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@HueToobBlows Год назад

The screw/nut combo on top of the steering box is designed to remove that slack. If you loosen the nut and then tighten the screw, you can adjust the play in the steering box play without replacing the entire box. I know this is old school repairs rather than today's replace it motif but it works and it isn't dangerous. It comes from the day where you expected to repair something rather than just throw parts at something. You're welcome.

@aaroncostello8812 Год назад

Yeah, but you can only adjust out so much wear and these worm gears tend to wear with the steering wheel on-center. If you adjust the screw too much and take the on-center slop out the steering will bind in turns and that is bad. This box needs to be replaced.

@Nostradamus1981 Год назад

@@aaroncostello8812 ive rebuilt these in my previous job and your are right on. Also having it too tight off centre can also stop the wheels from auto-centering which can also be bad when turning a corner.

@boogerhead0 Год назад

Use a beam torque wrench to verify preload on the steering gear. This is a good fix, by the way. It probably takes upwards of 250k miles to actually wear the gear to the point of requiring an actual replacement, which, by the way, may be of dubious "rebuild" quality. As an aside, I have 3 WJ, all with over 250k miles, all maintenance by me.

@ke2dk Год назад

But you know it and I know it, They will tell the customer that they need a complete new Saginaw steering box for about $850.00 + Labor.

@brianwaldo2642 Год назад

As long as there are Jeeps, you’ll always be busy. That’s a Jeep thing😂.

@sheerwillsurvival2064 Год назад

I am sorry a Jeep abused you at a young age

@stevewhite3424 Год назад

@@sheerwillsurvival2064 Since when was age an issue?

@sheerwillsurvival2064 Год назад

@@stevewhite3424 oh man you too maybe it’s the way you treated her 😂

@Alex_Mitchell Год назад

Truth!

@forgetfulme1719 Год назад

'I am going to recommend him junk the Jeep and buy my Cruiser. It will just die without the death wobble.'

@pyro323 Год назад

It's like driving an old farm tractor down the road, you gotta do lots of sawing to keep her straight! 😂

@MrDopey32 Год назад

I had an old gmc jimmy that was like that. Lol

@SeanBZA Год назад

Or the old Bedford bus, with the straight cut gearbox, and around 5 inches of play in the steering box and linkages. Did I mention this drove on mountain passes, and the brakes could often be called optimistic, especially when hot.

@GARDENER42 Год назад

There's a difference between a tractor & a Jeep? 🤔🙃😉😊

@SeanBZA Год назад

@@GARDENER42 Yes, the tractor has lower running cost and better fuel economy and performance.

@Rekuzan Год назад

Yeah, but those are supposed to do that; or at least, that's what one would expect from something like that. A late model Jeep (thing), not so much...

@bobhudson6659 Год назад

Many have commented that you can adjust the nut at the top of the steering box to take out the slack. That's true but the wear is in the centre position with absolutely minimal wear heading towards left and right lock. If adjusted to compensate for wear in the centre, when turned, the steering really tightens up (well beyond reasonable) on both locks. That wear problem can only be fixed on a higher mileage vehicle by replacing the steering head. Each of the steering tie rod ends (plus the idler arm - though this specific vehicle does not have one) also need to be checked. All steering components tend to wear out together, or at minimum, all needs to be checked thoroughly. Retired mechanic in Land Down Under.

@squiggyg.8415 Год назад

Jeep’s are made to wander 😎

@grassroot011 Год назад

Under A wandering star? Ha

@fredmaxwell9619 Год назад

I think that main drag link needs to be replaced. Steering Boxes/Gear boxes use to be able to be adjusted to remove play like that. It looked like from the video the top of the steering gear box still had the adjuster and lock nut so the worn gear can be adjust to remove that slop.

@TheJcrandazzo Год назад

More $ if you replace it.. Thats how it works.

@leosmith848 Год назад

@@TheJcrandazzo I think more like a job that you can guarantee. There is probably a limit to how much slack you can take up with the adjuster. If it were one's own car, for sure try that first. But a customer? And n three weeks they take it to another shop because you 'didn't really fix it' and there is still play. Shops that are in business have to make choices between high labour costs, high parts costs and customer satisfaction.

@JeffDeWitt Год назад

@@leosmith848 Or you can tell them they have a couple of options. #1, the cheap one, we can try adjusting the box, it may not last but if it does you lucked out. If it doesn't we'll need to replace the box. #2, replace the box.and be done with it.

@leosmith848 Год назад

@@JeffDeWitt In my experiences garages have had too many customers come back and say 'I paid you to fix this' - mostly they wont do it. They want a brand new part to replace the worn, so they *know* that it wont be give the customer any problems. Sure they can go to extremes. I was quoted £3000 for a new differential unit, and went to an independent, who didnt want to take it on, but in the end changed the pinion oil seal for £200, and totally fixed it. After I had insisted that I wanted to take the risk

@jimweinheimer Год назад

If I am not mistaken, there is an adjustment on top of the steering box to take up slack in the worm gear

@garynewell6947 Год назад

Good day to you Ray another most excellent video Ray but the most important thing is to have your self a great day Ray

@toploadtele Год назад

You might try to tighten up the worm gear on top of the gearbox. I recently went with a new steering gear box on my 2000 WJ 2WD 4.0 which made a big improvement after trying to adjust the worm gear to reduce the slop which helped a little... I bought it cheap last year with only 70k miles and since have replaced all the steering components. Solid front axles can be real tricky, especially if lifted. WJ's have the odd combination of uni-body construction with a solid front axle.

@helenault7452 Год назад

The adjustment on top is for the pitman shaft preload; if the pitman shaft isn't wobbly, that's not going to help. And if the pitman shaft *is* wobbly, it won't help for very long. On some really old vehicles, there was an adjustment for the sector backlash on the top cover, but this isn't one of them.

@hedydd2 Год назад

@@helenault7452 Ah! I just posted about the backlash adjustment found on many such steering boxes. The box usually leaks past the pitman shaft oil seal, in my experience, if the shaft wobbles sideways. This one seems to be a tight fit.

@toploadtele Год назад

@@helenault7452 👍 Exactly... this is why I replaced the box.

@TireSlayer55 Год назад

@@toploadteleWhere did you buy the steering box from & is it remanufactured or all new?

@toploadtele Год назад

@@TireSlayer55 A reman from Autozone... it works fine!

@gerardtrigo380 Год назад

If memory serves, you can adjust the play out of steering boxes. At least we could back in the sixties and early seventies.

@TheJcrandazzo Год назад

Why adjust it when you can replace it.. $$$$$$$$$$

@chrisnoname2725 Год назад

@@TheJcrandazzo adjusting is probably easier than replacing and then move onto another easy job. If you charge an hourly rate with a minimum per job you make more. Getting a bit more by taking the time to adjust pays more than a customer not bothering to come back or finding someone cheaper Better customer satisfaction because the job is done now without having to return. Replacing things like egr components rather than trying to clean them is better for everyone but most of the time i suspect only the part sellers win by replacing rather than adjusting things. Also a customer will probably be more comfortable replacing things themselves more than doing an adjustment which might seem better to have experience to do. Replacing things degrades the value of a mechanic's knowledge.

@derekhobbs1102 Год назад

@@TheJcrandazzo Because replacements aren't always available. I have to send mine to be rebuilt if I want replacement.

@JeffDeWitt Год назад

@@derekhobbs1102 Yes... I can't exactly go to AutoZone and pick up a new steering box for my Studebaker Champ.

@loacyric Год назад

I got an 04 4.7 WJ (same gen) who's steering is starting to get a bit loose. The repair vid on this should be quite educational for me. Looking forward to it. But, for now, back to building the rear axle.

@drmoss_ca Год назад

"End of transmission" - what a great way to condemn a gearbox!

@boogerhead0 Год назад

Note to those swapping steering gearboxes... the four fasteners on WJ steering box are accessible under front wheel well. Remove wheel, Remove wheel well liner, Remove Air Filter Box nuts from below, turning fasteners inside air box will get you nothing. Remove Air Filter Box. Remove washer bottle. Remove steering coupler, Remove Pitman Arm. ------> Apply heat from heat gun to soften the blue thread locker on four Steering Gear screws, before attempting to remove the screws.

@desotosky1372 Год назад

I suspect there is a lot of routine repair work going thru Ray's shop we never know about. It's not just a Jeep thing. Hope everyone had a good holiday weekend.

@NoVacks4Me420 Год назад

You can adjust slack from top of steering box.

@handsonwithblg4949 Год назад

The old day steering gear boxes had an adjustment to take slack out of the worm gear to tighten up the steering tension . I miss the good old times .

@wnddrake Год назад

I miss seeing clean WJ's. Great find as always.

@jessejarvis3646 Год назад

I had one but got into a bad reck she saved my unborn daughter life miss it too sue never leaked has 250k miles on her

@TireSlayer55 Год назад

@@jessejarvis3646hey are built tough! I had a drunk driver run into mine while parked… pushed the whole Jeep about 10 feet forward and over the curb. The other driver’s bumper tagged my rear tire, which broke the rear axle housing, but luckily there was pretty minimal body damage. I replaced just the broken axle without having to do anything else and am still daily driving it like four years later. Love this Jeep!

@kthwkr Год назад

Steering gear boxes used to have an adjustment to tighten the gears to reduce the slop. But that was back in the 1960's.

@ceciljacobs1221 Год назад

Thanks for the unexpected holiday weekend video post, sir! May your day with the family be a great joy.

@robertmoneygold777 Год назад

as others have said already but if it has the clearence to tighten up the gears would try that first.

@philjamieross107 Год назад

2:00 that nut and bolded part looks like a bike set clamp of a 10 speed like lol

@philjamieross107 Год назад

@@SimrKhera underneath the seat

@mikewarren9850 Год назад

Reminds me of the older Ford trucks that had the twin I beam front axle. I knew a very good front end and alignment guy that always said, If you could drive a ford pickup, you could trowel cement! Keep up with the good work Ray. I'm hopeful that Troy really watches and learns. It's really great that you can mentor and teach Troy to be a top notch technician with honesty and integrity.

@alanfarenden8244 Год назад

Worst steering I have ever encountered was 2FULL turns of the steering wheel to guide a forklift (over 60 years ago, I was 16 at the time) Scary.

@Starchface Год назад

The guy who thought videos were too long got his wish. He won't be happy until he can watch the whole video in the time he takes with his girlfriend, so there's still a ways to go. Get these videos under 8 seconds if you could, Ray. Kthx

@WilliamHollinger2019 Год назад

I like the full 30 minutes or more videos 8 minutes won't help much

@Peter-pv8xx Год назад

If you think a video is too long do what I do, i watch a little at a time of gives me something to look forward to as well, yes some of his videos do ramble on a bit, going back and forth to the tool box and sometimes a lot of nonsense, as Joe Friday used to say, just the facts ma'am just the facts, in the movie industry they call it padding, unnecessary content to pad the film to make it longer.

@cecewd405 Год назад

I really hope he wasn't listening and this is just a preview.....

@bbrnkyle74 Год назад

I only made it through one beer on this video. I need longer videos!!!! By the way Ray, I have a PT cruiser project I'm currently working on. Cat, plugs, valve cover gasket and watts link. I find myself saying "Click" a lot. LOL!!!!

@GrantWilliams66 Год назад

Pills Buried Dough it's way too short ! 3:33 ? Unlike your subscription list. I'm not sure if RU-vid has 2 second videos, I got the joke.

@RedPillLife1966 Год назад

I own a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo v6. Had to put tons of money into it to keep it running. People are right when they say JEEP stands for Just Empty Every Pocket.

@tomblobasjamesc.mccollum1740 Год назад

I like the eights. I really prefer the Fireball eight straight 8. That was what was in my dad's 1949 Buick Roadmaster convertible.

@johnwhite4795 Год назад

I think I saw that adjustment available on the steering box. Personally, I would have taken the slop out of the worm gear.

@jayschier495 Год назад

Was just searching for a new video….thanks!

@RainmanRaysRepairs Год назад

I took the weekend off

@pyro323 Год назад

@@RainmanRaysRepairs how dare you! Just kidding Ray you do you bro!

@chrisfreemesser5707 Год назад

@@RainmanRaysRepairs Good for you man...enjoy the time off!

@GrievenceCapitolist Год назад

4x4 and AWD put extra wear and tear on steering components . Just replaced steering box to the control arms in my AWD safari . It's not cheap but it's money well spent .

@gregsly1247 Год назад

I have a 97 Astro AWD, fixing to do the same.

@jacobm9263 Год назад

Chrysler steering boxes get worn out every few years, there's a lot of options for upgraded ones.

@waterloo123100 Год назад

Not on a stock Jeep. If you drive it with a wore out draglink it’s gonna wear the gear box prematurely. There’s adjustment to tighten the slip

@jacobm9263 Год назад

@waterloo123100 that too, that's what I said but I deleted it before you read my comment, wasn't sure if it was the actual issue and didn't want to make an add of myself

@glennschemitsch8341 Год назад

The best way to adjust the worm gear is to remove it from the vehicle IF it is not worn very bad. Go by the book instructions as you can tighten in up too much in the center and it CAN jam at the extreme travel turning right or left and it will NOT return to the center by itself. If it is too worn in the center, replace with a rebuilt or new steering gear. Don't buy a junk yard replacement. Your life can depend on this. Spend the money and stay alive.

@prigs750 Год назад

Back in the 70s, I worked for a local Manatee Co police department. Besides law enforcement duties, I also did PM on the cars. I had a gripe for a similar problem. Inspection revealed that 3 of 4 bolts in the rag joint were gone and the 4th was missing the nut.

@martinbalmforth2665 Год назад

Steering like the truck in the Fall Guy lol

@sand0077 Год назад

Had a bit too much play in the steering on my 1985 Mazda RX-7 with 147k miles. Adjusted the preload very slightly on the steering box which put it back in spec.

@jeff803 Год назад

It might not be a factor but those steering boxes have an adjustment nut on the top to tighten or loosen the gear mesh. If the gear is not worn, the amount of slop will be consistent lock to lock and you can adjust it to remove the free play. If the gear is warn, slop will go away one direction and get progressively worse going the other direction indicating asymmetric wear on the gear set in which case, it's junk.

@rustyrobinson8027 Год назад

good day to you Ray ❤

@norontboyz5949 Год назад

What a nice looking Jeep! My parents had one of these, 2001 dark green Laredo 4.7 bought used when I was 6 years old. Was a lovely car. Sold it with 220,000 Kms on it after a year or so to a guy who was exporting it to Germany. It's lovely to see cars from my younger years still on the road!

@billmilosz Год назад

The fact that there are numbers of people who buy and own Jeep vehicles means you will never run out of work.

@jamesdougan8789 Год назад

g`day ray i was settling in for a nice hour of fixing a jeep's steering but its only a short diagnostic video good video and looking forward to the fix if you get the job but i must admit a little disappointed i like your more longer videos lol... cheers mate and have a great memorial day with the family

@williamwhite9767 Год назад

Those steering boxes have an adjustment that allows the slop to be tightened. In the old days with manual steering the guideline was 1 to 2" of play in the steering wheel. I once bought an old high mileage 59 Chevy Impala that had a half turn of play. I tightened the steering box adjustment all the way and got the play down to 2".

@metatechhd Год назад

🚜🛣🪚 Driving an old farm tractor on the road is a unique experience indeed! The constant sawing motion required to keep it straight adds a touch of challenge and excitement to the journey. It's like mastering a skill that not everyone can handle. I'm curious to see how the loose steering issue in the Jeep Grand Cherokee will be addressed. Let's dive into the solution! 🚙🔧💪

@AntonioClaudioMichael Год назад

Have a great Memorial Day @Rainman Ray's Repairs

@Rekuzan Год назад

I had an old Chevy pickup built in the 70's that did that... Back then, we called it a factory option! 🤣🤣🤣

@oldguywisdom2904 Год назад

On the OLD vehicles they're was a bolt in the top of the steering gear to take out slop. 1/4 torn and tight again

@pfcparis Год назад

That looks like a recirculating ball steering gear. Though we did not get a good look at the gear box. You ought to be able to tighten the gear and reduce the slack.

@jeep1943 Год назад

In Australia the Jeeps had an issue with the steering box ripping out the chassis.

@johngould2665 Год назад

Love that you have Troy caster now

@colesteven1123 Год назад

Miss the 5am uploads... Suffering from insomnia is the WORST. Admittedly, your videos are what usually gets me to sleep, for less than 2 hours until my 7am alarm goes off. God bless you and your family Ray, and wife unit 😉🤣

@DZ-bo8hq Год назад

Love your videos

@nancywhitaker7565 Год назад

Yup, it's a Jeep thing. Thanks for the video today. Enjoy your Memorial Day.🙏🙏🙏♥️♥️♥️😊😊😊

@vriiksisthelonely7868 Год назад

Mine did the same thing to the threads on the drag link. Almost smoothed them completely.

@gridlore Год назад

Happiness is seeing a Rainaman video as it drops.

@Longeno55 Год назад

Jeeps. You gotta love ‘em.

@808ecobeast7 Год назад

Yup, it's a Jeep/Chrysler thing ... a worn gearbox...always need to tighten up the slack with the adjuster screw at the top ... 🤣🤣🤣

@stevo4649 Год назад

thankyou Ray,,sure looks dodgy under there,,have a good day,,👌👍

@josephvantreeck2989 Год назад

Thanks!

@rrich8371 Год назад

Steering and brakes... most important. If engine quits... PITA.... but if steering comes apart... "... that would be bad...".

@timmylittle2406 Год назад

Yup…jeep stuff. Done the same thing on my 03 tj last summer.

@kevincurry4735 Год назад

Happy Memorial Day Ray.

@Vax505 Год назад

Lol, must drive like a farm truck, need the rows in the field keep the tires straight.

@HoLeeFuk317 Год назад

Replace every front end part and it'll still drive like a straight axle. People expect them to drive like their sedans when your done.

@richardwarnock2789 Год назад

Have a Happy Memorial Day!!

@loveofchrist5808 Год назад

I should not be disappointed because I know tomorrow on Tuesday you’re going to give us a one hour video in my right Ray? God bless you Ray your family your friends and your viewers and your business.✝️✝️✝️🇺🇸

@ozmacguyver Год назад

It's not faulty, the customer had the movie steering mod installed. We've all seen that mod in action in heaps of movies and TV shows, where they are always moving the steering wheel left and right but the car keeps driving straight 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

@bruceaugustine6486 Год назад

LOL in the 40's and 50's just about every US made vehicle steered like that.

@michaelmcclure8673 Год назад

It's called bump steer.😊

@johnmarino4085 Год назад

Nice call Ray

@glenbo2464 Год назад

Thats a nice Jeep and good thing they brought it in before losing steering. friend has a 2002 Overland model like that , that little v8 is quick for being stock ! lol

@timeverhartofficial Год назад

Steering gear can by adjusted. Most people don't know that or choose not to adjust them.

@slikrhodez3336 Год назад

Perhaps check the rag joint too?

@DM-ks8ik Год назад

you will want to check the threads on that centerlink

@AdamIsUrqed Год назад

Jeepman Ray keeping busy.

@johndesaavedra1040 Год назад

The gearbox steers the right wheel which in turn steers the left wheel. End result is "Jeep Death Wobble.' It's a Jeep thing.

@desotosky1372 Год назад

Ford Twin I-Beam when the radius arm bushings wear......

@ThePLWarrior 5 месяцев назад

What a gorgeous example of a WJ...

@levisvarela3735 Год назад

the gearbox aint leaking and looks ok, if you adjust the gearbox and check the steering shaft ( they tend to wear off ) that could easily fix the issue and save the customer a chunk of cash and make your life easier ( also my number one tip to anyone driving a 4.7 its to get rid of it)

@SportFury1966 Год назад

All Jeeps should have an old-style taxi fare counter running. Constantly.

@mauryd3444 Год назад

Adjust the sector shaft in the steering gear to remove the play.

@texkissmyass8326 Год назад

I agree with you, replace it. Steering is not something to go cheap on.

@spaceflight1019 Год назад

Back in the day, that steering gearbox had an adjustment to remove excess steering wheel play. Check it out before replacing the box. That steering linkage setup is identical to the setup on a 1977 F150 I owned. With the steering wheel centered, you set the right wheel toe with the main sleeve. Then you set the left wheel toe with the left side sleeve. So easy a caveman could do it!

@BruceCoggins Год назад

The drag link (the part with the loose collar in the video) runs from the steering box to the right steering knuckle and is for adjusting the steering wheel. The bar just below that (center link) is for setting the total toe. In this case, the toe adjustment is separate from the steering wheel adjustment.

@Renaguard Год назад

All the Jeep things!

@smohhking6578 Год назад

this actually might solve my issue in my chevy malibu I've been having. Thank you for recording this

@bruceaugustine6486 Год назад

I don't know what year your malibu is, but they have electric power steering.

@smohhking6578 Год назад

@@bruceaugustine6486 05, and i know that but what im saying is i changed my tie rods and it didnt fix it like i was hoping, so it gave me a deeper insight into where to look to potentially see an issue

@bruceaugustine6486 Год назад

@@smohhking6578 Check all the bushings, stabilizer bar, upper and lower ball joints, front strut bushings and wheel bearings, steering knuckles, intermediate steering shaft, also steering rack, they tend to leak out of the boots on the end, look for movement inward and outward.

@smohhking6578 Год назад

@@bruceaugustine6486 oh damn alright will do, appreciate ya :)

@bruceaugustine6486 Год назад

Oh crap first the draglink and steering gear, and now the transmission.

@marshall1157 Год назад

gear box adjust screw maybe half turn in would have fixed slop in gear.

@i_fudg3d_my_pants Год назад

Good Day Ray!

@MichaelJordan-jv6ic Год назад

From the marks on that shaft it looks like they hit something.

@helenault7452 Год назад

That kind of play is usually caused by wear in the worm, the ball rack, or the balls, or all of that, and there's nothing to do but swap out the whole thing. Ford Exploders and Rangers used to end up in my driveway with this issue more often than Jeeps.

@robertpimpo4698 Год назад

Happy memorial day to you and family ray

@levitezoe1804 6 месяцев назад

I'm surprised he didn't complain of death wobble I have one of the issues she has my steering column is very very loose with play and I have crazy death wobble just over 60 miles per hour or going 30 if I hit any dent on my right side that's wobble

@IconHVACService Год назад

Thanks for the quickie honey

@catherinemorgan2741 Год назад

RAY my day is complete

@ALConfederate Год назад

Wow. I'm kinda afraid if that Jeep hits a pothole at just the right angle that drag link is going to rip right out of that collar.

@LiberalsAreTheDevil Год назад

Rainman Ray's Repairs, AKA "The Jeep Whisperer!!!"

@ryans413 Год назад

Upgraded from PT Cruisers to Jeeps

@bobby9195 Год назад

Happy memorial day Mr Ray hope y'all have a great day

@ReaIHuman Год назад

I legit just redid all my steering and suspension on my car, I feel like youtube is mocking me.

@jasonpeace1991 Год назад

Had an ldv convoy (3.5t van) that had very similar steering setup (albeit more room for tools) and as alot of people are saying the steering box was adjustable to remove slop turned it from a 1950s movie (terrified my dad as i drove down the road) to something that resembles the steering being attached to the front wheels

@JasonJohnson-yu8zf Год назад

Place I worked at hired one of those and sent me out in it to do a delivery, 800+ miles round trip, it took me getting on for 14 hours. Damn thing wouldn't go over 50 on the motorway

@jasonpeace1991 Год назад

@@JasonJohnson-yu8zf best way to describe them is agricultural. Don't get me wrong keep them rust free and maintained and they last forever but everything about them is about 20 years behind everything else Underpowered Noisy No creature comforts Rough But would run all day

@shanealsup2933 Год назад

thank you for my raynman fix.

@yanni6556 Год назад

My 01 XJ had an alignment was perfect then the steering was suddenly loose same thing happened my guy ended up putting lock nuts on

@Jayballs97 Год назад

Funny I had a 1996 Grand Cherokee and have the steering setup lol

@hedydd2 Год назад

Is there no slack adjustment [backlash] screw on the very top of the steering box? Most recirculating ball steering boxes have such an adjustment to take up the free-play.

@K.Kelly87 Год назад

Chrysler front ends... There's a reason we make fun of them. I bet it needs ball joints too... The last dodge pickup I drove, was like herding cats down the road... It's funny how quick you get used to the technique. THEN drive a good car, zig zagging down the road...