Cyrusher Kommoda - Is it actually legal? 

UK law has ALWAYS been badly defined in this area. Before it was brought into line with EU directives, it simply used to state a limit of 200 Watt for a bicycle and 250 Watt for a tricycle, both with a 15mph limit for assistance (no requirement to pedal). The duty cycle at which the power rating was specified was not properly defined. Electric motors typically have 'S' ratings. S1 operation is defined at a constant load maintained for sufficient time to allow the machine to reach thermal equilibrium (it's maximum operating temperature). S2 operation is also constant load, but for a specified time period, after which it is alowed to cool back down before being loaded again. A 1 hour rating is quite common and for small motors, the power rating will only be a little bit higher than the S1 duty. The appropriate Britich Standard states that a motor must produce NOT LESS that it stated power, but gives no limit on how much more it can produce. It gets more complicated now, becuase it's the drive systems that is rated, not the thermal limit of the motor. The motor in the Sinclair C5 was actually rated at something like 375 Watt, because a 250 Watt motor simply wouldn't survive the use and even then they were fairly easy to overheat. Usiing a much higher power capable motor and then limiting continuous power in software is a much more reliable approach, but the peak power, or maximum acceleration are not covered by legislation and probably should be. The requirement to pedal by that way, was introduced because so many people had trouble with a twist grip throtle. It's not uncommon for inexperienced riders to apply more throttle if they get a little panicked, logically, you should really have to roll a throttle forward to go faster, rather than back. People will stop pedaling if they're going to fast.

Being called the Kommoda, does it have a hole in the seat feeding a pipe connected to a storage tank?

I saw a kid "cycling" on one of these at a good 40km/h on a cycle path near Amsterdam. Probably a 14 year old boy, no helmet. Moped speeds without a moped license, without a moped helmet. I can't understand what the hell his parents are thinking. I also see these properly restricted (very often), though the pedals are often just used in a vestigial way. One half rotation per second is enough to keep them running at 25km/h. The dutch government did stress that these things are very illegal when unrestricted and fitted with a hand throttle. That said, pedal assist stuff is in general a good thing for exactly the reasons Ian says. My parents are in their late 60s, and still cycle for hours a day thanks to pedal assist. It keeps them active and gives them the freedom to see all the nice things that are not as nice or easy to get to with a car.

Next time you are at UpnDown, you could put the bike on his rolling road to measure the real output.

Given that the UK legislation is EAPC, not EPAC, the fact they’ve printed the sticker wrong might be another red flag!

This is definitely one of your best videos , it would be great if companies could get you to test pilot their E bikes, it’s good to see you putting them through their paces living in wales

Looking at the website, it says 250watt (limited) and 1000 watt peak. I think this is worded to make it look legal, if it was legal it would be worded 250watt (continuous), 1000 watt peak as it's the continuous wattage that counts not that it's limited. In addition, the look of these bikes highlight a more powerful motor so you are more likely to get stopped over a standard looking eBike (even if that other bike had same motor) Bit like having a GTi over a bog standard model in the day...

Fair play for assessing a manufacturer's gift with fairness and maturity instead of feeling obliged to be all glowing about it. I do enjoy that the tyres appear to be just slightly wider than those on the 2CV!

I think there is a big grey area with these bikes. Well done for calling out the company on it!

The restrictor analogy at 5:40, a guy in my class at college somehow found himself riding a Street Triple, after a few months he "realised" it wasn't restricted and went to get that fitted. Tbh, amazed he lived long enough to "realise" 😂 made us all feel his slider the day he got his knee down on the way in...

You raise some good points. Thinking about normal vehicles for a minute, the same type of problems exist. How many diesels are running around the UK with a deleted DPF? I would guess it's more than the number of deresitrcited ebikes. Same goes for tinted windows, straight pipe exhausts etc. So it's a wider problem that extends further than just eBikes - and just goes to show how diffuclt it is to police these kind of issues.

Good video, Ian. Here in the Netherlands these fat tire electric bikes are a real nuisance since young kids are riding them unrestricted and with throttle. Also no helmet and insurance because they are not necessary here for "regular" ebikes. All because the 25 kmh mopeds now do require wearing a helmet.

E bikes are, as you say, a game changer for some riders. I have a Škoda e retro bike, being a mild asthma sufferer, it helps me to peruse my love of cycling, which would not be as achievable with a conventional bicycle. As with most other machines, including cars, if they are used, and maintained the way the manufacturer intended, then as a general rule, they are safe, and just as importantly, legal!.

After reading through the comments I can't help but think these bikes have a place in the world. If it takes single occupancy cars off the road for local journeys then it has to be a good thing. It is restricted to 15.5mph so what's the problem? Having some extra wattage to help get you up hills doesn't seen like a bad thing to me. Sadly I think a lot of this is people resent bikes and are using this as an excuse to cause a fuss. What we all need to do as drivers and riders is respect each other a little more and remember we all have families to get home to safely.

Stickers can be bought on E Bay to make the motor legal.

Volts x Amps = Watts . The Cyrusher has a battery of 48 volts the motor controller allows 22 amps of current. 1056 watts at the motor . The only restriction is the speed which is capped at 15.5 mph (25kph) . You are quite correct however no e bike I've ever come across is actually only 250w most peak around 500- 600 w using 36volt batteries and 15 amp controllers. Companies tend to stamp the motor as 250w even though the actual power comes from the battery voltage and current (amps ) allowed by the controller. The law around e bikes is quite frankly a joke and needs a re think.

Its a bit like the fizzy 50cc mopeds of the 70's and 80's. Officially restricted to 30mph but if you knew how could make it go faster 😊

The ones you have seen on the news are typically Surron electric motorbikes. They don't even pretend to be ebikes. Surrons will do 50-60 mph straight out of the box. Also don't forget if the Police do stop you riding an illegal "Ebike" you can get points on your car licence (or even a straight ban).

I was on my regular road bike (not electric) one day in Arizona and I was approaching a small intersection where the approaches of the other street (perpendicular to my travel) were completely obscured by high walls. Just as I almost reached the actual intersection and was about to cross the sidewalk running along the side of the other road a young guy on an electric bike who was NOT pedaling whizzed by at a very high speed on the sidewalk that I was about to cross. If I have been five seconds sooner at arriving to that intersection I might have pulled up to cross that sidewalk and been nailed by this guy on his obviously deregulated and almost completely silent e-bike. He would have had zero insurance and I would have had to deal with any injuries all on my own. This experience kind of un-nerved me for a bit. So I completely understand Ian's point about being pissed off by this stuff.

As usual a fantastic and honest review, yes so many youtubers have been sent these things and using the power and success of youtube content makers and their hard work making their channels so well followed, asking to endorse a grey legal product is a little crafty of them... This is the only 'honest' review i have seen. many channels are full of praise for them, amazing what people will say endorsing products when given for free!! good on you Ian

I'm not sure we can blame the manufacturer for making it easy to modify, you could remove most of the body pannles on your 2cv in about 20 mins and go driving about in it, would it be legal? I'm guessing not, but that would be your fault as the driver.

Get a DC clamp meter on the power cables, preferably with it on a turbo trainer. When are Big Clive and John Ward getting their China Export?

If it is limited to 15.5mph, it should be legal. Why not run it past the Blackbelt Barrister. Could make some interesting content for both of you.

Its the same as these private electric scooters that are illegal to use unless on private land, with the land owners permission. When shops sell these scooters they have a disclaimer notice in the shop, explaining about not being used on public highways or areas. This covers the shop from being held to account for selling an illegal device if used on the road etc.

Ian, having the capability of using more than 250W to exceed 15.5mph is not the same as exceeding the speed limit. Even TWC can exceed the speed limit in a built up area, but you are required to limit the speed you achieve and I think this will be the case with this bike. Provided you haven't bypassed the limiter. It's almost 60 years since any vehicle has been able to achieve its full potential on Britain's roads, since the 70mph limit was introduced as a trial in 1965. Yet almost every car you've owned will probably have been able to exceed that limit.

Careful mate. You'll have the whole Welsh Police force knocking on your door. They like things like this 🤣🤣

Well done for addressing that Ian, my only concern with my comments was that you would be risking your licence by riding it. As someone mentioned it would be interesting to see a 250W bike tackling that hill. I might try it with mine when I'm next down there, I walked that road some time ago, so I know what it's like.

Having a higher peak output is normal, Bosch (and.. well, that's probably a bit more legit) cites 586W peak power for their CX and active line series.

I have a Wisper 806 bike which has. Throttle and can start on the throttle from standstill - it cuts out at 15.5 mph - it comes with an MVSA type approval certificate - which seems to say that having a throttle is not illegal as long as it only takes you to 15.5 mph. Other companies get round having to get type approval by giving caveats like “only to be used off road “.

strictly speaking if you think about it yes it can be derestricted but a car can be modified to make it faster. Also i can can also be DRIVEN in an unreasonable manner. So in a way it comes down to the person in control and how responsible they are.

There's a police crackdown going on in towns where I live in rural western Finland. The kids here have been derestricting their scooters, quad bikes for years and have now moved onto e-bikes. The problem is that they're being ridden by much younger kids as well.

Intresting little video on this bike Ian, the local youth haves these where I stay and i reckon these have been tampered with to go quicker. Now when are Cyrusher sending me my free bike 😂😂

Hmm. How would you test it's only 250w? Could compare riding to a known output bike I s'pose. I find it's plenty plus 15.5 is enough. It's called 'pedal assist' after all.If I may suggest wearing cycling mits/gloves Ian. If you do come a cropper it's your hands that always cop it!

Here's a interesting test see how it compares to a WW2 Wellbike which technically is its great grandfather or a equivalent 1980's moped.

They are even sold with throttles other bands which is sort of legal i think up to 3.5mph or something. My mums i believe can be fully throttle assistance but is limited and ia prettt guttless so assume its at the 250w. I believe if the bike is built before 2016 the throttle law doesnt apply and thats hard to prove. On the mopes side with your example i think then only doing 30 is extremely dangerous and far safer unrestricted. I bought a brand new moped few years back rode it the 20 miles home restricted and i was overtaken by lorries on blind bends multiple times where as derestricted you can keep up with traffic.

I remember that all boys tuned up their mopeds to ridiculous speeds. Yes, the police came and measured output (they had a special van for that with rolling road) and measure noise output. But really it was mostly a question of putting a bigger carburettor on it. Ready to go 50 miles an hour (25 allowed) in a few minutes of work. There is nothing new going on. Nobody in their right mind back then said that moped should not be used or should be changed. Times have changed.

Do you think it would be dangerous to now charge a Samsung 36V 21Ah ebike Li-ion battery for my ebike seeing that it hasn't been charged at all for about 18 months?

I do think that e bikes have a place and if it gets people out on a bike then that is good. I do love the idea of a step through bike we called them shoppers or dutch frame when i was younger

Thanks for raising this Ian. I'm concerned that people will have to be killed using, or by these and similar easily de-restricted devices before proper, clear and effective controls are introduced. Their reckless use by anyone, of whatever age is an increasingly common problem. As for Cyrusher's disclaimer - it's borderline negligence.

They're regulated to 45 kph in the states.

Greetings from a former inmate of Ceredigion, who has been on the other side of the World for 30 years. Does it have a walk button? What battery type is listed, Lithium Ion or Lithium Ternary? Apparently the latter is far more fire prone, and so the industry is gradually moving to the former, which they actively encourage you to charge to the max 100% figure on the display. Searching for the Cyrusher global site, I keep getting messages that it is a malicious site, so I might check out the UK site you mentioned. That said, Cyrusher and just about every far east manufacturer is starting up here. I think the throttle is still legal here, and I can't really imagine the local Heddlus getting hot under the collar about technicalities. Like you, I see these as a form of exercise and am not really interested in top speeds on the dangerous roads here. But it would help to climb hills and provide a safe take off from the kerb or from busy traffic lights. My balance on a bike has always been a bit iffy, and a recent op suggests that standing up on the pedals is inadvisable. BTW, some industry pros believe that most riders would be better off with just ordinary knobbly tyre sets, if they are not greatly bothered about mountain riding. Myself, i would rather enjoy slowly walking or climbing the roughest terrain. Slow transport is a good way to contemplate an unhurried life. I'm retired, anyway.

Seeing you rode this it clearly cuts out when it should but is also able to move mass sich as ours along, myself i would block off the port for the throttle and hard wjre the connectors that disables the restrictions so there is no argument of the ability for it to be easily derestricted

The L1e-a classification, 251w -1000w, with or without throttle control, is legal in some European countries (notably Belgium) without a licence (epac regulations) or registration. However in the UK they are classified as electric motorcycles (moped) and required registration a CBT and a full motorcycle crash helmet. You are risking your driving licence if the police check on you.

In Australia any power assistance greater than 300watts on a bicycle is illegal for public use, but there's no real way to police it, a 300watt motor pretty much looks like a 3kw one, & many of these motors will tolerate a 5x output increase with over-volting, at least for a short time.

I think as long as you don’t de-restrict it, or fit the thumb throttle, if you ever get stopped by the Police, I can’t see you having a problem. The motor is stamped at 250w rating, and it can be tested to see if it’s speed is limited.

In Canada, we have a mix of federal and provincial legislation covering e-bikes. Both levels of government agree on a 500W limit, and my provincial government also limits speed to 32km/h (20mph) and specifies that it must be possible to pedal like on a regular bicycle. You must also be 18 years old and wearing an approved bicycle helmet is mandatory. I still regularly see 750W and even 1000W models that can easily be derestricted through the onboard computer. For the time being at least, no one seems to care. I have not derestricted my own Lankeleisi (a rebranded Cyrusher), because, honestly, even 30km/h is already too fast on bicycle paths.

I'm very glad that I'm old enough not to have any dealings with this new tech. Trying to figure out range, charging points, modes of use, hot/cold weather running etc would be too much for my old brain to contend with. Happy to use ICE as long as I'm able.

@HubNut in your last video on this bike when you were on the hill the display was showing 944W and in the comments you said "The 900w figure you hear me quote is what the controller is taking from the battery, not what the motor is providing." well the battery is a 48V 14 AH battery so around 650kWh so the 944W is not coming from the battery. the peak 1000w power is only coming from one place and that has to be the motor. so a 750W motor producing 100W peak power is 100% illegal. a motor like a Bosch performance CX is rated at 250W but for peak power it is tuned to match rider input with motor output so a cadence of around 90-100 rpm will be the sweet spot for rider power and motor power combined an i still say that bike 100% illegal and it is not a grey area

The thing is, since time began, people have been modifying their vehicles to go faster, it’s the same as de-restricting a motorbike by removing the washer from the exhaust, or remapping your golf diesel to get an extra 80bhp from it, the point is, if you choose to modify, then the risk and responsibility is on YOU, Not the manufacturer! If you choose to modify, and not told your insurance (where applicable) you have made the vehicle illegal, no one else. Maybe the wire mod you mentioned is a bit too easy, but a remap on a golf is a two minute job also given the knowledge. They have shot themselves in the foot by showing the peak output though, all motors draw a huge current until they get up to speed, (which is why the lights in your garage may flicker when your small air compressor in your garage starts up) they should have maybe displayed the output as ‘MAX’ instead of giving a specific reading. Great channel 👍

Dear Reader, I find it 'a service' to me as a viewer, that Mr. HubNut takes all the effort to inform me about this bike, and electric bikes in general. Until now I don't work with the police, the CIA, MI5 or what have you? So why should I be playing the role of plaster saint, and not just amuse myself with the adventures of a man who is kind enough to share some of his adventures? Mr. HubNut is more than capable to make his own consideration between just enjoying the adventure and the law. And I? I'm happy to just watch. With Kind Regards, Michel F. van den Brun Pedestrian with a mandatory pedal bike, being a Dutch citizen.

Personally i think they are a menace for the most part. I regularly see them zipping in and out of traffic and not obeying the rules of the road. You are right about it being mostly young lads too, some not even old enough to ride a moped. I drive a tram in Nottingham and have been overtaken while doing around 50kph. It is scary to be honest.

I don't see a grey area here. We already have buses and lorries fitted with speed limiters. Most of them have the power to easily do 90 mph if the limiter is disabled, but you are not committing an offence by driving them unless you deliberately bypass the limiter. Similarly with this bike, you cannot be committing an offence if you have the limiter functioning. Anyone who does bypass the limiter is committing an offence, and you may well argue that the manufacturers are morally reprehensible for making it easy to do, when they know that loads of stupid and/or immature people will do it. Really there needs to be some legislation which prohibits the sale of bikes which can be easily tweaked, and there should be crippling fines for non-compliance, but as it's perfectly legal to ride these things at suicidal speed on private land, can we stop people doing this?

Appreciate your candor. Sadly most reviews don't seem to admit to the transgressions 'to the rules' that many manufactures are taking. If you want to go 'fast' buy a motorcycle or scooter. If you want an E-bike for assist, stay off of sidewalks. Deciding to simply 'make' your own rules really ends up creating problems for everyone. This seems to be an issue now in every country, and again, we all pay. Thanks for being willing to speak out.

How many watts does it use in high setting, at full speed, on the flat?

Quote: The nominal power rating of ebike motors is one of the most common figures given by manufactures. The main reason for this is to confirm the motor is legal for you to ride in the UK without a licence, road tax and insurance. eBike motors in the UK must have a maximum nominal output of no more than 250 watts. The nominal power is calculated as an average over an hour of use. This means many ebike motors actually have much higher peak power outputs than 250 watts. They just wont produce outputs higher than 250 watts constantly.

Thanks Ian. That speed limit and power at the wheel restriction sets it apart from being an electric motorcycle. If people keep exceeding those limits, then the law will eventually be changed, meaning that all e-bikes will very likely require registration, insurance, a motorcycle riding license and a motorcycle crash helmet. Incidentally, those fat tyres will be making unassisted pedalling much more tiring than riding on normal bicycle tyres. They will also make steering more physical. Fat tyres are really only an advantage when on soft or off-road surfaces.

Having seen some ads and read a few spec's they're probably aimed at the American market so they're not really legal here, but would probably be ripe for the derestriction market here if they are supplied in restricted form.

Reminds me Ian of living in Belgium in 1981 Mopeds were put into catagories. Class A,B,C meaning top speed of 25, 40 or 55 KMH. My stupid older brother bought a class A moped which was passed down to me when he went back to the UK. Imagine all your mates with class C mopeds and leaving you for dust. I even managed to fit a lawn mower carburetor thinking that would solve the restriction with no luck. Turns out if i turned the fuel tap off it would reach 45 KMH before running out of fuel.

“If I want to go quickly I will use a car” points at 2cv 😂

My Bosch cx motor is UK legal at 250 watts but peaks at about 750watt and about 80 newton meters of torque thankfully you can’t easily tamper with. At the end of the day just enjoy it and stay within the law.

oh i assume (because they don't tell you ) that due to this you are ensured for road use , but i personally think ALL bokes whether electric or just person powered should be insured as with scooters

The current legislation talks about a maximum continuous power output of 250w, it doesn't actually mention what the "peak" power output should be just that it should only be available for short periods of time, to propel you up a hill for example. However the motor must cut out at 15.5mph although some sources seem to suggest there's a bit of leeway of around 10%. A throttle fitted to the bike is perfectly legal on UK roads provided the throttle can only power the bike to a speed of 6 km/h (basically walking pace of 3.7mph). The throttle is supposed to be there for moving the bike around at walking pace as ebikes tend to be heavy, or to give that first push away from traffic lights for example until the bike registers you are peddling. So the current legislation isn't actually all that clear, but if your bike is limited to 15.5mph and any throttle it has stops at under 4mph I'd say you're good and the police probably won't be interested. If peak power output was limited to 250 watts it would probably make ebikes completely useless to anyone using them on anything other than perfectly flat ground, and most of the UK isn't flat, not to mention the motor would burn out pretty quickly at such a low peak. If you want to know the peak wattage of your bike and it isn't listed in the specs, multiply the voltage of the battery by the amp rating of the controller (might tell you in the manual or in the spec sheet, if not it'll be shown on the controller itself if you can find it). So a 36v battery through a 15 amp controller would have a peak power output of 540 watts even if the motor is rated for 250 watts continuous, whereas a 48v battery through a 20 amp controller would have a peak of 960 watts.

Does this use cadance or torque sensor??? They failed to mention that on thier website...

I get where you're coming from regarding grey areas, I ride a 29" unicycle and you can't ride them on the road and you can't ride them them on pavements. Fortunately I live in an area (Llanelli) where there is an abundance of cycle paths.

ls anything legal in the U.K.?

In NZ Ebikes max power is 300w, above that is illegal on our roads, we have many cycleways now, apparently cycles are not allowed to exceed the sign posted speed limit on the road, many users here rider light weight racing bikes they get along surprisingly quick!!

Valid points made there Ian. I own a Dawes Arc II which is a folding electric bike, which meant I could chuck it into the back of a car without a problem and go to wherever I wanted. Bought it back in 2020. It does look vaguely like a Brompton, but just chunkier. It only has range of 30 to 35 kms, but that is plenty for most folks.

It's no mystery, peak power is under load, climbing a hill for instance, it will do until the battery gets too hot or runs out of power or the motor gets too hot

I noticed that the designer of the Ferrari Enzo just got done for doing 120ish in a 40 zone! Why aren’t cars all power and speed restricted 😃 or is user behavior actually the issue?

250 watts for a cargo / utility bike is pretty low if your hauling stuff

EN15194 is the relevant regulation. Throttle only is only legal up to 4mph. Electric assist whilst pedalling is legal up to 15.5mph. Watch Green Mopeds’ Eskuta SX250 review.

My E-bike here in the Netherlands also stops supporting when I reach 25KM/H.

Can you change the Speedo read out a mile an hour in the software ❓

250 watts is absolutely crap as is the stupid uk laws on e-bikes people keep going on about is this bike or that bike legal a human being can peddle faster than 15mph ,so if you do more than 15 mph on a peddle bike is that also illegal also does that mean motorcycles should now be reduced to 15 mph and these reviews don’t help it should be age restricted as with cars ,motorcycles etc not power restricted.

you are forgetting that these bikes are mass produced to be sold world wide, different areas have different rules, look at EU and USA regulations. From a production cost viewpoint its cheaper to make 1 unit that meets highest requirement and fit limiters later than make models for each specific market. Also for electric motor efficiency its better to have a 1Kw motor running at 250w than a 250w motor running at constant peak therefore they can use small batteries for same range and batteries are the most expensive part. In fact look at website and go to US page to see performance without UK limiting kit. Do 30 seconds of research before you criticise.

Loads of delivery riders in Coventry hack around on similar to these. 35mph uphill and not pedalling. Scary, dangerous and uninsured.

My 2p-worth: I'm confident that you won't find any electric bikes with a peak power output of 250W, regardless of manufacturer. They'll all be higher, and they'll all be restricted using a combination of hardware and software. Running a motor at its peak rating is a really good way to kill it prematurely! Also, in the global markets you need to be able to cater to multiple legislative restrictions (looking at you, USA, with your multiple kilowatt death scooters) so it makes more sense to have hardware as common as possible. To be fair, there's e-bikes that are much easier to derestrict as well. Including the throttle in the box though, that's kinda asking for it to be diddled with...

Will it fold up to go on the train?

The hand throttle, as I understand it, to be legal, must cut off at 5 km/h, or 3.5moh. (Class 2 ebike rules)

The other weird legal thing is you can still ride the ones with over 250W on the roads if you have a motorcycle licence, a motorcycle helmet, tax and insurance because they don't become totally illegal, they become legally mopeds. I don't know where you get insurance for a 750W chinese e-bike though.

Thanks for an interesting video, with lots to think about. IMO we are just going through another situation where technology has overtaken legislation, similar to the advent of the internal combustion engine. Clearly there is a need to look at what kind of problems ebikes present, and then, after dutiful consideration of the benefits and hazards, come up with a sensible set of rules governing their use. This is what elected legislators are for, so hopefully ours will be able to find the time amongst their hectic schedule of flinging shit at each other to make sufficient enquiries, consult interested and informed parties and deliver such a thing. Personally, I'm just waiting for the shitstorm that will ensue when a refugee runs over someone whilst riding an ebike. That will probably require a whole new circle of hell to be constructed.

If you're ebike was purchased before 2016 you do not need to have peddle assist and can have a hand throttle. The same law applies 250 watts and15.5 mph

I have recently seen other youtube videos about this bike, and by far yours is the best review. Keep the good work going Ian.

At 110kg, 1.93m tall, over 60 years. I NEED more than 250W in certain circumstances. Then you need to consider not just the torque of the Motor core, but the ratio of the built in motor gearbox and the gear cassette. (Some are changing that to have different top and bottom ratios for both better low speed starting torque and more relaxed pedal cadence when cruising) Not to mention the weight of the bike itself, there are 250W bikes which weigh only 16-18kg, half the weight of this bike. . I'd be "upset" if I bought a "250W" bike which suffered at the first sign of an upward slope when carrying me and maybe 20kg of shopping (one of the reasons I would buy one) . Arbitrary laws are often too simplistic.

- I've noticed local police have said that if they suspect that an ebike isn't legal they will inpound it.

You can get killed by an E-Scooter or E Bike at just 20mph. I've course i'd have one of the 2 but wouldn't de restrict it and would ride it very sensibly. Speed and power isn't everything.

I didn't think derestricting it made them illegal, I thought it just meant that you had to register it as a motorcycle?

It could be restricted from drawing 1000 watts because the battery pack isn't rated for it. Most likely due to cooling. They end up smoking and catching on fire.

The kommoda has a 750w it is just the speed that is restricted to try to comply. I love using it and yes it is illegal but wth A 250w coudnt handle the hills in my srea

The very reason that these type of bikes (big massive chunky tyred Chinese variants) are so popular with delivery riders is because they have massively powerful motors that can easily be derestricted and hand throttles fitted.

Iain that really looks more like a an e-motor bike. To me it looks like at the most extreme a lorry with a Mini Shell put on it. Look at GCN and GMB for e-bikes that is nothing like they show as an e-bike. Peter Hitchens says that they can be easily hacked to increase the Power and Speed!

Strange rules, here in New Zealand 300w max, after that you require a motorcycle licence, speed limits for E-bikes and non-powered cycles are exactly the same as for all motor vehicles.

Going by your theory on the legalities of modifications etc. How are car manufacturers legally allowed to make vehicles that can go more than 70 mph? Looks like a great bike I’d love one.

The other issue is that none of you guys are declaring the sponcership correctly on your videos - I know no money has changed hands but if the item is gifted for review it needs to be declared properly with #AD and all the other stuff. Hard not to see this as a company taking advantage of your naivety in this regard. Its an embedded ad whether money has changed hands or not - I'd urge you to look into this.

Are you going to Radwood in September?

I briefly had a hybrid mtb fitted with a very powerful 1500watt, 52 volt e-kit, very very illegal. I was getting average speeds of 18 - 19mph, top speed around 50mph - there was no attempt to restrict anything - it was literally a motorbike with a throttle. I returned it back to the seller for a full refund when my bike tech gave me a very worrying rundown list of safety bodges to do with wheel alignment fittings, brakes, gears, suspension forks and other joyful discoveries that left unattended could kill me with ease!

Are they allowd to be derestricted whilst off the carriagway/road? if so that is probably why they can be derestricted.and is th power measured at the pinion, or at the wheel? Also how come those companies that are allowed to rent scooters out in various cities ,dont have to be pedalled,Do have a hand throttle and are capable of more than 15mph esp downhill under power>?

These are just the new 50cc mopeds of today. Pretty much everyone I knew who had one pulled the exhaust restricter out!

hi mr hubnut can u do a video on thoughts of the new 20mph limit in wales and the removal of the 30 and 20 mph signs that coming in september

I don’t think we should worry. Since COVID there’s a lot of legislation that is backlogged from the U.K. transport agency and Electric vehicle legislation that should cover all of these basic questions is still outstanding.