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@D2G_Enjoi 7 месяцев назад

few weeks before I take the CWB vertical & horizontal test. This video helps more than all of two semesters in college.

@billygoat6825 3 года назад

Great video, I would personally run the roots hotter at 120amp with a 7018 1/8 rod. Gotta remember that plate is cool to the touch before you’re first root pass so it can handle more heat. You do have to watch you’re travel speed a bit more and adjust if needed but those hot roots are a huge part of getting good fusion. I’d also mention to have that rod straight to the plate with maybe a 5 degree push at most. I see a lot of welders on there tutorials pushing uphill and it’s not a good technique to keep doing, especially if you’re running colder. Great video

@jeremyvanessen2687 2 года назад

This helped alot thank you for commenting it, really took out some of the convexity i was trying to get rid of for my stringers

@fasstimes9122 Год назад

I roast em in at 120-125amps

@toddpick8007 10 месяцев назад

running that hot vert can cause the weld pool to drip alot

@mimusic1853 2 года назад

Love the play by play it puts the viewer right in the shop with you. Keep up the great work Professor⭐️⭐️⭐️

@robertblackman3451 4 года назад

Hey Redbeard, great job explaining what's going on while welding uphill I've been certified for structure for seven years, and I learned something and I definitely understood your explanation of gouge and fill. Great job.

@dasmith3054 4 года назад

Jason, I'm new to your video's but I really like how you try to make sure you are clear on what you're showing while running the bead, Thanks

@yurimodin7333 4 года назад

Jason, at first I didn't like you(I am a BIG Bob Moffatt fan) but you are AWESOME, I love what you are bringing to the channel :)

@jasonbecker3362 4 года назад

Thanks for the honesty. I’m a big fan of Bob too. He and I still chat frequently. I’ve learned a lot from him.

@_multiverse_ 3 года назад

Passed my 2g today watched your 2g video yesterday lol.

@bushpoo 4 года назад

Gotta do the weave cap like a true Canadian lol

@fatkkaatt1310 4 года назад

In the U.S. we say, if you be weavin, you be leavin

@crashed6510 3 года назад

Here in BC my instructor will not let us weave this stringers only he said most inspectors require it

@jamesstewart8056 3 года назад

Weave it wide and wish it well

@palmerhowe3137 3 года назад

thats not even allowed on the CWB test lol

@vangoghsseveredear 3 года назад

I've most certainly weaved the cap on my test. But this was years ago, and I just do the check test now, so maybe somethings changed. I think its up to the inspector honestly

@fusinweldingfabrication3255 4 года назад

Looks good man! Only difference for the tests I’ve done is the inspector doesn’t let our roots touch, we out put the roots in and than have to do a hot pass down the middle to join the two roots and backing plate together.

@GrahamClan16 2 года назад

The exact thing I'm worried about going into my Vertical

@lukedeatley9480 4 года назад

Jason I know you were an iron worker but you should do a video of you trying to stick weld pipe! It’d be a great learning tool for green hands and it’d give you something new to try!

@jasonbecker3362 4 года назад

Working on that as we speak.

@ProtossBossSauce 4 года назад

I use 3 passes in this root. It gives you more control and less need for manipulating the pool. Its easier to avoid roll back or grapes occuring. Again, the included faults combined must be less than 1/8 or 3.2 mm not each flaw itself. Also, all of these tests allow you a 15 degree tilt to your workpieces which can also help you with slag rolling back. Especially in this postition. The undercut would be questionable, If it passes visual by 1/32 of undercut you may have passed, you may not have. its at the examiner. If you see a small level of undercut on your cap, place another pass over it after letting some of the heat cool down. Most people are rushing to smoke this thing out. Roots, fills LET IT COOL and cap it.

@colecook1116 4 года назад

Agreed. When i went too college for a weld and fab course, we were taught too always run a 3 pass root, 1st past on the 90, second on the bevel, and third in the middle

@johndeepfreeze8514 4 года назад

i run 2.......stringer on 90, weave on the bevel

@mrillis9259 2 года назад

Should be able to bust it out quicker by dropping amps. He's going to fast for what I'd do. Alot of flicker in his arc, which isn't the end of the world. Should be able to control his deposition rate speed with hotter for both FC an SM, Ann just keep dropping down from welds that are only just two inches wide really. If bender just go hotter than you like get comfortable an drop them in as hot as possible with enough deposited.

@danielpullum1907 Год назад

Excellent instructional process. I had weld training in college (3 classes) I taught basic welding in a high school setting. Later, I received production weld trng at Caterpillar, most prod jobs were positioned in flat or horizontal. The last formal training was also via CAT and trained for maintenance welding(all positions). I love to weld but don't get much practice in retirement. LOL.

@seanjames5028 4 года назад

Where I'm from, our inspectors tell us to run the 90 side long and do the stop start near the top of the plate and the bevel side do the start and stop near the bottom of the plate. Either way is correct, as long as your stop starts are in the root bends of the coupons doesnt matter. But I find running the 90 side long give you more heat in the plate for a better stop start.

@seanjames5028 4 года назад

You also have the choice on which side you want your square side on right or left

@nateman34 4 года назад

Good advice, thank you

@aaronhobbs8716 4 года назад

Weld.com has gone downhill. Im CWB certified in smaw,fcaw/mcaw. That plate is a fail.

@seanjames5028 4 года назад

@@aaronhobbs8716 why do you say that plate is a fail? Nothing over 1/8" . And I'm also certified in smaw/fcaw. Carbon and SS.

@aaronhobbs8716 4 года назад

Sean James look at it. The visual is a fail bud. This guy on weld.com needs to practice

@caseymcadams5483 4 года назад

Great welds. I do mainly TIG everyday so this kinda sorta makes me feel like a puss. Thanks for the video brother

@marcmanget311 3 года назад

Marc from Winnipeg, I love watching your CWB Test Video's. Thanks Very much.

@serenestateofbeing1062 4 года назад

I mig weld aluminum boats. I used to go to school for steel welding and loved it. Once I got into aluminum and learned how to actually weld it right, I fell in love with it. It's easy, fun, satisfying, fast, and clean. If you mess up your weld, grab a gouger and in 5 seconds, youre ready to weld again. The stick welding arc AND welds looks like garbage compared to aluminum done right. Nobody on youtube can weld aluminum decently. A perfect aluminum weld looks so beautiful. I like how fast aluminum is because I'm really tiny so I get shoved into holes and awkward areas that are hard to get. Some positions you have to use all of your energy to hold yourself up and to stay steady. If I was welding steel like that, I'd be sitting in that uncomfortable position for twice if not 3 times as long. With steel, if you messed up your weld, you would have to get a huge grinder and grinding disc and slowly grind that shit away. Dust and sparks suck. An aluminum gouger takes huge chips so you can shake them off, unlike dust. Plus gouging is probably 20 times faster and easier, literally. I'm not shitting on steel welders, in fact I respect them. If anything I'm too big of a baby to do steel lol

@davew3348 4 года назад

Jason another excellent video thanks for all the advice and experience

@jasonbecker3362 4 года назад

Thanks for watching. Glad we could help out.

@nutchunder 4 года назад

Basically the exact way I was taught in school other than running the 90 long. Good pointer on restarts after the root. If you are running out of rod on a fill/cap try to stop in the middle of one of the outer coupons to keep it away from the face bend.

@tdsjolly 3 года назад

You explained it waaay better than my instructor

@tapioca7115 4 года назад

Nice welds Jason

@jasonbecker3362 4 года назад

Thank you.

@MrAccordman 3 года назад

Thank you for making this video I will be watching it another few times just to learn your hand/ wrist technique. Lots of information. Extremely useful for learning. Thank you again. .

@ajsironworks3937 4 года назад

Lots of haters out there!!!! Dude nice work. Way to put your welds out there man. You’re awesome in my book.

@joeciok 3 года назад

I’m re testing after being expired for a while this week. One thing I’d point out is that most inspectors will make you run your long bead on the 90 then your short on the bevel THEN you go back and finish both beads. 90 side first. Also way to go pointing out about how to not chase out undercut. The cwb guy who’s gonna look at my plate will definitely pull out the $1000 digital callipers if he thinks I tried to chase anything out. You are allowed to remove 5% the thickness of your base material. Anything past that is an automatic fail.

@alexjardine9745 4 года назад

Whenever I do this test the inspector gets me to do the long stop on the square side and the short stop on the groove side. That way he can check both stops at once and then I do both restarts and he checks them then I can fill and cap. I also find that the fillet side fills up quicker than the groove side if you do the root in 2 passes. But if you do it in 3 passes you don’t have to do an extra fill pass on the groove side and your root will never break on the bend

@steelhorse1724 Год назад

really great welding buddy , im having so much trouble trying to learn how to weld vertical beads , but will definety apply your techniques to my backyard training , when the weather gets warmer. God bless keep making awesome vids bro!!🤘🤘💪💪

@ninesixteengenetix 3 года назад

I passed a 2G test like this last year w/ a single bevel groove, 3/32 wire Dual-Shield 100% c02 , structural test.

@rockcrusher4636 4 года назад

Like to see you talk about stress relieving after welding.

@brobean9509 2 года назад

watching night before my Cwbs tomo. thanks kings

@unclequack5445 2 года назад

Exactly why I always weld uphill in practice and at work if you can master uphill everything else is easy.

@kc-5786 3 года назад

Hello.. while doing thr CWB, A thing I see you not doing in your video (I know grinding/removing the back plate is not fun). I would like to see how you are doing this step (that is crucial in my opnio ).. grinding angles.. and which way to grind "with the grain".. and to prevent "dishing". Thank you for your time.

@anthonylongo1465 3 года назад

Awesome video. Great camera work. Best weld test videos on youtube 👍

@zackblack1824 Год назад

I center punch the backing plate where I do the start stops. Easy to see.

@warrenjones744 4 года назад

Jason how are you removing the backing bar? Milling, grinding or air arc and grind? Perhaps you could explain specimen preparation in a future episode if you have not do so previously.

@jasonbecker3362 4 года назад

There’s several way to do it. I prefer to use a saw and a mill but here’s one on how we do it in the shop ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bz0-I2kLd0U.html

@VortekXtiik 4 года назад

One of the best ways to learn is using an arc gouger and it takes a few seconds, just find the line and “chase” it out without gouging into your 3/8” test plate, my instructor got us learning to gouge backing strips with 3/8” rods, another way is washing it off with a torch, these ways have more of a chance to fuck up but they are common in industry and are great skills too learn.

@warrenjones744 4 года назад

@@jasonbecker3362 Excellent Jason. I was curious how you did it. I use a saw & mill as well. Or the CWI will do whatever it is he does

@jonhy2x4 4 года назад

Im australia we a taught to do weaves for the caps at our trade schools

@kristiantjomsland7745 4 года назад

When I learned to weld (a very long time ago) I mean to remember that we learned to put the last stringer in the middle. I think the reasoning had to do with the crystal structure in the heat affected zone. Is this right?

@drunkmike9943 3 года назад

Why haven't i seen a weld test demonstration with the non dominant hand???? In my experience on the job I have to use my non dominant hand about 25 percent of the time or making a weld that you can barely see with one eye or making a weld holding the stinger in a very unorthodox way or hanging over the side of a structure making a vertical weld looking at it 2 foot from above. That's just a few things new welders will see in a real world situation. A weld test is the easy part when you get out in the field you will be expected to make welds that look impossible.

@al3440 10 месяцев назад

“Over compensate” with the tie in. Tie in lower than you think you need to go because generally speaking one usually ties in higher than need be

@bradlee101 3 года назад

my last weld inspector would of kicked me in the nuts after be recovered from a heart attack on that face bend!!! he almost failed one of my coupons for having 1/8 defect!

@miszced 4 года назад

Jason, are you kinda proving all these CWB tests leading to welder certification are more stringent than those of AWS?

@iinventedrunescape 4 года назад

Philthy McNasty very much so.

@carolshawol6699 4 года назад

I don't really see to point of welding joints like this that are more prone to weld defects especially in the field do what's easier a double bevel

@miszced 4 года назад

@@carolshawol6699 typically testing/certification is meant to be stringent. If the welder is properly trained he/she should be be able to execute acceptable welds in all conditions.

@vangoghsseveredear 3 года назад

@@carolshawol6699 thats the point. In Canada we have those tests, but it only clears you to weld bevels. This test has a 90 and a bevel and clears you to weld both. It makes sense. If you cant weld a 90 on a plate, you cant weld a 90 in the field. Makes no sense to do a test that you'll never see in the field, in my opinion

@darcymcnabb9259 3 года назад

Yes they are as well are C.W.B. welding inspector certification are recognized by A.W.S. but A.W.S wielding inspectors certification is not recognized by C.W.B. ...that might have changed by now ?

@josephd2059 3 года назад

Great job, I prefer stringers the way did them. This is better than weaving.

@jessecastro3551 3 года назад

Good welding thanks for sharing your knowledge

@markbroad119 3 года назад

Hmm. I had the same inclusions with the under cut and that failed it. They were more than 1/8 long. Both of ours

@goatsinker347 3 года назад

These videos need an unbiased weld test inspector to add their options

@LilFish0 Год назад

Very nice, Red Beard

@darrinborst7205 4 года назад

Is the 4G one coming up?

@GaryForgingOn 4 года назад

Great weld and I appreciate the videos. Thank you

@Welddotcom 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@lilcarlitoful 4 года назад

The long side should be the fillet

@danielledarke7249 2 года назад

Hey can you guys do a video of cwb re-test after you have all four positions all you need to do is a half vertical half overhead plate to be re-certified

@najmussaquib2181 2 года назад

Hello, Your all welding video are really terrific, thank you very much

@cameronthompson2256 3 года назад

Hey man! Cool video, why didn't you use a strong back?

@toddpick8007 10 месяцев назад

Nice welds, why didnt you weave after your root passes?

@dominicdimartino5005 2 месяца назад

Im gonna be taking a certification test at school on Thursday and I chose vertical as my cert because itll look pretty good on my resume, only thing is i have trouble getting my vertical welds nice and flat, they always have peaks and droops as I call them, or theyre wavy, which i know is inconsistent travel speed. What could i be doing wrong as far as droops and peaks though? Also, what oscillation pattern if any do you recommend to get a nice looking vertical bead?

@nekomasteryoutube3232 9 месяцев назад

Not only did I fail a GMAW bend test (2/3 was good)... I just got really grumpy and even kicked the Linconln once and I just dropped out. It it worth it for me to get back into welding the heat and the sweat?

@mattfogarty8144 3 года назад

Good video red I'd like to see some more pipe welding videos 6 inch schedule 40 stick all the way out

@melvina6673 4 года назад

Sounds fun good way to make sure you know how to tie in correctly.

@dhanwatiesukhai2524 4 года назад

Thanks for sharing this video. Awesome awesome awesome indeed Love the series. Lots of tips and techniques. Thank you very much. (Andrew).

@brandonphillips8148 4 года назад

Yeah, we're not allowed to use backing plates at welding school at TCAT in Mcminville TN

@chrisroberts8161 3 года назад

We aren't either, this is a structural test. Doesn't make you a journeyman

@seanjames5028 4 года назад

Question? Are you adjusting your machine as you're welding? Or you leaving it at the same amperage and just allowing your plate to cool off? Personally I adjust my machine down every couple passes. I'd start around 118-120 amps and probably cap around 105(these numbers I use for vertical only). The only cool down I give it really the time it takes me to turn the machine down. With stainless I do allow cool down time, but regular mild steel its more of a get in, weld, go home. The faster I can go home.the better.( at least for me anyway).

@jasonbecker3362 4 года назад

I usually run about 110-115 for the root fills and pass. Let cool just a bit for the caps to avoid undercut.

@nilomyki 7 месяцев назад

@Welddotcom Silly Question: When you're moving side to side is it over for the flux to lightly touch the material?

@FoggamingMc 4 года назад

ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT YOU GET GOOD PENETRATION IN THE ROOT OF THE FILLET!!!! if you are a good welder the rest is easy.

@fleecejohnson5750 3 года назад

@aaronhobbs8716 4 года назад

That plate wouldnt pass the visual. Lmao

@johnschmidt2964 4 года назад

Agreed. Fucking terrible.

@combsjboyvirgo 3 года назад

The visual Was a lil shaky but Wasn’t that bad that it would fail. Thanks for doing this video, great camera 🎥 shots.

@johnschmidt2964 3 года назад

@@combsjboyvirgo wrong.

@combsjboyvirgo 3 года назад

@@johnschmidt2964 what it looks like to you and weld requirements are two different things

@johnschmidt2964 3 года назад

@@combsjboyvirgo Im a CWI. Lol.

@vendetta1306 4 года назад

This guy is reading my mind

@chrislayton9625 8 месяцев назад

How long do you cool from each pass

@fbpliegorrivero8869 4 года назад

Excellent pieces!

@jaysonlorenzon88 4 года назад

You should do a check test plate after you do a overhead one

@briankehoe8156 9 месяцев назад

I failed for the same type of undercut after the bend test on my 1g

@fraggingremlin3868 4 года назад

Just wondering what the work angles are for multi pass? I know for single beads you want to go straight in but like you were saying you want to angle it into the rock. Do you want to use a different angle for the other beads as well on the multi pass layers?

@codywallace6948 4 года назад

What welding caps do you use

@matan7668 3 года назад

Why is everyone saying you're not allowed to weave on CWB? Where does it say that in the CSA W47?

@Brainmalfuction 4 года назад

I start my test the same way but weave it out after the root is in i really don't like stringers in vertical my self.

@mrillis9259 2 года назад

Those are big stringers.

@getredytagetredy 3 года назад

Any undercut is unacceptable From too much heat and running with it instead of laying it in.

@sheldonbenjamin3100 3 года назад

Can you make a video 3 pasa root on a vertical test

@RedLittleChicken 4 года назад

What kind of welding jacket is that?

@chrisingram9798 4 года назад

If this was a Canadian welding test, shouldn't half of it been done in French ?

@Bulldog_65_2 4 года назад

I'm Canadian. And I laughed.

@worksonjunk 4 года назад

Frenchmen will get over it

@theoldschoolconnoisseur2991 3 года назад

Probably better off to do it in Punjabi

@guspritchett7024 4 года назад

I’ve got a question about skip welding and with 100% co2 welding gas for flux core wire 1/16 flux core wire

@mrillis9259 2 года назад

Im gonna ask about the pre bend marks an if it's official that it's NEW marks, yet someone else bends ours. Dude got busted grinding his coupon down. Fail.

@weldweld5629 4 года назад

They bent good but those final cap passes would never pass for any of the inspectors I have ever had you can clearly see @14:16/14:20 there isn't even 30% tie in coverage unfortunately it looks like the bead on the right is almost just a straight stringer but keep em coming.

@johnschmidt2964 4 года назад

Agreed.

@swoodzy1 3 года назад

Do you clean after each pass? Or does the weld "clean" and eat through the slag?

@andyvillen1134 3 года назад

Could you show us how you prep the ticket for the bend test? Wondering how your getting the backer plate off

@icecaptain9378 3 года назад

Oxy Acetylene torch gouging and grind it flush.

@darcymcnabb9259 3 года назад

The backing plate and face are machined off by C.W.B.

@jeremiahselinger6252 4 года назад

You have your stop and start backward the fillet it 4 1/2 and 1 1/2 for you bevel just saying

@worksonjunk 4 года назад

I was always told to never weave on the root. Funny how you do it and get away with it. I want to try this way because it seems more natural to me.

@VortekXtiik 4 года назад

I always did my root with stringers, you can lay perfect stringers all day, no need to quicken the job by weaving the whole thing, it’s just more slag if you do.

@carolshawol6699 4 года назад

Not to mention the heat input does weaken it

@jackpeck2494 4 года назад

That doesn’t count as a weave what he was doing it’s still a stringer

@worksonjunk 4 года назад

@@jackpeck2494 anything over 2x your rod diameter is a weave, so that's a weave

@jackpeck2494 4 года назад

Matt Perry oh really did you measure the fucking weld i’m willing to bet you didn’t

@viorelscrob6391 2 года назад

From the bottom up is correct for vertical welding?

@pouyansamadi567 2 года назад

perfect

@original_2nd864 3 года назад

You gotta weld the square edge and stop then tie in the bevel edge and stop then show the inspector the way you did it would be a fail

@_high_plains_drifter_5079 4 года назад

Whats the best way or technique to do stringers on vertical up, I did weaves on my D1.1 cert test and passed

@jasonbecker3362 4 года назад

My preference is stringers.

@_high_plains_drifter_5079 4 года назад

@@jasonbecker3362 would you be able to do a video on that please

@_high_plains_drifter_5079 4 года назад

@@jasonbecker3362 thank you I appreciate it

@jasonbecker3362 4 года назад

Artemio Angelini no worries man. Glad we could help out.

@ypaulbrown 4 года назад

Outstanding!!!!

@johnkizziah108 4 года назад

Always stringers are better less chance of slag inclusions.

@seanjames5028 4 года назад

No need to troll you for the undercut. I have seen many people fail from grinding too much. Inspector says it's good just leave it. Grind the plate down and leave it 3/8" thick. No need to chase the lines. Like I said I have seen many people fail because the try to make the undercut disappear. Then the inspector says, well this isn't 3/8" anymore and throws your coupon away.

@jasonbecker3362 4 года назад

Exactly, I figured I’d throw out the disclaimer for those who don’t understand but still comment anyway 😂

@quadtracker85 4 года назад

Seen a guy grind his coupon down to 1/4 thick chasing inclusions.

@jasonbecker3362 4 года назад

quadtracker85 damn, that’s a bit much. Lol

@VortekXtiik 4 года назад

Some people try and fly through the test to quick, they would start grinding the face side first instead of the root, even though they are root coupons and the face side isn’t even being bent, then they grind the shit out of their root chasing a line or something and it’s on a coupon that that is a face bend. Which only reduces the tolerances of the test.

@sheldonbenjamin3100 3 года назад

Would a 3 pasa root be accepted in the vertical test

@PigeonSwag 4 года назад

"I can admit when I'm wrong. Its not wrong though"

@rafaelirias2317 3 года назад

Great weld.

@user-kj7vh5ik1o Год назад

What would a welder able to make these welds expect to earn in the industry?

@VortekXtiik Год назад

If you have your all position wire and stick tickets with the CWB. You can probably find a job easy and make good money. At least on the coast of BC.

@chancecolwell3823 2 года назад

Can I use a 7018 5/32 on this test

@hernandoamortegui3090 2 года назад

Gracias por su valiosa información soy Instructor de construcciones soldadas.

@jaredpaciorek6535 3 года назад

Who made your vest I like it ?

@dhanwatiesukhai2524 4 года назад

I noticed that the process made a double bevel after the first pass

@jozsefszabo6130 3 года назад

Guys, according to the paper, 7018 1/8 uphill stringer bead 120-140 A, but 120 A looks a lot to me, how is it?

@David-mt4qx 4 года назад

I have questions I would like if you answer with honesty. Well I’m trying to get a multi process welding machine. Out of the machine that you have use which are rebel, miller, and everlasting which one do you recommend me to get to practice and also that can get work done.

@EastwayPyro 4 года назад

I thought it was a 1/8" combined?

@jesshull9169 4 года назад

According to W47.1-09, the sum of the greatest dimension of all discontinuities exceeding 1/32 but less than or equal to 1/8" shall not exceed 3/8". Pg. 21, 9.11.1 Bend test clause of CSA W47.1-09.

@EastwayPyro 4 года назад

@@jesshull9169 cool thanks for letting me know!