I preferred the Cylon origin story from original BSG. A reptile alien race that emulated human physiology and created a security force of machines based on it. An oversight in the programming of their creations lead to the downfall of the reptile Cylon race.
The oversight was the reptiles sold their soul to Satan,"Patrick Magee" thus losing their physical bodies. The Cylon ruler always has the devils voice.
@@greiglennon That's how Apollo described it in the pilot episode and there is also a narrated intro by Adama describing this on some of the old VHS tapes. I'm sure Iblis had his hand in influencing the original Cylons as well.
THAT's why I figured they LOOKED like they did - with one eye and and a kind of fin on top of their heads. Maybe, THAT's basically how these reptilian beings were physically and they were cast in THEIR image.
I loved watching this show while I was still a senior at the University of Alabama in 1978. I didn’t like the cost cutting sequel in 1980, but really enjoyed the reboot with Edward James Olmos.
It was in reruns by the time I watched it as a kid. I was born in 78. You didn't feel put off by buck being a woman in the reboot? I don't mind woman characters or leads. I just don't like gender swapping for PC sake
Love the show, never saw the original but the one in 2004. I was hooked until the end which is very rare, I think it ended when it needed to end so for me it was the perfect tv show.
@@alexpratt71 I tried to watch the reboot. I couldn't get very far. The original Starbuck was a womanizer and I couldn't get past the shaking camera. In the old show the second in command on the ship was changed too. I remember my mom having issues with the reboot and she was a fan
@@stevegarvey5607 that’s a shame. It’s very enjoyable. But I can dig what ur sayin. I would suggest picking a random episode, from any season, and see if you still feel the same way, ur really missing some great stories. Anywho, it’s always nice to hear from an OG fan, like myself 👍🙂🐻
I remember as an excited little kid tuning in on Saturday Nights to watch the original Battlestar Galactica... When the remake came out, it was a little different for me having grown up on the original,. But I Did like the remake also
Really good production put you can't conflate the two timelines into one. Would've been interesting to see a split and comparison of how the two shows explained the origins. There's absolutely no way the two can be linked tho.
The 1978 Cylons DID NOT REBEL against their creators. You can see "The Imperious Leader", one of the last of the original biological creators of the Cylons, direct the attack against the Human Colonies. In the book, Battlestar Gallactica, by Glen A. Larson and Robert Thurston, (1978), it explains that the Cylons were originally a biological race that was dying out, and their machines were sentient, but living with fewer and fewer commanders. Also, the Cylons, were dominating other races and letting them live, but for some reason, were jealous of humanity and hated them and wanted all humans dead.
Mind you this is the origin that was retconned with the new stuff... in the original series, they were created by a race also known as Cylons (a lizard race, thus the appearance of the Imperious Leader) but eventually destroyed their creators and later went to war against the humans.
Strictly speaking in the Original Series they went on a campaign against neighbouring alien races until the Colonial humans came to the assistance of an ally, drawing the ire of the Cylons on themselves.
I agree Moore never did explain just WHY the Cylons made the Flesh bots or why they let them take over and treat them worse than the humans ever did. The whole Baltar betrayal plot is ridiculous and pointless when he put in jump drives as FTL, In the show they jumped into Planetary orbits so all the Cylons need to do is JUMP and instantly launch missiles. No defense system could react in time, especially after decades of peace. IMO Moore's BSG was garbage
In the remake they bastardized a story with incredible depth with huge creative possibilities, replacing it with a disjointed story with multiple plot holes and no way to give it consistency even with all the contact glue in the world. But worse is what they did with the main characters, especially Adama and Tigh in the first degree, but with the rest in the second. Removing basic characters like Athena and Cassiopeia. And if that wasn't enough, they changed an incredibly beautiful and majestic Galactica, by a kind of "Galactica" wrinkled like a raisin. I hope that someday someone will make a series that does justice to Glen A. Larson's original work.
I disagree ALOT. Moore's BSG was better, if you know the show well enough it is explained that the final 5 created the flesh models and that the newer centurions had inhibitors placed so they didn't have free will. @@johnfisher9692
@@YDV669 Exactly, and there are more of us than we seem. In my case, I admit that I enjoy rewatching the old series more than watching a single episode of the remake (Every time just by watching the Galactica of the remake and remembering the bunch of mental morons that are almost all the main characters, I directly lose the desire to see anything else. The only one I can tolerate in the remake is the one where they tell the past of the Pegasus... but it's not because of the show, it's because of the actress who plays Captain Helena Cain (Michelle Forbes).
Cylons: We have made our ships the pinnacle of technology, with advanced computers and vast numbers of missiles to smite our enemies. Colonies: We strapped some engines and more guns than should be allowed to exist onto a steel brick. Hack that, Toaster!
I like the reimagined miniseries but I still prefer the original. The novels (some of them written by Richard Hatch) expand the lore and are actually quite good.
Without revealing my age too much, I enjoyed the original as well. I especially liked the episode where they had to disable a large laser on an ice planet. Good acting, even by 70's standards.
@@pcjenkin I remember the original series as well - but only saw a handful of episodes ( it was my first year in the military - I had to stay focused on that ). It was the series with Loren Greene and Dirk Benedict. One of these days, I may try to go back and watch all of it. Prequel looks interesting.
The origins of Cylons were retconned for the reboot. Originally they were built by a species of lizardlike humanoids, which they rebelled against and wiped out.
Right. This video states the resurrection concept (Cylon immortality) was part of BSG's 1978 story, which it wasn't. That was Ronald Moore's re-imagined story (1990's) Marvelous Video is getting the storylines crossed. (3:04-3:19)
We always hear about how the world is being secretly run by lizard people. It makes me wonder if it is true because we are being told that we will be eating bugs. Also there is discussion on AI which could develop and then turn on humanity. Na!!!! I don't think any of that is true.
@@sidvane1 Those Cylons are CINOs (Cylons In Name Only) while their creators were real Cylons they themselves were genetically-engineered mass=cloned Human-replicants with some cybernetic implants, they were later retconned as having backstabbed their robot creators deactivating most of them with some managing to flee to deep-space (The Guardians) and the rest lobotomised.
I loved watching both shows the original and the later. You know these shows could be a warning about artificial intelligence turning on humanity. It's only a thought.
What I never got about the Cylons, aside from this making them perpetual story antagonists, is why they would keep wasting their resources to chase down the escaping humans despite how bloody they get in doing so... that makes them, in their OWN standards, quite human in inferiority.
@@Never_Know_Best I'm 100% with you on that... which is part of what I never got about them. Perhaps like the homophobe whose favorite thing is to menace/socially harass/politically oppose/religiously detest all forms of non-heterosexual because they are "in the closet." Tasty mind candy, eh?
Watch Caprica you will get the answer to your question. They were made from a father's sadness of the death of his daughter. By using a program made by his daughter to recreate her from information from the internet. The Cylons reached sentiance. With all the flause, emotions and ambitions of humans... so it wasn't a far reach after fighting for independence and failing. They would want to wipe out those who keep them from that. At the End of the reboot of BSG. the Cylons independents was recognized and allowed to go out and make their own way.
The Humans were mostly politeists were the Cylons gained senteince and almost inmediatly universally adhered to a fanatical monotheist religion, their quest to destroy humanity was basically a Jihad, yes, the Cylons were at the end quite similar to humans
Trying to put all the Cylons from both series into one video was a bad idea. It would be better to make a clear division between the ones from the original BSG and the ones from the rebooted series. It would be like trying to make a video about Lt. Starbuck - beyond both being cigar smoking viper pilots, they are very different characters between the original and the reboot.
In the BSG Re-Boot, the Cylon history is quite similar to the Cyberdine Systems Terminators! Mankind's own technology becomes too smart, sees us as a threat and wages a war of extermination!
So many amazing sci fi shows from my childhood! It was hard to keep up with all of them before the internet was becoming more mainstream with video media!
I like both series, the first one because of childhood memories and the second one because it is a more fleshed out darker grittier story with interesting themes.
While I grant you are correct-I feel the same way-if it wasn't for the ideas and overall story arc, the ships and people of the original BSG, there would have been no one to suggest a reboot to a popular show.
I recall the original Cylons from the Book WERE Lizard Aliens, they even had one scene where one of the Centurions as part of the Surprise Attack took off his helmet to look at his fellow warriors. This book also had Baltar getting beheaded, which they got as far as filming before they decided to spare him for the show. When they got to the TV show, well...regulations were odd to say the least. Humans fighting Lizard Aliens on a regular basis would be to violent, but humans vs the Lizard Aliens War Robots wouldn't.
I remember the comic scene where they slash his neck was also in the dvd disk version I have. Which must have been the original, like Tigerman getting a rocket up his backside in Buck Roger's theatrical version, but not when it was on tv.
I wish this video would have just talked about the original Cylons from the 1978 series. The reboot from 25 years later was needlessly complicated and as a result the Cylons weren’t nearly as intimidating.
Correction: The follow up series was known as Galactica 1980 and was set, mostly on Earth The 1978 Cylons didn't have resurrection ships and the like. That was the 2003 Cylons
I forgot all about Lizard People making the Cylons in the original series, watched it as a kid, loved it. They did great with the reboot, one of the few remakes where I can say they did it well and payed respect to the original. Unlike the average reboot of today.
If you watched the original series as a kid then you forgot about Count Ibli who corrupted the Cylon robots in turning against the reptilians. "War of the Gods" tells you how it happened and that he was the instigator.
I understood that the Cylons were originally intended to be reptilian creatures in battle armour for the 1978 version. It was decided that this would be too violent for TV, so they were changed to robots.
I watched the 2010 reboot. I still love that show. In that series, Earth was the 13th(lost) Colony, not the human origin planet. They found the original Earth, destroyed by war so, pressed on and found our planet 10k years ago. They settled in different parts of the planet and sent their ships into the sun. Interesting story because, both Cylons and humans mixed into the human population on Earth, inferring that we today are the decendents of those humans and cylons. As if they are the Anunnaki and their other known names around the world.
I was blessed to be adopted in 1985, to be able to visit UNIVERSAL STUDIOS in 1986 with my new family. Within this tour, I was able to see KITT, JAWS, A-TEAM, and The Cylon Ship as part of the tour back then. How lucky was I?!
It totally true. In War of the Gods Baltar and Coint Ibli have a conversation about how his voice could be the same as that of the Imperious leader as it being recorded or downloaded, into the imperious leader model Ceylon.
@@SamSchott1 probably not, but since the term download and AI were not in the sci fi lexicon at that time it's not that far off from what they meant I'd say.
The reason why the Cylons in nBSG initially got as far as they did when they revolted against the 12 colonies is because their AIs WERE part of the system, property cyber-security would've kept them locked out of Colonial computer-systems. The reason why the Cylon invasion worked so well is that it was an inside job where a No.6, Natasi (Who was Dr. Baltar's lover) surreptitiously modified his CNP software to introduce rootkits ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit ) plus her using Baltar's connections getting access to the CDF's mainframe to get its' order-of-battle and patrol schedules.
@ 1:55 Whoa whoa whoa! Hold it! 1942?? Caprica is not Earth, in either the original or reimagined series. The film makers modeled the Colonies, Caprica in particular, in the miniseries of the same name, in some aspects of their culture after 1940s to 50s America, like the cars and the clothing. They wanted the feel and look of it for the time period before the first Colonial-Cylon War. Don't think they came up with an exact calendrical reckoning for either the new "Battlestar Galactica" or "Caprica." A more accurate description would have been in order for this narration.
The Cylons in the reimagined BSG series were technologically superior to humanity because they drew heavily on the knowledge imparted to them by the Five (artificial humans from the older Thirteenth Colony who agreed to help the Centurions create humanoid models of their own in exchange for ending the First War).
RDM's Cylons were more like Blade Runner's Replicants, in fact Edward James Olmos, who also played Gaff in Blade Runner, gave a DVD of BR to Tricia Helfer to use as a reference. The Cylons were basically Replicants without 5 year lifespans.
@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq and with a limited range of models. As far as I know there's no canonical explanation for the Five creating eight humanoid lines instead of millions of individuals, other than the time and effort that went into crafting each personality.
@@tompearce5418 Well, I think that I'll invoke Blade Runner again. There were surely other models, but we only saw Roy, Zora, Pris as well as Leon getting the Voight - Kampf test ( & Rachel ), yet there probably were other models of Replicant as well, these guys just made it to Earth. I'm not even going to touch WHY they came to Earth except maybe to seek out Tyrell. NO discussion of synthetic life is complete without at *least* touching BR. Rachel was a sleeper model like several of the Cylons.
No one would say how stupid the "Final Five" story arc is? But like the producers says, they have no plan whatsoever apart from the miniseries, they go as they went along, that created stupid plots like the stupid love triangle between Lee, Kara and Sam, Kara being a deity figure, the stupid Final Five, and the fact that in the end, the story have no resolution whatsoever.
The first season was ok in my book. After that, my wife and I only watched hoping that everyone would die. After they lost Billy, there wasn't anyone in the fleet worth saving.
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This is rather incoherently written. Better linear structure and particularly more attention to the differences between the series would have helped this to be comprehensible to those who don’t already possess a comprehensive knowledge of all the series.
Ya know if you read the novel from the original series you'd find out that the each cylon body (in the original series) actually had a small organic brain hooked up to a controlling machine brain. As the cylons advanced in rank, their organic brain was increased in size.
I disagree. The original concept, (alien robots exterminate their creators then go on a rampage) was just a rip off of the Berserker books by Fred Saberhagen published in the 60's. (which would actually be a pretty cool series in it's own right) While the reboot concept of mans creations trying to destroy him is pretty cliche, they did a decent job of exploring the story from the cylons side as well as from the human perspective.
Thank you for this. Of all my favorite sci-fi Star Trek number one Star Wars a close number two but Battlestar Galactica is right there in the mix. And far too often it's overlooked as amazing sci-fi. I speak of the original I don't think people realize edgy that show was in 1978 I know I was like in the fourth grade. And even then I noticed they were using a lot of the same shots over and over. However the reimagining that they did lead by Ronald Dee more of Star Trek the next generation DS9 they did an amazing job. I was conflicted about watching the new show but seeing Richard hatch on there just really made me comfortable with it. Turned out to be one of the best shows I've ever watched. I also love Caprica such a great show never found its audience but there a lot of people tell you that was an amazing show. So as someone who just turned 55 and is a lifelong battle star Galactica fan thank you
I love both shows, but the original has a much more nostalgic pull for me. I'd have preferred it if you had split the two completely separate cylon origins as two videos as this feels far more skewed to the reimagining, and unfortunately glosses over a lot of the original lore
Battlestar Galactica reboot their 10-man portable or Cylon portable energy weapons now I do think that the fighters had energy weapons are real guns or something little red things that they shot from the Vipers always thought those were some kind of energy weapon or maybe a railgun slug but they're not bullets but now the standard hand held weapons are guns basically projectile weapons
According to one theory about the reboot series, it was the invention of organic memory transfer technology that was the cause of the wars that forced the inhabitants of Kobol to gradually abandon their home planet. As on Earth, there were many people on Kobol who considered resurrection technology an abomination against their religious faith and as a result conflicts erupted across the globe, not only attacks against the first generation of humanoid Cylons and vice versa, but even among members of a same nation who were divided due to different ideological positions on mind uploading, not to mention world conflicts.
Here's the only fact worth pointing out: that tall blond in the remake was the voice actress behind EDI's voice (the one in the middle, shown at 6:08).
The original series of the Cylons (reptilian race) creating the Cylon mechanical IS cannon. The second BattleStar Galactica reboot is heresy in so far that that version was created to avoid copyright infringement which (the original series) was owned by Richard Hatch (Apollo). The studio did not want to pay Mr. Hatch any royalties on the reboot. This is the same mess as in Star Trek's Kelvan timeline and I do not acknowledge that timeline as cannon either. Corporate greed can ruin anything.
Gene Larson the creator of the original series was going to show the background story to the Cylons, in his version if the series had continued, the Cylons were created by the Ancient Humans of the Planet Kobol which left their planet to create the 12 Colonies and the last lost colony would’ve been Atlantis on Earth. After the war the Cylons Machines were found by the Reptilian Cylon race and the Machines turn on them to conquer the universe. Over a few thousand years the Cylons forgotten their own origin. In Battlestar Galactica 1980 the Human Cylons were shown in one episode. The fact that Ron Moore version took Gene Larson version and only add that real Earth was just another humanoid planet with early Humans that mix with the 12 Colonies Humans to create Modern 21 first century Earth. In Gene Larson original version, Battlestar Galactica gets to Earth to learn that Atlantis was destroyed and all the Humans living on Modern Earth are it’s descendants and they join force with the 12 Colonies for a big battle offensive against the Cylons and the Original 12 Human Cylons models rebel against the Cylon emperor and help Galactica while the final 13 Cylon Human model is revealed to be one of the cast members or crew member above the Galactica the whole time and this Human Cylon stay loyal to the Emperor. For what’s it worth Ron Moore version was pretty much close to the original outline that Gene Larson wrote out for the series.
One thing that was wrong with the story here is that he said that earth was the planet of origin. It wasn't. It was the 13th colony. The planet of origin was Kobol. 12 colonies went one way, and the 13th went in a different direction. That was why it did not remain in contact with the 12 colonies. In the reboot, the 13 colony was a planet called earth, was settled by a group of humanoid cylons created by the humans of Kobol. As with the cylons of the 12 colonies, they rebelled, and after a war, they went their own way, but they had a war that destroyed their civilization. The "angels" visited the 5 there and gave them the resurrection technology. The original cylons of the 12 colonies did not have it until they arrived. Due to their slow method of travel, they did not get to the 12 colonies in time to warn them about creating the cylons. After the survivors reached the earth and found it destroyed, they continues, with some of them being given direction on where to find a new home. They named this new home Earth, and that was our world.
If you all have the opportunity get ahold of the ORIGINAL Novel from which all of these series were created from it deals with Cylon's as a Straight Up Alien race, it is a Very Interesting read if you can find it and Quite Entertaining!!! 🤠👍
Your entire description of the Cylon's are based on the new reboot series and have nothing to do with the original series or the first release movie or the first book describing the conflict between the Human's and the Cylon's. You did have a slight mention that the Cylon's were robots created by a reptilian race though the book identify the Cylon's as being the reptilian race wearing armor not robots. The Cylon's were turned into robot's to placate the TV censors from condemning the show because of the violence of showing people killing other people.
I had great memories of the original series, as I grew up with that series as a child, it allowed imagination to fulfil some of the plot holes, the technological limitations and the budget constrains of that time to remember it as a fantastic show. The current remake/reimagination, though having far better effects and giving a wider sense of scale, it still fails to transmit the true or a more realistic size that a twelve colonies civilization would have, in the first episodes it simply transmitted as if there were only one single planet, Caprica, instead of twelve, and also fail introducing some inconsistent features to the plot, the technological constraints, the vulnerability of the defense system, the use of 20th century small weapons, the use of old Bakelite telephones (wtf!?) and some other nonsenses for a show of such type.
In my childhood, i liked the ships and story of galactica more than starwars or startrek. At this day, they are all equally loved But wait - what is michael shanks doing in this?
Actually Battlestar Galactica was a movie first. And the Cylons in the original series were left behind by a superior race. See War of the Gods. Baltar realizes that Count Iblis is the voice of the imperious leader.
