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DA40NG gusting crosswind landing with a surprise downdraft 

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This is why I prefer to have some extra airspeed before descending to ground effect. Diamond doesn't float - it drops like a rock if you are not careful. Compare this landing - altimeter&airspeed - to a short approach from last summer in easy circumstances.
Full stop landing after practice session of 5 preceding touch and go's.

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@bhc1892
@bhc1892 2 года назад
This landing was excellent. I'm an instructor that specializes in wind training. Click my name if you want proof. The pilot touched down on the center line, upwind wing low, nose high, soft-enough, with the longitudinal axis aligned with the runway, no side drift, and maintained xwind correction on the centerline throughout the rollout. To all the armchair critics. I don't care if you would have flown the approach differently, good for you. Do a landing this nice and post it to youtube, then have yourself a cookie because you earned it. Flap setting is a matter of pilot preference. Sure, less flaps lets you touch down a few knots faster, which makes the controls more effective, but now you're carrying more kinetic energy into the rollout, and less aerodynamic drag to bleed it off. Flaps are a tradeoff. As for his approach speed, it was plenty high. He wasn't dragging it in on the stall horn. My favorite thing is when a student adds 10kts to their approach speed because someone told them to on reddit, then they float halfway down the runway waiting for the landing to be over, finally they force it down too fast, and it starts skidding sideways because the wheels have no weight on them. It's the single most common mistake I see in rusty pilot xwind. The approach angle was fine, too. I fly steeper in my mooney and slower in my champ. Because I like doing it that way, not because it's the best way. My friends fly my planes differently and get the same results. If you think there's only one right way to fly in wind, you're wrong. Next time it's breezy go up and experiment with all the techniques - no flaps, full flaps, fast, slow, steep, shallow. You'll see they all work. Just keep enough padding in your energy state to absorb a gust without dropping onto terrain and you'll be fine.
@veritas6466
@veritas6466 2 года назад
Well said. I'm a low time pilot. The $200.00 hamburger type. Even I know that was a high pucker factor landing. Can you expound on ... "keep enough padding in your energy state". TIA.
@bhc1892
@bhc1892 2 года назад
@@veritas6466 Energy is airspeed and altitude. In gusty conditions you can be slow, or low, but not both. So your choices are to add a few knots to your approach speed (AFH recommended), or come in a little steeper (my preference my mooney). If you do neither, and a gust goes away, you may find yourself dropping onto terrain before reaching the runway.
@MyGoogleYoutube
@MyGoogleYoutube 2 года назад
If he wasn't riding the stall warning before touch down....what was that buzzing sound that sounded like a stall warning?
@bhc1892
@bhc1892 2 года назад
@@MyGoogleRU-vid The touchdown still needs to be at or close to full stall, so the tires firmly grip the runway. Otherwise you end up skidding sideways due to low weight on wheels.
@stuart.barkley
@stuart.barkley 3 года назад
Fantastic landing under the circumstances. Well done.
@2468013579ish
@2468013579ish 2 года назад
What about the rudders
@tuupilotti
@tuupilotti 2 года назад
@@2468013579ish Aileron to steer the plane along the centerline, rudder to keep the plain straight - to control the yaw? This means you will be in a bank in crosswind. In an airliner, the crosswind technique is different, but I don't need to able to explain how it works, because I haven't got training for an airliner. You might puncture your tyre of a small plane attempting to kick the plane straight after touchdown when bringing it to ground in a grab (wings level, nose pointing to direction of wind correction, aircraft sideways tracking along runway centerline). An airliner has huge amount of energy that keeps it going in its direction, regardless where the nose is pointed! (Could grabbed heavy airliner actually straighten itself after touchdown without rudder input? - I am guessing here! Someone must know better!) Earlier someone pointed out unexistent ability of modern pilots to fly a 1940's taildragger - in a taildragger it is essential to be perfectly aligned with runway, which means you will be in a bank when you land in crosswind. Take it or leave it.
@stuart.barkley
@stuart.barkley 2 года назад
@@2468013579ish Yes he was using those as well.
@2468013579ish
@2468013579ish 2 года назад
@@tuupilotti well said, credit where credit is due, excellent work, however like most powered pilots, he seems to be hesitant with using rudders to keep the nose dead straight
@2468013579ish
@2468013579ish 2 года назад
@@okuliarerayban9481 I am a glider, powered and rotary pilot, please elaborate
@vauhner81
@vauhner81 2 года назад
Nice job carrying the threshold. Nice and calm. Not death gripping the controls. Beautiful.
@leedorey1490
@leedorey1490 2 года назад
Plenty of flying hours right there. Excellent piloting sir.
@romainpayet7307
@romainpayet7307 2 года назад
Very well done. That downdraft was surprising. I probably would had go around. 👌
@hpsindustries
@hpsindustries 3 года назад
Nothing about that indicated windshear or down draft. What I did see was an approach that was too slow for a crosswind landing. When you take out the crab and add aileron at the bottom you decrease your lift and if you don’t increase your approach speed to account for that then you will stall prematurely at the touchdown point and you will feel a sudden sink that may be interpreted as a down draft to the unaware pilot.
@Frabusne
@Frabusne 3 года назад
I think the high trees on the side of the airport played a role too in cutting off any wind with a “surprise” reduction in the speed.
@bhc1892
@bhc1892 2 года назад
An obvious loss of lift occurs at 0:40. There was plenty of airspeed.
@flybrendanfly6580
@flybrendanfly6580 4 года назад
Great throttle control and reaction to that wind sheer. Could have gone much worse!
@invisibletosociety8338
@invisibletosociety8338 2 года назад
I'm not a pilot and don't know very much about flying a small plane but that was an awesome landing. Impressive
@TheKaminoExtra
@TheKaminoExtra 2 года назад
Holy hell, well done
@devworthygamestm367
@devworthygamestm367 2 года назад
That drop-in was horribly fascinating! Nice control!!
@SL8408
@SL8408 2 года назад
I think your reactions were spot on so it made it not look so bad. Was hard to read the VSI For the down draft, but regardless great job man!
@sameshitdifferentcolour4197
@sameshitdifferentcolour4197 3 года назад
very good i expect right wheel first but you made it better at the end.
@flyingmortgageman
@flyingmortgageman 2 года назад
Yep looked like a full attention required landing. I have a airfield that has a bank of trees just before the threshold and if your on a normal approch they suck you down and i get the Stall alarm just like you did. On that runway we always come in high, full flap and dive past the trees throttle closed to avoid the hole in the air. Hard when your first learning fun once you have :-) Love the DA40 but my head hits the canopy so not good for me on longer trips as i get kneck ache.
@athgt6630
@athgt6630 2 года назад
Great reaction to the downdraft. Well done, fly safe
@MyGoogleYoutube
@MyGoogleYoutube 2 года назад
Bleeding off all of your energy in your long and flat flare and riding the stall warning to the ground - not what you should be doing in gusty conditions.
@laurentsamson8927
@laurentsamson8927 2 года назад
Interesting point but be more convincing on why
@MyGoogleYoutube
@MyGoogleYoutube 2 года назад
@@laurentsamson8927 In gusty conditions..... it's.....gusty :) If you're peeing away all of your energy on an extended flare and riding the stall warning you're going to have no control authority or energy left to overcome a gust. Considering adding a few knots to your final (If the poh endorses that", aim for the TDZ, don't float, land firmly.
@HRradness
@HRradness 2 года назад
What he said. Also don't hold the stick so tight.
@konstantinohhh
@konstantinohhh 2 года назад
Cool as a fan
@Diesel0821
@Diesel0821 3 года назад
Great throttle response to downdraft.
@SKPkickboxBB
@SKPkickboxBB 2 года назад
Why did you extend full flaps in such a strong wind ?
@bhc1892
@bhc1892 2 года назад
Pilot preference. Some prefer less flaps for more control surface authority. Others prefer full flaps for a shorter ground roll. I use full flaps for the approach and retract them at the moment of touchdown for maximum weight on wheels.
@haydenshockley9432
@haydenshockley9432 2 года назад
The real question
@garyowen9044
@garyowen9044 2 года назад
Nicely done.
@clarkchambers9992
@clarkchambers9992 2 года назад
Smooth as silk.
@caddyworks3307
@caddyworks3307 2 года назад
If it goes down when it's supposed to and not before, it's always a good thing
@jonathanwu9079
@jonathanwu9079 2 года назад
Well done.
@whiplash8277
@whiplash8277 2 года назад
Nice landing given the challenging conditions.
@thomashammersley924
@thomashammersley924 2 года назад
Nice job. Check your glide path. It might just be the camera but it appeared like you were low on the approach. In gusty and turbulent conditions it's best to approach with a higher angle of attack. But if you're not comfortable with that or have not been trained accordingly then stay with what you are most proficient with.
@aaronsastronomy9236
@aaronsastronomy9236 2 года назад
He got a downdraft that pushed him off path, it was 2 white and 2 red Papi's prior.
@bobnoblesjr.465
@bobnoblesjr.465 2 года назад
Nicely done!
@mattmaster2582
@mattmaster2582 2 года назад
Great landing!!!
@simcptmike
@simcptmike 2 года назад
very nicely done
@jonnekallu1627
@jonnekallu1627 2 года назад
From this angle you kinda look like Hank from King of the Hill.
@tyroniousyrownshoolacez2347
@tyroniousyrownshoolacez2347 2 года назад
Nothing to see here folks. Routine crosswind landing. Very common.
@bhc1892
@bhc1892 2 года назад
Meh I don't think OP oversold it. Sure it wasn't the gnarliest of xwinds but at least we didn't have to sit through a 5 minute intro and 25 minute flight to finally see it. And it was well flown.
@tyroniousyrownshoolacez2347
@tyroniousyrownshoolacez2347 2 года назад
@@bhc1892 👍
@chinoman7234
@chinoman7234 2 года назад
Looked good to me !!!
@mmichaeldonavon
@mmichaeldonavon 2 года назад
Great job!
@IslandBoy958
@IslandBoy958 2 года назад
Excellent 👍
@chrisr4804
@chrisr4804 2 года назад
wow
@Aakarsh350
@Aakarsh350 2 года назад
Lovely!
@halilcankaya3202
@halilcankaya3202 2 года назад
Why aoa. Negative did you chose for appoach ? İsn't uncomfortible , lower appoach speed higher aoa. İsn't usefull?
@tuupilotti
@tuupilotti 2 года назад
There is no angle of attack sensor nor indicator in this aeroplane. The attitude of nose doesn't necessarily tell you anything about angle of attack. The AFM specifies approach speed (IAS) for different landing masses. You can easily read the standby airspeed indicator, that shows around 80 knots, which is propably few knots extra in this configuration, and when reaching ground effect the airspeed slows down just below 60 which just above stall speed as I raise the nose. I always use pitch for speed, power for altitude during final approach. Generally speaking in every aircraft using full flaps helps you to put your nose down to see where you are going. Of course you have to correct this before touchdown to make the landing on main wheels first. To accomplish this you need some energy - airspeed. We don't want any stall-spin accident, that's why a safe airspeed is absolute requirement during final approach, there must be a safety margin for any sudden change of conditions.
@halilcankaya3202
@halilcankaya3202 2 года назад
@@tuupilotti thank you for informations 🙏
@halops117
@halops117 2 года назад
Nice job dolph lundgren
@ascherlafayette8572
@ascherlafayette8572 2 года назад
I'm surprised the diamond doesn't float with those wings
@tuupilotti
@tuupilotti 2 года назад
This DA40NG with Austro diesel engine is much heavier (the newbuilts have 1310kg MTOW, the plane in this video is limited to 1280kg) than a DA40 Diamond Star with a Lycoming avgas engine. NG stalls at 60 knots with full flaps whereas the lighter avgas version stalls at 52 knots at 1200kg. The wing is basically same, but NG has winglets.
@TrollMeister_
@TrollMeister_ 2 года назад
Where was the downdraft ?
@pouetpouet941
@pouetpouet941 2 года назад
Not far before the start of the landing zone. Right after you can hear the stall buzzer.
@ControlFreak-y5q
@ControlFreak-y5q 26 дней назад
REAL
@BrockNielsen
@BrockNielsen 2 года назад
What plane is this?
@tuupilotti
@tuupilotti 2 года назад
Diamond DA40NG, with Austro Diesel engine.
@BrockNielsen
@BrockNielsen 2 года назад
@@tuupilotti thank you
@nizaral-amir2813
@nizaral-amir2813 2 года назад
That shit was fucking nuts bro
@RyogaXvX
@RyogaXvX 2 года назад
Greased it
@Shaken_AND_Stirred
@Shaken_AND_Stirred 2 года назад
Sounds similar to a turbo prop.
@ricfermi5886
@ricfermi5886 2 года назад
Didn't see any surprise downdraft
@bhc1892
@bhc1892 2 года назад
0:40. Listen for the engine power setting to increase to counter the loss of lift.
@WhiteHawk77
@WhiteHawk77 2 года назад
@@bhc1892 looked like 0:52 to me
@bhc1892
@bhc1892 2 года назад
@@WhiteHawk77 Yeah agreed about 0:52, but it also sounds like the engine revs up at 0:40. Only OP knows for sure, wind shear doesn't come through very well in gopro video. I remember a flight where I was in straight-up free fall for about a second, needed full power and brisk forward elevator to get it flying again. When I went back and watched the video, I could barely even identify the timestamp.
@WhiteHawk77
@WhiteHawk77 2 года назад
@@bhc1892 guess it depends on how pitch up or down the nose is to the horizon and the angle of the camera on a 2D screen for how easy it is to see I suppose?
@bhc1892
@bhc1892 2 года назад
​@@WhiteHawk77 Sounds right. To me, windshear is something I've always identified by feel rather than sight. Your butt gets lighter in the seat and the controls feel mushier.
@74tgf
@74tgf 2 года назад
EASY!!!
@edmoore3910
@edmoore3910 2 года назад
Never seen down draft..
@antoniobraz5912
@antoniobraz5912 4 года назад
Uns interessantes tem o jogo ou você tá dizendo
@botchi1
@botchi1 2 года назад
👍👌😀
@tomdick693
@tomdick693 2 года назад
be thankful you're in something easy that you can get away with extra speed. Try that in a jet and you're in big trouble
@henriksoderstrom6815
@henriksoderstrom6815 2 года назад
RIP EFHF :(
@MrBeard-ig5zc
@MrBeard-ig5zc 2 года назад
Flying looks easy. Landing, not really.
@Misha-dr9rh
@Misha-dr9rh 2 года назад
any chucklefuck off the street can land a plane getting it on the runway in one piece is another story
@MOAB-UT
@MOAB-UT 2 года назад
I don't echo "well done/" I think it was reckless to attempt to land. You should have gone around. This scenario is the whole reason why you train touch and goes. One good downdraft and you were toast.
@bhc1892
@bhc1892 2 года назад
No. The pilot handled the loss of lift at 0:40 perfectly, by powering through it. What do touch n goes have to do with anything? Surely you realize it's not the same thing as a go around. Also, the pilot did get a downdraft and handled it fine. Maybe in your flight sim you can circle forever waiting for the wind to die down, but this guy had to eventually put it down somewhere. Conditions here were challenging but well within his comfort zone, as he demonstrated.
@Virtualmix
@Virtualmix 2 года назад
If you go around every time it's a little windy you will never land. Better learn crosswind landing technics like this pilot applied.
@jasonwhite1069
@jasonwhite1069 2 года назад
I'm going to guess that you aren't a pilot? This was a great day to get out and do some circuits...the only way to become and remain proficient at landing in less than ideal conditions is to practice landing in less than ideal conditions.
@wizcorn9958
@wizcorn9958 2 года назад
I hate getting a surprise downdraft after I rip a big fat juicy FART💩
@bobroberts2217
@bobroberts2217 2 года назад
God I wish that were me
@MrAeronca100
@MrAeronca100 3 года назад
LOL I can just imagine this generation of so called "Pilots" flying a Cessna 195
@laurentsamson8927
@laurentsamson8927 2 года назад
A DA40 is not a small plane either as a 152 is. What makes a fine pilot it is not that much a matter of plane model but much more on weather, runaway width and length and approach complexity they fly thought during their formation. I guess you don't even know what a 195 is because I can't figure out what you mean comparing a 1940 tail wheeler with a modern DA40 much easier to fly in this case.
@MaxPower888
@MaxPower888 2 года назад
I'm in this gen of pilots. I see no issues with flying a Cessna 195. What do you mean? Obviously it's a tail dragger and got a radial but I believe a little training will let any private pilot fly one.
@MrAeronca100
@MrAeronca100 2 года назад
@@MaxPower888 A suggestion for you, find a 195 a let the owner let you sit in it, maybe see if you might get a ride, for your generation flying what we call kiddy cars would find the 195 (a wonderful airplane BTW) would be like dancing with an elephant as compared to the New Plastic airplanes, also a "A little Training" ain't gonna cut it and you are way off thinking any Private pilot could handle one, I am not the only old pilot (Since 1964 retired 2003) that feels that way as even Cessna's CEO back in the 1980's was asked at a seminar "Why don't you bring back the 195?" his reply was, we could but who could fly them!
@MrAeronca100
@MrAeronca100 2 года назад
@@laurentsamson8927 Well Kid I have been around long before your generation of plastic kiddy cars were around the DA 40 is classified as Kite by my generation nick named Melmac missiles,( Retired Pilot 2003 flying since 1964 ) I suggest you try these same conditions in a Cub but make sure you have a real pilot with you!
@alanwatts8239
@alanwatts8239 2 года назад
@@MrAeronca100 All that wisdom and not a drop of respect or patience to pass it along.
@Iceman12388888888
@Iceman12388888888 2 года назад
Horrifying airplane. Way too light
@alanwatts8239
@alanwatts8239 2 года назад
Because the good planes are the super heavy ones right? Because heavy things fly better?
@Jordan-qq9mg
@Jordan-qq9mg 2 года назад
Lol I fly a 7ECA Citabria. The DA40’s EW is my TKO weight with 1 passenger and fuel. If you think this thing is light try flying a Cub or a Citabria.
@alanwatts8239
@alanwatts8239 2 года назад
@@Jordan-qq9mg Or a bush plane.
@AdamKasprzyk
@AdamKasprzyk 2 года назад
you cant fly this plane :D and you show this public :D congratulations! More speed, full flaps at the verry end, midium flaps too fast, speed way to slow for those conditions, approach too flat.
@laurentsamson8927
@laurentsamson8927 2 года назад
Off xourse he can and it's exactly what he did. Landing a plane safely and almost center line with no damage or injurie. That's what any pilote should do even if his landing was not perfect. Your comment is just stupid and useless.
@grantonokah4916
@grantonokah4916 3 года назад
Very well done!
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