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These 10' logging wheel spokes are challenging the limits of my tenon auger, as well as the 3/4" drill I use. I had to make special new blades, but it's still a lot to cut in one pass. So, I ordered a different style of tenon cutter to speed up the process and take some stress off of my drill. One way of another we'll get these tenons cut. Thanks for following along!
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@danamullen2556 Год назад

Wow. What an episode. It’s a little sad though. If one of America’s master craftsman struggles a bit on those tenons, then there is NO hope for us mere mortals. Great job Dave.

@stevenslater2669 Год назад

Imagine 150 yrs ago when that work was done entirely with manual tools. Maybe some of the larger shops worked out a way to do the work with water wheels.

@johnking8679 Год назад

Say that again, Dana Mullen 2556 !!

@jackieeastom8758 Год назад

No offense but it’s tenon. Mortise & Tenonjoinery. It’s a great way to join wood

@danamullen2556 Год назад

@@jackieeastom8758 Thank you! And here I was worried whether it was craftsman or craftsmen. I can’t win. 🙂

@myview5840 Год назад

Experts over think problems. Idiots overcome problems. If it stupid and it works, its not stupid. 😮

@fatman6061 Год назад

watching the man worl is pure relaxation. sadly though he starts talking maths and my brain goes stupid. the only regret i have from school is not paying attention in maths class

@CC-hl5zj Год назад

You need your own television show!

@Tomhohenadel Год назад

A bit of geometry, physics and a lot of common sense equals a neat solution to the problem. Thanks Dave always an interesting video.

@craigsmith8217 Год назад

Check the voltage to the drill under load. You might need a shorter or bigger extension cord.

@christopherlatham4254 Год назад

I was going to make a similar comment. I'd make large gage extension cord no longer than it needs to be to reach the outlet. That might help.

@1924ab Год назад

@@christopherlatham4254absolutely, ten gauge for sure.

@craigsmith8217 Год назад

We used skill saws in our manufacturing and we burned them out in a couple weeks. I checked the voltage under load and found it in the 50 volt range. Upgraded the 16 gauge wire to 14 gauge and got the voltage in the 100 range. Guys said the saws worked a lot better. No more burnouts. That big drill looks like 12 or 10 gauge would help it a lot.

@silentferret1049 Год назад

I doubt that will help that drill. Its limiting factor is its motor and its winding/brushes especial with its age. Those motors were really inefficient even at the best of the line. It will have to be rewound and some updates to it and then it will get a great power boost. Biggest flaw to any of the old cast aluminum shelled tools of the era. That and the age of the resin coating they applied is very fragile and leads to many of the fails.

@craigsmith8217 Год назад

I'm saying to check the voltage under load. It will tell if it's a power supply problem or an insufficient motor.

@rustyaxelrod Год назад

Watching you go through this process I find it amazing to consider just how much work this was back in the day with no electric motors. I suppose a large professional shop may have had steam or water power but with all the steps involved, the multiple set-ups would have been very labor intensive. There were some very clever folks helping to build the industry in our country and like yourself they weren’t afraid of a hard days work either!

@blacksquirrel4008 Год назад

I don’t think they would have done it this way. The spokes could be put straight into the felloes in angled holes, then clamped into the hubs. That’s why the hubs are demountable. Imagine how you would have to repair a broken spoke using his method. I can’t see how it could be done without taking the whole outside of the wheel apart.

@harlanbarnhart4656 Год назад

I was also wondering how this was done back in the day. I assume the cutter was mounted on a hand brace and the angles were by eye. Work for a real man to be sure.

@tfp777 Год назад

Files are made softer at the tang end, so the tang will have a little flexibility.

@Flying0Dismount Год назад

Yes, but he also attempted to re-harden the blade he made and it didn't work, so it is more likely that the file he used is probably not high carbon steel all the way through like old school files but is probably how a lot of modern files are now made: low carbon/mild steel and only the teeth section are case hardened..

@shortfuse43 Год назад

X2 👍@@Flying0Dismount

@chrishoesing5455 Год назад

Outdoor55 channel made a video on precisely this subject a couple months ago that was very informative.

@DMLand Год назад

Watching you fight with wood and steel in 2023 gives me a tremendous respect for the original builders of those wheels, who did not necessarily have the power tools that-as powerful as they are-still struggle to cut those tenons.

@Bing1951feb Год назад

This wheel requires a lot of thought to get it right the first time. Good thinking Dave.

@williamrigby1867 Год назад

I'm really glad the music and the pretty scenery is back !!

@timeflysintheshop Год назад

Your homemade cutters and spade bits are great examples of resilience! You continue to inspire us all to be better than we are! Thank you! 😁👍

@idiotengineer7494 Год назад

I would think, just like your paddle bits, your tenon auger would benefit from an opposing second cutter.

@eastcoastwatch672 Год назад

Yup as in all drills!

@MichaelKingsfordGray Год назад

No. Only MOST drill bits. I have several commercial drill bits with only one cutting edge. For example: an adjustable auger.@@eastcoastwatch672

@paulh8220 Год назад

Maybe having a second blade something like a blade on a pencil sharper or a hand plane, in order to shave off the wood, then have the first blade to cleanly cut the tenon.

@danielbutler578 Год назад

I have to wonder if adding a second blade would double the load on the drill. It's already struggling with one blade and I can't see how adding a second blade would make it easier. He is working at a pretty low speed so balance is less critical. I agree with him that taking some of the load off the cutting edge is the best course of action. I was thinking of applying less pressure when the drill starts loading down.

@ruthanncutler551 Год назад

It’s common to run into difficulties. But you’ll appreciate the job more so when the job is done. A lot of these younger fold need to watch you work, especially through the difficulties. Too many modern conveniences today allows for most to give up and shelve a project. Or take unsafe short cuts. I love watch the method of your working and thought process. You remind me so much of my Pops. Keep on being the beautiful addition to our world. Dianne is one lucky Gal.

@milt7348 Год назад

Stay safe and we'll see you next week.

@TonyRum-s8l Год назад

This giant wheel come with big problems for the uninitiated builder. You are exhibiting super care and applying more than most in forethought on this project! Kudos Dave! I have to wonder how the original craftsmen figured out all the angles that you have labored thru so far. I can not wait to see you apply the tires to the felloes. The real question would be where in the shop could you do it? I will just have to wait to see. As always, your videos are appreciated and a friendly 'Bravo' to you!

@mailleweaver Год назад

When you don't have to program a computer to go a certain distance or angle, you don't have to assign numbers to them. Past craftsmen would have just drawn things on the floor or referenced off of other parts to the point where things need to happen. Just like Dave didn't have to assign a number to the angle the tenons needed to be cut. Floor to center of hub is the same distance needed for floor to center of the end of the spoke. Pull the spoke up/down to that height and point the drill straight at the center of the hub. Whatever angle gets cut is the angle that was needed. Patterns used to make the mould for the hubs would have been made by drawing; being exactly perfect isn't needed since the wood going in them can flex enough to compensate, as Dave demonstrated by pulling the spokes into place. You can accomplish quite a lot by just fitting things together and making a story stick to record the discovered distances to be able to repeat them. No numbers needed. An established shop builds up a collection of patterns and jigs from completed projects to use for repeat builds and repairs.

@davidbishop4015 Год назад

The process continues. You make the math very easy to understand. You would have made a good teacher. Stay safe.

@andrewsnow7386 Год назад

Since each felloe section will engage only one upper and one lower spoke, it seems like the felloes are all going to want to sit at an angle. I can't wait to see how you resolve this.

@Vandal_Savage Год назад

Probably splines at each end joining the felloes together - something I've seen Mr Engles do on other wheels. Although with wheels this big he might have to employ the use of fish-plates...

@sassafrasvalley1939 Год назад

The offset occurs because he is forming the tenons offset from the spoke angle… putting the tenons perpendicular to the centerline of the hub’s circumference. Thus, they will be plumb through the center of the felloes.

@mailleweaver Год назад

You're right. The felloes will all want to twist to be angled like fan blades. That will be an interesting thing to see him overcome.

@blacksquirrel4008 Год назад

It seems to me he is ignoring the benefit of the bolted hub. If the spokes were made straight only the holes in the felloes would need to be angled and all the spokes could be turned down on a lathe. Repairing a broken spoke would be easy, unbolt whichever cover you need removed, pick out the bit from the felly, put the new spoke in and rebolt. Minutes of work and you’re back in business. What am I missing?

@mikenewman4078 Год назад

A few have commented about the relative softness of the tang area. Given Dave's demonstrated heat treatment knowledge, I suggest if Dave can't harden and temper a piece of steel there must be a metallurgical reason. If we pay regard to the intended end use of Farrier's rasps, Rifflers and Dreadnought files we realise that flexibility is required. The practical method of maintaining a flexible core is to start with a low carbon blank and re-carburise the working portion. Case hardening if you like. Clickspring has a good video on replicating antique files. He (Chris) formed the teeth with punches and chisels on low carbon blanks then case hardened them successfully. He set out to demonstrate the origins of files circa 3000 years ago.

@jimsodowsky1298 Год назад

I admire your patience and craftsmanship. I would've walked away way back at the beginning. I pray the owner is very, very grateful of your time and effort.

@leegoldman7491 Год назад

I don't know if the owner will show any emotion for all of Dave's work but I can assure you Dave will show emotion when payday comes around...😁

@bruceyoung1343 Год назад

Thank You. I believe you are a rare craftsman

@brianmros4844 Год назад

Hi Dave, and Diane, your customer sure picked the right guy for the job. It sure is quite the project, and exciting as usual. Have you had potatoes for dinner yet? Thank you for sharing, and take care.

@dianeengel4155 Год назад

Yes, we had scalloped potatoes.

@russellcraven251 Год назад

Its a good thing Dave is on this job.Anyone else would be in big trouble.

@serraios1989 Год назад

In my line of work I find that a bit of struggle every now and then, suppresses the ego and actually makes you stronger

@mayforddavis9291 Год назад

Now I know where old horse rasps go. Very clever. Always enjoy your videos. God Bless you and Mrs. Engels.

@stephenoconnell6255 Год назад

It seems a shame that this man has no one with him to pass all his knowledge to because he would be a great teacher

@serraios1989 Год назад

Perhaps it is his choice to work alone. He does the videos to pass some of his knowledge and experience on to the next generation

@paulpipitone8357 Год назад

So much work goes into your projects thank you for sharing

@roccoliuzzi8394 Год назад

I, too, have a Van Dorn drill. I got it from an old fella about thirty years ago. He had bought it with his brother when they started an auto repair shop. Unfortunately, that was early in 1929. They went bust, but he still had the drill. I may not have the same model, but I know mine isn't "powerful". Check the amperage. That's a better gage of power. I enjoyed the video. It's nice to know others have trials in the shop too.

@chumbuddy100 Год назад

Nice job on the homemade tenon cutter. I'd be tempted to reduce the shaking by adding a weight on the other side from the blade to balance it out.

@demonknight7965 Год назад

Woohooo! Another episode of Dave Builds!

@EDP1 Год назад

amazing to see howmany details you have to know to make a wheel .

@errolpoxleitner7901 Год назад

Very good lesson Dave thanks.

@billnippress5340 Год назад

Dave, from a guy who can't cut a straight line with a miter saw, i find your videos fascinating. I would like to know if your videos are or will be stored by some organization that will make them available to craftsman in the future? I would hate to think that all your knowledge would be lost. Grumpy Bill

@brambruijnzeel Год назад

Another masterclass Dave, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us! Warm greetings from the Netherlands, Bram

@dianeengel4155 Год назад

Warm greetings to you!

@mailleweaver Год назад

I would have chosen to wait for the other tenon cutter, too. You don't want to burn up the motor in that drill or burn up your patience when you can still use it to make progress in a parallel process.

@RobertFay Год назад

*- Dave, what would happen if you fabricate your plane cutter to have a 45 degree angle with the long part of the cutter to the outside* *- That way the knifing edge is slicing and there will be no fraying of the spoke's wood at the outside.* *- It would work like running a block plane on a 45 degree angle across the end grain of a board.* *- It is also how violin makers move their small finger and thumb planes across the growth ring grain of the curved inside and outside of the upper plate when shaving the curvatures of the top and bottom plates.*

@gardenman3 Год назад

Love to watch something I could never hope to do.

@sanctuaryjunction8413 Год назад

These wheels are a task and a half. Thoroughly enjoying the content. I'm in the UK and still use proper measurements. Oh to have a measure in only inches, ours all have some other stuff on as well.

@joelrdizon Год назад

i find your meticulous attention to detail and your never-give-up problem-solving attitude truly inspiring, Dave. I have tried to channel your attitude in the things I'm doing myself, no matter how far removed they be from your more challenging trade as an expert craftsman and wheelright. Your amazing work ethics can find universal application, I do believe.

@walterlamb4756 Год назад

What outstanding craftsmanship!!!

@larryshipman248 Год назад

You are really smart!

@raymondbrandt7831 Год назад

just WOW i love your videos

@inspector1794 Год назад

That's a beefy drill motor to be able to take a cut that wide and that deep. No wonder it was bogging down as the cut got wider and the wood density changed. I bet the motor was starting to get a bit warm too. You made a good choice to wait for the other cutter, it would be a shame to burn up that drill motor. Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing.

@bigsbyslur Год назад

Love it Dave. What a thinker and doer. Burch Palmer, originally from Miles City.

@e020443 Год назад

Not far from Circle, where I was born. Not all of Montana is beautiful mountains and streams.

@philipschoffman6726 Год назад

Wonderfull work Dave, given all the issues your running into building these I believe you are putting more thought into this wheel than the original wheelwright.

@johnstaley2573 Год назад

It's ALWAYS amazing to watch everything that you do!

@BillOwens-vt2wi Год назад

Amazing how much labor and layout work in getting everything right. Ken be frustrating but worth it in the end . Nice workmanship. Thank you.

@johnmarlow2887 Год назад

Who is Ken ?

@robertmecalis7030 Год назад

Enjoyed the longer video, very interesting.

@flatbrokefrank6482 Год назад

Dave i am sure you know that if you heat carbon steel to the colour of boiled carrot one hour per inch of thickness and then quench - it will be as hard as. then you temper it to reduce the brittleness to produce a usable tool. The tangs of a file are manufactured soft to prevent them breaking off when attaching handles etc - stay safe

@munroboice1542 Год назад

was glad to see how you figured the angel. I saw the problem back when you bolted the hubs together

@FarmsteadForge Год назад

I have a traveler wheel almost identical to yours hanging on the wall in my shop that I've never used so it is neat to see you use it today. I really enjoyed seeing your bits made out of rasps, what a great way to recycle rasps. Thanks for the video Dave!

@CraigLYoung Год назад

Thanks for sharing 👍

@stuartlockwood9645 Год назад

Hi Dave and Diane ☺, looks like a whole bunch of problems your having to overcome, and yes the old drill is realy struggling, but your homemade cutter is working fine, just needs a few more horses to drive it,lol. Hopefully the fence post tool will do the job, and you'll start to move forward a little easier, I'm quite impressed whith the flat bits you've made , they cut really well, and unlike most flat bits won't flex and wander about. Many thanks for another interesting video mate, stay safe, best wishe's to you and Diane. Stuart, and Megan UK.

@stephenrice4554 Год назад

A pleasure as always , my maths is a little ( lot ) inventive shall we say but I always get there . The size of the work is making all of your tools struggle . Slow and easy will win the race . Deep respect 👍🇬🇧

@guysmith1946 Год назад

Thank you Dave for another Awesome video I love how you can stop and figure out the way to make it work God Bless

@Electric-Bob Год назад

Remember what my Dad used to say in the Shop... "If you don't have what you need to finish the job - Improvise!"

@alanmitchell7322 Год назад

Very interresting in the way you have to work every thing out well done

@JF-fx2qv Год назад

Your kind of may is also my kind of math. It adds up for me!

@timeflysintheshop Год назад

One thing for sure, I have never heard one of the huge old drills struggle so much. Around here they are known as man killers because they have so much torque!

@w00dw0rks101 Год назад

I am not a wheelwright but I have a lifetime of professional woodworking behind me. So I found myself musing if lowering the cutting angle on your tenon cutter might handle milling that end grain a bit better. Just a hunch.

@snchilders Год назад

I love watching you work. I'm retired from making high-end custom windows of all shapes and sizes and we work much the same way.

@antoniogutierrezbarba6360 Год назад

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@davidsecord6412 Год назад

I've always cut the tenons on a table saw. Set the depth and run it back and forth. Works great.

@mrclaus859 Год назад

Thanks Dave

@petepeterson4540 Год назад

I hate to have to reinvent the wheel but your doing just fine who'd would have guessed. Good Job.

@aserta Год назад

Awesome jig work! Files (kinda like the old irons from scythes) have different metals in different parts of the file, i'm suspecting you were getting duds on account of the different metals in the file.

@scottmcfarland1177 Год назад

That big Drill grabs Head for tall timber! Nice work!

@JohnHentges-z7n Год назад

Wait until they get the bill for this !

@harlanbarnhart4656 Год назад

Love those homemade spade bits. I resize store bought spade bits on a belt sander and file, but I never thought of starting from scratch. They look robust, I imagine they never chatter.

@blackbuttecruizr Год назад

Super creative way to solve the problem

@britannia-foundry Год назад

I did wonder if the wood is swelling when it gets hot and grabbing the inside of the tennon cutter, maybe try a bit of that bar soap, I really enjoy your vlogs, thank you.

@phillipyannone3195 Год назад

Nice home made tools. You have way too much fun! 😊

@barrysimmons5489 Год назад

Hey Y'all, Thanks for sharing. Blessings.🤔

@raystormont Год назад

I don't know if I would have the guts to make the first tenon or drill the tenon holes in the felloes after so much effort, great job it's compelling to watch you as a tool maker for your wheelwright needs. I am eagerly awaiting to see what you use to affix the fellows to each other and how the felloes are attached to the tire. After you had showed the alignment of the tenon with the axis of forcel/load from the hub to the tire I see how much stronger the finished wheel will be showing how important this carefull aligning of the tenon is before cutting. Ray Stormont

@michaelkelly8955 Год назад

Living National Treasure. Dave from Joliet.

@Tammy-un3ql Год назад

Great job

@patrickcolahan7499 Год назад

Great work. All issues that had to be worked out beginning with the first wheel wright that made these wheels. Always a pleasure to watch. Thanks for sharing.

@juanmorse50 Год назад

I truly enjoy watching your youtube channel. Thank you for sharing.

@fredpitts9382 Год назад

Wow what a craftsman

@phils6122 Год назад

Epic journey. Patience of a saint!

@kearnsey64 Год назад

Holy cow?? What a masterpiece of skill!😊

@terry6131 Год назад

I work between imperial and metric. Just made a simple cupboard which was 8feet long and 400mm deep!!! I followed the fractions segment and smiled as it does my lads head in as he is pure metric. I'm a hobby model engineer and often convert fractions to decimal for better tolerances.

@danielbutler578 Год назад

I have the formula for converting fractions to decimal equivalents in my head from elementary school. Converting inches to metric is there too. Of course now I can cheat on the metric to imperial conversion and just pull out my cell phone. The calculator app has a conversion feature and when it comes to doing it with a tired brain, I'll just use the cell phone.

@konstantintrachos200 Год назад

dear engel, just take a brake and think it over. since you have to put 2 tennons in every fellow, now, under pressure of the clamps it works. but, without the support of the clamps the fellow will follow the line defined by the two individual spokes involved with the fellow an it will tilt out of line. In follow of that, the fellows will stay under pressure and they wont stay in line. when you then try to force all the fellows back in line, you will brake either the spokes or the tennons or both. I suppose you have to go back to the beginning and first remove all spokes and taper them so they will low down or rise up and will come in line without the support of any clamps. Then you are allowed to continue and cut the tennons and put the fellows. In any case, good luck. In my mind, this is the most challenging progect you ever had.

@blacksquirrel4008 Год назад

He should just turn the spokes down straight on a lathe and angle the holes into the felloes. Then he can just bolt the hub cap back on.

@ptonpc Год назад

I had a chuckle at the imperial versus metric thing. I have had the misfortune of dealing with imperial measurements of thousands of a inch combined with metric. I could feel my brain leaking out of my ears! Turned out the measure translated to about a standard metric bolt (10 or 15 mm I think) but it was listed as something eighths and so many thousands of a inch.

@JackCossairt Год назад

Reconfigure the blade of the cutter to remove about half the cut it is doing now,may be slower but drill will last longer. Great paddle drill bitts.

@silentferret1049 Год назад

Yeah having something take that much a bite is a tough job for any tool. Having a larger tool to take off the outer smaller chunk and then finish up is the best. Help make it easier for the drill motor too. Thing is not easy to replace. I have ran into that with metal and step bits, the larger the step size gets the more strain on the drill. I have a drill that has changeable heads and from the drill head to an impact driver head changed a fair bit. Went from not enough to where it was chewing right through it but it can put more stress on the bit. Trade offs of a job with tools, sacrifice the motor or the bits for the work in the end.

@e020443 Год назад

Well since several dozen people asked about having a second blade on your cutter, I'm hoping you give us your thoughts pro or con in the next video. Wooden precision by the ton -- good stuff!

@davidbohner692 Год назад

You can’t convince me that there was ever a wheel right as accomplished you. You are the cream of the crop. Absolutely the best. This wheel will cost a $1k, with a set of four for $3.5k. Get your orders in early to get them by Christmas.🇺🇸👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️✅✅✅✅✅🫵🏼

@mfreund15448 Год назад

Happy Friday Dave!

@19fl560 Год назад

Thank you for this video I really appreciate.

@davidadaur5163 Год назад

Dave: what an outstanding video. It is ingenuous the way you solve problems and keep working on them until it works for you. If I needed to drill an 1 3/4" hole in a piece of wood I would have bought an 1 3/4" bit, probably a forstner and not inexpensive. You had the ingenuity to make a perfectly acceptable spade bit. I really admire ability to solve problems and keep on working. Thank you David Adair

@richardmosher7204 Год назад

I would say that works well

@timfowler4642 Год назад

I thoroughly enjoy watching you talk through your imperial math and measurements using the traveler tool. Have you ever featured that circular tool in a how to use video?

@FRG-my3qf Год назад

Wow. I doubt an MIT graduate could figure all that out. These wheels are a real challenge and an amazing experience to watch And yet, you make it seem easy. Also there is a lot of confidence displayed in this process that only highlights the wealth of experience you have in this trade. This is all truly fascinating to follow along.

@blacksquirrel4008 Год назад

That’s the thing, these weren’t built by MIT graduates in the 1800s. I think he’s missed the point of having a bolted hub. If he drilled the holes into the felloes at an angle he could just clamp the whole assembly together. I believe these were likely built of stock parts, turned down on a lathe, hammered home and clamped down. Repairing a broken spoke would be relatively easy and could be done with the tire in place.

@davidmiller9485 Год назад

@@blacksquirrel4008 you again. What? are you going to comment snipe your way through all these videos?

@HWPcville Год назад

When you first start this build I figured the spokes would be akimbo where they needed to meet the fellos I recall wondering how that was going to work out. You come up with an elegant solution. Well Done! Thanks for posting.

@blacksquirrel4008 Год назад

A more elegant solution would be to drill the holes into the felloes at an angle and make the spokes straight. Broken ones could then be easily replaced since the hubs bolt together.

@billy19461 Год назад

You are amazing!

@dlstanf2 Год назад

Always amazed at the engineering and ingenuity required in this form of work. Thanks!

@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc Год назад

I get the feeling that it's not running fast enough, it's not only a question of power, the cutting speed of wood is usually faster!

@danbreyfogle8486 Год назад

That is a big job and no easy way to get it done.

@mrctzn4557 Год назад

It seemed like pretty simple calculations to figure the correct angle, but when you showed your camera angle line up with the hub like you explained , its right in line like you talked about when figuring it.

@polymaticsim Год назад

I think you need to cut slots on the sides of your auger Dave, this will relieve the tension that builds up whilst cutting and improve the cutting rate.