Making a new topslide for the lathe, copying the old one. This video was ready to be posted when I found a mistake I made. No time to remake that part of the video, so I... well... You'll find out.
Fantastic demonstration. I really enjoyed the simple set up . The explanation of what angles to grind the tool and using the straight edge and dial indicator were invaluable.
I have done dovetails both with rotary cutters on the mill and lathe type cutters on my milling machine's slotting head. The slotting head acts like a vertical shaper. One more thing Starrett makes sets of very nice dovetail measuring micrometers. I bought one recently for 90° angles.
I just happen to need to cut a dovetail but couldn't position my clapper box avoid digging into the part. I used it as an excuse to make a dovetail cutter on my lathe.
Thank you Michel for an entertaining and informative explanation on how dovetails can be machined accurately on the shaper. I learned so much from this video, especially how much I crave having a shaper. Sadly no room 😢
Thank you Michael and whoever that other bozo was that said your measurements wouldn't work. Now having made that part maybe you need to dream up a use for it. Perhaps a universal vertical slide for the lathe or the mill. Seems a pity to waste a perfectly good piece of steel with a 55° dovetail cut in it. Just a suggestion from Canada's banana belt. 🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🕊️🇺🇦🕊️🇧🇪👍.
It's just amazing how versatile the shaper is, I guess you could have machined a bit more out and made room for a gib strip, but that's only if you wanted to! best wishes Rusti, cheers, Dave
eyup Michel Nice one I have to make a miniature dovetail soon, not decided on Mill or shaper yet, or a i may use a file🤣🤣🤔🤔👍👍👍👍👍👍 see you next time Kev uk
Hi Michel, great video, some great editting as well. I particularly enjoyed seeing and hearing the slowed down cuts on the shaper 👌👌👌. Very enjoyable to watch, good luck from Spain!!
Thanks for another great video! I learn something new every time I watch you. Now that you've pointed it out, I see that the female part of a dovetail needs to be taller than the male. Of course it does; that makes perfect sense! It's a great example of something that just wouldn't have occurred to me if someone with more experience hadn't pointed it out. ...or until I tried to make one for the first time and wondered why my dovetail didn't fit and slide like it was 'supposed' to. Thank you again! 😊
You certainly have an analytical mind, many of your methods appear simple(after you have figured it all out.) I always get an education when watching your videos. As you always respond to my comments, this has been my pleasure. Thank You
If My Sammie were here, she would have loved this one for sure. She always loved your since of humor and talents. After watching mr. Pete's videos a early this month on tool post ( a 2 parter vid) and showing dial indicators holders adapted to tool post, I like that concept. Had a buddy 3D print me up a few, but by fault on my part, I sent him the files for AXA not B type. So I now 5 AXA one to give away 😞. Since my shaper is still in pieces, will have to do on my mill as soon as I get in Randy Richards dove tail cutters 🙂. This was awesome Michel, and fill Sammie is watching and agreeing as well. Ole Bear in cold TX,,,burrrrrr!
You are always a treat to watch...absolutely love your sense of humor! Very nice example of making do with what you have. Amazing things can be done with the simplest of tools. Cheers from Canada p.s.-Happy St. Patricks Day
Michel, another informative and entertaining video. The shaper is such a versatile tool to have, your explanations and blackboard drawing are very helpful to illustrate the proper fit of a dovetail. Thank you
This explanation is amazingly complete and concise. Thank you so much for all the effort you must have expended to teach us how along with the added humor that transcends all native languages (I especially like the pussy joke) 👍👍😎👍👍 One day I hope to find a shaper to add to the arsenal of metal cutting tools in my shed.
Nice outcome Rusti 👍, I intend to remake the compound for my little homemade Lathe in the coming months now that I have a mill, but alas, it will be with dovetail cutters
I think the shaper I'd the better choice for the dovetail Shapers tend to cut very straight A milling machine leave always circular scratches in the workpiece
Highly enjoyable video. Presumably you would chamfer, radius or break edge the tip of the included angle on the female part to avoid interference ( and also to make fitment easier). Much in the same way as a brake disc register diameter has a sharper radius at its root than that of the hub against which it lies flat.
Nice video and presentation. I wonder if you have any video about dovetail shimming? Particularly two shins (end to end) adjustable by a one screw per end.
Using pins that are the correct diameter to suit the angle, allows the same measurement to be used for each part providing the deepest depth is used for the calculation. For 55 degrees the ideal pin diameter is 36.5% of the depth of the deepest dovetail. For other dovetail angles 60 degrees is 1/3rd of the depth & 45 degrees is 41% of the depth.
@@machinists-shortcuts For fun, I did the math. So further to your excellent no trig video, the ratio of the pin diameter to depth is equal to the cosine of the dovetail angle divided by ( 1 + cosine of that angle).
@@richardjones-sl2zd That all works out to my calculations too. I will add your simplified formula to my video description for others to use if that is OK.
nettes video zu schwalbenschwanzführungen. mir fehlt hier aber wie beim originalteil die einstellleiste. die höchste präzision hilft nichts wenn der verschleiß kommt und man nicht nachstellen kann. zur präzision sei noch gesagt, dass das ausgangsmaterial bzw die parrallelität des ausgangsmaterials entscheidend ist für den schwalbenschwanz. jede minimale abweichung übernimmt man wenn man das werkstück ausspannt und umdreht. präziser wird es wenn man es tatsächlich eingespannt lässt und für seite 2 den hobelkopf auf die andere seite schwenkt. einstellen kann man ihn dann mit einem winkelendmaß. ist auch zu empfehlen bei seite 1, da man ja einen fixen winkel erreichen will und nicht irgend ne krumme zahl, die sehr schlecht reproduzierbar ist.
The angle of this dove tail is not 60° (more or less 55°) so, to reset the same angle to the other side with the tool slide is very difficult. The methode I used (with the fence) is repeatable and works very well.
Hi Michel, great to see that. Yes a mill could be quicker but how often do you have the right cutter? Tooling is the killer on the mill if you don't have a customer to pay for it. Having both machines gives so many options. The fit on your new part was spot on. Cheers
I have only ever had two mills, a rong fu & now a clone. I only ever made the tool holders using a cheap dove tail cutter from china, I used the same idea as you did, rough out the centres and then the angles: only I cheated took the tool post from the lathe and test fitted it when I did the cuts. Not smart enough for the measuring .... Good onya
the hunger gets bigger and bigger when I see the shaper working again. I'm still rebuilding. question how long is the oil collection tray at the back of the ram slide
I do quite a bit of oilfield repair work, I’m hoping to add a well taken care of shaper to my all manual machine shop in the near future, people are always telling me just use your mill but this video is exactly why I’m wanting to add it to my arsenal in the shop. Thanks for the video
I think the hardest part is roughing the centre part not sure best way like use parting tool and go ti depth in each section or rough out a vee as you did, i will try both
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the RU-vid video of the year. Secret weapons, Heavy Vise throwing contest (because I need to get rid of all mine. I don't want to be a p***y) and lots of great special effects, laughter and learning. Damn I like the finish that shaper makes. Great video Michel. Gilles
Great video Rusti, before I make my lathe tool holders (how did you know?), I need to make myself some rails and clamping fixtures etc. Thanks for the very useful video! Cheers, Jon
Thank you. This was both informative and very amusing. "So it isn't possible. Goodbye. Wait..." Very funny. As you were setting up the tool slide angle I was wondering why you weren't hogging out the waste first. In order to avoid interference between the tool and clamps might I suggest making some of Harold Hall's low profile clamps.
Hi Michel ☺ this was great, and explaned quite simply . This just goes to show we don't need to over complicate things to end up whith a good result. Thanks for another interesting video mate, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
A great lesson Michel, thank you for sharing your knowledge. I really enjoyed the slow motion footage of the shaper in action. I really like this tool and hope to buy one some day.
@@Rustinox It doesn't say much for you being a machinist and not knowing This Old Tony and also his sense of humor. You could learn something...but then again, probably not.
@@daveunderwood6498 I like Tot very much. He has a fantastic channel. The problem is that people keep repeating that shapers are slow. I've prooven several times on my channel that they aren't.
Well done. This is one of the jobs I'd preferrably do on a shaper (cost of a profile mill aside), because the surface roughness is in line with the movement which the piece would see in action. Therefor (in my brain, at least), it should wear less and produce less friction than the semicircle pattern a mill would leave.
