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@BenChan14
@BenChan14 11 месяцев назад
DPS getting solo jumped by tank: "Imma try everything and pray I can live through" Support getting solo jumped by tank "lol try me bitch"
@LiterallyPaulGeorge
@LiterallyPaulGeorge 11 месяцев назад
So true lol. Even reaper is easier to deal with than supp
@realms4219
@realms4219 11 месяцев назад
God forbid you dare to look at Ana. You just wake up in spawn.
@adamvfx4368
@adamvfx4368 11 месяцев назад
LITERALLY
@InceyWincey
@InceyWincey 11 месяцев назад
The problem isn’t that the tank is fighting a support 1v1. The Tank is fighting 2, 3 or even 4v1. If Doomfist actually dove a solo support he would win. Tanks can win any 1v1. They all do more than enough damage and have more than enough health to kill any character in the game long before they themselves die. The problem is that as tank you get shot by everyone so you never really take a 1v1.
@RemedieX
@RemedieX 11 месяцев назад
​@@InceyWinceyThis is false. Tanks don't just win every 1v1. Maybe in lower ranks, but Bap has effectively 350+HP and his jump allows him to make distance, if he doesn't outright claim high ground most tanks can't reach (Rein, Hog, Jq, Sigma, Zar, Ramattra), while still shooting back even on the way up and down (assuming there's no hg). I'm telling you right now as a GM DPS and Supp, most tanks are there to annoy you and are pushovers unless they're ulting. They have the least elim potential in the game atm aside from DVa and Zar who were, coincidentally, the DPS tanks in OW1 with their high damage potential. Bap can also outduel anyone in the game atm. Good immort placement with good aim (tanks have huge head hitboxes) and you're good. Bap is a team effort. Don't just take my word, though, watch some tier lists. Check Wanted, he just uploaded one. Flats too, and a few more. I already knew these things, but they confirm the same thing.
@dem0yt969
@dem0yt969 11 месяцев назад
I get Dafran's an FPS ACE, but the entire supp role is just absolutely busted man. Not to mention the biggest reason tanking is dog again is because of the supports.
@celld793
@celld793 11 месяцев назад
As dafran said, its not all supports ... compare Zen with Illari for example. Imo, Zen would require soo much more skill to provide equal value, beginning at the difference in mobility capabilities ...
@rick-db1wr
@rick-db1wr 11 месяцев назад
@@celld793discord takes 0 skill
@iNSANELYSMART409
@iNSANELYSMART409 11 месяцев назад
@@rick-db1wr still gotta hit your shots as zen lmfao. Illari shoots treelogs out with her primary fire, if you miss often with Illari you should just uninstall.
@celld793
@celld793 11 месяцев назад
@@rick-db1wr A u gotta hit ur shots B the range nerf on disc was actually noticeable, you either have to play closer to the enemy and risk dying easier or have no disc applied. This doesn't in every situation, though.
@rick-db1wr
@rick-db1wr 11 месяцев назад
@@celld793 A u gotta hit ur shots b
@michaelpurdy9165
@michaelpurdy9165 11 месяцев назад
As a support main, I think that part of the reason why support players think their role is underwhelming is because they’re so focused on trying to heal from sitting behind the tank, they forget they have an attack button. I can attest to how lethal support is if you have good mechanics, but still many people would rather heal bot lol
@devindavon6615
@devindavon6615 11 месяцев назад
I blame the community for that one,first couple seasons it was literally just DPS and tank telling supports to "just pocket me and we win" and "you're only here to heal" so I'm not surprised there is just a portion of the community that just healbots. That being said we definitely should cull like half the support abilities effectiveness,the problem with most of them is they can't be forced out or baited. There is no baiting Suzu,Lamp,pull, and especially pylon so they either need less damage or less power on the E abilities.
@Sam-vw4ks
@Sam-vw4ks 11 месяцев назад
@@devindavon6615I think the community is overreacting when it comes to those abilities because let’s be honest those abilities are a 1 and done deal. They offer very little outside of their intended use and the support players SHOULD be rewarded for using them properly on top of the fact that they are essentially needed in this day in age of overwatch, without bap the words “dmg creep” would spill into the game and without kiri tanks would be blown up within seconds after getting hit with anti nade. When it comes down to pull its honestly just a save mechanism for bad teammates because there’s nothing worse then having a teammate who is down right awful with positions and could ultimately ruin your game, especially when this game boils down to which team has the weakest link.
@Sam-vw4ks
@Sam-vw4ks 11 месяцев назад
@@devindavon6615I do agree however some support aspects should be nerfed, baps regeneration burst is too much, life weavers main heal is also too much considering it’s a burst heal, nerf kiri healing just a tad bit while providing more consistent damage and that’s really it, aside from that and a few small number tweaks I don’t see a reason why supports should be heavily nerfed unless the community wants to give in the stereotype that “all supports must be mediocre heal bots”
@bang1054
@bang1054 11 месяцев назад
Rip life weaver, cant dps for shit lmao
@devindavon6615
@devindavon6615 11 месяцев назад
@@Sam-vw4ks I think that's the best way because then it encourages you to use your cooldowns more and play for damage which is what we want because that's more interesting to play and to watch.
@carlossaliba3478
@carlossaliba3478 11 месяцев назад
holy shit the doom at 4:08 nearly canceling illari ult was insane
@clarasterum5281
@clarasterum5281 11 месяцев назад
yesss I thought I was the only one who noticed
@helix7398
@helix7398 11 месяцев назад
he actually canceled one at 6:33
@spiegeleifisch2982
@spiegeleifisch2982 11 месяцев назад
not canceled the ult but stunned her mid-flight. Still good I guess@@helix7398
@A7m0spher1C
@A7m0spher1C 11 месяцев назад
he didnt cancel but he did hit both times
@hariswasti3816
@hariswasti3816 11 месяцев назад
​@@helix7398not cancelled she already shot
@codyaccola880
@codyaccola880 11 месяцев назад
I know Dafran is one of the best support players in the world, but even in my gold/silver games, a competent Baptiste feels impossible to kill at times, and feels like they're hitting you in the face with a sack full of bricks.
@asdfasfdsadfsfdfes
@asdfasfdsadfsfdfes 11 месяцев назад
If a goldie does that most likely hes toggled tf on. Goldies have terrible aim.
@krazysamurai
@krazysamurai 11 месяцев назад
he is definitely not one of the best supports
@joeyu498
@joeyu498 11 месяцев назад
just treat his CDs as his extra lifes, you get rid of them hes much more easier to kill
@asdfasfdsadfsfdfes
@asdfasfdsadfsfdfes 11 месяцев назад
@@joeyu498 Still though, most supports in ow2 are overtuned and the game can sometimes feel like a slogfest. It is a result of the lack of any sort of strats and gamesense that OW1 requried. The game now has become more of a brawling simulator.
@Dark_Shadow_Support
@Dark_Shadow_Support 11 месяцев назад
@@asdfasfdsadfsfdfesthat’s the point lol any one can pop of and make plays ow1 had a rock paper scissors concept that a lot of noobs would t understand and that’s what off tank complements the main tank, and what two DPS work together and what supports work together well and complement each other and how do we get around the enemy’s double shields, or other DPS combos lol ow2 still requires coordination
@opiates8777
@opiates8777 11 месяцев назад
Bap needs a buff badly, lower imort cooldown and let his healing nades self heal 💯💯💯, probably should get a visor when shooting through window too
@joaquinleyva6869
@joaquinleyva6869 11 месяцев назад
Self-healing nades would basically make him unkillable
@opiates8777
@opiates8777 11 месяцев назад
@@joaquinleyva6869 he already is 💀, I’m acting like a support player
@joaquinleyva6869
@joaquinleyva6869 11 месяцев назад
@@opiates8777 yeah but self-healing nades would make him super unkillable
@commentbot9510
@commentbot9510 11 месяцев назад
8:40 playing dva, not knowing what could possibly be done, then switching to Zarya and just pressing w with high energy is so accurate to my experiences 😂
@timothybraun3796
@timothybraun3796 11 месяцев назад
AlabamaState turbo streamsniping still lmfao. Dudes has made an appearance in every single rank from gold-gm
@ravenpines
@ravenpines 11 месяцев назад
7:46 dying 13 times when your mercy pocket dies only 3, like, bro
@babydemon46
@babydemon46 11 месяцев назад
When mum says we have yzsna at home
@elmoskippari5342
@elmoskippari5342 11 месяцев назад
That dude gotta be the most insufferable human to play against. Always when I play against him he just flames his team and complains about everything while feeding his brains out
@carrots6249
@carrots6249 11 месяцев назад
I legitimately don't understand why people don't play Bap, he been badly powercrept ever since the regen burst buff that instantly fills back up all his hp. He is impossible to duel against even more then Illari, it just that players can't see underrated characters. Like it took way too long for players to finally realize Zarya is actually good before the buff when the the cooldown nerf got reverted along time ago, and she got was a slap on the wrist with a -.5 duration on bubbles.
@elune43749
@elune43749 11 месяцев назад
He's underrated because you have to have really good aim to play him
@clarasterum5281
@clarasterum5281 11 месяцев назад
personally I just think he's boring af
@XxPlus6xX
@XxPlus6xX 11 месяцев назад
hes been meta for a long time, it's just the average player is around gold and plat and don't see his value when you can choose moira instead. he's a mechanically inclined hero.
@Jeff9655
@Jeff9655 11 месяцев назад
he's really hard to play. Think ab how u have to switch targets from healing to shooting really fast to optimize the shoot shoot heal timing, plus theres just alot of stuff you have to think about
@carrots6249
@carrots6249 11 месяцев назад
He got one nerf change out of all ow2 which was a small regen nerf, he not nearly played as much as should in top play in order to get a serious nerf like he deserves.
@Dc_123_dc
@Dc_123_dc 11 месяцев назад
Ash has a similar mobility option to baptiste, except it’s on a 12 second cd. Also, that ability slot is open for one of the highest burst heal resources in the game. Ridiculous
@iNSANELYSMART409
@iNSANELYSMART409 11 месяцев назад
Yeah Bap, Kiriko and Illari need some hard nerfs.
@Dc_123_dc
@Dc_123_dc 11 месяцев назад
@@iNSANELYSMART409 sorry they can’t touch kiri she’s my favorite
@natedavis2944
@natedavis2944 11 месяцев назад
@@iNSANELYSMART409ana lowkey does too but not as much as them. Kiriko needs it the worst but bap is right behind. I will never understand why they gave illari the biggest hitscan projectile… like why does a support need it to be incredibly easy to get damage when she has a healing turret, good burst healing, and a strong ult. Why does she need the giant size shot as well?
@BlueDrew10
@BlueDrew10 11 месяцев назад
@@iNSANELYSMART409 Kiri needs a bigger hitbox and headshots to deal 2x instead of 2.5x. Bap just needs a healing nerf across the board (and for them to finally implement that lamp change they teased in an April Fool's patch). Illari needs a general heal nerf as well, but not as much as Bap.
@shibuiow9332
@shibuiow9332 11 месяцев назад
⁠@@BlueDrew10 illari doesn’t need heal nerf they’ve already nerfed it It’s her easy to hit shots that’s an issue bap shoots bullets you gotta be more precise illari shoots giant beams of HITSCAN sunlight
@umekluschter8428
@umekluschter8428 11 месяцев назад
Dafran is just insane 🤯 Really like that you started to play CS2! I've played CSGO my whole life but can't really get into CS2 right now because I have little time in the evenings :/ Liked the switch up today with Overwatch, you still got in in you 💪🏻
@miguelbalderas613
@miguelbalderas613 11 месяцев назад
Love how @dafran can play any role and dominate, always fun watching his gameplay 🙌🏽
@yeti4269
@yeti4269 11 месяцев назад
They need to make his ult charge decrease per amount of healing/dmg done. Bap still gets window way too quickly
@billy508
@billy508 11 месяцев назад
Are people just now realizing that Bap is one of the top 3 best duelists in the game and has insane healing potential with good mobility on no cooldown?
@Katastrophe9009
@Katastrophe9009 11 месяцев назад
Honestly, I feel like putting his super jump on cooldown would be a welcome change. Would make it so Baps have to decide when to commit to a fight, as oppose to just being able to dip whenever he wants.
@weezergiantfly
@weezergiantfly 11 месяцев назад
Bap has been the best supp in the game since they nerfed the first iteration of Kiriko IMO. No other character has simultaneous high damage and high healing output before Illari came out, but Illari can't left and right click at the same time like Bap.
@zyonthelickman
@zyonthelickman 11 месяцев назад
bait
@JEFFTHEBOSS-si3oq
@JEFFTHEBOSS-si3oq 11 месяцев назад
ana
@TheRealHypervizor
@TheRealHypervizor 11 месяцев назад
Yeah support is crazy rn overall.. I had an illari game the other day (in qp) on the new map and had like 40 elims while my DPS couldn't kill anything.. the other team started hard focusing me and solo ulting me.. and still outhealed my other support. The 3 supports Dafran said + Ana and Zen have insane carry potential.
@Taziod
@Taziod 11 месяцев назад
Good. It's about time.
@zily7866
@zily7866 11 месяцев назад
Sometimes youre the top rated player in the lobby and its entirely on you to carry. what youre describing isnt Illari OP pls nerf, thats god job you did what you were supposed to do. Dafran playing 1 support game and dominating in low GM because hes not a support player means absolutely nothing. Same shit, different day.
@TheRealHypervizor
@TheRealHypervizor 11 месяцев назад
@@zily7866 Nobody said anything about illari OP pls nerf. It's actually wild that you people come into comment sections with an agenda to argue a point nobody was discussing.
@Manicboy8
@Manicboy8 11 месяцев назад
Did you just say you can carry on zen? Only works in plat and below, and this is coming from a diamond peak person who basically just got out of plat, so it has literally happened to me. zen is entirely balanced except for discord and is pretty to play if your gonna make up for the fact you barely do more healing than Lucio on un-amped heals and it's also only single person. I would say zen is hard to play but intill they nerf his discord on tanks, i can't really argue if someone says he is easy (which before you say anything yes I know almost the entire comment has nothing to do with what you said) I'm also a zen main.
@zily7866
@zily7866 11 месяцев назад
You mentioned your champion, at no ponit was your champion relevant to the comment you made. You played a game where you got 40 kills tells me everything. You portray a very clear message on your thoughts of the champion when you use them in your words. Perhaps you should think about how you convery your message. Its wild to me that youre so blind to what comes out your own mouth when screaming in the comments at people who read the tone you portrayed. I can be unreasonable on the internet using your language too. Try again@@TheRealHypervizor
@YangBalanceYin
@YangBalanceYin 11 месяцев назад
The contrast in how much more carefully we have to play tank for maybe 70% of the impact is an excellent contrast in this video from just playing Bap. Granted his supports in that tank game were pretty hit or miss.
@masterofthej9103
@masterofthej9103 11 месяцев назад
Dafran do you want to kiss
@comradecarl8105
@comradecarl8105 11 месяцев назад
!?
@BenDover-ku5px
@BenDover-ku5px 11 месяцев назад
Yes dood come here bb
@hotdiggity6846
@hotdiggity6846 11 месяцев назад
1:49 How does dafran not shift? How does the Kiriko not fucking KILL HIM?? WHAT?
@riptyurass302
@riptyurass302 11 месяцев назад
That’s how you can tell a dps player from a support player, a support player is worrying about how to use utility to stay alive, a dps player is putting all his concentration in killing the enemy and won’t focus on that.
@emilior934
@emilior934 11 месяцев назад
Its a Support Stalemate created by Kiriko mistake -> The early sozu. HP should have been used as a Resource (what Bap did). Bap cannot afford to shift here, because he is laying suppressing fire(aka messing with kirikos aim).
@hotdiggity6846
@hotdiggity6846 11 месяцев назад
@@emilior934 How does firing at Kiriko mess up her aim?
@emilior934
@emilior934 11 месяцев назад
@hotdiggity6846 what kind of stupid question is that? Anyone can land a headshot if they are not being contested.
@hotdiggity6846
@hotdiggity6846 11 месяцев назад
@@emilior934 Anyone can also land a headshot if they are being contested. My aim is not suddenly gonna get worse just because someone is shooting at me. If the Kiriko didn't make a 1 in a thousand throw and miss 3 easy bodyshots in a row Dafran would have been dead.
@tev984
@tev984 8 месяцев назад
Supports have the most overloaded kits in the game. Take bap. Dps level damage. Dps ultimate that lets you basically one shot people. Insane aoe healing. An immortality ability that if used correctly is even more annoying if placed around corners where it cant be shot. And on top of that. They give him the unlimited mobility with no cooldown to just jump out of the way of abilities or take highground whenever he wants. Kiriko is the same way. Insane damage. Get out of jail free teleport ability that can go through walls. Immortality abilities. And vertical mobility. I feel like what Blizzard needs to do is create a square and at each corner label things like "damage, survability, utility, and mobility" then when designing heroes. They need to pick only two of those things. Theyve created these do everything heroes in ow2. Bap was already overtuned. Then, with the addition of sojurn, ramattra, mauga (shortly before they nerfed him to the floor). The roster is just full of characters that have kits that just do EVERYTHING.
@Jaime00008
@Jaime00008 11 месяцев назад
I wanna see Mei again. 😳
@giveitarub7215
@giveitarub7215 11 месяцев назад
Don't even mind Bap that much, guess I cause he's not the most played. But as DPS player, Kiriko and Illari are legit more scary than any other DPS. I play a fair bit of Ashe and if I see a pencil thin japanese girl throwing knives at me from across the map I will lose that fight
@isactuallyark1110
@isactuallyark1110 11 месяцев назад
kiriko's main issue is her hitbox yeah, imo at least, this shit is so busted with a kit like this
@riptyurass302
@riptyurass302 11 месяцев назад
Kiriko needs a lifeweaver sized hit box to be balanced
@helheimpanda
@helheimpanda 11 месяцев назад
Kiriko's existence is an issue, Suzu is busted, Her tp is busted, her own hitbox is busted, her kunai hitbox is busted. Her ult is good and on top of that she has wall climb because you know why not? Overloaded as f
@giveitarub7215
@giveitarub7215 11 месяцев назад
@@helheimpanda Every Japanese citizen knows how to climb walls obviously
@devindavon6615
@devindavon6615 11 месяцев назад
doesn't help you got a head hitbox the size of the moon on Ashe for her to abuse.
@lcwangee
@lcwangee 11 месяцев назад
Dafran's cooldown discipline on Bap is so good.
@opiates8777
@opiates8777 11 месяцев назад
If you were good at ow1, a lot of the discipline aspects are gone, bap was in no way designed with this new support passive in mind, that makes him busted
@Skycube100
@Skycube100 11 месяцев назад
@@opiates8777 I can understand passive self-healing with Ana and Zen but Illari? Mercy? Kiriko? Moira? WifeBeater? And Bap? It's just unnecessary and outrageous, especially considering that Bap has self-healing CD same with Moira, Wifebeater, and Kiriko.
@daveadoforblesse9710
@daveadoforblesse9710 11 месяцев назад
kiri has self healing? mmmhm thats the best use of suzu for 40 heals @@Skycube100
@DyLemmaOG
@DyLemmaOG 11 месяцев назад
bap illari lmao shits impossible to lose on that
@any_user_name
@any_user_name 11 месяцев назад
6:44 SO MAD 😂
@Rickard_Hagman
@Rickard_Hagman 11 месяцев назад
I hope to see video of DAFRAN playing new sombra soon ;)
@gamzeemakara3075
@gamzeemakara3075 11 месяцев назад
Bro. My guy is just straight-up vibing. Guy plays just as causally as if it were quick play yet still rolls on either game mode. Like fr. People who tell you that you sweat in QP are clowns.
@Aihara268
@Aihara268 11 месяцев назад
Blizzard just accept it, a full rework is needed
@chrislyon2619
@chrislyon2619 11 месяцев назад
Surprise no one mention how strong brig is now. Low skill hero, with great passive healing, good duel potential, and great at peeling. Not to mention she gate keeps a lot of high skill heroes. And she pairs well with the other three cancers: Kirko/Bap/Illari
@mmehdi3437
@mmehdi3437 11 месяцев назад
i can never play brig, i die in a second
@kekorules762
@kekorules762 11 месяцев назад
"Low skill" nah bruh there's a reason she's the least played support the previous few seasons. It's not that she's not good, it's not that she's not easy to play, it's that she's hard to play well. If she was low skill, she'd have a much higher pick rate (1.21% pickrate the last 2 seasons). Her entire kit is easy (Repair is auto-aimed, Flail's aren't hard to hit, and bash is free mobility) but its how you utilize it that makes her hard to play. If you even go out of your positioning properly for a second, you are punished HARD. She's extremely strong agreed, but she isn't a low skill hero by any means.
@Bornchad-dragoncock
@Bornchad-dragoncock 11 месяцев назад
That’s the thing, brig is only powerful against dive, she has a job and she does it well. Against non dive comps she’s absolutely sucks, and in no way is she (low skill), as you have to have great positioning and gamesense to get value out of her. She isn’t disruptive at all to the games fun, she doesn’t have immo abilities or a get out of jail free card, put her against any ranged character and she will get rolled no doubt. But Kiri/Bap/Illari and maybe Ana are seriously hindering the game
@kekorules762
@kekorules762 11 месяцев назад
@@Bornchad-dragoncock Brig in my opinion is one of the MOST balanced supports, with Lucio and LW. They have their time and place. They do "fine" but aren't completely useless in other comps. Brig in dive is the best offhealer, in brawl she's decent at frontlining if you have a hard brawl tank like Rein, Ram, or Orisa, and in poke she can still function (barely) as a peeler for the dps in flanks. Also, her kit isn't annoying to play against. Brawling against her feels like a challenge and not as an annoyance. Getting killed by a Brig doesn't feel infuriating, unlike the constantly suzu tping Kiri or the heal spamming Baptiste. She feels rewarding when playing as, and against.
@chrislyon2619
@chrislyon2619 11 месяцев назад
@@kekorules762 brigs entire kit is low skill: requires little to no aim, her 4 hit death combo is back, her inspired healing AOE range is massive, and unless your positioning is terrible she’s almost impossible to kill. You literally sit behind cover, whip shot every 5 seconds, if someone with 200 ho or less gets close you shield bash swing twice and whip shot them to death. Anyone with more than 200 hp you just whip shot them across the map and reposition. And her ult can stun multiple ppl twice during its duration.
@TheSurgePhoenix
@TheSurgePhoenix 11 месяцев назад
Supports have the most impact right now by far, like the other roles don't even come close
@ecciq
@ecciq 11 месяцев назад
Support players dont realise how strong they are because the new players and people who are bad at video games usually just resort to support roles in videogames. Whenever you actually come against supports that have good game sense AND actual dps skill they are completely unstoppable without random oneshots or very good teamwork.
@ecciq
@ecciq 11 месяцев назад
You can clearly see this in mid ranks. Spectate the dps players in a mid rank then go and spectate the supports in the same game. 90% of the time the support players mechanically look 2 ranks below what they are playing at.
@maxchess6734
@maxchess6734 11 месяцев назад
​@@ecciq ima disagree... because i am a junkrat 1-trick 😂
@moleedaboi
@moleedaboi 11 месяцев назад
Having a noob support is detrimental because they have a responsibility to keep the team alive while also trying not to die, whereas dps your only job is to shoot the enemies, fundamentally speaking. Maybe it's just me but dps has always been easier, support slightly harder due to the multitasking being more demanding, and tank is just a miserable role.
@datguy250
@datguy250 11 месяцев назад
Based take
@luccatorrezanpiccin4
@luccatorrezanpiccin4 11 месяцев назад
So true (i'm a flex support player)
@darrenhamel1741
@darrenhamel1741 11 месяцев назад
¨why would you play cassidy when you can play baptiste¨ holy shit as an old cass main turned bap main i feel called out
@pyrobadger
@pyrobadger 11 месяцев назад
bap is the most cracked supp, you can never 1v1 a bap and win
@charliewilson434
@charliewilson434 11 месяцев назад
Its like you have something against using your left shift! Great gameplay Dafran. Thanks!
@any_user_name
@any_user_name 11 месяцев назад
14:17 I bet his mouse was at the end of the table 😂
@pogchamp1038
@pogchamp1038 11 месяцев назад
not CS2, but it's Dafran
@Azedo7441
@Azedo7441 11 месяцев назад
I think that zen may be the most balanced dps support because he has weakness like low healing and sustain, except for discord on tank and also lucio is a balanced dps support
@vitalysuper3193
@vitalysuper3193 11 месяцев назад
Dafran is too good for Overwatch
@allanlugo7842
@allanlugo7842 11 месяцев назад
Feels weird watching overwatch again
@wpqg
@wpqg 11 месяцев назад
dafran is just different dude💀
@RemedieX
@RemedieX 11 месяцев назад
Got to GM using nothing but Illari, Zen, and Bap. Just DPS'd my way there in 30 games (I'm a GM DPS that had NEVER played support before). Supp is stupid easy and op rn lol
@agranite9776
@agranite9776 11 месяцев назад
honestly, s1&2 ow2, support was fine. The problem was 2 fold, the dps passive and support players not adapting to the new playstyle fast enough. So support kept getting buff as they slowly took 6 seasons to get use to the new playstyle, and have powercreep the other roles when dps movements passive was removed. I'm saying this as an Ana & Zen support main. Support players were so scared dueling when OW2 was first release, so they had to get use to it.
@Mattehah
@Mattehah 11 месяцев назад
holy shit the tracking is insane
@justsatan6747
@justsatan6747 11 месяцев назад
7:56 Pure facts.
@dojo45789
@dojo45789 11 месяцев назад
The fact illari can 2 tap most characters in the game with a hitscan and not even need 2 headshots to do it or wait for full charge on her second shot is fucking ridiculous, atleast kiriko has projectiles so its more difficult to aim but she doesnt deserve the damage she has with how many escapes she has, and bap is just soldier but better
@marcoesposito2516
@marcoesposito2516 11 месяцев назад
U can't 2tap if you don't headshot twice, her headshot multiplier is like 1.5x because the enemy will remain with like 10 hp if hr doesn't get heals
@paper7blanket
@paper7blanket 11 месяцев назад
Dafran is hitting direct heal shots while jumping and headshotting enemies lol.
@lorrainegatanianhits8331
@lorrainegatanianhits8331 11 месяцев назад
I'm a support main in high masters/low GM and yes supports are way too strong. In my opinion it's mostly their offensive abilities. I like Illari, because she's high-skill (healing needs to become more skillful imo), Zen because he's very vulnerable, but Kiriko, Bap and Ana do way too much dmg. As Ana I consistently get more value if I focus on dmg and playmaking instead of healing. Playmaking potential as a support is important, but being able to 1v1 enemy dps from pretty much any position is not. Blizzard need to do something drastic, because it is getting out of hand. Edit: Zen is good right now. High-carry potential, but that's how it's supposed to be. He's extremely vulnerable still.
@blindvalkyrie9352
@blindvalkyrie9352 11 месяцев назад
I respect the Pharah player for still picking Pharah despite knowing Defran was on Bap from the start
@arviu9506
@arviu9506 11 месяцев назад
bro didnt even use shift until 3mins into the match lol
@rakanbabidan487
@rakanbabidan487 11 месяцев назад
this is the reason why lw was buffed, not cause he was bad, but other supps were busted and he couldnt keep up.
@Inigo_0
@Inigo_0 11 месяцев назад
dafran always deserves a like
@TankBeenHim
@TankBeenHim 11 месяцев назад
BAP IS HIM FR 🤣
@The64332
@The64332 11 месяцев назад
you gotta endorse first now before you cant press tab at the end of the game
@SB-ez3dw
@SB-ez3dw 11 месяцев назад
For the most part… the new Sombra has undone Support superiority. Sombra can take is all out now.
@Armageddoniton
@Armageddoniton 11 месяцев назад
is he doing something specific to get what looks like zero recoil on baps shots? I have barely touched the hero but his recoil seems way less.
@backwooddagn6888
@backwooddagn6888 11 месяцев назад
Just bumping your mouse downward a small amount when clicking will completely eliminate the recoil of his bursts if you have your mouse movement down well enough
@electrix10
@electrix10 11 месяцев назад
"I didn't bubble my teammates one time" Well, as the number one player in the world, you don't need to since your're carriying them hard.
@falseking5441
@falseking5441 11 месяцев назад
I feel like when people call the support role busted they are talking about bap, illari, and kiriko rather than the whole support roster.
@zanx8010
@zanx8010 11 месяцев назад
when you usually heal and dps over 8k and out your own team play team you can even be damage mitigator
@dzyu
@dzyu 11 месяцев назад
You can circumvent the bug and show stats if you endorse first.
@DNYLNY
@DNYLNY 11 месяцев назад
Bap was the first hero I mained when I started OW2 for the first time. He's got it all.
@DNYLNY
@DNYLNY 11 месяцев назад
And the crazy thing is most streamers had Bap at B tier for every season except the last. His stats and abilities are super high and he's the only hero that can damage and heal simultaneously without losing any dps efficiency.
@Khanh-Tran
@Khanh-Tran 11 месяцев назад
supports are too strong ❌ dafran is too strong ✔
@peepopogchamp
@peepopogchamp 11 месяцев назад
the craziest bit is bap has been like this since the start of ow2 when supports were "weak"
@Nyxtia
@Nyxtia 11 месяцев назад
No lmao, he got two damage buffs, shift buffs, two lamp buffs, an ammo buff, and the support passive.
@peepopogchamp
@peepopogchamp 11 месяцев назад
@@Nyxtia you could do this same thing on launch the only buff i remember is the imort one but if you have the patch notes id love to read them
@Nyxtia
@Nyxtia 11 месяцев назад
@@peepopogchamp ow fandom for balance history. And how do you not remember the passive being added?
@peepopogchamp
@peepopogchamp 11 месяцев назад
@@Nyxtia im not sure if you remember but the passive was there on launch
@Nyxtia
@Nyxtia 11 месяцев назад
@@peepopogchamp that's not when Ow2 started or when people complained supp was weak though? The passive buff was between alpha and beta because even owl was playing Lucio Moira. Anybody complaining supp was weak in szn 1 was a bot. The rest of those buffs were after s1 though.
@samakun3603
@samakun3603 10 месяцев назад
A good nerf for him would be decreasing his mag in my opinion. He just can shoot endlessly. Like 5 or 6 bursts and then reload he has 15 bursts as a support bro
@zwein1817
@zwein1817 11 месяцев назад
The issue isn't exactly individual support power. It's the fact that healing output is so fucking insane in general. You finally get someone down to 3 hp and in seconds they're already max hp, and that applies to the supports themselves as well, so you can't just go after the support and expect the building to crumble, since the support has its own beam of support. I've said it for years but I wish healing was only on cooldowns like in paladins or something. As a casual player it's fine just blasting away mindlessly, but once you've actually honed your skill at the game you see get so irritated at how braindead it is, heal spam 24/7 to keep people alive instead of not trying to improve at the game and take damage to begin with.
@darknightr15yzf
@darknightr15yzf 11 месяцев назад
This is cyber bulling man they have family's dafran KEKW
@akif6162
@akif6162 11 месяцев назад
Been praying for the ow vids
@digital_nex2247
@digital_nex2247 11 месяцев назад
High healing and high damage plus he can increase both with his ult and prevent deaths almost forgot about his passive easy access to high ground what were they smoking when making him lol
@loonytoon4921
@loonytoon4921 11 месяцев назад
14:06 styled on fr
@chalopsten1408
@chalopsten1408 11 месяцев назад
I love bap, he's my main but they should replace lamp, nerf his aoe healing hard and make it more single target but keep his damage but reduce his mag capacity to maybe 30 instead of 45 and also do these types of changes to every dlc support as well. Illari pylon needs to not be a thing or make it have a limited duration
@VSGotNM
@VSGotNM 11 месяцев назад
meanwhile I get focused as bap an can barely survive lmao
@ac_one_thirty5499
@ac_one_thirty5499 11 месяцев назад
Bap is a dps with 3 health bars
@juanlee337
@juanlee337 11 месяцев назад
his aim is just crazy good
@AustinWagoner
@AustinWagoner 11 месяцев назад
Bro played pharah into a dva, bap, cass, illari, 💀
@goshaponce8184
@goshaponce8184 11 месяцев назад
Is it me or he sounds like Soos from gravity falls
@kios1973
@kios1973 11 месяцев назад
yeah bap eats, theres almost point not playing dps if u compare, but as a tank found my solace in knowing winston kinda cancels out most supports, especially if they have a good ana
@InceyWincey
@InceyWincey 11 месяцев назад
When you ask if you get two tapped by the Kiriko through the window. Not at all. You got hit about 4 or 5 times. Also what did you expect? You’re peeking a window from about 10 metres away. You might as well just jump off the map if you want to die so bad. And in answer to your second question, can Zarya die? The answer is no, she was in an immortality field and being double pocketed by her supports. She literally could not die at that point.
@RyanCunningham-v7p
@RyanCunningham-v7p 11 месяцев назад
Dafrans Zarya is nuts
@baraka99
@baraka99 11 месяцев назад
Ridiculous Bap gameplay. So good.
@tturki1310
@tturki1310 11 месяцев назад
use your shift!!!
@LykanPawcio21
@LykanPawcio21 11 месяцев назад
When next part of Unranked to top 500 Mei only?
@rorykeefe8954
@rorykeefe8954 11 месяцев назад
The new support passive is OP. Being able to jump that high to head that much easier just seems broken af. No duh supports are broken if they can all do that? (Don’t worry, that’s just a joke. I’m not THAT stupid.)
@KRACHDUFE
@KRACHDUFE 11 месяцев назад
I swear to god I kill people faster with Bap than I do with Sombra or Tracer. Doesn't even feel like a nerf in damage going from Mccree to Bap smh
@sonderbain
@sonderbain 11 месяцев назад
Blizzard explaining why a support character needs to out dps the dps, outheal most the other supports, and have burst heal/immortality 🤡
@Skycube100
@Skycube100 11 месяцев назад
Well the support players community were freaking loud back in OW1 and OW2 launch so Blizz gave them what they want and here we are, so in a way support community should be blamed as well.
@JEFFTHEBOSS-si3oq
@JEFFTHEBOSS-si3oq 11 месяцев назад
there are 4 dps that have a lower dps than zen(highest dmg support) which are widow (has a one shot) hanzo (has a one shot) genji (uses combos and cooldowns) and mei ( gets value by making enemy tank cry)
@WillHuizenga
@WillHuizenga 11 месяцев назад
Used to be you had to rely on ot and flex support to stay alive. I blame this on 5v5.
@Kyra-qn3nh
@Kyra-qn3nh 11 месяцев назад
Yeah. A classic example of why I don't play anymore. Blizzard doesn't know how to balance roles :)
@silentdeath7351
@silentdeath7351 11 месяцев назад
WALKING AROUND ON THE FARM ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ht_dp0w1PzQ.html
@calebbb3103
@calebbb3103 11 месяцев назад
Bap has always been so disgusting to me. He has high dmg, high aoe heal, damage boost, immortality, mobility, and a stupid mag size to enable him even more. Oh yeah and support passive regen. So dumb
@calebbb3103
@calebbb3103 11 месяцев назад
The most unfun games I’ve had were with Baptist either on my team or the enemy team
@spaceboundmonk
@spaceboundmonk 11 месяцев назад
The other team on Coliseum deserved to lose for not swapping mercy and pharah
@AdolescentWings
@AdolescentWings 11 месяцев назад
every hero is broken if you hit your shots
@cameron8450
@cameron8450 11 месяцев назад
Thank you
@aurorasun-qs1pg
@aurorasun-qs1pg 11 месяцев назад
All Top500 on hold?
@fastsean9
@fastsean9 11 месяцев назад
Bap and illari kiri just to broken rn
@felipez3115
@felipez3115 11 месяцев назад
This game is so good.
@giantlabs
@giantlabs 11 месяцев назад
lol that pharah became useless anytime bap got above her head
@jrm371
@jrm371 11 месяцев назад
I think if the support role gets nerfed I’ll probably just stop playing. The game has become much more frustrating than fun and playing support without constantly dying to flankers when my team doesn’t back me up has kept me going.
@defeatSpace
@defeatSpace 11 месяцев назад
support is why I'm diversifying from overwatch
@beatnuts5442
@beatnuts5442 11 месяцев назад
Casino dude :(
@CamSpaghett
@CamSpaghett 11 месяцев назад
Baps been broken for ages. Most players just suck and don’t know how to use him
@youknowme2003
@youknowme2003 11 месяцев назад
its not only Dps, Tanking is not a Single bit fun anymore, theres only Risk and no reward, Try going for the Supports and they all just vanish, everyone of Them except Zen has an Free out of Jail Card every 5-10 Seconds, Jumping Zen is huge risk cuz until you are on him you literally lost 50% of your Health because of Discord and incoming dmg. Then he has his 2nd Support that gets him out. its Fucked up, Literally every Tank ult is Useless, cuz either they get grapped, Cleansed or gain Immortality.
@nnightsong
@nnightsong 11 месяцев назад
alabamastate vs switching off of pharah
@zily7866
@zily7866 11 месяцев назад
Bap has been the best support in the game since OW2 release. The fact that every single top 10 support plays bap as either their first or 2nd most played character this whole time says volumes. He might not be omega OP for your average joe, but he is the single hardest carry in the entire game. Make it make sense blizzard.
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