When i think to him and Myers i think that meme of the girl and boy "Babe, it's 2pm 😄, time to bring me back your friend that i turned into a weapon ans is now dying" "Yes President 😔"
Reed goes beyond just that. Hes tore within himself in regard to his loyalty to NUSA as a political entity / his cause that he had sworn to fight for and his friends who stands opposed at this point to the NUSA. At the end he chose the cause he took up oath with.
I don't rightly know why, but the way he said "You got three seconds!" Made me laugh unusually hard for some reason. He sounded like a father warning his child.
If you side with Reed you’ll see he really does try to save everyone and seems to care about them. Even your character. He’s loyal to his people. He kind of does act like a father to a certain extent. But, unfortunately he’s more loyal to his country and as we’ve seen, he’ll do anything they tell him to do and that includes betraying his people.
I like to think that reed let you kill him to get So Mi to space and out of Myers hands. He probably didn’t want to take her back to the NUSA because he knew they would just keep on using her. Not only that, but he was able to finally die and move on from all the shit that he’s gone through
he does shoot and kill you in every scenario where he has the upper hand. That is the only occasion where you get the drop on him. Even his last words betray that he was too late - too late to shoot, too late to get so mi out
Went for the headshot as soon as I heard "one". I went "nope, the only way I survive this is if I get the jump on him". I thought he'd put up more of a fight, seeing as how some folk in Night City can shake off a single revolver headshot.
I never got that dialogue. I was salty to discover she betrayed me and literally reverted my save to the big choice to side with Reed and throw her to Myers for payback. Being a petty gamer is funny at times.
@@BenMorganxD it was quite anticlimactic considering the wild shit I went through with the NUSA moments before I thought the choom would at least put up a fight
I honestly like Reed a lot more because at least he follows through with his promise of curing you. Albeit with a twist of no cyberware and it being two years later than expected. I still save Goro every playthrough tho. In the end both were fighting for what they thought was right.
@@phantom.wreath i think the twist of no cyberwere. And two years later come from nusa. Theres theory in Reddit both devil and nusa ending v was sabotaged Simply because both nusa and arasaka knew how dangerous v is to be let roam free. Thats why v didnt get cured by arasaka despite they probably could and nusa need to let heat cool down and ensure v didnt do something funny due to songbird Regardless i feel bad about takemura he simply have Lucy past but work his way till became saburo own bodyguard in a corpo full of backstabbing he did work hard
@@phantom.wreath I think Reed's promise was a half truth where he would vouch for you and the FIA surgeons would cure you on but also purposefully neuter V's ability to use cyberware on the president's orders thus removing a possible threat the board and making V dependent on the FIA for work and support after losing everything. Whether or not Reed was in on the sabotage is hard to tell cause he genuinely believes in the system and following orders but also isn't a complete sociopath who would do something like that fully intending to back stab you after you helped him clean up his mess.
@@Trussme96He is worse than a sociopath. He is a patriot. He blackmailed Songbird into joining the FIA and then just casually accepted her being forced to endanger humanity with Blackwall and getting possesed by rouge AIs all for a power hungry dictator
Over the course of the game, we get attached to Goro, and he to us. He's loyal to Saburo not only because of his personal debt, but also because he believes in Saburo's vision. Even if we don't share his views, we can get where he's coming from. Reed is as much of a stranger to us at the end of PL as he is at the beginning. He's barely even a person anymore, just a puppet of Myers who doesn't care about anything or anyone. Notice how the first thing he does here is try lying to V about helping Songbird, and he only drops the lie when he's called out on it. Reed only grows remorseful after 2 years, but by that point it's too late to change anything, and he himself won't change anything about his life, either.
Who watched Bladerunner with Harrison Ford will agree that Reed after got shot in chest get pose of Rutger, you remember that line "All those will be lost in time like tears in the Rain. Time to die" and fortunely this scene was during rain.
I agree, with these lines of dialogue and trying not to kill Reed really makes the ending of this DLC really emotional. I was playing as Nomad Male V, and choose the same lines you did, and it was so much more emotional since I opened up to Reed earlier in the DLC... "I'm sorry, man..." "T-too damn... late." "Space is pure freedom, So Mi..."
me personally , he had to die once he wanted to be petty on the phone and say "is that what you told jackie welles at kompeki plaza ?" when you tell him you're not turning yourself in
Gotta hand it to CDPR when they portrayed Reed as an uncompromising agent they weren’t kidding. I really thought there was a third ending or a “Don’t Fear the Reaper” like end.
Wondered why you always get the revolver to shoot Reed and thought it was some kind of western standoff thing, but i think it's a reference to what Reed said to V when they met. About how you sometimes have to put a choom at the end of the barrel of a Malorian. And that it isn't personal. Shooting reed at the end just isn't personal
@@net343 considering the Overture is a Malorian gun they 100% intentionally chose it as a callback to that very line, if they wanted generic they would have just stuck with the liberty
I get that they wanted to make it a difficult decision, but if I was in V’s place here I would have just shot his leg and took the gun so both of them could live.
After all he suffered, all the friends he had to sacrifice, his years of service to a country that abandoned him and left him bitter and alone, death came "Too damn late". Hope you found peace in the afterlife choom.....
Honestly, this mission made me go back an redo everything. I mean the game alluded to Song being a walking talking WMD, but when you actually see it in the and take part in it, I was like, this bitch has got to die. No one should have this power.
I mean the NUS isn't gonna kill her, they will use that power for political means, the moon? That's the way to go, since the people doing the operation remove the power from her, they harvest the blackwall energy from her body essentially turning her into a regular person, that's why you get her kit after the ending. Who harvests the power? We have no idea, still there's a ton of wmds in this world.
@@kitchenersown in the moon awaits Mister Blue Eye, whom is aligned with "the things beyond" and in the whole Peralez side gig. So not exactly a good option either
@@tinatpasselepoivre I'm aware of that, but the truth is, V can't change the world. Even if V doesn't take the job, someone else will. And I'd rather have an apocalyptic world where V and songbird have the slightest chance of survival than an apocalyptic world without them.
@@kitchenersown giving her up to be used as a weapon considering the damage being done to her seems pretty cold since she'll now be a prisoner after helping to shoot down the president. You think they'll give a shit about her well being after that. No, they'll use her up until she dies from the damage. Mr. Blue Eyes would probably do the same. He's just an AI avatar anyway. It's better V just kills her so no one gets what they want because none of them have good intentions. Sometimes the only winning move is to make sure everyone loses.
In the end of Phantom Liberty If you sided with Reed and Kill Songbird Reed will say V was right all this time And he had no intention to go back into FIA Business More like he will now Live with his own thoughts What is right and what is wrong
Amen to that, she was just a dumb kid before they turned her into a walking nuke no one deserves that, plus Reed killing the people you steal the looks from kinda cemented my choice, shows the kinda people he is and works for
Should have just been a cutscene. It wouldnt really take away from the feeling that you did it or whatever because you already pressed the button labeled “draw weapon”
@johnny4221 does that happen ANY other time in the game? there's even a draw weapon option in the DLC and it's just a cutscene to shoot the guy, sorry I wasn't ready for inconsistency I guess.
Wow the first time I did this I usually just shot him in the head. I never knew he had a whole animation and mine for being shot in the chest. Damn it. They got me again. BO2 didn’t the same crap with Mason XD.
honestly? helping So mi get to the moon is by far one of the worst endings you arnt saving her, sure we saved her from death but shes traded hands from Myers to Mr blue eyes She betrays you, plays you for a goddamn fool. worst of all? if she doesnt get her way and decide to help reed at the neural matrix, she destroys everyone in her path and goes down into cynosure to essentially let ais through to this world. shes a walking talking nuke, its best to side with Reed and then kill her. Reed comes to an understanding at the end and plans to leave the NUSA, Songbird is put to rest. and most importantly people stop poking at the sleeping dragon that is the blackwall.
Uhh what are you talking about? Helping her get to the moon is by far the best ending! That's the ONLY option that actually saves her and lets her LIVE HER life. Handing her over to Myers (Langley) is likely eternal imprisonment/slavery in some cyberspace fashion - Reed even explains that the neural matrix couldn't help her because the blackwall had destroyed too much of her (But that she still lives... And will return to "duty" - "a fate worse than death" as So Mi calls it). Besides - who turned her into a walking talking Nuke? Myers. Reed confirmed that. And letting her save her life untangles her from the Blackwall protocols (And Myers who continues to entangle her further into the blackwall). - Are you a Corpo??
We know Myers is bad. We don't know anything about mr blue eyes. it's the only ending where songbird might actually end up ok. It's the blackwall itself that's the time bomb, not Songbird.
She is a threat to the world, even if you send her up to mr blue eyes (which is worse because we dont KNOW HIS GOALS AND BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE ONE THING WE DO KNOW IS HES MINDCONTROLLING PEOPLE) she still knows how to cross the blackwall, and mr blue eyes, a likely ai based on the info we have, WOULD WANT THAT the best ending is to kill her, follow reed up until you can end her suffering no more songbird no more poking at the blackwall niether mr blue eyes or myers get what they want and reed walks away with his eyes open
This still somehow feels like the wrong ending I know that reed is a loyal dog but so mi lied her ass off and tried to make us keep our promise to helping her and her plan was to leave us out to dry and die so i “betrayed” her because in the words of V she dicked us down already
@@Tsumefan2 yup, which is why its the best ending. She wont be on myers hands nor the blue eyed mans. She also wont have to worry about how shes a ticking time bomb. She'll finally have peace and She'll also die knowing that someone cared for her, that being v. Yes its bittersweet but in comparison to the other endings? The king of cups is better by a mile. This is my opinion tho so dont be mad😘
@@bartoszboboryko4684 I didnt. I didnt hate Reed, but didnt care much for him either. Despite me knowing, well into this, that Song was lying, and that she planned the plane crash. Once i learned why Song did all this, my path was clear.
Bro the Nusa turned Songbird into a cyborg slave. There is no world where a moral person should give her to them. I say this ending is best morally and then second best is the one where you help her die in the Cynosure core. That's it. I won't do any other. Myers is a c**t.
I uh maybe shot him in the head in this scene, i was thinking "life or death" and ofc i tested to see if hed shoot me which i was right, so next spawn 1 to his dome and he fell back like dead weight, didnt know you could centre mass him and itd be different.
Didn’t know there was a count …I talked to him a little then gave him 1 to the head and 5 to the body. Then just yelled an Omniman quote “Why did you make me do this???” at my TV
“So, V.” “Yeah Missy?” “I am curious. After she told you the truth. You still helped her, even though you knew it was your best chance to take the cure. Why is that?” “She… she needed me. Out of everyone in Night city, hell maybe the whole shitty world. She was the only one who knew what it was like to be on borrowed time in your own body.” V sighs. “But, I wasn’t alone. I had you, Vik, hell I have Panam, Judy, and River. I have my chooms, my family. She didn’t have anyone. Not a single god damn person had her back. Wasn’t sure if I was going to have her back either after I realized she’d been spinning yarns since I met her. But, when I saw her. Really saw just how scared and alone she was. I just, I just had to Missy.” “I promised, yknow.”