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Cut Riflng on HAAS TL 2 

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In this video, Jim goes behind the scenes and shows the process he developed for rifling our 44" muzzleloader barrels. We use a HAAS T-L 2 Lathe for the entire process and the CAD / CAM was done on Autodesk Fusion 360.
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@MrCclime
@MrCclime 20 дней назад
One day, I'm going to win the lottery and set up a home machine shop. I hope by then, you have patented this and are selling your tech to the public. I've watched many videos of the different rifling processes and this is absolutely phenomenonal ‼️ I would do this in a heartbeat if I could. Thank you so much ‼️
@richardmattix5322
@richardmattix5322 Год назад
Precision is a drug you can`t quench. You can only be satisfied knowing you did your best.
@davidlawrence8085
@davidlawrence8085 2 месяца назад
Yeah..........Well said....." Precision is a drug you can`t quench "
@theThinkerator
@theThinkerator 7 месяцев назад
People that love dogs are my kind of people!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
dogs are the best!
@Aztal
@Aztal 8 месяцев назад
It's all impressive, but the automatic cutter adjustment is very clever! Kudos!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
Thank you very much.
@tonybletas431
@tonybletas431 2 года назад
He who knows his art explains it to the point that at the end, all questions are answered without being asked! Excellent presentation.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 года назад
Thank you for the compliment!
@garywemmer9342
@garywemmer9342 Год назад
But what about the angles and specs! Inquiring minds need to know!
@lunkydog
@lunkydog 11 месяцев назад
As a guy that ran CNC lathes for almost 20 yrs, I found this very ingenious. Well done, sir. Thanks for posting this.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
Thank you very much.
@markserbu
@markserbu 2 года назад
Awesome modern technology take on an old process...well done!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 года назад
Thanks!
@bandit3098
@bandit3098 2 года назад
i love gunsmith channel
@halfabee
@halfabee 9 месяцев назад
Impressed. You have given away secretes.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
glad you enjoyed.
@58limited
@58limited 5 месяцев назад
Very interesting video. I have a good friend who started making muzzleloaders as a teen in the 1940s (hobby only, not commercially). At the time there were no parts suppliers so he repurposed locks and trigger sets from junk rifles and made his own barrels and stocks. I'm going to show him this video the next time that I visit him. Using books from the library for reference he made a manual rifling jig like the ones used in the late 1700s/ early 1800s. It takes about 300 passes per groove; six grooves total so 32 passes is a great improvement. I am fortunate to have one of his rifles and it is a tack driver.
@PatriotPaulUSA
@PatriotPaulUSA Год назад
Really nice you have figured that all out as a small company. Congrats on such fine work.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Год назад
Thanks for the kind comment
@jamen23
@jamen23 9 месяцев назад
As a professional quarter back arm chair critic, I say....."outstanding work!"
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
thanks!
@bobfugazy4916
@bobfugazy4916 Год назад
Thanks Jim, that's very ingenious what you've designed there. Thank you for sharing.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Год назад
Thanks for the compliment Bob! We appreciate you watching our video!
@terapode
@terapode Год назад
I liked the slow pace of the video and how all operation was explained in details, no rush. Good job!!
@rossilake3430
@rossilake3430 9 месяцев назад
You really nailed that rifling process using the CNC lathe. I’m a hobby machinist and have seen the single point rifling machines, located North of Milwaukee.. They pretty much do the same process. I learned machining by watching YT video’s. 👍
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 6 месяцев назад
I'm happy to hear you enjoyed the video, thank you for watching!
@spasticjackson9578
@spasticjackson9578 9 месяцев назад
That adjustment method is very clever, very cool ! 26:40
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 6 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@Jozomo
@Jozomo 2 года назад
Your ingenuity and expertise is remarkable and your compassion with Little Dog shows. You would make a great employer or friend. I'm 83 not looking for job. Just totally impressed by you and your presentation. Bless you young man!
@maddog45auto66
@maddog45auto66 2 месяца назад
It's great to know when I go to the woods with my Southern mountain rifle to deerhunt. It was made with quality machinery that I can count love your videals. They're very interesting. I ordered a Southern mountain rifle in 45 caliber, and 2024 cant wait to get it. Thanks again.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 месяца назад
Thank you very much! We appreciate your business!
@trevorseals6588
@trevorseals6588 Год назад
I like how the cutter depth isn’t on its own axis, but is still controlled automatically
@johnr.labella3660
@johnr.labella3660 3 года назад
Awesome to see the growth of your company. Love to see anything in metal being manufactured
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 года назад
Thanks for your comment and your business!! It was good to see you at the show.
@monroeautobody1971
@monroeautobody1971 3 года назад
Great design and process, well thought out down to the smallest detail, very clean. Gerrit
@metalillness5951
@metalillness5951 2 года назад
Very clever process you created, I'm impressed. It's great that with that lathe you have control over the C axis. I had no idea that was a feature on that model lathe. Thanks for sharing and posting the video.
@shirothehero0609
@shirothehero0609 Год назад
This world would be a worse place without our puppies. What a sweet kiddo.
@stanleydudzik2023
@stanleydudzik2023 2 года назад
I was a toolmaker for 20 yrs and as such I’m impressed as hell . I did most of my work on conventional machines .I would have done things like making the rifling cutter . I have even setup and run gun drilling machines . I enjoyed this presentation immensely. Keep up the good work. Your attention to detail is the reason I ordered one of your kits . I knew it would be done right .
@garywemmer9342
@garywemmer9342 Год назад
My Dad worked at Ingersoll Milling Machine co. for , about 32 years. Some of the things that transpired in the tool room, are the things of dreams! He started me out with a hacksaw and a file, as one must. It worked wonders!
@zmkburma
@zmkburma 2 года назад
Thank you for explaining comprehensively and showing the whole process. It is very interesting.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 месяца назад
Thanks for watching, glad to hear you enjoyed it.
@1320pass
@1320pass Год назад
Absolutely brilliant process and a great presentation. Thank you for sharing your craft.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Год назад
Thank you for watching our video! We appreciate your interest!
@deeparks3112
@deeparks3112 3 года назад
Greetings Jim, Dave P here. A modern Innovative approach to a centuries old process, good on ye sir. Very interesting video demonstration to boot, enjoyed it. I hope your family, and business, are fairing well during this world wide pandemic.
@nieuportflyer
@nieuportflyer 3 года назад
That sold me Jim. I'll be talking with you soon. Thanks for sharing 👍
@user-uj6bg5rq5i
@user-uj6bg5rq5i 7 месяцев назад
Wow, this is the most perfect river knife I have ever seen. I really want this set of knife drawings to complete my toy.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
thanks
@tecra3toshiba149
@tecra3toshiba149 2 года назад
This falls back to a design I saw in print that Pope used 50 - 60 years ago - but your re-engineering is just plain fantastic. I have an old rifle - and the only repair - is to roll the barrel from 0.312 to a standard 0.358 rifling. Thank you Sir - cheers
@brucewilliams6292
@brucewilliams6292 9 месяцев назад
Very impressive what you have been able to come up with. Thank you for sharing!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
So nice of you, thanks!
@tykellerman6384
@tykellerman6384 2 года назад
Fantastic explanation and design for the cutter thanks for the video 🤠👍
@larrybeck3857
@larrybeck3857 2 года назад
Thanks for verifying ,what I've never had tools to implement. Bless your all.
@k.s.1871
@k.s.1871 9 месяцев назад
As a retired toolmaker, I say EXCELLENT !
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@kentowens2179
@kentowens2179 3 года назад
Very interesting video! Thank you for sharing it!
@cosmiccharlie8294
@cosmiccharlie8294 2 года назад
Very impressive that you doped this out yourselves!
@grassroot011
@grassroot011 11 месяцев назад
man that was amazing how you manufactured the cutter in house, good stuff and an enjoyable process to watch too, thanks
@jimburnsjr.
@jimburnsjr. 5 месяцев назад
that is indeed clever... fantastic bit of work; thanks for sharing it.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 5 месяцев назад
Thank you very much! Happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@mylife6453
@mylife6453 3 года назад
Awesome designed cutter. Kudos to to you sir.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 года назад
Thanks!
@TheWirksworthGunroom
@TheWirksworthGunroom 9 месяцев назад
Great work. Magnificent design and toolmaking. Does make one appreciate the work done in the past in designing such a machine to work entirely mechanically - and to do all the design on a drawing board and notepad!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed the video.
@drevil4454
@drevil4454 Год назад
Best video on how rifling is done.
@johnron331
@johnron331 3 года назад
Morning from NZ,well worth the coffee and the growling from the wife.
@danielmccann4055
@danielmccann4055 2 года назад
outstanding work.
@hpbear101
@hpbear101 3 года назад
Fascinating solution!
@goldcoasttime
@goldcoasttime 3 года назад
Brilliant bloody brilliant.....
@smac5
@smac5 2 года назад
Very impressive technology and video.
@andrewlambert7246
@andrewlambert7246 2 года назад
These types of videos helps prove how advanced my rifling knowledge and methods are.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 года назад
If you have anything useful to share, Jim is open to input as he mentioned
@CarpinteroJesus
@CarpinteroJesus 2 года назад
How can I get one of your barrels, thank you for sharing this very explained video
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 года назад
@@CarpinteroJesus Feel free to contact us jim@kiblerslongrifles.com
@donstallard8303
@donstallard8303 3 года назад
very nicely presented video and very informative
@rufustoad1
@rufustoad1 11 месяцев назад
Wow. I just received a 1943 9" South Bend lathe with a 4.5' bed that my grandfather used to make barrels on. Huge difference from then and now. I also received a ton of tools and bits that I struggle to understand what they do but I know there were a lot more tools needed back then they do now. Cool stuff
@trevorjarvis3050
@trevorjarvis3050 9 месяцев назад
Is there any way you could post a video of this lathe?
@rufustoad1
@rufustoad1 9 месяцев назад
@@trevorjarvis3050 Hi, I don't do RU-vid but if you have a way I can take a video and send it to you
@trevorjarvis3050
@trevorjarvis3050 9 месяцев назад
@@rufustoad1 I understand… I thought you might have a channel. I have my eye on an old South Bend that’s been sitting in shop for about 25 years, waiting for the guy to decide to let it go… It has some different tooling I’ve never seen before. I think this lathe may have been used to make barrels. He has a number of sine bars, and the ratchet mechanism as well as the rack. I too am wondering what the rest of the tooling looks like so I can determine if it’s all there.
@rufustoad1
@rufustoad1 9 месяцев назад
@@trevorjarvis3050 No worries. This one will also be up for sale soon so if things don't work out let me know.
@trevorjarvis3050
@trevorjarvis3050 9 месяцев назад
@@rufustoad1 let me know where you list it and I’ll find it… thanks!
@Andy-Gibb
@Andy-Gibb 2 года назад
Awesome work.
@kmrere42
@kmrere42 5 месяцев назад
Hi, Nice to see your shop.. The screw assembly on the back end of the spindle to hold the barrel stable is called a " spider ".. Keep up the excellent work..
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 5 месяцев назад
Thank you! I'm happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@RobertBoggstools
@RobertBoggstools 3 года назад
Loved the video thank you
@christurley391
@christurley391 Год назад
Thanks for sharing your process.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 месяца назад
Thanks for watching!
@longbellycaster
@longbellycaster 2 года назад
That’s a cool way of rifling!
@cyrusfrost8029
@cyrusfrost8029 9 месяцев назад
Incredibly clever setup and tooling design.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
thank you very much, glad you like it!
@henrykleyn3423
@henrykleyn3423 Год назад
Thanks, that was quite educational. Great Video.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Год назад
Glad it was helpful!
@pamtnman1515
@pamtnman1515 Год назад
Fascinating and useful video
@snakedike
@snakedike 2 года назад
Very clever bit of engineering.
@karlhubben8009
@karlhubben8009 Год назад
Good job, exellent idea!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Год назад
Glad you think so!
@tallyman15
@tallyman15 2 года назад
Great video.
@johnreynolds6499
@johnreynolds6499 2 года назад
Amazing. Thanks for sharing.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Год назад
Thanks for watching!
@nilebrixton8436
@nilebrixton8436 Год назад
fascinating to watch. thanks!
@cassiusclay7482
@cassiusclay7482 Год назад
Super travail merci pour la vidéo (de France)
@paulvenn4447
@paulvenn4447 3 года назад
Ayyy new video! Nice work!
@futuresonex
@futuresonex 2 года назад
Very cool!
@BigT27295
@BigT27295 2 года назад
That's pretty dang slick
@theradioweyr
@theradioweyr 9 месяцев назад
Outstanding!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
thanks!
@obaidashafai1797
@obaidashafai1797 Год назад
very clever, very informative video thank you very much for your presentation
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@brucelemken3249
@brucelemken3249 Год назад
Awesome use of Fusion 360
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Год назад
Thank you!
@35southkiwi16
@35southkiwi16 6 месяцев назад
That cutter depth adjustment is really clever.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 5 месяцев назад
Thank you :)!
@abrahamdiazdeleoncamou4764
@abrahamdiazdeleoncamou4764 9 месяцев назад
Very interesting..!!, thanks for sharing..!!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
Glad you enjoyed!
@powersawtomfoolery6739
@powersawtomfoolery6739 2 года назад
Great explanation and demonstration video. Thank you! I just saw a video with Brux Barrels. They are using Pratt & Whitney machines and their cycle time is around 30 minutes for a "standard" blank, 27"-ish? I'd say in your case using an adapted machine and blanks that are 30% longer, your cycle times are acceptable. The best barrels are lapped after rifling. You could consider lead lapping your barrels for an even more uniform finish. Great job!
@tsclly2377
@tsclly2377 9 месяцев назад
I like your cutter, as it has the potential to do squeeze bore rifling and can be set up for polygonal also.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for watching!
@lennybaldacchino
@lennybaldacchino 2 года назад
great quality work loll
@johnstephenson7620
@johnstephenson7620 2 года назад
I love your three legged mascot🐕🐶
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 года назад
She was a good dog
@DARIVSARCHITECTVS
@DARIVSARCHITECTVS Год назад
Just a thought, instead of plugging the oil pump in, rig a switch neat the control box for easier operator access. If you trust relays, you could automate the oil pump from input from the control box. It depends on how much damage ensues from running the cutter dry. Thanks for showing us this fascinating process!
@greglaroche1753
@greglaroche1753 Год назад
Very. interesting. Thanks!
@d.jensen5153
@d.jensen5153 9 месяцев назад
Nice job!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
thanks for watching!
@earlwheelock7844
@earlwheelock7844 11 месяцев назад
ABSOLUTLY!! FASINATING!!!!🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 11 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@manuelluis9106
@manuelluis9106 Год назад
Olá sou português adoro trabalhar com metais e não sei porque razão, mas desde uns anos para cá, que eu tenho acompanhado tudo sobre fabricação e reparação de armas. E é a primeira vez que vejo isso, é espetacular parabéns excelente idéia por essa ferramenta. Desejo muito sucesso para vocês. E eu adorava trabalhar numa fafrica assim. Um grande abraço de Portugal felicidades.
@rickoshea8138
@rickoshea8138 2 года назад
Clever use of CNC lathe!
@darrenhill4406
@darrenhill4406 2 года назад
That's slicker than a minners peter!
@mag44ie
@mag44ie Год назад
One heck of machine . Great video.
@ndtpro76
@ndtpro76 Год назад
I would seek to add a multi point tool that free spins on the draw rod. This would be pulled through as a final stroke to remove the burr at each edge of both sides of each groove, and polish that corner uniformly. Of course, a couple rounds of hard lead ball would largely accomplish the same thing.... The tool could easily be created in a sintered metal process. Very cool process that can easily be changed for things like gain-twist rifling, 5R, etc... Awesome fix!
@arrondo7804
@arrondo7804 9 месяцев назад
Awesome!👍🙏💗
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@danielblackburn4626
@danielblackburn4626 9 месяцев назад
Amazing
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 месяцев назад
thanks!
@Rick-tb4so
@Rick-tb4so 2 года назад
Great video and with 1 hour of cycle time I now realize the cost of manufacturing.
@atulgohil
@atulgohil 3 года назад
This is by far the most explanatory video I have come across yet about rifling head. Thanks! I would really like to get some more details of how you made the rifling head as I'm in the process of making one for myself. Pls advise. Thanks once again.
@bigrod0069
@bigrod0069 2 месяца назад
Very impressive, i need one them machines now! 😊😊😂😂
@junaidaftabkhan
@junaidaftabkhan Год назад
Absolute Genius
@gudrich
@gudrich 8 месяцев назад
Классная работа!
@treetrimmerguy2
@treetrimmerguy2 Год назад
Amazing work, The only thing I don't like about the extreme care you put into your rifles. Is that it really makes me want to purchase one of your rifle kits. Boy this precision barrel work, along with some of that extra fancy Maple. Sure would be fun to finish up here in my shop. Just what I need. Another project. Cars and guns. That is where all my money seems to go. Keep up the great work. Hope you have a great Christmas. Hope your dog is still doing okay.
@mdbryan9525
@mdbryan9525 8 месяцев назад
Back in the mid eighties I drove the Blue Ridge Parkway. There was a small building that housed a early rifling machine. Almost all of it was built out of wood. The technology is almost identical except for the accuracy and automation.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 6 месяцев назад
very cool!
@gruberstein
@gruberstein 3 года назад
Very cool and every machine shop or garage needs a three legged dog.
@shadowlab9543
@shadowlab9543 Год назад
great video !! i always wondered how this was done
@noriszilverbergen5227
@noriszilverbergen5227 2 года назад
Nice "tiara"!! Never work without "Safety Tiara" on your head !!
@kirkethridge2500
@kirkethridge2500 Год назад
i didn't realize you were doing this,,, Great for you (and your customers)!! lots of benchrest smiths call that (cats paw) and outboard spider..probably a much more cost effective set up than purchase of a rifling machine??? indeed a very clever program/setup!! I have noticed quite a bit of difference in the quality of the finish inside different barrel manufacturers products... some look like railroad tracks,, some very slickly lapped..(competetion barrels being slickest) looked like it was cutting very smooth with no chatter!! from what one can see here,, yours looks great! you should get one of those cheap bore scope attachments to show the grooves up close (much cheaper than my hawkeye bore scope) . Good Job!!!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Год назад
Thanks. We aren’t doing this anymore. It was too slow for our production needs unfortunately
@richardcline4357
@richardcline4357 Год назад
I like the way you are cutting on the lathe look real nice have you considered after you are done running a button through the barrel to finish it off this will give it a real nice finish no scotch brite needed save you time.
@breathinglead871
@breathinglead871 9 месяцев назад
The TL-2 is the only Hass machine I've enjoyed being on
@devemch7851
@devemch7851 2 года назад
There are different ways to rifle a barrel. Cut riffling being one of the oldest. I don’t like button because the control of the lead is often a chicken and egg problem. The sexiest riffing machine has to be the Pratt Whitney model A sine bar. The model B got rid of the sine bar and has two gangs to speed things up. The hydraulics on the B are a nightmare as many specialized parts are obsolete. The model A downside is that uses turn of the century machine technology and was originally line shaft drive. Other makers of sine bars are basically copies of the Pratt Whitney. What you have done here is really impressive. Quality barrels are cut riffle barrels. I am not a fan of hammered barrels… originally designed for the German MG42 machine gun. It solves a problem unique to the MG42 but not on the radar for muzzleloaders. Marlins micro groove is a joke. I think fewer deeper lands are the way to go for long term reliability. While it would be nice to improve cycle time, you run the risk of breaking tooling and reducing quality. Cut riffling has always been time consuming. Personally I would accept it as a necessary evil and focus on quality. One of the proverbs from Solomon on haste comes to mind. I have searched for a model A for 20 years. After WE1, the anti gun mentality saw many scrapped and many exported to the Slavic countries. Model Bs were also scrapped in number after WW2. I have tinkered with idea of building a model A from scratch. The pattern work is insane and the bed casting is no easy machine problem requiring sending the bed around the country to get planed and ground. Older model As will likely need to be sent to Wisconsin for grinding as well. So what you have done is an impressive solution to a vexing problem. My hat is off to you on this one.
@arthurvandervelde
@arthurvandervelde 9 месяцев назад
And My hat off to you Sir, for offering this excellent background information which I have copied and saved.
@marknaglreiter9330
@marknaglreiter9330 9 месяцев назад
About the only Change I'd make is indicating the muzzle end using the spider adjusting screws. When I'm chambering I indicate both ends within .001. Excellent job. I think the z axis feed is fast enough, I might take a little shallower cut per pass. I put the indicator needle right into the muzzle.
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