I was really hoping to find a trail 125 but there are no where to be found. A lady close to me bought a brand new 2020 super cub, tried to ride it for about 5 miles and decided it wasn't for her. Sold it to me for 3500 bucks :O Very happy with my little cub. I also own a 2016 CTX 700 DCT. Thanks for the videos, I quite enjoy them.
Looks like it will be a year or two before the trail will be readily available. Most dealerships only got one or two this year and had deposits for 6 to 8. I like the aesthetic of the trail but that couple extra mph top speed of the super cub makes it feel safer on highway.
To Quasimotard: Just stopping by to say thank you for all the help and guidance from your channel. I currently own a yellow Honda passport C70 from 1972. Today I purchased a 2023 Honda 125 trail, I plan to travel around the 5 state area around Virginia where I live to go mountain biking, and also cycling with this new Honda, and camping. I really wanted to get a Honda Super Cub, but this bike would be much more fitting for my needs. Special thanks to you for opening up a whole new world for me, providing me with so many ideas for a fun and hopefully successful retirement. My current C 70 will be retired to my “bike cave” for display.
Thanks for the feedback! The CT125 is great for back road cruising and light off-road work. The top speed is limited, so reaching distant locations can be taxing sometimes, but it's a fantastic little machine overall. You might be interested in my long road trip on the CT125 to visit the Barber Small Bore event in 2022: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xItNMZ--qSc.html . That was a 1600+ mile trip with nothing but moto-camping and outdoor living for a week. Good times! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
The effort you have gone to comparing these two is amazing......in the rain too! Love your videos, they have just the right pace to them. I spent many an hour sat watching them. Thank you
Thanks for watching and giving feedback! I try to label the videos for the content so people don't waste their time unnecessarily. No silly intros or sponsored ads... just straight to the content! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
They both are great little bikes. The obvious big difference is the trail would be better on the trail. But the Super Cub is also ok on dirt/gravel roads as long as they aren't too deep... I'm looking to get the 2022 Super Cub 125 in dark gray and red seats. It's just beautiful and I may even do some traveling! At 62 years of age, and now living in Spain the outskirts here are just perfect for a little adventure... Great information here, thx for sharing!
I really like the Trail 125 Hunter. I have seen people riding these in Thailand, New Mexico and Australia. It handles the various trails well. If it gets stuck... lift it out. They all seem to be having a blast! Thanks for the comparison video, in the rain too. Big thumbs up on both bikes.
really nice reviews, love what you do on your Cub -. After 53 bikes in as many years, sold Harley last week, no more big stuff -- thinking of a CT125 for a 25 mile (one way) commute through very twisty mountain roads with 40-55 mph speeds, one really good, long incline... and many fire-roads around here, in central Alabama area. I would also do a lot of back roads at 55/60, hence thinking sprocket swap like you did on Cub. At 62 I need windscreen as well . What do think? Good for this type riding? Just love the look and versatility of CT over Cub, had both many, many, many years ago, most fun I ever had on motorcycles.
Thanks for the feedback! The CT125 is a fun little bike, but it is very limited in its highway capabilities. I have taken a few road trips with it already (haven't had time to edit or upload those videos yet), and it seems that the CT125 is about 10 MPH down compared to the Super Cub. I'm able to maintain 45-50 MPH most of the time without too much effort, but headwinds or hills will drop the speeds down to 40-45 MPH. Under ideal circumstances (no headwinds or hills), I can get 55-60 MPH out of it, but it really struggles due to the lower gearing. If you swap to a 15T or 16T front sprocket, then it might be able to maintain 55-ish MPH. Remember that the CT125's engine doesn't have as much power as the Super Cub (slightly less HP but a little more torque in the midrange)... 8 HP can only do so much work. I will probably install a 143cc big-bore kit on my CT125 sometime later this year to give the engine a bit more punch. That should put it in the 10-12 HP range with about +30% more torque, so that will be just enough to let it cruise at 55-60 MPH in relative comfort in conjunction with a 15T or 16T front sprocket. I have installed a bunch of upgrades on my CT125 already, but I haven't edited or uploaded those videos yet. I installed the Zeta Adventure windscreen on my bike a few months ago... it's smaller than I had hoped, but does help reduce chest pressure above 45 MPH. The nice thing about the Zeta's mounting bar is that it's very flat in the center area, so I can probably make a custom screen from plexiglass or polycarbonate to provide a little bit more coverage (similar to the National Cycle Deflector that I have on my Yamaha XT250). Cheers! 👍 --QM
Check out the "big bore" kit. I believe it brings it to 142 cc's & adds some hp & torque. A RU-vidr in Thailand added one & he said it was about $100, for the piston, cylinder & injector.
The big boar kits are relatively inexpensive. The critical part is porting and polishing to match the kit to stock components, to gain the proper tune from the equipment about to be installed. It is almost never a just instal proposition. For the money the Yoshimura exhaust claims a 5% gain in horsepower and torque. I think an oil cooler with a micro pump is a good upgrade.
Thanks for the feedback! I will be taking the CT125 out adventure camping very soon. I will probably change the tires to the IRC GP-1's for more off-road traction before I get into any really muddy or soft environments... the original tires won't be good in mud. Cheers! 👍 --QM
I learned to ride on a 1982 trail 110. All off-road and I wish I knew how many miles I logged. Now I have a trail 70, zuma 50, zuma 125, Burgman 650 along with some big bikes. I’ll admit I have more fun on the smaller scooters and ride them 6-7 days per week. My name is mike and I’m addicted to 🏍
Agreed... another small-bore enthusiast! I had the CT90 and CT110 decades ago. The speedometers were broken on both of them when I got them, so I have no idea how many miles we put on those things... easily in the 10K's of trail and backroad miles. I have many bikes of all sizes and styles, from 50cc to 1000cc's, scooters to supersports... I ride 'em all. I always find myself gravitating back toward the smaller bikes for all of my rides except the dedicated, long-distance, high-speed trips on the highways. If I need to get somewhere fast, then I'll jump on a bigger bike. Otherwise, I'll intentionally plan the trip on backroads so I can ride one of the small bikes... it's just more fun. Cheers! 👍 --QM
My name is Bobby I’m an addict also. I have a 1991 KE 100, 1981 cb125, 1971 ct90, and a 1978 Honda Express Nc50express that I souped up with a 70cc kit and exhaust restriction delete, does 42 mph on flat ground and it feels like 142mph. I love the review and I can’t wait until someone compares the new CT 125 to the old CT 90 or110. My CT 90 will go straight up in low gears.
Love the channel and been watching for some time now. Love to see what you guys drink and eat whilst on the road trips? take care , Merry Christmas from London
Thanks for the feedback, and greetings from Texas! I always forget to record video and take pictures when I'm at camp. I'll try to remember to video more of the campsite and fellowship on the next outing. I do have another road trip and motocamping series from late October that needs to be edited... we had some decent views around camp on that trip. I'll try to chew those up and get them out of the editing queue soon. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Great video, thanks for the comparison. Have been eyeing these bikes for a long time (had a c70 in another life and miss that little guy). Thought I was gonna buy the SC, but it looks like the CT is plenty capable as an around town (no hwy) bike for errands. I’m no trail rider, but I’d love to take some easy unsaved roads by the coast, I think your vids are what have convinced me to take on the CT. Can’t wait to see your post upgrades videos for it.
Thanks for the feedback! I will have more CT125 content coming soon. I have a bunch of upgrades to install on the bike, and I'll be taking it on road trips and moto-camping adventures this spring. Cheers! 👍 --QM
As someone that prefers the heel shifter on these semi autos from Honda I will definitely be doing that with the shifter. My Trail 125 has arrived and I think I will make that mod immediately as I prefer to heel shift with these and toe shift down when doing the downshifts..
Agreed! The heel shifter allows for smoother shifts because it's easier to slowly raise or lower your heel than it is to lift/release with your toes. That change made a world of difference for me. Congrats on your new CT125! 👏😉👍 --QM
Right?! Even the mind of madness has its rhythm and reason. I had completely forgotten about that tent test. I have the video footage, but I never edited or posted it. Maybe I need to dust it off and throw that out there as a "gear review" video. 😉👍 --QM
Really enjoyed this... At late 50's and retired in Florida I am thinking about a small adventure bike, been watching your videos. No no iron butt here but still up for weekend type adventures and even trailering to destinations if out of my personal range. Maybe we can cross paths somewhere some day, Doug in Bradenton Fl.
Way back in the 80s I had a little Honda Express 50cc. ran it all over the woods until got too ruff with it. It was just made to run around town , but would run all all over mountain trails , but started jumping it and destroyed it. Anyway now have a heavy Kawasaki KLR and it's too heavy to really enjoy. Thinking seriously about a trail 125cc.
The CT seat looks quite like older bike seats which used to be fatter and maybe more supporting Why did they let the chain open to the elements and dirt like that on the Trai tho?
I have a 1991 KE 100, 1981 cb125, 1971 ct90, and a 1978 Honda Express Nc50express that I souped up with a 70cc kit and exhaust restriction delete, does 42 mph on flat ground and it feels like 142mph. I love the review and I can’t wait until someone compares the new CT 125 to the old CT 90 or110. My CT 90 will go straight up in low gears.
Howdy, Bob, and thanks for the feedback! I've owned all of those same bikes throughout my riding career! I owned the CT90 and CT110 back in the mid-80s, and I really miss the dual-range transmission that the CT110 had for trail riding. One of my first enduro bikes was a converted (not street-legal) 1975 Kawasaki MC1-90... I used and abused that bike for years. It was bored-out, ported, modified, duct-taped, J-B Weld'ed, and eventually burned to the ground from a leaky fuel line onto the head! 🤣 After that, at only 14 years old, I purchased a brand-new 1984 Honda XL125S with my own money, and that was my first road-legal bike (motorcycle license at 14 years old in Oklahoma). I still have a 1978 Honda CB125S in the garage that's waiting for restoration and reassembly... I hope to get that back on the road this year. Cheers! 👍 --QM
QuasiMotard looks like you moved to Texas from the plate on the Cub. That’s too bad I’m still in Tulsa Oklahoma and if you ever want to bring that new CT 125 down to Tulsa we could do a side-by-side comparison.. my CT 90 was a real junker but I’ve completely took it apart and rebuilt everything and it runs like a top. I also bored it out to 104cc put a performance cam in it and then de-restricted some of the intake/snorkel. It probably runs as strong as a CT 110 and it looks very nice too.
Excellent video! Did not hear you mention top speed. 125 for the Trail, 54 for the Trail. Another big factor is the Trail has a raised exhaust. This limits right rear panders for touring.
Thanks for the feedback! My Super Cub can reach 71-72 MPH under ideal conditions, but its normal highway cruising speed is around 60-63 MPH. The Trail 125 (CT125) has reached 56-58 MPH a few times on GPS, but it struggles to maintain anything above 53 MPH under most circumstances. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Hooray. Was going to come back after Christmas. Early surprise. Good going. I think the little Honda trail would be great in my areas I go to with all the rough streets.
Damn, another two-wheel channel I have to subscribe to for its great content. On the plus side, they definitely make the COVID debacle slightly easier to endure.
Thanks for the feedback, Don! I'm in the middle of my busy work season right now, but I hope to be riding again soon. I have several more ride series on the Super Cub and the Ryker that are in the editing queue now, so I will try to finish editing and post those soon. Cheers, and stay well! 👍 --QM
I like the trail bike but if it's less power than the cub , I think I'd prefer the cub just for messing around on , but the trail is not on sale here in the U K , great video by the way , thank you .
If you want aftermarket upgrades like brake calipers, master cylinder, discs and suspension you should check the brand racing boy! We use it in Greece in most of our Cubs! Pretty nice quality and very cheap as they are made in Thailand. Also a plus is that they specialize in Cubs and not bigger bikes. They also sponsor motogp the last few years
Thanks for the feedback! I'll have a lot more CT125 videos coming soon. I also have several more Super Cub and Ryker road trip videos to get out of the editing blender... hopefully coming this weekend. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@travelinman482 That's a good idea! I'm not sure if I can put myself into the true "beginner" riders mindset because I've been riding for so many years. However, I can certainly give tips and advice from a veteran rider's perspective and help to ease some of the anxiety for new riders. Adrian (my riding buddy with the other Super Cub), was a new rider (zero road experience) when he took his first scooter trip with me to the Ozarks in Arkansas ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_hKgxFxoFCc.html ). He rode my 2016 Honda PCX150 on an 1800-mile trip for his first outing. I coached him along and he did famously... no problems or incidents at all. Maybe I can pick his brain and see if he wants to do a collab video on the new rider's perspective! 👍 --QM
I would have liked a kickstarter pedal on the Super Cub... dunno why they went for it on the CT and decided it wasnt worth it on the Cub. Same for the brake disc in the back.
Glad to help, Dave! If you're interested in playing with sprocket ratios, then you might want to check out GearingCommander.com . The Honda Super Cub and CT125 don't have entries in the database yet, but you can start off with the Honda Wave/Innova 125 as a baseline and then modify the default settings as below: (Updated on 6/4/2021): - Go to www.gearingcommander.com/ - Click on "Select bike brand" and select "306 - Honda", - Click on "Select model" and choose "Dash", - Click on "Select version/year" and choose "125 '18-19" - Chane the Primary Drive Ratio to "3.363" - Change the Max RPM to "9200" - Change the Final Drive Ratio to "14/36" for the "Stock" column You can find a screenshot of these settings in my Google Drive folder for reference: drive.google.com/file/d/1VU4bJvL2RipYq0Zioj2gwkTEZUC2F9bB/view?usp=sharing Cheers! 👍 --QM
Thanks for the feedback, and congrats on your upcoming purchase! These bikes are great... you don't need a ton of horsepower or speed to have fun. I frequently catch myself having an ear-to-ear grin when I'm riding these machines. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@Primez5 Meh... I guess it's so-so. The Super Cub has a traditional column lock, and the immobilizer/alarm does work, but that's really ineffective for these small bikes because they are so small and light. It only takes 2 guys to quickly toss this bike into a van or pickup truck and be gone in less than 10 seconds. I'm fortunate to live in an area where bike theft isn't a huge issue, so it's not a primary concern for me. 👍 --QM
A common story of 4mini owners. It tends to appeal to everyone the appeal of motorcycles. My friend talks about motorcycles for two hours. Another 2 hours with alcohol. But the story is fun and I hear the same story many times.
My take away from this video, both great bikes! Love the Cub, but I bet the Trial is great fun. It's also nice to hear your views on small engine bikes. Well done.
Thanks again for the feedback, Paul! I'm eager to get the CT125 out on some proper adventures. I will probably swap the tires for something that has more bite... IRC GP-1's or similar. I will be getting it out into the backwoods in the Sam Houston and Sabine National Forests soon. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Thanks for watching and leaving feedback! The Super Cub and CT125 share a lot of parts and heritage, but they feel very different on the road. The Super Cub is road-focused, and the CT125 is better for slow roads, gravel, and light off-road use. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Thank you for these comparisons and introducing me to the Super Cub! I want to have a bike to ride in a city due to fuel mileage and ease of parking, have you had any issues with these in cities other than having to take backroads to avoid high speed freeways? Also, I know they're hot commodities and have been since you uploaded this video, I wanted to know how did you acquire both of yours, because many secondhand dealers are charging well above Honda MSRP and I might just have to wait them out. Again, thank you, and I can't wait to add to my Honda collection, this company is nothing but bulletproof. My father had an old 2003 Rancher ATV on our ranch and never once changed the oil, somehow still runs like a dream haha.
Thanks for watching and leaving feedback! I placed early deposits on these bikes long before they were generally available. The Super Cub's deposit was 9+ months early, and the CT125 was about 4 months before release. The CT125 has been rare due to Honda's limited distribution since 2021. The Super Cub is easier to find on the used market, and I would recommend looking for a private seller instead of a motorcycle dealership (stealership)... you'll save a bunch of money. Both of these Cubs are excellent commuters due to their excellent fuel efficiency and better-than-average handling due to their large 17" wheels. The CT125 offers more cargo capacity and slightly better suspension than the Super Cub. The CT125's suspension is damped better than the SC, and the somewhat larger tires help to absorb potholes in the city better than the SC's narrow tires. The SC needs a rear rack to be a good commuter... wearing backpacks is tedious and annoying. I installed the Honda rear rack and didn't like it at all. I upgraded to the Kijima rear rack and side supports (video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p8dNW8pEHqc.html ) for a much more capable storage system. I haven't experienced ANY mechanical problems with either of these machines. My Super Cub has over 15K brutal highway miles on it now, and 10K miles of that was wide-open throttle for the Scooter Cannonball Run (playlist here: ru-vid.com/group/PLLXxDh3JumLnSK37lF4AcrF28frAIfLfA ). The CT125 has about 3K miles of equally brutal highway miles on it without any problems. Both machines consume a small amount of oil during extended high-RPM running, which should be expected with any air-cooled engine. Otherwise, they are bulletproof and should outlive me! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Makes me laugh when people miss gear indicators we never had them back in the day and when I had them nowdays I never look at them half the time you can't see them anyway . nice content on your videos only ever had one bike with a toe and heel shifter and to be honest I never used the heel bit just used it as a normal gear shifter.
Thx for the feedback! I don't miss the gear indicator all that much, but I do miss being able to actually read the display. 😉 It's angled wrong for my height, and all I see is sky/sun glare. I haven't ridden the CT125 at night yet to know how well the gauge face is illuminated... time will tell! Cheers! 👍 --QM
Can you tell me if it appears the Super Cub seat and the Trail125 seat are directly interchangeable? Seat hinge/hardware, locking mechanism, and how the underside of the pan rests on the fuel tank contact bumper points? Reason I ask is Corbin currently makes an aftermarket for the Super Cub but not the Trail125 yet. Wondering if it would fit.
Unfortunately, the seats can'tbe swapped between bikes. The seat pan, hinge, tank cover, and bumper positions are completely different. I took a video of that situation several months ago during a bike upgrade/maintenance day, but I can't remember if I posted that to RU-vid. You can also email me at quasimotard@gmail.com and I'll reply back with the pictures. I did post a quick video and pics on Instagram here: Is the seat swap between the Trail 125 (CT125) and the Super Cub (C125) possible? NOPE! The brackets and bumper positions are completely different. #ct125 #huntercub125 #trail125 #hondatrail125 #c125 #c125a #supercub #supercub125 #hondasupercub instagram.com/p/CNQDzVQg7W2/?
@@QuasiMotard Much thanks for the quick response 👍. You saying it does not fit is all I need to hear. Hopefully Corbin will add the Trail125 to their variety in the near future. I think the stock seat is a 'sore' topic for all our buttockusus... literally and figuratively. 😄
That's a tough one! Both bikes gather lots of onlookers and comments. The Super Cub definitely gathered more attention at first (back in 2019), but now I think people are becoming more accustomed to seeing them on the road again. The CT125 still gets lots of comments and compliments. People continually ask where I found the disc brake conversion for my CT110! I just say, "NOPE... it's a new CT125!" 🤣👍 --QM
I learned to ride on a bike with a heal/toe shifter. I tried for quite a while to get used to pressing down with my heal to "upshift" and never got comfortable with it. Because of that, I have always pulled up on the toe side to upshift. Actually, I've only owned maybe three bikes in 50 years that had a heal shifter. One of those was a Harley and the first thing I did to it when I got it home was to remove the heal shifter. It just got in the way. My question on your Honda's is, can the bikes be shifted with just the toe side without too much trouble? If they can, I'd probably just cut off the heal shifter and not worry about it.
The Super Cub and CT125 shift shafts are standard Honda fare, so I'm sure that other shift levers will fit. The length and offset/bend might be the only tricky part to match. I will probably replace the lever on the CT125 with a normal toe shift because I think the heel shift will get in the way for stand-up riding. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotardI’m getting a preowned 2019 Super Cub soon, and I’m pretty sure I’ll want to put just a toe shifter on it. Have you heard of anyone doing it, and IF so … did it work okay for them? On HD’s I’ve owned and 1 Moto Guzzi I couldn’t get used to the heel toe shifters. I’ve had had 3 preowned early 70’s CT90’s and never completely got used to them either. I’ll never understand why Honda eliminated the Hi/Lo range on the new trails? Do you still have the capability of climbing extreme angles? Nice couple of bikes you have there 👍
@@Dachshund-Nator Thanks for the feedback! I wish that Honda had included the high/low output on the new CT125... it was a great feature on the old CT110. The new CT125 has more power than the older bikes, but it can still get bogged down in deep sand/gravel or when climbing extreme inclines. I've had a few occasions where I needed to waddle the bike along with my feet at full throttle to get it moving. The shift shaft on both bikes is a standard size, so it should be possible to swap a different shift lever if necessary. It might be tricky fniding a replacement lever that's long enough and has enough bend to match the clearance of the OEM unit. Instead, I would suggest rotating the OEM shifter upward (clockwise) on the splines to move the heel portion out of your way if you don't want to use it. The toe portion would be raised up and the heel lowered, so it should be out of your way. Some owners have cut off the heel portion of the shifter, but I wouldn't recommend that because the lever is very expensive to replace ($150+) if you want to revert to stock. The tricky thing to learn about these semi-auto bikes is that the clutch engagement is tied to the shift lever itself. The timing and operation is different than traditional motorcycles where quick stabs of the shifter are best for shifting. The Cub requires a SLOW release of the lever because that's what is re-engaging the clutch plates. It's difficult to shift them smoothly without learning some finesse to operate the shift lever SLOWLY to re-engage the clutch after each shift. Using the heel shifter allows more precise control because you're raising and lowering your heel with your calf muscles instead of lifting and releasing with your toes. I had a bit of trouble with the heel shifter until I raised the heel portion by rotating it 1-2 splines (counter-clockwise). That modification made a world of difference for me to release the shifter smoothly. Here is that video if you're interested: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hi24CwhOGLU.html . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thank you for the quick reply. I’ll definitely check out the video, I know for SURE I won’t be cutting the original lever off. In general I’m always resistant to making changes that involve saws , torches, or welding.😂 👍
Great videos... I'm on the waiting list for a Hunter Cub, but still several months away from the delivery date. So I'm just trying to gather all the info till I can swing a leg over my own bike.
Congrats, and good luck with the wait... I know the anxiety of waiting for that phone call. 😉 Let me know if you have any specific questions or want to see particular things about the bike and I'll be happy to oblige. Cheers! 👍 --QM
I seem to remember seeing ads with hunters using the huge rack on the back of their Trail bikes to haul deer or some other critter outta the woods after hunting. Very long time ago, though, and certainly not PC these days!
Yep, I remember that same ad... it was in the motorcycle magazines back in the '70s or '80s. But, nobody eats meat anymore, right?! Meat comes from stores, not from animals... right?! ( www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/h38lg/theres_plenty_of_room_for_all_gods_creatures/ ) 🤣👍 --QM
It would seem that way, but I can't make any definite opinions about it yet. I think the SC will still be better for many chores because of its higher gearing, but I'm sure that I will adapt to the CT's lower gearing just fine. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Howdy, sir, it's good to hear from you again! Do you have any new toys over on your side of the pond? How are you and the Super Cub getting along... still riding it? 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Excellent thank you, depite the chaos in the U.K re CV-19. 10/10 for filming your excellent comparison between the two machines and excellently presented as usual. Interested to know how you edited the footage from the 360. I have one too but never thought of using it the way you have - brilliant!!! No new bike toys here bar a BMW R1200R. Got an interest down for the new battery powered Cub and that will join the "bluey" in the garage. Still using it but not as much as I should be. Stay safe Aaron and keep them video's rolling!
Thanks for the feedback! I have a lot more CT125 and Super Cub content coming soon. I have a couple of meet-up rides and moto-camping trips with the CT125, and the massive Scooter Cannonball Run trip on the Super Cub that will be edited and posted soon... so stay tuned! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I used to say back in the 80's that Honda should make a larger version of the Trail 90/110. I still think they should make a bigger version around 200 cc's to better keep up with today's traffic, also needs a 6 speed!
Absolutely! I've been saying that for years. Honda could introduce a 185-200cc version of these bikes and they would be much better suited for the USA's riding conditions. Those few extra HP would give better highway compatibility and stronger off-road climbing power, yet still not sacrifice too much in terms of fuel economy or engine reliability. Keep it air-cooled and lightweight. The Super Cub could benefit from a slightly longer wheelbase (maybe a touch more rake) and a larger fuel tank... maybe 2.5 gallons. That would give it serious long-range touring capabilities. Well, I can dream... unfortunately, it'll probably never happen. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard How about three versions of it? A 125cc ( C/CT), 156.9cc (PCX), and a 200cc (for exp riders)? Also, I’ve never heard anyone call a brake caliper...one or two pot. Most people say one piston or two piston brake calipers.
@@travelinman482 Honda sticks to the worldwide standards for license classifications, so that's why the 125cc limitation. Many EU countries have provisions to allow motorists to ride 125cc and smaller bikes without needing to take the motorcycle endorsement testing. I think that the "CT185" or "CT200" would be a fantastic trail bike if it ever came to life. The term "pot" is old racing parlance (I'm no spring chicken 😉). The term probably originated in automotive racing where the caliper pistons looked like small cooking pots when turned upside down. I was surprised to see that the CT125 has a dual-piston front caliper while the Super Cub only has a single piston. 👍 --QM
The vid I've been waiting for. As a SC owner I love the overall bike but that SEAT SUCKS. You move back and the padding thins out and the seat pan digs in. If the CT has a better seat I'm buying it. Heck I may even look into retrofitting the CT seat to the SC.
You don't have to shoot on a rainy day. You will soon need a Monkey 125 and a vertical engine as well. I'm riding an old Ihatov 125. Greetings from Japan.
Yeah, the Monkey's are a superior machine when compared to the CT 125 and the Super Cub. The Monkey has a manual clutch that can be feathered for precision maneuvers. The other two have only centrifugal clutches which don't allow for feathering. Also the Monkey has a gear pattern of 1 down 3 up while the Cub and CT 125 have patterns of 4 up. Again, the Monkey trumps, pun intended, the other two. The Monkey is also superior at tree climbing. Monkeys are also easy to locate, most any barrel will be full of them.
I would guess that these world bike are targeted to similar people but the super cub may be for a little smaller and lighter frame riders and the trail is for slightly larger & taller drivers. This is purely a guess. But a 5-6 average rider to a 5-10 average rider would create a difference in specs
I would swap the grips with pro taper pillow grips. Do you consider to put a kick start on the super Cub? I was really disappointed that they didn’t put in on the super Cub , also spoked wheels will look great. Damn I wish the CT will make it to the EU.
I'm planning to replace the CT's grips with the ProGrip 714's ( amzn.to/3p6sicb )... they feel better to me and they don't get slippery in the mud or rain. I don't know if it's possible to change the side cover on the Super Cub to install the kick-starter... I'm sure it will also involve installing the sprag gear assembly and the different clutch basket, too. I'm still rooting for you guys on the other side of the pond. Hopefully, Honda can resolve the emissions stuff and bring the CT125 to you for 2022! Cheers! 👍 --QM
How do vibrations compare between both bikes at higher speeds? The CT125 vibrates a lot for me. I’m considering the CUB if it is a smoother ride at higher speeds. Thanks for the comparison video!
The Super Cub is definitely the better machine for faster roads and it's suited for primarily on-road work. The CT125 is better suited for slower roads and light off-road use due to its lower gearing. They both vibrate quite a bit, but the Super Cub's motor doesn't feel as frantic at the same speeds as the CT125. I also installed Grip Puppies foam over-grips on my Super Cub to reduce vibration in the grips. That helped a lot for my 10K mile Scooter Cannonball Run trip. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
The problem is, how do you GET to the trail. Top cruise speed that the vehicle feels comfortable with is 45mph, which is insufficient to safely keep up with the flow of traffic on many roads. With a Suzuki DR650S, you can comfortably cruise at 70mph, meaning you can safely travel any road.
LOL! Agreed, but you're comparing completely different machines with different philosophies and displacements... a small trail bike vs a 600-class dual-sport/enduro. That's akin to comparing the CT125 to an Africa Twin 1100! 🤣 Don't get me wrong... I think the DR is a great bike (I've owned a DR650 and also two KLR650's). However, the DR sits 5" higher (and wider), weighs 100+ pounds more, has 4x the engine displacement, consumes over 3x the fuel vs the CT125... and it's a complete PIG in narrow single-track trails. I bought the CT125 to fill the niche for a small, efficient trail bike that I can take on my off-road moto-camping trips. I already have a Yamaha XT250 and a Honda CB500X for longer-distance trips, and I don't want another 400+ pound 600cc enduro bike. Different strokes for different folks! --QM
Would it not be easier/more comfortable to replace the shifter with just a toe operated one and use like a normal bike shifter or is there a reason to keep the toe/heel shifter?
Now that you've had both bikes a while can I ask which you like the most and why? If you could only have one, which one would you choose? The reason I ask is I ended up trading my Trail125 in towards a 2021 CB500X. Reason being not much in the way of cool places to ride the Trail125 near me and it felt very buzzy at high revs. Still love the looks and heritage though and have some sellers remorse. I was always interested in the Super Cub and just saw the 2022 matte black version which might come to the US and now I'm pondering. Thanks for any insight.
That's the most-asked question about the CT125, and it's a hard one to answer. If I had to choose right now between the Super Cub and the Trail 125, then I would pick the Super Cub because most of my riding is on city/urban paved roads. If I lived in a more rural setting with more dirt and gravel, then the Trail 125 would be the winner. The CT125's real shortcoming for me is its limited power and lower top speed compared to the SC. That 8-10 MPH difference is a killer for the CT125 on back highways. I plan to install a mild big-bore kit on my CT125 sometime soon to give it a bit of extra oomph. The extra power should allow me to change the gearing to be closer to the SC's ratio and still not lose too much grunt for off-road work. In terms of an "only bike", I don't think you made a bad choice with the CB500X. I have a 2014 model with ~20K miles on it, and I don't think I'll ever sell it. It's a great do-it-all machine that I never hesitate to take anywhere... whether it's commuting across town or a cross-country trip. My son is now riding my 2013 CB500F full-time... they are just fantastic machines. Yep, I'm already eyeballing that new blacked-out Super Cub. I'm hoping that we get that new color scheme here in the USA next year. I'm planning my next Scooter Cannonball Run in 2023, and I'll probably be taking a Super Cub again. That new SC might be the platform along with a bunch of mods to make it competitive in the Cannonball (e.g., big-bore kit, dual disc brakes & spoke wheels from the CT125, auxiliary fuel cell, aero mods, upgraded suspension... etc, etc). Will it be money-smart? NO! Will it be fun? Oh, Hell yeah! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thank you very much for this valuable insight. I agree 100%. After all, the Trail125 is based off the Super Cub. Not the other way around. I bet it's way more comfortable on the hardtop too. I'm now only allowed 2 bikes per the wife so I was very glad to read what you wrote about the CB500X since it will be with me a loooong time. But if that black Super Cub comes out I think I might be a able to hide it in the corner 🤔. Much thanks again to you for sharing your knowledge with all of us 🙏
Howdy, Ray! That is the Asahi Short Visor windscreen, and you can watch the install video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-O-06y9YDLec.html . The product links are in the video description for easy reference. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Unfortunately, no... the leg shield won't fit on the Trail 125. The Trail has different forks (full-height instead of half-height as on the Cub), so the mounting points and center clearance would be different. 😉👍 --QM
The CT didn't have any wind protection at all before I added some upgrades ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lCY8dh7uSC4.html ), so that made the riding the CT windy but not turbulent. The small windscreen that I have on my SC does help with chest pressure, but it leaves my shoulders and helmet in the clear and doesn't introduce lots of turbulence at the helmet. Overall, the SC is more aerodynamic and long rides on the back highways are less punishing on the SC than they are on the CT. The SC's leg shield and narrower/lower handlebars make quite a difference with wind pressure on the rider's legs and torso. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
The issue that I had with the shifter in its factory position was being unable to fully depress the heel for a gear change. My ankle doesn't bend far enough (acute angle) to make it happen. Adjusting the lever one spline fixed the problem for me on both the CT125 and the Super Cub. 👍 --QM
Is there any aftermarket option to change the gearing on the Trial to be more like the Super Cub? I don't think I lik that top speed decrease. Seems like Honda should offer that for people who don't want to take the Trail off road.
Yes, the sprockets are easy to change. A simple upgrade would be to increase the front sprocket +1 tooth to a 15T. That would help to calm the motor at higher speeds, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the CT125 will be able to pull higher top speeds overall. The CT125's engine has been tuned differently to give more mid-range torque instead of top-end power. The only physical changes (to my knowledge) are different intake tract length and maybe exhaust tuning that creates that difference. So, the CT125 is slightly down on horsepower vs the Super Cub (only by about 0.5 HP). That slight difference in power curves combined with the worse aerodynamics means that the CT125 will struggle more at high speeds vs the Super Cub. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
👏👏👏 awesome, thanks for the review, I’m currently working on a 2000 Honda Rebel 250 and going to custom bobber rat rod it. All under $4,000 hopefully 🤣 and do some camp riding. 🍻
Thanks for the feedback! Your Rebel project sounds like fun! I have a workmate that is gifting a mid-2000s Kawasaki Ninja 250 that has been sitting behind his parent's house for 6-8 years. He said it's really rough and needs a lot of TLC, so I plan to do the same thing with it... turn it into a streetfighter/bobber rat bike. 👍 --QM
As a 50 year old motorcycle noob with cataracts who no longer drives cars (specifically due to the visual impairment), I am interested in the Trail125 for scouting wilderness spots for camping purposes and I believe I could still navigate the cycle safely enough to own one responsibly. Can you please advise me what I would expect to need to legally operate this Honda in Georgia besides a motorcycle license, registration tag, insurance and a helmet? Would that be pretty much it? Would I need a motorcycle training class for beginners for such a small bike, in the same way I would if I were to begin driving a much larger cycle? I would likely limit my actual road use as much as possible but would still want to be driving legally to minimize any legal hassles. I understand these particular Honda cycles are hard to come by in the present, but I’m looking to plan ahead, even if a couple/few years out, still. I’m 6’ tall & about 175’ish lbs and sometimes, I just get tired of being stuck at home and would love the freedom to venture out on my own again. It seems like this bike would facilitate that desire rather nicely. Thank you so much for any input or advice you can offer. Happy trails! 😊
First and foremost, I wholeheartedly recommend taking the MSF Basic Rider course. The MSF course is mandated by most (all?) states as a prerequisite to get your motorcycle endorsement. You can get more detailed info from the Georgia DMV here: dds.georgia.gov/georgia-licenseid/motorcycle-license . The MSF course will teach you the basics of motorcycling, navigating traffic, and other critical skills that you'll need on the road. You can take additional MSF classes after that to practice more advanced riding skills (e.g., emergency stops, obstacle avoidance, cornering techniques, etc). Even if you don't "need" those skills to ride off-road on the CT125, they can save your bacon while you travel on public roads to get to/from the trails. All MSF training facilities will have small-displacement motorcycles for you to learn with, or you can bring your own bike if you prefer. Learning to ride the CT125 will be much simpler than a standard motorcycle because of the centrifugal (semi-auto) clutch. You still need to shift gears, but there is no hand clutch to worry about... you click the shift lever up or down and release it smoothly. The centrifugal clutch also prevents engine stalls, so that isn't an issue to contend with on hills or sudden starts... just roll the throttle and go. Your height and weight shouldn't be any problem for the CT125. Ergonomics are very good, and there is a lot of knee and leg room. The bars are a bit low, but that's typical for these bikes; a set of aftermarket handlebars or bar risers can fix that if it causes you any issues. As for the CT125's availability... it's still a very scarce bike that has long waiting lists of buyers waiting in the dealers' queues. If you are considering buying a Trail 125, then you might consider putting down a deposit at your nearest Honda dealer. There are rumors floating around about improvements for the 2022-23 CT125... maybe a 150cc engine or other power upgrades? I haven't heard anything concrete yet, but the motorcycle shows this fall should shed some light on the rumors (e.g., EICMA or the Tokyo Motor Show). Lastly, you might also be interested in my latest CT125 "owner's review" video that I posted this morning: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VlGZHvnBHQ0.html . I made some observations about the CT125's highway and long-distance capabilities that might not pertain to your riding needs, but the remainder of the review might help you decide whether the CT125 will work for you or not. Good luck, and I hope that you find a good fit to get you into riding soon! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
The SC's leg shield does improve the bike's aerodynamics a bit, but there isn't much difference between the two in terms of comfort or usability. However, the SC definitely has better top speed and highway manners than the CT125... that's probably a combination of better aerodynamics and the different gearing. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Would a small bike like this be comfortable for someone who is 6 foot and 210lbs? I noticed that you also had a Honda 150 scooter. Which of the 3 bikes(125 Trail, 125 Super Scout, 150 scooter) do you like best and which one do you think would be best for a city/commuter vehicle? Many thanks, great videos!
Comfort is a subjective thing! 😉 I think you might find the seating position to be a bit cramped on either the Super Cub or the CT125. These are basically the same motorcycle with changes to the suspension and plastics. There are minor differences in the running gear and the engine tuning, but they are largely the same machines. The only way to know for sure is to sit on one at a dealer. Even better... arrange a test ride if you can because actual seat time is invaluable to know whether a motorcycle fits your needs or not. The choice between the SC and the CT125 really comes down to pavement vs dirt/gravel. The SC is a pavement bike and doesn't do well on rough roads or gravel (suspension is short and stiff, tires are street-only tread, plastics are easy to scuff). The CT125 doesn't travel well on the highways or at higher speeds, but it excels at gravel roads and rougher pavement (slightly better suspension, trail-friendly tires, etc). The SC's top speed is 65-ish MPH in stock form, and my upgraded 15T front sprocket has pushed that up to 71-72 MPH. However, the CT125 is limited to around 55 MPH (my highway trips have averaged only 47-52 under most circumstances). That might limit the CT125's feasibility as a daily rider for some people, depending on their commute routine and road selections. The PCX150 is a completely different animal. The PCX's motor makes about 60% more power, so it can handle higher speeds and rider weights without straining as much as the SC or CT125. The PCX's top speed is 63-65 MPH, but that can be raised to ~70 MPH with a few cheap upgrades (new variator or roller weights for under $200). The PCX has built-in storage under the seat and in the fairing pocket, so you can easily haul your stuff. The PCX's floorboards and longer seat allow you to move around for more comfort vs the SC or CT. The PCX also holds more fuel than the SC or CT125, so its range between refills is longer (PCX = 2.1 gal ; SC = 1.0 gal ; CT = 1.4 gal). So, the PCX easily wins the "better commuter" challenge out of these 3 bikes. There are pros and cons for both sides, though. You can watch my Super Cub vs PCX150 comparison videos here: - Super Cub vs PCX150 - Part 1 (PCX commute): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PUwpi9pv0lw.html - Super Cub vs PCX150 - Part 2 (SC commute): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lgKSJP-Xw7c.html - Super Cub vs PCX150 - Part 3 (Acceleration tests): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XNFNX2Sdvd4.html
I will probably go to a 15T/39T or a 13T/36T combo to give just a bit more on-road capability. I don't want to sacrifice too much low-speed grunt for trail and backwoods riding. I'll be shuffling the numbers on GearingCommander.com to see what the best ratios will be. Since we didn't get the dual-range sub-transmission gears on the new CT125, I'm also considering keeping a 13T front sprocket in my road kit so I can "quickly" swap it when I get off of the main roads. That would only be when I intend to spend a while off-road... a day or more. The task isn't difficult, but it's a messy PITA... pull the front sprocket cover, pull the sprocket retaining bolts, loosen the rear axle, swap sprockets, set chain tension, torque rear axle, reassemble everything... probably about 10-15 minutes each time. 👍 --QM
Regarding the front brake, SuperCub has a single-piston caliper, the Ct125 a two-piston caliper, please advise is as a rider you can detect a difference in feel or power between the two types. I suspect the CT125 two-piston may have a "gradual" feel which would give the rider better control when making light brake applications in trail riding conditions on soft and slippery surfaces, my old Honda XL185 drum brake model was noted for its rider friendly braking by all who rode it off-road. Please advise.
Yes, the CT125 has a dual-piston caliper as noted at 2:20 in the video. The CT125 does have stronger brakes and they are easier to modulate both on pavement and off-road. Both of the front brake levers still feel "squishy", but stopping power is decent in both applications. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Thanks for the feedback! The Trail 125 comes with that massive rear rack from the factory. I added the Kijima rack and side supports from Website in Japan. You can see that video here (product links are in the video description): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p8dNW8pEHqc.html . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Just an idea but would the two bikes look aesthetically better if they had their seats swapped. .....that is, IF they are interchangeable. Maybe its worth trying if only to see if Super Cub feels more comfortable with the black seat as this is your long distance cruising machine. Ive never felt that the red seat looks good on a blue frame.
Yes, I have considered that! I didn't like the red seat on the SC when I first got the bike, but it has grown on me. I was planning to remove both seats for this video to have a closer look in this side-by-side comparison, but it was raining and I just couldn't bring myself to tear into the brand-new CT125 quite yet. I will pull both seats off this weekend to check the seat pan dimensions. If they are compatible with the same mounting locations, bumpers, and seat latch assembly, then I'll swap and take a short video to let people know what that looks like. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Awesome video!! what one should I buy? Just bought the super cub for my girlfriend debating on if I want the cub or trail. Honest opinion! Thank you (: ☮️
Ideally, you should ride the CT125 first to see if you prefer it over the Super Cub. The CT is fun, but it's not as quick or nimble as the SC. If you want to do any light off-roading (e.g., gravel or grass lanes), then the CT is the better choice. If you don't plan to go off-road, then the SC is the better option, in my opinion. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I will probably be picking up my Trail 125 this week hopefully. They wouldn't let me pick it up because of a recall on the shifter. I think some had a bad weld from the factory. I badly injured both my ankles from a fall in 2004. They don't bend to well anymore and one of them is fused with plate and screws. So I figure I'm definitely going to need to rotate mine just so I can shift it easier. I watched your video of the position change. Pretty easy! Thanks for the videos. EE
Congrats on your new CT125! I received the recall notice in the mail for the shifter replacement, but I haven't taken it in to have that recall performed yet. I'll schedule an appointment for it so they have the part in stock and ready to go. Adjusting the shifter angle is easy to do, but you'll need to loosen the footpeg bracket bolts to give enough clearance to slide the shifter off of the shaft. Just one spline counterclockwise did the trick for me on both the CT125 and the Super Cub. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks, I moved my shifter yesterday and installed a Gold Plug. Both were easy. I got insurance, tags, and title today. Hopefully soon I can take it for a spin. I think I will like the shifter better in this position. Your shifter may be fine. I think some of them had a bad weld that was breaking possibly. EE
Props you bought both models, very good details. I have 9 bikes 750s,, Italiian Twins, Harley, Super Ten, and my small bike is the TW200, Both of these bikes interest me. The one thing you mentioned is although I usually customize something on each of my bikes I can't see why brand new low powered bikes would need steel braided line upgrade?
Ths for the feedback! It sounds like you're a 2-wheel addict like me... I have 20 bikes in the stable right now! The front brake lever is VERY squishy on both the C125 and CT125, so I'd just like to firm-up the lever if I can. It's not a show-stopper, and the brakes still work well enough, but it bugs me because my other bikes don't have such soft levers. I demonstrated it in the beginning of this ride ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_uSh6S6tDfM.html . I don't know if it's small piston diameters in the hydraulic system or if it's squishy lines... I'll tackle the problem one piece at a time. 😉👍 --QM
I use the Quad Lock system on all of my motorcycles and scooters. The complete solution is a bit spendy, but it's very secure and the convenience can't be beat... no charging cables to attach, and it works in the rain! Here are the links to the various pieces if you're interested: - Quad Lock Motorcycle Vibration Dampener: amzn.to/3huKyLt - Quad Lock 1" Ball Adapter Mount: amzn.to/3hqLvEl - Quad Lock Weatherproof Wireless Charging Head: amzn.to/3uLT79q - RAM 1" double socket arm: amzn.to/2SZOgmD - RAM B-272U 9mm Angled Bolt Head Adapter: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012TRIY4 (placed under mirror perches) - RAM B-376U motorcycle handlebar clamp base: amzn.to/3BAKswi (handlebar clamp or any M8 bolt) I use the RAM ball and the Quad Lock 1" ball adapter for a more flexible mounting system. I can swap cameras, GPS, phone, or other accessories onto the RAM balls whenever necessary. You can see the full phone kit (and lots of other accessories) on my CT125 in these videos: - Trail 125 // Owner's Review & Upgrades: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VlGZHvnBHQ0.html - Trail 125 // Barber Small Bore - Day 1: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xItNMZ--qSc.html A similar setup can be seen on my Super Cub in this video: Super Cubs in the Ozarks - Day 1: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Pe-y2vKVSi0.html Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Agreed! I would have liked to get the tan/drab color. I've never figured out why they only bring particular colors and on different years. If they already produce the bikes (plastics) in other colors, then just offer them in each market instead of isolating markets by color. It's odd. The 2019 Super Cub is a prime example... it sold like hotcakes, but the 2020/2021 in the red/beige color wasn't so popular. 👍 --QM
We have the same restrictions in most states in the USA. The Super Cub is classified as a motorcycle here in Texas, so it requires full registration, insurance, and a "M" class license endorsement to operate legally on the roadways. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Careful adjusting the lever. If bolt is reversed, splines r easy to strip. Did that on st90 kickstart b4... Why not just use toe to push back of lever for downshifts. I used to do that I think.
Yes, you are correct! I mentioned the high-swept exhaust, but I think I forgot to mention the intake snorkel that's mated into the top-left of the rear cargo rack. 😉👍 --QM
The CT is a trail bike, so it's better to have an open chain. An enclosed chain case can get clogged with mud and gravel, particularly if you cross through streams and deep mud. 😉👍 --QM
Thanks for the feedback! You can find the videos for my Super Cub here: - Asahi Short Visor windscreen: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-O-06y9YDLec.html - Kijima rear carrier: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p8dNW8pEHqc.html The product links are in the video descriptions. Both pieces were ordered from Webike Japan, so shipping can be expensive if you're only buying one thing at a time. The upside is that their shipping is always very fast... usually only 3-5 business days all the way from Japan! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
one other thing, I cannot seem to find your same side bag carriers on Webike. Can you tell me where you got yours? They look better than the Takagawa on Webike. thanks again!
Those are the Kijima "bag supports" listed in the video description about the rear carrier. Here is the direct link: japan.webike.net/products/23969200.html . They work with the factory rack, but match better with the Kijima rack's length. 😉👍 --QM
I'm accustomed to having it on the Cub now, that's the real shortfall. It's a good feature to have with these small bikes because it's easy to go down to neutral at a stop and not realize it (aside from the green neutral lamp). The short gearing on the CT125 also makes it easier to be in a different gear than you think vs the Cub. It's just different, that's all. The real downfall of this gauge is in the readability... it's not easy to read in most daytime lighting conditions... too much glare and not enough contrast. 👍 --QM
The SC's swingarm has mounting tabs for the chain case that aren't present on the CT's swingarm. Most off-road bikes wouldn't benefit from a chain case because it would trap mud and debris when ridden through nasty terrain or through water crossings. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard I think the opposite is true. It would be a good idea. Besides, it's dry where I live. Some bikes in the seventies had enclosed chains, Pentons in the six-day trials for one. The Cub with different tires(when they wear down) would be a better bike for me.
I wonder what if any add ons or upgrades will be made on the 2022 model Honda CT125 because I sure would love to have one to commute back and forth to work at least 3 days a week out of 5 !!!
I know that Honda has made updates to both the Super Cub (C125) and the Trail 125 (CT125) for the 2022 model year so they meet EURO-5 compliance requirements. They have added a new, more efficient exhaust catalyst and slightly revised engines to give more power and lower emissions. I'm sure that the power differences will be minor because the displacement hasn't changed. I think that the Euro and Canadian models might include passenger seats and pegs, but that's not definite. The US-spec models probably won't see these changes until 2023, and the passenger accommodations will likely be omitted here. You can check out HondaPro Kevin's site ( @HondaPro Kevin , ru-vid.com ) for more detailed reviews and inside scoops on lots of upcoming Honda models. Cheers! 👍 --QM
how long does the paper tag last? does it expire or is it ok till you get the proper plate? have a look at retired okie in thailand video and what do you think about his exhaust :)
Our temporary tags are usually valid for 90 days. The dealer already called me on Wednesday (12/16) to tell me that my plates had arrived. I asked them to mail the plates so I didn't need to drive/ride 150 miles out there and back. I'll be visiting them in person soon enough... when my 2021 Honda Rebel 1100 arrives! Cheers! 👍 --QM
