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There are 2 critical values in getting your valvetrain geometry correct. Valve install height and spring install height. On some models of cylinder heads, getting these values is easier than it is on a 4g63 cylinder head. On the first Glyptal video, you heard me complain about the complexity of the casting and how hard it was to reach all the nooks and crannies while applying that coating. The casting is very complex on a 4g63 head. There are hydraulic galleries for the lifters elevated above the valvetrain surface which make accessing each valve bore with precision measurement tools very difficult. It's because of this that you need to do some math to get these values correct.
Stuart is going to show you the process for obtaining the stem height and spring height values on a 4g63 head. Using these numbers you can determine other work necessary to correct the spring height value to correct seat pressure, and ensure you have adequate valve travel for your springs to work correctly.
It looks like rocket surgery, but really it's pretty simple. The ultimate goal is to get every valve spring in as close proximity to one another as you can, while doing your best to nail the recommended specifications PROVIDED BY THE CAMSHAFT MANUFACTURER.
Loose valve springs can result in leaky valve seats, valve bounce and deflection that will drastically shorten the life of the valvetrain. If valve bounce is severe, it can cause engine-killing interference with the pistons
Tight valve springs can cause excessive valvetrain vibration generated by the force necessary for the camshafts to push them open. On the narrow side of the spectrum this can increase friction on the cams which can wipe lobes and shorten their lifespan, and on the severe end in not only increases the likelihood of wiping a cam lobe, it can lead to binding valve springs and crashing the valvetrain.
You have to hit the sweet spot.
Valve springs specifications include several variables that help you achieve these goals. The manufacturer rates their springs for their installed pressure and height. They have a compression limit referred to as valve spring bind which tells you how far you can compress them from their installed height before the coils begin to bind and the spring stops compressing.
The valve springs used in this video are rated at 97lbs @ 1.440" installed, and .500" lift. This means they should bind at .940", but my cams will only generate .433" lift, giving me plenty of head room at the top (.067") to prevent binding if they are installed correctly. One thing we found which I wasn't expecting is they're a little on the stiff side of spec. We measured 100lbs at 1.452", so rather than risk setting them up too tight at 1.440", we made 1.452" our tightest clearance's specification for any valve. Our install pressure ended up still higher than spec with a barely-larger-than-spec spring installed height, and it left plenty of room at the valve's fully open position to avoid spring bind.
I don't consider this a defect. It is close enough within the margin of error that it shouldn't cause any problems, and anyone doing this job right will measure and check all of these specifications to ensure these parts are what they say they are. That's what you watched us do. I'm confident that this will work because the 4g63 utilizes a hydraulic self-adjusting valvetrain.
If the stem height is too high, it can be reduced by grinding the ends of the valve stems to shorten them. This will have no affect on spring installed height when the parts are assembled, however; it will change the amount on paper that you'd need to subtract from the stem height in order to accurately calculate spring installed height. If any of the valves have been ground to shorten their stem height, all of the valves should be measured separately with their retainers and keepers assembled, and that new value subtracted from stem height individually to obtain each spring installed height. You can't reduce this value any other way short of replacing the valve seat.
If the valve stem height is too low, you can modify the valve seat or machine the valve spring perches (seat or retainer) to increase the size of the spring installed height. Another method would be to cut the valve seat deeper to recess the valve.
In my video, we show this whole process on a brand new set of Supertech valves. All of them are identical, and all of the retainers are new and identical. Because of this (and yes we checked it), and because no valves required any grinding, we only needed to use one value in our math for all 16 valves.
Hopefully this video clears up the process and covers the options available for making changes if they're necessary. If you land within 3% of spec, you've done your diligence in achieving correct valvetrain geometry.

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@theslimfil
@theslimfil 11 лет назад
It is truly disappointing seeing guys like you spend hours upon hours creating quality videos and end up with 15K subs. While another guy commentates while playing video games and ends up getting millions of subs. People who make superb quality videos with a lot of info like you should get much more recognition. Anyways great videos, Can't wait till I hear that GSX purr! :D
@93paxon
@93paxon 7 лет назад
well he has 75k subs now so theres that
@lorenhusky2717
@lorenhusky2717 8 лет назад
This video demonstrates the attention to detail that building an engine properly takes. I think it's important to see just how specific you have to be when you do a build. DSMs have long gotten an ill reputation for being unreliable because there have been many a DSMer that do not do a build properly like this. Thanks for showing people how to do things the right way instead of just happy go lucky bolting crap together like so many I've seen before.
@Smedleydog1
@Smedleydog1 8 лет назад
I didn't notice you replacing the valve guides. I used to rebuild engines for a living and I would never go through all the work you did without replacing the valve guides, or at least knurl & ream them to proper specs. For high performance or high RPM engines we used bronze wall guides. Also, we would put a little Vaseline or lithium grease on the valve keepers to hold them to the stems until the compressor was released. You could damage a keeper & or valve and maybe not know it until you drop the valve during engine operation. I rebuilt a lot of agriculture and industrial engines that were coated with something like Glyptal inside but never coated one myself. After watching you do it, I imagine I never will. These videos bring back great memories.
@drogynturalyon9914
@drogynturalyon9914 8 лет назад
That thumb will haunt my dreams forever...On another note you were right exactly 3 comments before someone asked why the head was painted lol
@lm0315
@lm0315 8 лет назад
Thanks for this video. All the tech info aside, it is super cool to see what the machinists do. It is like taking a peek behind the stage curtain and seeing all the work that goes in the back behind the scenes!!
@ashy_gee6
@ashy_gee6 10 лет назад
The most useful channel I found so far Jafro. Your channel def. educated me a whole lot. Keep video coming.
@donerae8682
@donerae8682 8 лет назад
i have learned alot from watching all of your videos i worked on my 4age20v engine and step by step following your procedures i was able to port and polish take rough casting away and much much more thanks and great job like always
@tsifreak
@tsifreak 11 лет назад
Its nice to find a shop that will help you out it that much detail
@1InfinityShade
@1InfinityShade 7 лет назад
I should have started with your channel when i wanted to learn about building engines. Another awesome video that's in depth where it needs to be but to the point.
@youtubasoarus
@youtubasoarus 11 лет назад
So awesome and so technical. You wouldn't know about all these variables until you see a video like this at the machine shop. It's like voodoo really. Pretty cool.
@WilliamDye-willdye
@WilliamDye-willdye 11 лет назад
Another Jafro vid! Thanksgiving just got even more Thanksgiving-ful. :-) These videos are far and above my favorite series on RU-vid, and are one of the main reasons that I'm starting to become a gearhead.
@spineblaZe
@spineblaZe 11 лет назад
Amazing info, keep the uploads coming! And tell that shop thank you! That was very cool of them to let you in there and detail the process.
@brandongrow1914
@brandongrow1914 11 лет назад
Awesome! I have just found your channel in the past week and have been hoarding over my laptop. Just wanna say great informative videos and happy turkey day
@Mebob2001
@Mebob2001 11 лет назад
i have bin following him for a while now, no idea how long but for sure a year, when he had the crankwalk on this engine i felt like crying for him haha but he is very very good and knows his 4g63's
@DJDevon3
@DJDevon3 11 лет назад
Next time how about hiding some doughnuts inconspicuously. I think going through the drive through was way too obvious lol. ;P Amazing episode. Love the decommissioned drill press. What an awesome way to re-purpose a press! I have HLA's but I learned a lot about SLA's and shims. Thanks!
@switchest26
@switchest26 8 лет назад
My boss said to me when ripping down and re building an old head..."Why did you bother to keep all of your cylinder head items in order,?...surely they are all the same parts....".....this video said it all!
@Jafromobile
@Jafromobile 8 лет назад
You got it, bud! Manufacturers try to make everything uniform, but in the event that they didn't, or that work has been done to correct machining tolerances, this is exactly why it's a good practice.
@switchest26
@switchest26 8 лет назад
Jafromobile thanks mate....obviously out the side street garage there isn't gonna be the precision as in he shop you show here, but the basics should be observed at any rate...good vids mate... all the best Martyn UK
@LGS_Inc
@LGS_Inc 10 лет назад
Nices videos. My EVO X cylinder head is leaking a little and my AFR dips at idle. I must say that you have inspired me to remove the head and see whats wrong with it my self. Once I find the issue I am sure I can drop ot off at my local machine shop, then bolt back on the head. Thats for the inspiration and motivation.
@tonkatoytruck
@tonkatoytruck 11 лет назад
One thing missing from the video is the discussion of valve guides, how you know you have a bad one, and how they are installed.
@tonkatoytruck
@tonkatoytruck 11 лет назад
I was wondering how you were going to handle this subject matter. I love tools but, like you, have to draw the line somewhere. Still great information and why, if you are just rebuilding, it is so important that what you take off the head, has to go back exactly where it came from. Happy Holidays and wish your mother a wonderful Thanksgiving for us!
@Mebob2001
@Mebob2001 11 лет назад
i would take my heads to this guy in a second!!! very professional!
@RICKAFIX
@RICKAFIX 11 лет назад
The powder-coat looks awesome
@youtubasoarus
@youtubasoarus 11 лет назад
It's a painted coating he put in in some of his last videos. Not even really paint, it's some sort of coating. I can't remember why he did it.
@RICKAFIX
@RICKAFIX 11 лет назад
Glyptal
@mechguy83
@mechguy83 11 лет назад
Great video! Looking forward to the engine assembly !
@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP
@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP 10 лет назад
That's one pretty head you've got there.
@andregross7420
@andregross7420 11 лет назад
I know this is a newbie question, but why didn't you lightly oil the valve components when you installed them? Not just the valves, (which were oiled) but the valve springs etc.
@beau8827
@beau8827 10 лет назад
Drill press compressor was awesome :)
@Matty-Z
@Matty-Z 11 лет назад
@ 0:20 Your machinist's hand has evolved to better handle intricate parts! Sorry, I don't want to make fun of a disability (although I'm not convinced it is), but it shocked me at first glance.
@nontasanastasios7612
@nontasanastasios7612 9 лет назад
he has the perfect hand for a machinist! amazing , funny how life works sometimes (and im not trying to insult him)
@93paxon
@93paxon 7 лет назад
oh wtf I didn't even notice that
@3aeren
@3aeren 5 лет назад
@@93paxon lolllll
@MykolasGarnys
@MykolasGarnys 11 лет назад
Sickk, I can probably use the same methods when I redo the valve-train on my wrx with a 2.5 block.
@cbarr0288
@cbarr0288 11 лет назад
Hey jafro - 1st, awesome videos. They've been so helpful in my endeavors so far. This is off topic, but removing the axles I managed to shear off the bolt where the lower control arm meets the shock tower fork on both sides. I was told heat and lube. Tried a propane torch and it didn't get hot enough (not red hot) even after more than 10 min. This has me wondering which type of torch you use? I've seen you use it in a number of vids.
@JamieLetman1
@JamieLetman1 10 лет назад
Hey quick off topic question... How do you heat your garage in the winter? I am trying to work on my car this winter but i don't know what heater would be safe to use while using stuff like brake clean so yeah just wondering what you do. Btw I love your videos they have helped me out alot. I have a 93 Eclipse with the 1.8 4g37 motor. I know they dont have any real power but its still a great car. Thanks for reading this if you do.
@morpheusjr373
@morpheusjr373 10 лет назад
Awesome video! As an engineer, listening to imperial units is painful though...
@seanhatch4425
@seanhatch4425 2 года назад
Hey Jaffro! When checking installed tip height do we install the hardened spring seat before measuring valve stem tip height?
@Jafromobile
@Jafromobile 2 года назад
I just did a whole new video about this. Look for the Galant VR-4's new cylinder head. It's not the one I'm polishing right now. It's right before the polishing video. I bought $1,000 worth of tools, explained the math, built a spreadsheet, and demonstrated how to nail your valve spring height within a thousandth of an inch. It's a ridiculous venture with an unnecessary level of accuracy, but someone had to do it.
@seanhatch4425
@seanhatch4425 2 года назад
@@Jafromobile Thank you sir! I will find it and study it.
@gregcomernc7912
@gregcomernc7912 10 лет назад
Love the video! What machine shop do you send your work to? Im finding it hard to locate a shop that i trust in doing this kind of work. Thanks!
@berockization
@berockization 11 лет назад
Wow, fantastic info and format! How did the "free length" of your springs spec out?
@Kapok6
@Kapok6 10 лет назад
Jafro, I have a question regarding valve stem height. I see that he measured the height of the valve stems, but nothing was mentioned about how to correct the tip height, especially if it is too short. This was all about valve spring height and adjustments. A quick example of what I am talking about. I believe on the intake side at the beginning of the video, at least one of the valves had a tip height of 1.935", (49.149mm). My understanding is that the spec on the intake side is 49.2mm-49.7mm. Anything outside of that range is said to put the lash adjuster out of it's optimal operating range. So how would this be corrected? I know that if it was too high, then you would just have the tips ground until the tip height was within spec, but how to you get the valve tip higher? Is a deeper valve job the only way to move the tip further up? As the gentleman said, you don't want to do that as that negatively affects flow; but is there any other way to fix that? In your case, it may be a moot point as it was only about .005 off from the minimum spec, but just for theoretical purposes, I wanted to pose the question. *EDIT* I had only watched the video, but not read the info posted below, which is where I saw my answer. Sorry for that.
@Jafromobile
@Jafromobile 10 лет назад
No worries. I read your whole question anyway, and you were on the right track. Yes, recessing the valve further with a deeper valve job is the only way to do that and keep that valve. If you buy a new valve, chances are it will be longer. The second option is the route I'd take first. ;)
@TheMikevt
@TheMikevt 10 лет назад
What was the cost of the head rebuild, After valve springs installed? Not including time, lol.
@Xsidon
@Xsidon 4 года назад
one thing i wonder is where can i find all the specifications for how much pressure given spring has to have? is that commonly aviable info or do you need some expensive software?
@Oranger37
@Oranger37 11 лет назад
cant wait for the next vid
@ryotaryuu
@ryotaryuu 11 лет назад
If I want to have this type of work done and reproduce the work on this head what should I tell the machine shop to do? I don't have the space tools or knowledge to do it myself but would like to have a head worked on for my car at some point.
@madmike5144
@madmike5144 8 лет назад
Awesome video again :)
@Michaelf4117
@Michaelf4117 11 лет назад
Great video!
@juanyboo12345
@juanyboo12345 10 лет назад
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR JAFRO
@vanwilliams6827
@vanwilliams6827 7 лет назад
Make Jafro's GSX great again
@Garagerat.
@Garagerat. 11 лет назад
Good, n high guality video as always :) thank you
@DJUniK
@DJUniK 11 лет назад
Can't wait to see you build that engine and raise the GSX back from the dead!
@bowenflob8036
@bowenflob8036 5 лет назад
Great video
@raymondkelderman7139
@raymondkelderman7139 11 лет назад
love it, more!!
@Pull_It_Apart_Paul_Ham_CB
@Pull_It_Apart_Paul_Ham_CB 11 лет назад
Thankyou
@4g63junkie
@4g63junkie 11 лет назад
great videos
@miguelcortes9943
@miguelcortes9943 3 года назад
I know it has been years since this video came out but does anyone know the name of the machine shop?
@dc5000123
@dc5000123 11 лет назад
Awesome !!!
@davidchaidez4887
@davidchaidez4887 7 лет назад
hey jafro how much woukd u charge to rebuild my engine?
@PHUSII
@PHUSII 4 года назад
nice job
@Yzftube1
@Yzftube1 5 лет назад
So if the height is within 0.010" there is no need for shimming? Is that correct?
@Jafromobile
@Jafromobile 5 лет назад
Yeah, pretty much! Just pay attention to that rocker angle. There's typically enough variation in the valve spring manufacturing to negate any benefit of trying to be more accurate than that. Springs can also degrade over time, so unless you measure the spring install height and check each one's pressure, within a hundredth of an inch, or one pound of pressure is considered a precision job. Stuart always gives great advice.
@pleite567
@pleite567 10 лет назад
why not polish your intake and exhaust?
@robsp32
@robsp32 10 лет назад
Maybe i missed it, what is the coating on the inside of that head?
@Jafromobile
@Jafromobile 10 лет назад
Look up "Glyptal Application" on YT. Top hit. ;)
@ΑφοίΠαπαγεωργίου
@ΑφοίΠαπαγεωργίου 4 года назад
what car's engine is this cylinder head for?
@AlchemistLair
@AlchemistLair 11 лет назад
Nice!!
@ionvasile7929
@ionvasile7929 4 года назад
Someone , please tell me. If a put back the old pieces, do i have to take all these steps/ or take the head to the machine man?
@Ryan_1997
@Ryan_1997 3 года назад
Ever figure it out?
@R.E.HILL_
@R.E.HILL_ 6 лет назад
90 degree thumb? I want a 45 degree one...
@TEAMMVT
@TEAMMVT 11 лет назад
you got the wrong seal for the intake... you should have got the exhaust for both intake n exhaust. that is why GSC just sells blue for both
@TEAMMVT
@TEAMMVT 11 лет назад
plus they make shims for 4g63 in 0.2 - 0.3 - 0.5
@anthonywendt5834
@anthonywendt5834 7 лет назад
Jafro, this is totally irrelevant to this video but I figured maybe you can shoot me in the rite direction. What are I guess you'd say "normal" machine shop prices? Like getting a head decked, basic valve job, and getting a cylinder head cleaned up? I feel like i'm getting robbed from the place I'm dealing with here in NJ!
@Jafromobile
@Jafromobile 7 лет назад
I have paid between $225 for the basics to $950 for the basics plus a mild port job. I used to be able to get an inline 4 8v head done for as little as $125 back when NAPA used to have a machine shop nearby, but those days are over for me. It all depends on what you bring them, really. I can say with certainty that if you have a valvetronic BMW, you're looking at a bill in the multiple thousands no matter where you go. Most machine shops bill by the hour. When it comes to head work, those hours can add up fast depending on what you're getting done. I'm not defending the shop you're using, just regurgitating what I've paid and what I've seen.
@anthonywendt5834
@anthonywendt5834 7 лет назад
Thanks man. Funny how I just realized you left a comment on this 2 months later. Makes sense though.
@JeanEstel
@JeanEstel 6 лет назад
To add with my little experience...My N55 BMW Head was $200 for just a rethread of the spark plug part. I broke a plug in there and that's what it cost me. No cleaning or anything else just that.
@SaWuDOHC
@SaWuDOHC 10 лет назад
did anyone else kind of cringe when he used the hammer on the valve seals? i pressed mine on with my index fingers and they just popped right on, i spun them a tad just to make sure it was seated nicely. awesome video!
@Jafromobile
@Jafromobile 10 лет назад
It shouldn't hurt anything... not with the light taps used here to seat them in place. The factory valve stem seal driver requires the use of a hammer. I do the exact same thing with a socket and an extension in one of my Hyundai assembly videos. If you don't press hard enough to make them seat, and one comes loose, you end up with some pretty serious valvetrain, oil consumption and vacuum problems. I have witnessed that exact problem before and it's a frustrating thing to take apart and fix once the engine's back in the car.
@Kapok6
@Kapok6 10 лет назад
I have used a ball peen hammer and a socket, so no, I didn't cringe.
@YouGotThrilled
@YouGotThrilled 8 лет назад
On some heads you can just press them on by hand with a socket, some you have to use a socket and a hammer.
@tonkatoytruck
@tonkatoytruck 10 лет назад
Well, I hope you get this copyright garbage sorted soon. I am getting a little shaky...................! Season's Greetings to you and yours.
@starfirerider
@starfirerider 9 лет назад
Why is the inside of the head painted ?
@Jafromobile
@Jafromobile 9 лет назад
Mike H Search "Glyptal Application" and you'll find all the answers. ;)
@xishootstuffx
@xishootstuffx 8 лет назад
+Jafromobile LOL, called that one didn't you...
@Jafromobile
@Jafromobile 8 лет назад
+ishootstuff Just imagine the flames if I didn't make that video… :P
@YouGotThrilled
@YouGotThrilled 8 лет назад
Its painted so the oil runs off quicker.
@markphilpot4981
@markphilpot4981 5 лет назад
Details people, details! The truth, the hell and all the sweating of the details separates the real builders from the wannabes! There are no second place finishers, only first losers in the engine building and any other technical world where lack of that attention to detail may cause someone their life, their living or both!
@melkerpower
@melkerpower 10 лет назад
yz80 (1988) cylinder at 00:24 ;)
@TheTwinkyehzZ
@TheTwinkyehzZ 6 лет назад
Will someone please teach this man how to say HEIGHT.
@RojoDelChocolate
@RojoDelChocolate 11 лет назад
"…And zero the stem height gauge against the machine bore for the spring seat, next you use a depth micrometer and measure to zero to get your stem height" imgur.com/JLyWL
@123Bosniak
@123Bosniak 9 лет назад
yeah i lost him like 2 minutes in lol
@andregross7420
@andregross7420 11 лет назад
Digital calipers? NOOOOOOO!
@DGOfTheCentury
@DGOfTheCentury 8 лет назад
Did you have to do all of this, because you are mismatching racing parts for one head? It seem fairly unnecessary to go to this depth for parts tht are manufactured specially for your motor. No parts are absolutely perfect, so is it foolish to put absolute confidence in the brand?
@Jafromobile
@Jafromobile 8 лет назад
These cams offer near the maximum lift range of 4g63 aftermarket stuff. It's not the highest lift cam set, but what it lacks in lift it makes up for with ramp angles and duration. Because of their aggressive profiles, I have to have the cylinder head as close to virgin-spec as possible for best results. That's why I installed oversized valves. This head had a valve job before, and that recesses the valves when the new seats are cut. With the lift my cams provide, I need as much clearance as possible on the stem side of the valve... so that the rockers and springs can operate with the proper range of movement, and also while correcting and balancing the seat pressure for my build. Using an oversized valve let me correct the valve install depth. It let me cut the valve seats to the depth where I needed them to contact the rockers. Then we corrected the spring install height by cutting the spring seats to the proper depth and using a shim where we had an anomaly to make the seat pressure balance out. Having just enough spring pressure for the rockers to follow the cam lobes without floating or wiping them, and also to keep the intake valves shut under high boost conditions. This level of detail is not done to factory parts when they're being assembled by the manufacturer. They're designed and manufactured to fit. The only stock part of my cylinder head is the head itself and the cam bolts. Everything else is aftermarket. I've put these parts together and made them a better, more balanced fit than a factory head. This is the level of detail you go through on a race build, but it never hurts to check the factory. Sometimes there are easy gains to be had.
@2112426gh
@2112426gh 6 лет назад
& why Jafro is a super Heavy engine BUILDER!
@rascalracer
@rascalracer 11 лет назад
ballos machine shop
@starfirerider
@starfirerider 9 лет назад
Thanks
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