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Cutting Down A Tom Into A Snare // 15" 80's Gretsch 

Mike Malone
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00:00 Intro
00:46 Building The Snare
11:17 Demo
14:28 Final Thoughts
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Комментарии : 104   
@gregwonhoff7161
@gregwonhoff7161 16 дней назад
Mike, I just want you to know how much I love watching your project videos. It’s fun being there with you in your garage and seeing a true master perform.❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 16 дней назад
Right on
@Overlycomplicatedswede
@Overlycomplicatedswede 20 дней назад
These conversions are easily my favorite series on the channel. I really enjoy the lower undertones the drum creates!
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
Not sure I consider the conversion projects a series, but more DIY videos on the way!
@1thess523
@1thess523 20 дней назад
Oh modern worship drummers would love that low tuned sound with the Snare weight 👍
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
Agreed!
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 19 дней назад
Some of us modern Worship drummers also like very high tuned open metal snares 😂
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
@@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power your sound guy doesn’t
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 19 дней назад
@@malonedrum we have an understanding: Make it work.
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 19 дней назад
@@malonedrum He probably rolls of the highs a bit ( which is what I would do ), and a few other things.
@DrumMenace
@DrumMenace 20 дней назад
I love a good project video. Restoring an old King Beat snare right now, myself.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
Nice! King Beats are fantastic drums
@amazish
@amazish 20 дней назад
l have a 1930's slingerland brass snare 15"x6.5".... love it
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
Very cool!
@AntonioGarcia-qf6gi
@AntonioGarcia-qf6gi 20 дней назад
I came across your videos randomly and I love them! Greetings from a drummer from Madrid, Spain!
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
Welcome aboard!
@NoelPhear
@NoelPhear 18 дней назад
Just stumbled on your channel and watched til the end no scrolling on phone. That’s a good sign. Subscribed and looking forward to more. Thank you
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 18 дней назад
Appreciate it!
@OlmezDrums
@OlmezDrums 14 дней назад
Low tuning sounds MEAN 👿 love it 🙌🏼 Very nice to hear how you approached the snare bed. I had a 12" tom converted and at my first try I cut too deep so had to recut the bottom edge and redo it. It was stressful 😅 next time I may also do by hand and shallower.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 14 дней назад
I think very shallow is fine for modern heads.
@NATAGUILARMUSIC
@NATAGUILARMUSIC 19 дней назад
Dude your videos are the highlight of my RU-vid subscriptions!!
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
That’s super kind of you to say!
@ivannio8519
@ivannio8519 18 дней назад
A joy to follow your work. Watching from Denmark :)
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 18 дней назад
Appreciate it!
@taylorjones2553
@taylorjones2553 19 дней назад
Love the walnut gloss kits you have. 👌🏻
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
Me too! Been a journey acquiring all of those drums.
@taylorjones2553
@taylorjones2553 19 дней назад
Doesn’t get much better.
@williamfotiou7577
@williamfotiou7577 9 дней назад
I love drum factory direct . I’ve been using them for years, their products and services are top notch. Beautiful project! Yo do fantastic work!
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 9 дней назад
Awesome! Thank you!
@williamperri3437
@williamperri3437 17 дней назад
Sounds studio ready! Initial it shines with the low tuning.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 16 дней назад
Thanks!
@viktorondrums3347
@viktorondrums3347 16 дней назад
Great job! Cheers from Brazil 🎉
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 16 дней назад
Cheers! Very excited to watch my Green Bay Packers playing in Brazil this September!
@bradlyscotunes9156
@bradlyscotunes9156 19 дней назад
Loox beautiful; Like the fat sound. Thanx for the 411!
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
Appreciate it!
@erniebertuzzo8020
@erniebertuzzo8020 19 дней назад
Gorgeous! Looks sharp Mike.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
Thank you!
@1thess523
@1thess523 20 дней назад
I actually put two different weight, hoops on my newly acquired Pork Pie Little squealer 13x7 and it made a very nice difference and now it sounds even nicer. I went to Sam Ash to see what scraps i could find and I bought what I thought was a 14in 2.3 Gibraltar triple flange for my Ludwig Acrolite Black Galaxy but it turned out to be a 13in but it still worked out and for $8 it wasn't a bad thing. I have a lighter hoop on the bottom of the pork pie amd the thicker 2.3 hoop on the top and it did cut out a lot of overtones and it brought out more of the maple crack sound 👍.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
It’s a pretty underrated factor in snare sound.
@jorymil
@jorymil 12 дней назад
Do you ever use brad point or Forstner bits when drilling holes? 1/4" brad point bits are really nice for drilling cleanly in wood, and the sharp point of the bit works well to keep the bit centered. It also helps with tear-out: the small point protrudes through before the main body of the bit, so if you're careful, you can drill the final portion from the inside.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 12 дней назад
Not typically, the forester bits I have fit more in a different category of thicker than standard holes I need for smaller things, and not big enough for the larger holes I need. Brad point bits are great though.
@trummpeter
@trummpeter 19 дней назад
Very nice work! I think it sounds awesome. I have a 15x8, and it took some getting used to. Keep up the good work!
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
Thanks!
@gonzorudeboy
@gonzorudeboy 19 дней назад
Great work as always. I converted a 12x9 rom to a 7.8 deep snare. I didn't have access to a table saw so I used a Japanese hand saw. It actually was quite fast and a lot cleaner that I initially thought.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
I'm blown away you could get a straight cut with one of those pull saws.
@davidhuckstep9703
@davidhuckstep9703 18 дней назад
Awesome job Mike awesome video as always
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 18 дней назад
Thanks!
@CaptainBlueSam
@CaptainBlueSam 20 дней назад
Seeing Jeff in a drumkini was not on my list of things to see today. Love the vid!!
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
🤣🤣
@JohnViguerie
@JohnViguerie 17 дней назад
Fill the lug cavity with Shoe Goo to get rid of the sympathetic ring
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 17 дней назад
I typically like to use cotton balls, not sure about the Shoe Goo, but I guess that could work
@vazquez808
@vazquez808 19 дней назад
I built one from an old 80’s 6 ply Ludwig and I couldn’t find the sweet spot either. I ended up loaning it to my buddy’s son. I don’t know if it’s a mental block since I’m not used to playing a 15x8 or if I didn’t cut the bearing edges correctly. It was for sure not my first go around either. Btw, it was a pleasure meeting you at the Chicago drum show this year.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
Likewise! Always great to meet in person
@stevecurtis-go8kk
@stevecurtis-go8kk 18 дней назад
Tuned high it sounds slightly like a timbale. I like it and it sounded decent on my sound system Thump speakers.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 18 дней назад
Good to hear!
@ristretto24
@ristretto24 19 дней назад
The low tuning sounded really sweet. Awesome work!
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
Agreed!
@candyfarrar8057
@candyfarrar8057 19 дней назад
I love 15 inch snares. The drum sounded good in the middle to me
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
Yeah, I agree with you
@eliasarroyo4929
@eliasarroyo4929 19 дней назад
Amazing job 💪
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
Thank you! Cheers!
@Sundaydrumday
@Sundaydrumday 19 дней назад
Wow, great job on this Mike! Looks to me like you did a great job on the snare bed, that is the part I would be scared to do for sure. Bet that was pretty nerve wracking.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
Thank you kindly!
@JulianFernandez
@JulianFernandez 19 дней назад
great tones!
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
Thanks for listening
@ChrisSlowik
@ChrisSlowik 19 дней назад
Beautiful work! Don't need those lug gaskets though.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
I understand some feel gaskets added extra stress on the shell, but in some cases I enjoy the way it tightens up the sustain, and when I add them, I try to make sure I don’t over tighten them to have extra stress on the shell.
@geoffcowan2384
@geoffcowan2384 20 дней назад
I have a 12x15 Tama Imperialstar just waiting for this treatment. I’ll probably cut it down to 8x15 and have a 3 1/2x15 scrap to maybe make another drum out of. Yours turned out nice.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
Very cool! Good luck.
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 19 дней назад
I shortened a cheap snare ages ago, and totally knew nothing about snare beds 😂 No I wonder, I could never get it sounding like a snare again 🤣 Not to metion the shell cut ans bearing edge were probably terrible.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 19 дней назад
I've been able to talk with a lot of great builders about snare beds since, and my opinion has changed even since this project. Definitely learning.
@amazish
@amazish 20 дней назад
l recommend trying die cast hoops and single ply top head.... it sounds good though
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
I think a single ply top head is for sure my next try with this.
@amazish
@amazish 20 дней назад
Well done ! You can start a drum company ; ] But really, well done
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
The world doesn’t need another drum company, especially not run by me
@chiefluke210
@chiefluke210 18 дней назад
Hey Mike, just wanted to know if you could give me some advice. I have an early 2000s Tama Swingstar kit. It sounds fine and tunes up decent with thicker heads and moongel. The hoops are rusted in spots and every one of them is bent in some place. I live in Pittsburgh so DFD is close by, I was wondering what new hoops you’d recommend from them that aren’t too expensive? I play in a prog/hard rock band and usually like a deep tone with plenty of attack. 13” rack, 16” floor, 22” bass with the Accu-tune hoops. Any advice on new hoops?
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 18 дней назад
Sure, new hoops should help. I’d reach out to them and I’m sure they’ll make solid recommendations on what to purchase.
@chiefluke210
@chiefluke210 18 дней назад
@@malonedrum Thanks Mike, will do. Great video as always! As far the 15” snare goes, it might benefit from an Evans Hybrid snare head and tighter tensioning to get a better mid range tone? Or maybe an Aquarian Reflector snare head, so that playing low will give you a fat deep tone and harder hits will give you a mid/high tone. I’ve found that controlled sound black dots on snares are great but only short term, mine kinda gave out on me after 3 months.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 18 дней назад
@@chiefluke210 I think I'd go the opposite with a thinner head actually.
@crimskeyofficial8474
@crimskeyofficial8474 20 дней назад
How much would roughly cost to get into doing this do you think? Starting from no tools at all
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
Oh, that's really tough to say without tools. It'd take me way too long to watch this again and try to calculate the costs of every tool and piece used along the way. Just start with simple tools and simple projects, buy used.
@timm1139
@timm1139 19 дней назад
I agree, there’s always guys getting rid of nice older tools at garage sales.
@c3N3q
@c3N3q 20 дней назад
👍👍👍
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
👍👍👍
@SataNick666
@SataNick666 20 дней назад
Why didn’t you make a “snom” out of it? Regardless, it looks and sounds cool!
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
I have a marching snare that works great for that sort of thing.
@garrettguadiana1327
@garrettguadiana1327 18 дней назад
Sad part bout this drum it doesn’t have the 30 baring edge like Gretsch.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 18 дней назад
What difference do you hear between the 30 and 45 degree bearing edge?
@garrettguadiana1327
@garrettguadiana1327 18 дней назад
@@malonedrum 30 gives more warmth 45 is a sharper direct tone.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 18 дней назад
@@garrettguadiana1327 I understand how a round over edge gives a warmer tone, but in mu opinion, since any sort of straight angle chanfer meets the head at a finite point, I don't really see the 30 degree edge (at least on a mostly interior cut away) having much of a noticeable different sound. Also, to get the most definition and clarity out of a snare, I'd imagine a sharper tone would be ideal, especially on snare side with the head so much thinner.
@garrettguadiana1327
@garrettguadiana1327 18 дней назад
@@malonedrum but it’s a Gretsch shell!! Kinda sacrilege. But I get were you’re coming Just it’s a Gretsch thing. Broke my heart seeing a 45 edge and not a 30. Is my point.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 18 дней назад
@@garrettguadiana1327 I don’t think so, Gretsch sells a number of USA/custom snares with 45 degree edges, but if it’s what hangs you up from enjoying the drum, that’s fine.
@suggoz
@suggoz 14 дней назад
Why make an 8 lug? For a 15' snare you got to have at least 10 lugs.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 14 дней назад
Why does it have to be 10 lug? In fact, on 14” drums, I love 6 lug drums like old Ludwig Pioneers.
@laiftaim
@laiftaim 20 дней назад
Your content is always interesting, so I enjoy it. However... this is my opinion, but the wood filler is really... untidy to be used for anything higher than a low-priced, entry level shell. It might be a 6 lug snare, or a low-priced shell snare such as poplar or basswood. That's a disappointing item for the Gretsch shell. 15x12 shell, good size. If it were me, I would not cut it and make it a fat and deep SNOM. Because that is the way to preserve the original appearance of the shell as much as possible. And... this is a personal question of mine, why are all Gretsch rack toms 5 lugs? No matter how good I try to look at it, it's nonsense. The same goes for SONOR's vintage BD Spur, and old drum makers seem to have strange stubbornness... that's my review. There is no need to insist on 5 lugs rather than 6 lugs. There is no need to produce all BD spurs as vintage types. What do you think? All Gretsch rack toms, even USA custom ones, are 5 lugs. There may be an advantage to having fewer rugs, but my position is that there is no need to insist on it. Sonor also does not need to always produce only vintage spurs... It seems to be a tradition of old brands, but... it seems old and unconvincing to me. Mike, I'm curious what your opinion is. Thanks.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
I enjoy the 5 lug drums fine, but I don't spend too much time worrying about it to the depth you have. Thanks for watching the video!
@laiftaim
@laiftaim 20 дней назад
@@malonedrum I guess you interpreted what I meant a little differently... see, Gretsch's drums are BD - 10 or 8 lug, floor toms are 8(or 6?) lug, and snares are 10 or 8 lug, similar to other drum makers. But especially... all rack toms use "5" lugs. In the drum market, 5 lugs is a specification that is hard to find except on the lowest priced Chinese made beginner drums. Sonor's vintage spur is old, but even if it's okay in its own way, Gretsch's adoption of a 5 lug rack tom is... difficult to understand. None of the manufacturers - dw, Sonor, Yamaha, Pearl, Tama, Ludwig - use 5 lug toms, right? Don't you agree? I'm not trying to get you into an argument... I'm just asking you, who seems to know a lot about drums, for your opinion on what I've always thought. That's it.
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 20 дней назад
@@laiftaim they believe it creates a bigger sweet spot, never had an issue getting a great sound out of mine, so I don’t spend much time worrying about 5 vs 6 lug layout on a rack tom.
@laiftaim
@laiftaim 19 дней назад
@@malonedrum I think I've heard about the reason Gretsch always maintains a 5 lug tom... I'll have to find out more. I always wondered why they were so different. I was also surprised that there were almost no 15" snares or 16" snares. There is no such thing as a flat crash... I hope you think of these as the questions of a person who has been exposed to and researched drums for a long time. Thanks.
@nuArk-eq9mq
@nuArk-eq9mq 14 дней назад
Be aware folks, there are examples out there pretending to be genuine vintage snare drums
@malonedrum
@malonedrum 14 дней назад
If I were to ever sell this drum, I’d obviously disclose to process used to augment it from a tom to snare.
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