded (and or high-functioning) ABILITY" to process what you've memorized along with what all you're involved with engaging simultaneously.

For Linus: You can turn on "follow Recoil" in CS2, which makes the crosshair leave the center of the screen and will make it perfectly follow the recoil pattern. Note though that Counter strikes (all of them) have "random spray" a slight deviation of the recoil pattern, just so that pro's dont go godmode on us normies and spray us from spawn xD

Recoil from an IRL gun may not be "pixel perfect" levels of predictable, but it's also not random. Its a combined math problem between force exerted by the expanding gas, the movement of the internal components, how that gas is directed when exiting the barrel, and how a person holds it which depending on that person's skill could be very consistent. Take the AKM's slant brake as a pretty notable example, since it's fairly predictable what shoulder a person will hold it in, since most people are right handed, you can predict the direction of force to a reasonable extent and divert propellant gas so it expands in the direction of expected movement to push opposite. Lots of muzzle devices push in a particular direction to counteract recoil some can be manually set with screws to plug some directions and open up others to tailor the gas to expand how they like.

I always click on clips from this podcast because there’s often topics I’m interested in, but I can’t get past this weird, uncomfortable dynamic these two have. There’s like a palpable tension between them, especially from Linus with his petty jabs at the cohost. Like why try to belittle him for saying he’s been doing well in CS2? Idk it’s not a friendly atmosphere.

This trend really became common with OW2 I feel, where game devs will release an update to a game, but change the game's name and market it like it's a new game, and then people look at it confused because they're criticizing it (fairly) as if it were a new game with strings attached. I think it's a lot better to call it out for what it is, a massive update/rework combined with a rebrand, but at it's core it's still the same game effectively.

Prob at the top of "best selling game" because CSGO years ago used to be like $20

They deleted csgo probably because of skins speacially if they want to introduce new skins to the game, if csgo was around they have to update them there too . At this point csgo was getting boring maybe because i got thousands of hours but still it will be fun to learn the new mechanics, always enjoyed cs learning curve.

Original private server CS:Source is still the GOAT after 20yrs @ 700fps in 4KHDR10 💯

You never needed to completely memorize the recoil patterns. Your muscle memory learns it with experience which you then can use on the fly whenever you need and hold your mouse. That's definitely "skill".

I tried CSGO but never played, I planned to try it again tomorrow, I hope it's a welcoming and engaging game for an old gamer.

I've probably easily played 300+ hours of ct side b site on mirage solo and honestly other than the buy menu it feels like the same game. Smokes feel a little bigger and some times I've noticed that people will put their cross hair directly on someone's head and it misses but other then that no real changes.

The biggest jumps in CS history were from goldsrc 1.6 to source CS source to Source Global Offensive. CS2 in a much smaller jump despite changing engine. Its just a visual CS:GO update with some newer changes. Its crazy to think that cs 1.6 had a lot more pirated copies than bought ones. To date I know 2 people that have bought 1.6 and I've played with dozens that i personally know. In fact in Eastern Europe, Russia, turkey, Brazil and other parts of SA the game was probably bough orders of magnitude less than it was pirated. I'm willing to say 1.6 had triple the amount in pirated copies compared to bought ones. So when CS:GO went free it may have finally at that point surpassed 1.6. That's how huge it was. The majority of people I know have never touched CS:GO but have pirated 1.6 many times.

The update made the games core mechanics worse. Should have stayed in open beta while they fix it. Sick of unreleased games especially if they r gonna replace games that have had 10 years of polish

You can still play csgo through the beta dropdown which will initiate a "downgrade" update

Linus you talk so much shit in the end and make it look like its steam that does not give older updates First of all: you can deacrivate auto updates, also steam has the feature to host multiple builds Developers dont do it

What are those flexible mic stands? It looks quite interesting while also holding heavy dynamic mic. I'd buy one myself 🤔

I would hate for them to change the recoil in cs. It’s the defining feature for me. It makes the game what it is

From listening to them talk about csgo I just think they want cs to just be old cod, with the high ttk, no spray patterns, no lineups, etc. Allot of people who are new or newer to cs see those stuff and just say it is "bad" game design but it is just what makes cs stand out from other games. Honestly just think cs is not the game for those people and that's fine but complaining about some core components of cs is strange to me.

"spend so much time to learn the old one for nothing" What do you mean for nothing, it's been out for 11 years.

Long time CS player here. Shotguns over rifles to give better smoke windows. Nova is back to being a sniper rifle lol. Under crosshair settings there is a "follow recoil" setting to help people that are not used to the recoil pattern.

I would have really hoped for them to seperate the games on Steam and move the competitive servers and cases to CS2. This would effectively prevent people from sticking to CSGO like when people stuck to CS 1.6 upon the release of CSS. Now i can't play my old CSGO custom maps with friends (hide n' seek, aim maps etc.) and that really sucks...

Definitely noticed in my group, everone got mad at nothing. They all of a sudden got bad while I got better when the only real change was the hit detection (in my opinion got better) movement felt different but if you are a real gamer it didn't change anything. Timing to spots on maps changed but same thing, if you are a real gamer it changed nothing. The people complaining have always sucked at conterstrike but believe they have some higher opinion because they play games that have no real recoil, no real timing or anything to learn but a single weapon or whatever it is they play that has 1-3 things to be good at. Counter strike can be played with any weapon by itself or with tacticals. Get good or go back to fortnite

"Predictable recoil patterns are left for macro cheating" No shit, and having no recoil at all is better? At least the cheat needs to be more intelligent than "keep crosshair in body"

Counter strike is not a realistic game. Recoil patterns make the most sense for having a consistent(non-RNG) competitive FPS.

The people who say subtick is trash, are they all coming from FACEIT and comparing it to 128 tick servers? Because most of us only played on Official servers and CS2 is leaps and bounds better and smoother in my experiance than the official CSGO servers. Now I am not arguing that 128 wouldn't have been better, but since I don't have that experiance subtick is a significant improvement to what we had.

I hate that I lost all my 100% achievements in CSGO 😢

I prefer Counter Strike Source but I feel for CSGO players. I would be mad if Valve Team Fortress 3 to replace Team Fortress 2 and remove a ton of features.