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@HorizonOfHope
@HorizonOfHope 10 месяцев назад
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@TreantmonksTemple
@TreantmonksTemple 10 месяцев назад
Sounds legit
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@aidandunne5978 10 месяцев назад
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@jakewarman7277
@jakewarman7277 10 месяцев назад
Rofl I love this
@karatekoala4270
@karatekoala4270 10 месяцев назад
Not saying that subscribing to the channel will allow you relentless endurance during a bear attack. But the evidence shows that it may have something to do with it.
@TreantmonksTemple
@TreantmonksTemple 10 месяцев назад
@@karatekoala4270 Better to be safe than sorry.
@DnDDeepDive
@DnDDeepDive 10 месяцев назад
Chris, you’re a genius. A true Scribe Wiz irl.
@JacobSienk
@JacobSienk 10 месяцев назад
Colby, you inspire me to be a Gishy asshole in every game I play now. You are amazing, and I love seeing content you and Chris create separately, but even more the collaboration you’ve done since the playtest packets have been released, don’t ever quit being your best Gish self.
@SortKaffe
@SortKaffe 10 месяцев назад
I like putting up a Wall of Fire (dealing force damage) around your enemies and having your Manifest Mind hover on the opposite side, such that you can Pulse Wave them back into the AoE regardless of which direction they escape. However, ask your DM before assuming you can choose Dunamancy spells from Wildemount.
@Llaqus
@Llaqus 10 месяцев назад
Yep, I was thinking something similar when he brought up pulse wave. It's a great spell but depends on your DM if they will not only allow you use the source book but also since you're not a Dunamancy sub-class if they would let you take the spell at all since they are intended to only be used with Dunamancy casters only. You could however substitute it with a thunder wave, not as powerful but still gets the job done on at least two of the targets.
@mrmuffins951
@mrmuffins951 10 месяцев назад
This is just the coolest subclass. I wish they leaned into making some of its features into base wizard features with the playtests
@migueldelmazo5244
@migueldelmazo5244 10 месяцев назад
Good use of Wilhelm scream. Great video TreantMonk. My favorite subclass among all subclasses.
@DrLongWang
@DrLongWang 10 месяцев назад
Ever since this subclass came out it’s been my favorite. Hopefully vids like this make the community give it more love.
@CJWproductions
@CJWproductions 10 месяцев назад
There's a lengthy thread on the Beyond forums about Misty Step and whether it works with Manifest Mind in the way you described here. I side with the faction that says it doesn't.
@Lantalia
@Lantalia 10 месяцев назад
The trivial counter to a spectral mind is to put a bucket over it. Heck, depending on DM ruling, a cloak thrown over it may be sufficient. It can't pass through solid objects after all
@benyblancofrbx
@benyblancofrbx 3 месяца назад
You've sold me with this one... even if it's just the first time watching one of your videos.. you got my sub.
@TreantmonksTemple
@TreantmonksTemple 3 месяца назад
Welcome!
@theepicduck6922
@theepicduck6922 10 месяцев назад
Only missed opportunity was making your manifested mind Mega Mind.
@minikawildflower
@minikawildflower 10 месяцев назад
I love these videos, because while my regular game is pretty light on combat and I don't need to worry about optimizing for maximum effectiveness, I feel like because of Chris I always have a good sense of like, a few go-to moves. My two main characters are a scribes wizard and twilight cleric, and I don't make NEARLY full use of all their potential, but whenever we go into combat I definitely feel like I know how to pitch in without dragging the group down (unlike a friend of mine who keeps walking his squishy sorcerer into melee combat and then begging for healing lol)
@Getsugaru
@Getsugaru 10 месяцев назад
I'm an 8th level Scribe Wizard at the moment. A fun trick I use as an ambush technique (as well as a way to protect the party as a long rest) is ritual-casting Leomund's Tiny Hut and then leaving the Manifest Mind on the outside. Normally, the Hut prevents spellcasting from going through either direction, but with the Manifest Mind on the outside, I can cast spells while being within the perfect safety of my Hut. And if I don't want to burn a Spell-Platform usage that round (or I have a concentration spell like Flaming Snowball or Summon Undead running), I can use ranged weapons from within the Hut without penalty since "creatures and objects within the dome when you cast the spell can move through it freely." As a joke, I sometimes use my turn to manage the Manifest Mind and whatever BC spell I've running and then just stay inside the Hut reading a book instead of (seemingly) paying attention to the fight around me (something the party finds humorous since I have a tiny blank book I use as a prop to act this out when I do it; I also use slamming it shut as my somatic component for Counterspell). The party benefits too, since we see out but others can't see in; free sneak attack on an Elven Accuracy longbow specialist Rogue is juicy. 🐍
@pedrostormrage
@pedrostormrage 10 месяцев назад
I can't manifest my own mind, but this video sure expanded my mind about that feature (I'm definitely looking at this subclass in a different way now).
@nooneknows3520
@nooneknows3520 6 месяцев назад
Echo Knight and Scribes both summoning creatures to fight for them. Classic
@stephenburley4581
@stephenburley4581 10 месяцев назад
Among the list of things I don't *think* got covered (I might have missed it, there's so much in this video, holy shit, good work Treant)... Simulacrum stacks exponentially with this, because your Simulacrum can have their own Manifest Mind. Kinda makes me curious just how silly a high level build with Manifest Mind, Simulacrum and Echo Knight all worked in together would look.
@deProfundisAdAstra
@deProfundisAdAstra 10 месяцев назад
These strats are delightful. I would generally never take pulse wave, but I have to try the pulse from above now!
@adolfodef
@adolfodef 10 месяцев назад
I would ask my DM to allow this combo: . Summon it with a bonus action (hovering 10 feet above an ally). . As a "Magic Action", a variant of the "Ready" action: "Ready: Shield" consuming a spellslot of level 1 (or higher) & lasting for 1 minute, or until is triggered with a reaction. . As a Reaction to an ally within 10 feet being hit (that my character can take, using the Manifested senses), it casts the Spell "Shield" [manifested as a Tiny 1 foot Sphere of invulnerability around it], that then can use up to 10 feet of its remaining movement to interpose itself like a flying Buckler Shield (increasing the effective AC of the ally by +1, possibly turning the hit into a miss). Once triggered, this protective effect lasts until the begining of my character next turn (or until the ally moves away by 5 feet or more), applying its benefit to all further attacks. It can also be used to move the Manifested Mind by targetting & grappling it with an attack (anyone), or with an action (allies). The contested STR & DEX of the Manifested+Shield is 1 & any save roll is treated like a Nat 1 (not an automatic failure).
@Apfeljunge666
@Apfeljunge666 10 месяцев назад
manifested mind is crazy, I agree, though I'm not sure pulse wave was a great example spell, considering how setting and subclass restricted it usually is.
@Alceasy
@Alceasy 10 месяцев назад
If I interpreted your X post correctly, I'd like to wish you a happy birthday !
@SarJulem
@SarJulem Месяц назад
All of a sudden resilient sphere and like spells has become viable. Just encase yourself in the sphere and away you go. Wall of force an enemy and conjure the manifested mind inside and let the sparks fly.
@DeadpoolAli
@DeadpoolAli 10 месяцев назад
I friggin love these hyper analysis videos!!
@MonochromaticPrism
@MonochromaticPrism 10 месяцев назад
You can also use the mind to do something cheeky like ritual casting forbiddance inside a still-sealed tomb.
@bobbysimon1078
@bobbysimon1078 10 месяцев назад
12:40 Emily Axford actually did this play on Critical Role with her order of scribes wizard. What an awesome and versatile subclass
@jackingjackrabit47
@jackingjackrabit47 10 месяцев назад
I am playing a Plasmid Scribes Wizard now and we just reached level 11 I play it as a floating oooze ball It is so fun When i initially took scribes way back at lvl 2 over a year ago, I had not actually read the features, but it turned out to be the best fit for them This walkthrough is amazing and I now want to start throwing some of these techniques Thank you! Can’t wait to see more
@matthewlenard8346
@matthewlenard8346 10 месяцев назад
Good afternoon, Chris I hope your days treat you well. I for one I'm super geek to see how you are going to optimize a scribe wizard on the full build in the next coming weeks. 😃
@TreantmonksTemple
@TreantmonksTemple 10 месяцев назад
Working on it now!
@bchurchill49
@bchurchill49 10 месяцев назад
Love order of scribes. currently playing one but sub optimally as a summoner.
@harley_o_thor
@harley_o_thor 10 месяцев назад
Oooh, since it counts as you are in its space for the casting, you can cast spells through it and not be in danger of being counterspelled keeping that 65+ft away from the enemy when you cant get that far away
@iurigoes
@iurigoes 10 месяцев назад
i really think they should change to cast on "a place u can see"
@satubock
@satubock 10 месяцев назад
I like keeping the manifest mind out side of tiny hut when i cast it. Then I can still fight while in the hut if something comes upon us.
@andrewshandle
@andrewshandle 10 месяцев назад
I'm sure by RAW the Misty Step example is "correct" but it just feels wrong. If anything, casting it via your Spectral Mind should move the SM, not the caster. A 330 foot Misty Step seems broken. Also your Purple Worm example seems to work that way (the SM Dimension Doors someone out of a location), so I'd argue that one of your example shouldn't work.
@d_andrews
@d_andrews 10 месяцев назад
This was my first instinct too, but both of these examples are actually the same. They both teleport you, and in the case of DD someone else too. However, they're being cast as if you were in the space where the mind is, which means that DD can bring along someone within 5ft of the mind and the range is relative to the position of the mind.
@andrewshandle
@andrewshandle 10 месяцев назад
@@d_andrews in the DD example, did the Wizard first warp into the Worm then teleport out, or did the SM just teleport the person out?
@thedude0000
@thedude0000 10 месяцев назад
This came up in my session last night. I cast Tiny Hut for our party's long rest, but we were attacked. The party was popping in and out of the Hut; so, I obviously couldn't leave. Given Tiny Hut's language about spells and magical effects not passing through the barrier my DM ruled that Manifest Mind would not work. Just wanted to get your thoughts on it.
@srmillard
@srmillard 6 месяцев назад
wow, almost like a mini simulacrum
@dustrockblues7567
@dustrockblues7567 5 месяцев назад
This thing is just an invincible attack drone...
@sannylad9204
@sannylad9204 10 месяцев назад
I'd love if the build included wishlist spells to look out for to copy into the spellbook.
@grimdarkish
@grimdarkish 10 месяцев назад
Is the casting of a spell through your spectral mind tied to the spectral mind or to you? I understand the amount is proficiency per long rest, but if you can cast multiple special minds, then each of them can be used to cast spells through equal to your proficiency. Let's say my proficiency is 2. I cast 2 spells through my spectral mind. The enemy dispels it. I use a 1st level slot to summon another spectral mind and can now cast 2 more spells through it. RAW, yes?
@gorzillaau7761
@gorzillaau7761 10 месяцев назад
If the manifest mind can't go through walls, could a clever enemy just sit a pot over the top of it?
@RaethFennec
@RaethFennec 10 месяцев назад
This is the kind of always-on feature that martial classes deserve. Heck, even ranger. Putting something this incredibly useful on Wizard seems like the exact kind of reason why Wizard continues to be a bit too strong.
@Mare_Man
@Mare_Man 4 месяца назад
Wizard _should_ be strong.
@GLORPDORP
@GLORPDORP 10 месяцев назад
How would you rule counterspelling something being cast from the mind's space works? Say, the scribe wizard is 100' away, but is casting Hold Person through the mind that's only 30' away. Would Counterspell be legal, since the wizard counts as being in range for that spell, and therefore counts as being in range? Or would you say that Counterspell would be illegal, since even though the wizard counts as being 30' away for their own purposes, they're not actually in that square, and therefore out of range?
@jeffreydoyle3143
@jeffreydoyle3143 10 месяцев назад
Interesting. I think that's ambiguous. The wizard treats it as if he was in the square but he "isn't". Technically the manifested mind is not a "Target: A creature in the process of casting a spell" for counterspell. I think RAW, the counterspell wouldn't work. However I wouldn't be so stingy on it needing to be a creature vs A spell is manifesting in this square-> counter that. By RAW, counterspell wouldn't work on a spell trap but I would allow it.
@TobiasWibberenz
@TobiasWibberenz 10 месяцев назад
So if you can't use it for counterspell, can you use it to pretect you from counterspell instead ? i recently watched your "Treantmonk's Guide to Wizard" series, cause i started a wizard in our new game and you you talked about different ways to avoid counterspell. For example i want to polymorph a party member and both me and my mind can see the target and who ever isn't in range/sight can cast the polymorph safely, right ? i enjoyed your video like always and thanks for your hard work.
@arcanerecovery2567
@arcanerecovery2567 10 месяцев назад
Hey Chris, you know how the manifest mind can only remote cast spells equal to prof. times a day... are you aware of the Wildfire druid's 6th level feature that allows him to cast unlimited spells through his wildfire spirit... all spells except for those with a range of self. This sounds really powerful to me... am I missing something?
@jeffreydoyle3143
@jeffreydoyle3143 10 месяцев назад
Your Wildfire spirit takes a Wildshape to summon as an action. You can only have 1. It CAN die fairly easily. Also wizards have more spell slots then druids have wildshape. Also technically it moves after your turn so you can't move it then use a spell through it; it must already be in place. (Many people just have summons take the same turn as the player though) Very powerful still.
@Spiceodog
@Spiceodog 10 месяцев назад
Hey treantmonk, off topic , but if I’m playing say a mooon Druid or a centaur and a party memeber is riding me and has mounted combatant, would there ability to redirect hits to them and give me evasion be enough to protect my concentration ? Should I still invest a feat into warcaster or resilient constitution or would it be a good time to take something else like telekinetic or vital sacrifice? Also, will your build use one of the feat backgrounds?
@TreantmonksTemple
@TreantmonksTemple 10 месяцев назад
It's always a good idea to protect your constitution saving throws (I would go res con), because the mounted combat evasion ability won't work for AOE's that target con.
@SH-pf4bp
@SH-pf4bp 10 месяцев назад
Great, thank you!!
@way6719
@way6719 10 месяцев назад
I'd argue Bill Nye is more like a lore bard.
@AtelierGod
@AtelierGod 10 месяцев назад
I wonder which system Manifest mind vs Dispel magic would last longer? Spell slots, or Spell points?
@dehro
@dehro 10 месяцев назад
Not sure it would work with the antimagic gaze of a beholder or an antimagic footie
@jcmadcat82
@jcmadcat82 10 месяцев назад
6th lvl wizard can just ritual cast a tiny hut and chill inside while the mind can go clear out the area. How many dispel magics will the enemy have?
@Platemage-ev6nm
@Platemage-ev6nm 10 месяцев назад
Is Pulse wave legal for a Scribes wizard to take? I thought that spell was only available to chronurgy or graviturgy wizards?
@SoaresPatrick
@SoaresPatrick 10 месяцев назад
Thanks.
@ExecutiveGoth
@ExecutiveGoth 8 месяцев назад
Firstly awesome video :) I'm having a little debate with my DM about the manifested mind and whether or not it can be targeted. He's stating that it would count as an object so still have AC and HP, but not be targetable by stuff like weapon attacks (but still by something like firebolt). What would the most structured RAW way to defend the mind not being targetable by stuff other than dispel magic? Thanks :) (I'm new-er to dnd so sorry if the question sounds dumb )
@JoschiChr
@JoschiChr 10 месяцев назад
So the scribe is gay and going to kill himself for it?
@jonahsalyers5979
@jonahsalyers5979 9 месяцев назад
Favorite use of scribes wizard so far: Our party was getting screwed up by the boss (a dragon). I blocked him off with a wall of force so we could flee and, after getting a substantial lead, began ritual casting Tiny Hut over one minute using the awakened spell book feature. Of course, wall of force dropped because of concentration, but we were far enough away that the dragon couldn’t catch up in a minute. We proceeded to short rest to heal and regain some abilities. The dragon was waiting for us. I put my manifested mind next to the dragon and caught it with a spherical wall of force. I then began to casually fireball the dragon at will from the manifested mind’s space before dropping the wall of force so the two rogues could finish it off with readied (sneak) attacks. My character is a chef so my spells are written in the margins of a cook book and my manifested mind is a spectral hobbit Gordon Ramsey named Gordon Took. My spellbook is The Gordon Took Cook Book.
@wyattweber9983
@wyattweber9983 10 месяцев назад
This really is the single coolest feature a wiz can get if you're not trying to gish. It's so nuts it seems like it should have been from a Crit Role book
@TreantmonksTemple
@TreantmonksTemple 10 месяцев назад
lol, no kidding!
@Fl0wchart
@Fl0wchart 10 месяцев назад
I play a Githyanki Scribe Wizard wielding a Rapier, and yes, you CAN Booming Blade from the Manifested Mind's location.
@CitizenCain1
@CitizenCain1 10 месяцев назад
​@@Fl0wchartNo. You can't. "You brandish the weapon used in the spell’s casting and make a melee attack with it against one creature within 5 feet of you. **On a hit**, the target suffers the weapon attack’s normal effects and then becomes sheathed in booming energy until the start of your next turn." If your weapon doesn't hit the enemy, the spell doesn't work.
@Fl0wchart
@Fl0wchart 10 месяцев назад
@@CitizenCain1 Yes. You can. When you cast a spell through your Manifested Mind, you treat it as if you are standing in your Manifested Mind's location. No ifs, ands, or buts. Rules as Written, you ARE standing in that spot. You can make attack rolls from that spot if they are part of the casting of that spell.
@Annuhlynne
@Annuhlynne 4 месяца назад
LOOOOLLLL ​@@CitizenCain1
@elijahthompson7049
@elijahthompson7049 10 месяцев назад
Okay but we *NEED* a spell breakdown for what spells get improved with this subclass
@nicholass5621
@nicholass5621 10 месяцев назад
100% agree
@CraigAWSellars
@CraigAWSellars 8 месяцев назад
All the spells 😂
@jackhilton4285
@jackhilton4285 7 дней назад
All of it bro Just keep stacking what ever it is, it only takes 2min/lvl it's nothing for you in long camp Remember if you find a spell book, don't copy the spells Instead of wasting money, just write your arcane sigil on it for a short rest BOOM, ALL of your spells are transferred to the new book You add all the spells for free!
@theresnoracelikegnome
@theresnoracelikegnome 10 месяцев назад
Great ideas. This feature is really good. One note, you can’t summon you Mind inside a Purple Worm because that space is not unoccupied.
@TreantmonksTemple
@TreantmonksTemple 10 месяцев назад
Oh no, turns out I cheated!
@theresnoracelikegnome
@theresnoracelikegnome 10 месяцев назад
@@TreantmonksTemple Look, I don’t think WotC have seen this video yet, so we have time. You need to run. Get your family and a few personal items and make for the American border as fast as you can. There’s a family in Maine who work for the Kobold Press underground. They can hide you.
@mhelvens
@mhelvens 10 месяцев назад
But it can move through creatures, so it's fine.
@MagusKain
@MagusKain 10 месяцев назад
Counterpoint. Any creature that has the ability to swallow has unoccupied space inside of it. It would have to to allow it to swallow creatures and put them in that space.
@GreeneLighte
@GreeneLighte 10 месяцев назад
Counter-counterpoint. Conjuring inside the purple worm would fail for the same reason you can't cast create water inside another creature. You can't conjure inside another creature (even the vacant spaces inside that creature).
@valentinrafael9201
@valentinrafael9201 10 месяцев назад
I have recently ( this week ) had a campaign where I sent my book into this tomb and casted a magic circle from 300ft away...against undead...who were pretty much all melee...yeah...Their fault for going against wizards tbh. Maybe this is not the best time to make this joke, but the manifest mind is literally a predatory drone. It's a drone strike angle.
@Lngbrdninjamasta
@Lngbrdninjamasta 10 месяцев назад
There is a scribes wizard at my table. This will help me as a dm make sure the player is using these features right & increase their enjoyment of the character 🎉 Thanks
@talkinggibberish
@talkinggibberish 10 месяцев назад
Since the Spectral Mind can't move through objects, monsters can (temporarily) deal with it by putting a bucket over its head like its a bethesda game. Which also means there can be some funny benny hill music playing while they chase it with a butterfly net.
@blalockj7788
@blalockj7788 10 месяцев назад
I pulled out my laptop just to post this same thing.
@veldin25
@veldin25 8 месяцев назад
However it's also intangible, so I don't think it can support the bucket, only can't move through it while it's obeying normal physics haha
@godminnette2
@godminnette2 10 месяцев назад
Glad to see manifest mind being recognized for its strength. I played an archivist Artificer during the third Artificer UA, and it had the same feature. An excellent scout. The fact that it is a magical apparition that casts light is a downside compared to familiars that seem to just be a regular animal. As an artificer, I've hidden it inside of or just about flames before, manifesting as flame or bits of smoke. The misty step trick is something I hadn't considered - though obviously I didn't have it on my artificer.
@kkrisztian2
@kkrisztian2 10 месяцев назад
can be argued that Misty Step and Thunder step are working differently, for MS's Range is self (not the spectral object's place, but your original self) whereas Thunder Step's Range is 90 ft
@burgernthemomrailer
@burgernthemomrailer 10 месяцев назад
⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@kkrisztian2Misty Step has a range of self, but “you can cast it as if you were in the spectral mind’s space,” and the spell allows you to teleport to an unoccupied space within 30 feet of you, but you are currently considered to be in the mind’s space, so it still works out.
@friday8531
@friday8531 10 месяцев назад
Raised an eyebrow at firewall a pit fiend. Seconds later i was reminded of who's temple i'm in
@ambrosedystopian1542
@ambrosedystopian1542 10 месяцев назад
I've been waiting for a while for the second half of this. It was actually on my mind earlier this week. This is like the echo knight for wizards. And yeah of course it's way better because it's for wizards😂
@aetherwolf9288
@aetherwolf9288 10 месяцев назад
How do you use the spell (added to the stuff mentioned in the video): Prepare Knock. Your mind won’t be blocked by doors anymore. Also you can lure guards away from your position and right into a fireball from the mind. On a similar note prepare Arcane lock to remove guards from play (as they can’t burst out of the door). Because the mind is an object most spells can’t even target it so it has inherent protection against blindness/deafness. Finally there might be some idiotic stuff you can do with clone and magic jar (as those need a component decided by your size and as the manifested mind needs less space than you, you could theoretically clone yourself to be tiny. In conclusion this feature is way more powerful than I remember it to be and the scribe wizard as a hole is in my opinion the strongest wizard in terms of utility. Have a nice day AEther
@terrypalmer193
@terrypalmer193 10 месяцев назад
Sorry knock doesn’t open doors
@aetherwolf9288
@aetherwolf9288 10 месяцев назад
@@terrypalmer193 Youre right
@greoryryryryryr
@greoryryryryryr 10 месяцев назад
Play as a tiefling so you can use thaumaturgy to open doors.
@aetherwolf9288
@aetherwolf9288 10 месяцев назад
@@greoryryryryryr this would be another use of your feature and probably a waste of your race selection.
@DarrylCross
@DarrylCross 8 месяцев назад
Although the manifest mind cannot pass through objects, it is classified as a tiny object itself; it should be able to circumnavigate anything with a large enough space to pass a coin through. Even in our world is it rare that a door is perfectly fitted ceiling to floor - usually that is only for exterior doors that are meant to keep out the elements. A case could be made that some of the interior doors do have a way for something tiny to go over/under/around it. If there is any kind of ventilation or plumbing in the structure, you could possibly also send the manifest mind through that.
@patrickhannon2694
@patrickhannon2694 10 месяцев назад
Hey Chris, did you know the wildfire Druid can do a lot of this with their level 6 ability too?
@TreantmonksTemple
@TreantmonksTemple 10 месяцев назад
Yes, Wildfire is an underappreciated druid subclass.
@GreeneLighte
@GreeneLighte 10 месяцев назад
This is a really good rundown. The only thing I'd push back on as a DM is being in a beholder's antimagic cone. I would rule that this breaks your clearly magical connection to your manifest mind.
@burgernthemomrailer
@burgernthemomrailer 10 месяцев назад
Doesn’t matter. The only thing an Antimagic Field would do, assuming the spectral mind was not inside it, is cause your telepathy with it to cease functioning, but the ability to cast a spell through the spectral mind does not require the telepathy to be functioning.
@kristianperez4108
@kristianperez4108 10 месяцев назад
​@@burgernthemomrailerCreatures within an antimagic field cannot cast spells.
@burgernthemomrailer
@burgernthemomrailer 10 месяцев назад
@@kristianperez4108 You aren’t considered to be in the Antimagic Field when you cast the spell. “Whenever you cast a wizard spell on your turn, you can cast it as if you were in the spectral mind's space, instead of your own, using its senses.”
@kristianperez4108
@kristianperez4108 10 месяцев назад
@@burgernthemomrailer You can't cast it in the first place, so further consideration cannot happen. The same is true if someone tries to counterspell you. These things take precedence the moment you begin or try to begin casting the spell, the book only takes precedence once you have.
@burgernthemomrailer
@burgernthemomrailer 10 месяцев назад
@@kristianperez4108 Wrong. From the Antimagic Field spell: “A slot expended to cast a suppressed spell is consumed.” Ergo, a creature inside an Antimagic Field spell can still take the Cast a Spell action. The spell’s effect is simply suppressed. However, if you are not in a space affected by Antimagic Field at the moment of casting, then the spell’s effect is not suppressed, as you are not in a space affected by Antimagic Field.
@nadirku
@nadirku 10 месяцев назад
I might be overly restrictive on this, but I think I would rule that you cannot cast spells from the manifested mind's space if you are in an anti-magic zone, since your main body would still be casting the spell.
@Levyathyn
@Levyathyn 4 месяца назад
If that's the hard rule of how you decide, then it stands to reason that spells cast from the mind's space can be counterspelled unless the enemy can see your body and is within range of it.
@nadirku
@nadirku 4 месяца назад
@@Levyathyn I am not sure I agree it follows that a caster being in an ant-magic zone preventing using manifested mind, or a familiar to cast a spell outside that zone means that counterspell can only target the caster... This might be harsh, and overly weaken Manifest Mind, and familiars, but I think I would rule counterspell could target either the caster, or the manifested mind/familiar. From a worldbuilding perspective, I would say that you are providing the power for the spell, so being an anti-magic zone would prevent you from supplying the power needed for the mind, or familiar to cast a spell. However, when casting a spell via the mind, or a familiar, they would be proactively coordinating casting the spell, making them a viable target for being counterspelled.
@travislahne9189
@travislahne9189 9 месяцев назад
I finally realized this would make a good blind wizard.
@pederw4900
@pederw4900 10 месяцев назад
My first time seeing this was in the capable hands of Emily Axford on critical role, and she’s a notorious powergamer lol
@jugglejunk
@jugglejunk 10 месяцев назад
Scribes wizard combines hilariously well with echoknight if you cast Resilient sphere on yourself. Than manifest your echo and your mind outside of it and only a disintegrate spell can make you hittable again. 😁😁😁🤣🤪😜 Edit: works best with a gestalt campaign. Though I would be tempted to also either dip order domain or get some sorcerer for metamagic.
@Addddam0
@Addddam0 10 месяцев назад
Tell me you're playing Curse of Strahd without telling me you're playing Curse of Strahd
@pacha1500
@pacha1500 10 месяцев назад
When this subclass came out I had an idea for a character but I ended up scrapping it, now I wanna play that character again. It was going to be a wizard who found a cursed spellbook, now that I understand how spectral mind really works it could be the ghost of the spellbook's creator
@andreacristiano5452
@andreacristiano5452 10 месяцев назад
Thanks, I was struggling to understand how I could imagine a book becoming sentient as a manifested mind connected to mine. I guess this is the reason the class is not widely played: people struggle with the fantasy behind it.
@McCrappy
@McCrappy 10 месяцев назад
Only counter I can see for this is for an enemy to try to throw a blanket or a container over it. The mind doesn't have a stat block, so it doesn't have any ability to avoid being blanketed. Obviously, use this sparingly and only where it's plausible that a suitable object would be available to trap the mind Edit: Also, the player would have the option to use a spell to help the mind escape, so they're not screwed. Fire bolt, thunderwave, etc
@MlMIC
@MlMIC 10 месяцев назад
Ah only problem with that is that the mind is intangible, so potentially some objects just pass through, like a blanket, but yeah a crate or panels providing total cover could potentially work it seems
@wesleyjudson599
@wesleyjudson599 10 месяцев назад
I will note, there are some interactions you mentioned here that are dubious RAW/RAI. Specifically, the antimagic cone and the misty step across the ravine. Explicitly; 1. The manifested mind ability itself would almost certainly be considered magical, and thus prevented by an antimagic field. 2. In addition, the 30ft limitation of misty step is probably referring to your own location, regardless of where you cast it from. I mention this because I don't want players to see the video, and assume it will always function this way. Similarly, GM's can and probably should interpret the ability to function in the two ways mentioned above.
@shanebernier2483
@shanebernier2483 10 месяцев назад
I have had the absolute pleasure of playing an Order of Scribes wizard as part of a west marches game for several years now where, in addition to getting all the way from level 5-19, I have also been able to spearhead coordination with all the other wizard players in the game to collect every published spell in the game. I am thus both proud and very slightly disappointed that I had already figured out all of these tactics.
@aetherwolf9288
@aetherwolf9288 10 месяцев назад
8:48 There is actually a cost to it. A minor and mostly hidden one but a cost none the less. In the PHB it is specified that you can only take one of the “(no action required)” actions per turn. A secondary might be permitted by the Dm but than it takes a hole action to do. So as long as you share your vision with the mind you cant open doors, draw your weapon or pick up something unless you are willing to use up your action.
@luka2784
@luka2784 10 месяцев назад
It doesn't say that you can take one "no action required" action, it says that you can only interact with one object or feature of the environment per turn without using an action. However, it says that you can 'You can communicate however you are able, through brief utterances and gestures, as you take your turn'. It seems much more likely that communicating with you manifested mind is supposed to come under the communication clause, not the object interaction clause. (PHB, chapter 9, your turn, other activity on your turn)
@aetherwolf9288
@aetherwolf9288 10 месяцев назад
@@luka2784 In the german cover of the book it states that if you wish to interact with a second object you have to use your action. I interpret “Other activities” as such no action requires as they aren’t listed as an action or bonus action or anything else. In case of the manifested mind its even clearer as the mind is part of your environment and is a tiny object and you interact with it. Those informations are from the same part of the PHB you just mentioned so I highly recommend you double check for yourself if the german cover is wrong with this. But as far as I can tell: You’re argumentation is not complete and as such your evaluation is wrong.
@luka2784
@luka2784 10 месяцев назад
@@aetherwolf9288 I see no reason to conclude that anything that says 'no action required' is an object interaction. I think that given specific beats general, and it is specifically stated that their is no action required to communicate with the mind, it would be a very strange ruling to say that sometimes you have to use your action. For instance, lets say I use my object interaction to open a door, and then want to communicate with the mind. I according to you, I wound now have to use my action for a feature that explicitly says no action required. Further more, in the section I referenced, separated to object interaction, their is text on communication, which I previously quoted, which I think would be must more applicable than the object interaction clause.
@aetherwolf9288
@aetherwolf9288 10 месяцев назад
@@luka2784 Fair points. However your quote specifically only mentions gesticulated communication. Also there is a difference between features that explicitly stated that they require no action and such that don’t mention anything. For example the manifested mind requires no action. Telepathy as a spell doesn’t mention if the communication needs an action or not. I personally would interpret it as if it isn’t specified if it takes no action it acts similar to a sense (like the elder brains psychic links). However if it is specified they can be classed as an interaction (dismissing an echo for an echo knight or breaking the link for an elder brain). Even if you don’t agree the communication action just mentions gesticulated communication. Verbal communication has no direct limit (however it can be assumed to work similar to the sending spell rules).
@foldionepapyrus3441
@foldionepapyrus3441 10 месяцев назад
Many of these manifest mind bonus do still apply to familiar, with the familiar being in some ways more capable, just with that serious risk of being splatted. So always worth considering which one suits the way you want to play more. I'd also suggest some of the target self spells and that interaction are open to interpretation - you can cast a spell as if you were in the minds space great you can cast mistystep there, but can't actually target 'self' for the misty step as your 'self' is out of range. So I'd suggest you can misty step the Mind itself, but not your corporeal form from the mind's space as you are not there to target. Obviously like teleporting inside a creature the DM may or may not allow, but it could be interpreted both ways. I think I'd lean towards RAW meaning target 'self' would be targeting the tiny object you are casting through and not the casters own body - so you still gain from the vision bonus letting you see around obstacle but are limited to 30' from where you physically where.
@funnyman359
@funnyman359 10 месяцев назад
Fantastic video, but I will say it is not ideal that your choices of example battlemaps spoil several parts and areas of !SPOILER! Curse of Strahd
@jaceg810
@jaceg810 10 месяцев назад
My scribes wizard once got in a measuring contest with a higher level wizard, After about 3 manifested minds the dm realised it was not sustainable to keep dispelling the manifested mind, and just let it get a peek.
@cptdjk
@cptdjk 10 месяцев назад
I really enjoy your work as it is very comprehensive, based on RAW / RAI, and provides useful example(s) for players and DMs. I do have a question based on video and spell description: Am I mistaken or are you saying you can move the Mind in any way / direction except vertically? Based on wording it can only hover (no horizonal movement, no speed listed) at the point where you located the initial casting. So it is a fixed camera, not a drone based video feed. Manifest Mind is still an amazing means of recon and may explain why there is no limit on the number of Minds you can have active at once. You could blanket an area with multiple minds but not move any of them from their casting location. Technically it does not say it is omni-directional so it may be limited in its field of view. I look forward to your thoughts, thank you for all of your excellent work.
@jeffreydoyle3143
@jeffreydoyle3143 10 месяцев назад
The direction something is facing is an optional rule. Creatures are generally assumed to have 360 vision. The mind doesn't technically have it's own move speed but the wizard can move it. "As a bonus action, you can cause the spectral mind to hover up to 30 feet to an unoccupied space that you or it can see. It can pass through creatures but not objects." Hovering is a type of flight which would allow vertical movement.
@kkrisztian2
@kkrisztian2 10 месяцев назад
@TreantmonksTemple It can be argued that Misty Step and Thunder step are working differently, for MS's Range is self (not the spectral object's place, but your original self) whereas Thunder Step's Range is 90 ft, but can be judged otherwise, according to: "you can cast it as if you were in the spectral mind's space" - which one do you think is RAW?
@NathanRoseDesign
@NathanRoseDesign 10 месяцев назад
One thing I noticed about Manifest Mind is that the description says it can't pass trough objects, so that means that constructs, undead and creatures wearing clothes (like gloves) could interact with it. So they could (try to) grapple it and put it in a box for example. That's one way for a dm to try to kind of limit the power of this feature.
@nomeperiltubo
@nomeperiltubo 10 месяцев назад
" The spectral mind is intangible and doesn't occupy its space". You can't grapple something you can't touch
@bskec2177
@bskec2177 10 месяцев назад
Summoning the Manifest Mind into the stomach of the purple worm may not work - I would consider that space to be occupied, whether or not there is a character in there already. I'm not sure on the dimensions of the Pit Fiend, but you may have a similar problem there - no "unoccupied space" left in the cage
@Lemurion287
@Lemurion287 10 месяцев назад
I'm normally a forever DM, but I managed to play an Order of Scribes Wizard at a con last year and it's amazing how good the Manifest Mind was for me. However, there's one thing I think you missed, or at least glossed over. Since the Mind persists over a long rest, as long as the wizard is willing to move it wherever they want to see rather than conjure it in place, they can conjure its replacement without expending a spell slot so long as they hadn't conjured it that day. So just conjure it the day before the adventure, then boom--you can replace it for free as needed.
@jeffreydoyle3143
@jeffreydoyle3143 10 месяцев назад
05:00 He got it
@AndrewBrownK
@AndrewBrownK 10 месяцев назад
aw lost opportunity to make it vulnerable to psychic damage
@StarRightStarTight
@StarRightStarTight 10 месяцев назад
Tasha’s just introduced so many busted classes that are cool on paper but kind of kill gameplay for the rest of the party in practice. “Oh yeah - everyone else at the table just be cool with being spectators while i do all the gameplay”
@AtelierGod
@AtelierGod 10 месяцев назад
No I haven’t seen such a thorough explanation of manifest mind before, they ban the subclass the moment they see “Alter the spells damage” and don’t even look at the rest.
@deeem9500
@deeem9500 10 месяцев назад
With a 2 level rogue dip or using the goblin species you can bonus action hide to stay safe. Also, I think you mentioned this, but if I do a cone attack spell from directly above the AoE is now a circle which is a great targeting option
@TobiasWibberenz
@TobiasWibberenz 10 месяцев назад
I like the idea. I am hesitant to play small sized races due the size limitation on some teleport spells ( All my Party member are Medium+) but i will consider the rouge dip, thank you :)
@afterhours8463
@afterhours8463 7 месяцев назад
I wouldn't recommend a Rogue dip. The class will just slow down your spell progression and not of the Rogue's other features are worth it.
@thedeaderer8791
@thedeaderer8791 10 месяцев назад
This is why ur the GOAT bro❤
@badgerchillsky535
@badgerchillsky535 10 месяцев назад
One thing I’d like to add, it doesn’t say you can see what the Mind sees. Find familiar specifically says you can see and hear through the familiar’s senses, where this says it can share what it sees telepathically. To me this means that it has to describe to you what it is seeing/hearing. The mind would need to make perception or investigation checks to notice certain things and then describe to you what it sees:
@badgerchillsky535
@badgerchillsky535 10 месяцев назад
If I were DM’ing for this character I think I’d have them roll mental stats for the book 😅
@badgerchillsky535
@badgerchillsky535 10 месяцев назад
Or maybe point buy 🤔 it starts at 8int, 6wis, 6cha and they get 16 points to spend. You can have an all around slightly above average intelligent book, or a really smart book that’s either not that wise, or an a** hole 😂 You have Sheldon in book form 😂
@JacobSienk
@JacobSienk 10 месяцев назад
I played a Scribes wizard in a Dragonlance setting that got to play 2 sessions after attaining this ability. I had considered many of these interactions, but not nearly as many as you have Treantmonk. You are a wonderful boon to the 5e community, thank you for your content and continued hard work.
@samuelbroad11
@samuelbroad11 10 месяцев назад
Just watched the wonderful oneshot with you and the DC20 rules: Romeo and Juliet. Be interested in seeing how high your 1st level PD was and what type of crunchy feedback you're giving the coach. I got the 0.4pdf on your recommendation (and DC10 discount!) and am aiming to drive my 5e table to closely follow it and support it. Sally's stubborn body guarding of Juliet saved a lot of grief in the game and I really enjoyed and laughed out loud a lot (anyone reading this you can watch it at 1.5x speed is fine). I almost never watch any online games, with the exception of Seth Skorkowsky's modern CoC one as tabloid journalists; but will watch any DC20 ones as I think the coach has nailed a heroic fantasy system on the resurrected bones of 5e, similar terms, familiar fantasy concepts and a delightful meshing of action points, squares, health points and cinematic action. One day I might sit back, relax and play some DC20, because DC20 is for everyone.
@loganreidy7055
@loganreidy7055 2 месяца назад
What do you think about Tempest Cleric (2) -> Scribes Wizard (18)? The changing damage types will let me deal max damage on a spell once per long rest of a wizard spell
@AdrianGell
@AdrianGell 4 месяца назад
I know I'm commenting on an old video, but having played one of these for a bit now, wanted to add some things that DMs can keep in mind so as not to let these get over-overpowered. 1) The manifest mind is a light source that cannot be shut off. It is not sneaky, and can call attention to the whole party sometimes. 2) Unlike a familiar, the wizard does not actually see directly through the manifest mind's senses, rather it can "telepathically share with you what it sees and hears". My understanding is that it just gives a verbal description to you. Lots of room for GM to determine what it assumes is relevant or how much detail. That said, I wish it provided guidance on how it handles something that would need a perception check. There may be an exception when casting a spell through it, as it actually says "using its senses" in that clause; This might be complicated by concentration spells - detect magic comes to mind. 3) This required a judgement call, but but it also opens some remote-casting questions that are not an issue with wizard familiars. I would rule that the misty step example in this video is not possible for two reasons, which come down to what the ability does *not* say. So you cast as if you are in that location, and you cast as if you see from that location, but you aren't actually there. So the target for misty step is "Self". From that location across the ravine and down, you may not have an unobstructed path to "Self" while casting, required to target. Also it would still limit to relocating actual-you 30 feet, because that has nothing to do with the vision or casting location. If the spell had a "Range" of 30 feet, targeting a location you can see, that'd be different. 3a) Side effect of my interpretation of #3: Counterspelling a scribe wizard requires actual-wizard to be a valid target, and I don't believe there would be any indication a spell was being cast.
@Quarter324
@Quarter324 10 месяцев назад
I believe this scribe subclass was once an Artificer subclass. I played it in a Strahd campaign and I really regretted it - the magic eye buddy familiar was great but was overall lacking for an artificer. In the hands of a wizard, however, it looks very powerful.
@MonochromaticPrism
@MonochromaticPrism 10 месяцев назад
I agree that this is strong but I think the second level feat might be the most powerful. You can create some wild combinations with element tweaking, like combining magic missile (fire) with mundane oil fired from a catapult spell or thrown by an ally for horrific damage output (1d4+1>1d4+6). Add an Imbued Wood Focus (fire) and a 1 level dip of Hex Blade warlock and that turns into a minimum of 1d4+9 PER dart (Wiz level 2). (Imbued Wood Focus works for al darts because magic missile technically only performs a single d4 roll)
@casbot71
@casbot71 5 месяцев назад
Considering that you let magic take care of all that bookwork that being a Wizard entails, this could also be considered one of the least nerdy Wizard classes. "Oh my awakened spellbook does all the studying for me... hang on you spent six hours copying one spell? I did it in under a quarter hour."
@martinberg7108
@martinberg7108 4 месяца назад
Say I multi class into Arcane Trickster for 9 levels. Can I use Manifest Mind to cast a spell from it’s location and trigger Magical Ambush?
@karvatappi
@karvatappi 4 месяца назад
Very nice ideas indeed! I liked especially the casting through walls part. I have been playing around with only casting darkness to my manifest mind 😅By how I have interpreted RAW it would allow me to cast the spell to an object and move the mind to place I can see but it cannot.
@Haematite
@Haematite 10 месяцев назад
ive manifested the mind through the Conquest paladin's Horse (can travel through creatures), and i affected it with [dragon breath]. it would then breath poison/fire (depending on opponent) during my turn ( I cast it, i concentrate on it, i control it). the Bard would shout "The nightmare is Raging again!" And try to 'intimidate' opponents. Then the conquest paladin would [Aura of Fear].
@NatsuDragn33I
@NatsuDragn33I 10 месяцев назад
Question! Say you've got a spell that targets some creature you can see. Well, if you can see around corners... do you even HAVE to cast from the book's position? You're able to see them via the book, so as long as they're within range from you to them for the spell in question, could you technically not use this to bend spells around corners without actually using the limited uses? It only says it's limited uses {when you cast from the book as if you were standing there}. Now obviously, if it's a lightning bolt spell, that's a straight line so going around cover doesn't work. But.... what about Hold Person? Theoretically, could you not lock a target in place in there room BEFORE you even break in, then break in without them being able to cry out since they're Held?
@ilovethelegend
@ilovethelegend 10 месяцев назад
I don't... know that what the Manifest Mind feature is describing is the same as what the Find Familiar spell does. See, to me, "Telepathically shares what it sees and hears" sounds like it's describing those things to you, not that you're literally looking through its eyes and hearing through its ears. Granted, in actual play, these things will frequently be identical, but there's some hitches that might come as a result of that. Hmm... that use of Misty Step sounds sketchy. I think that doesn't work, because Misty Step says "You teleport up to 30 feet..." not "You teleport to a space within 30 feet of you."
@DarrylCross
@DarrylCross 8 месяцев назад
Also along side the vision benefits, this would give an additional benefit to things like Fog Cloud or the Darkness spells. If you had two wizards facing off in a hall or corridor, the Scribes Wizard is at a great advantage simply having their manifest mind on the other side. So many spells have the stipulation that you can target "creature/point you can see in range." With the vision between them obscured, the scribe wizard can easily overcome the obstacle simply by having the manifest mind on the other side of the obstruction. It then simply becomes a case of "I can hit you, but you can't hit me back." You wouldn't even necessarily have to waste your charges on casting the spells from the Manifest Mind's position, you just need it to make visual contact. As long as the other caster is in range of you, and you can see them, you can hit them.
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