Because the guy in the black gi also had some skill in groundfighting and generally defended well. Both shooto and judo are grappling-based martial arts; therefore, some degree of stalemate is to be expected, particularly when the fight goes to the ground. On the other hand, both fighters had plenty of opportunities to go for chokes but avoided them for some unknown reason-- because of this, some criticism is called for.
He trained various Pro-wrestlers and MMA fighters. He also picked Hayato 'Mach' Sakurai while he was in Shooto. Apparently, this is kind of exhibition match at the early Shooto days with a famous Judo-ka. Thanks for sharing such a classic!
Shooto is a hybrid martial art and combat sport that is rooted mainly in the art of catch wrestling, which itself is a hybrid grappling art that incorporates take-downs, throws, and submission techniques from a variety of sources (mainly Asian and European grappling styles). Shooto is also rooted in many other martial arts, especially Muay Thai, where the majority of striking techniques come from.
Actually, many Judo schools do not incorporate leg locks, as these are not allowed in Judo competitions; however, many Judo sensei do know and teach leg locks anyway.
Hmmm....if that guy is shooto then I have to say their striking has really evolved. Comparing those flash spin kicks to their current ultra-methodical style is like apples and oranges.
@Mider999 No you're thinking of Shootfighting which is Bart Vale's style (he calls it that). Shooto is the oldest living MMA organization in the world. This guy is the founder of set organization. Satoru Sayama.
all you guys should check out the vid where rickson and royler spar with some judo black belts way back in 87. Both got thrown but both eventually got submitted. It was a nice display of both arts strengths.
Yeah he was just being a little too flashy. I think had he been a little more conservative going for leg kicks he would have accomplished. That's just my opinion of course.
To respond to a statement from few months ago, both Jiu-jitsu (many forms) and Judo (Kanos Jiu-Jits) both have strikes within the art. Maybe not in the sport version you all speak of, but within the art it is al there.
I realize Judo is a good compliment of a ground game in an MMA repertoire, alongside Greko-Roman wrestling and brazilian Jiu-Jutsu. What it's not, is a complete "no holds barred" (as you seemingly like to put it), full contact system. You're trying to tell me you don't practice full contact, choking, submitting or striking, but somehow these sides of the fighting will magically come to you through your mystical Judo powers...
The "judo" guy is Nishi who fought Rickson Gracie in JVT 94. He is the head coach and founder for Wajyutsu Keisyukai, school for guys like Takase and Caol Uno. The shooto guy is Sayama. This is a demonstration match for the Lumux cup (J cup) 95
Erraram no título do vídeo... O correto e Daido juku contra o judo kodokan. E não o Shiro. Todos os movimentos do lutador de branco são típicos e o faixa-preta de judô. Tanto no kuzushi quanto no kumikata.
Judo, meaning "gentle way", is a modern Japanese martial art and combat sport, that originated in Japan in the late nineteenth century. Although a fully featured martial art, judo has also developed as a sport. Judo became an Olympic sport for men in 1964 and, with the persistence of an American woman by the name of Rusty Kanokogi and many others, a sport for women as well in 1988.
Look like Sayama Satoru, a.k.a. the 1st Tiger Mask, the founder of Shooto organization. He’ve been WWF LHW champion as a Japanese, and was popular even in USA, UK (As Sammy Lee) and Mexico. He retired from Pro-wrestling at the age of 27 something, and started doing MMA. Even though he did not have long list of MMA matches in his career, he became pretty famous for his training talent. (Also, he is Sakuraba’s idol)
the important thing its the diference between a martial art and a combat sport, no matter if they have the same name, the olympic judo/the kano and real judo
to ferde: there are many sweeps in judo. because usually you are holding the arm and/or lapel if you have a good grip and it is refered to as a throw but the technique is all the same.
no, the 'triangle choke' is called 'sankaku jime' and is shown in judo videos dating back before bjj was even invented. what bjj does is focus most of it's time on the ground. it is like a triathlon athlete vs a sprinter. the sprinter is most likely better in his area of focus, but the triathlete will be better in the others.
shoot fighting sounds like a damn fun sport, however i would have to say since statisticly 90% of fights go to the ground, there is the advantage towards the Judo guy.
Only in kata? Have you trained real Judo? In my years of study not only did I learn the sport part of Judo, I also learned the striking part. Judo has a wealth of strikes that are designed to lead into a lot of different submissions and throws.
Thats def my point bjj is by far the best art to use in a 1 on 1 situation its what it was adapted for . I do judo and bjj but if i was stopped in the street and there was more then 1 I wouldnt put up a fight and just give them my money if it was 1 on 1 where i know i am safe and theres no knife or gun then its on . I love both arts but when people start talking about street fights its best to just ignore it cuz street fights are totally a different monster
@whestdragon Shooto is the oldest living MMA organization in the world. This guy is the founder of set organization Satoru Sayama. Sayama is more of a pro wrestler and striker. Shooto is not a style per say so it depends, some are more towards grappling like Erik Paul son some towards striking like Takanori Gomi.
No it was at an inhouse tourny, the guys name is robert something. 155lbs. And i wasnt trying to be negative about judo. It was awsome, the bjj guy crouched the whole match so he wouldnt get thrown, but somehow he still did... Cool. I was just showing an example of the strengths of the arts. Judo was capable of tossing and winding the guy but once on the ground the BJJer was more slick and ended up getting the submission.
ground work is an excellent form of self defense dont get me wrong its the fact of knowing if you can take it to the ground safly . i love ground work in the dojo , but on the street id rather know a good hip throw or reap to send the guy on his head so you know you can get the hell out of there .
actually, from what I understand, this match was a miscommunication. As an exhibition, both had different ideas of what the match should have been about. Nishi was going a lot harder than he should have, and didn't give Sayama enough spots to show off. Additionally, Sayama was far from used to wearing a gi.
At 50/51 seconds the word SHOOT can be seen on the back of the guy in black's jacket! The guy in white has certainly done a lot more than just Judo. His kicks at the start, and occasionally at other times during the contest, show that quite clearly.
At about the 4:00 mark, he successfully initiates some unorthodox takedowns (looks alot like Sambo here) and several leglock attempts. The fighter in the white gi defends extremely well, but he appears less accustomed to dealing with (and dealing out) leglocks.
I think you say the traditional Judo and not the actual.. Well.. I checked and asked my sensei and yes haha it's right. We can kick too but only for self-defense training (although he said he prefer Jiu-jitsu) Thank you for that answer. You've helped me to open a little bit more my eyes :P
The big guy is definitely judo and just using kicks and punches as may be required by the fight.Judo as Olympic Sport is not allowed to kick and punch but if challenged by other martial arts... it's no holds barred and deadly.
I feel that the Shooto guy defended adequately and began to exert some dominance towards the end of the match. Even then, however, the fighter in the white gi was better.
I'm not sure if the fighter in the white gi is attempting leglocks so much as defending against them. This is an area which the fighter in the black gi had a genuine advantage.
As far as I know, this is not supposed to be a full-contact fight, so except for the impractical high kicks, I don't know how one can really assess his striking ability.
couldn't agree more! how thick r sum people. nice to c there are people on here who no about ma's and possibly hav trained. we seem to be few and far between. put it on the net and people think its gospel!
there ARE leg locks in judo and there are also punches and kicks in judo. but it is not trained in free practise because it is to dangerous. they are only trained in kata (predeterminaded training)
Better yet, alot of street fights you'll be in will involve you gripping some sort of clothing. A shirt alone is sufficient enough to do many Judo throws.
its better to cross train in both judo and jj. I don't think either one is better. You still must respect both disciplines for even being on that stage and giving it a shot. RU-vid should have a filtering process so these people who don't compete don't have a say.
@judopathoftruth Where do you think Kosen Judo came from? Osaka's Handa dojo and the grappling system of Yataro Handa and "Newaza-Tanabe" Mataemon; what do you think Nihon Kenpo is but the atemi waza of Kodokan Judo? Seriously, you think I'm the one who needs to do additional research? You don't even know enough to realize your "argument" is just a sorry restating of the obvious mixed with 2 spurious assumptions.
All you "judo is >" and "BJJ is >" people are missing the point. Ive taught for many years - judo and jujitsu. Its not about the techniques you learn, its about what the techniques teach you. The techs in Judo where designed for a highly restricted sport application. But those techniques teach you how to manipulate the body in an incredible way. The enlightened fighter > than the close minded fighter - regardless of the style. Excpet TKD which is the suxorz (lol - j/k)
the grappling weakness of judo in relation to bjj is evident in this video. the judo guy doesnt even pass or mayb doesn't know to the guard properely. He makes the shoot guy look good in grappling .
It's Judo. Modified for a fight, not comp judo. You are right though, his ground game is not good. He may be holding back to conserve energy also. Not knowing what to expect from the Shooto guy
and you have to remeber when maeda did go over he was an old form judo before alot of techniqes were banned , i have no clue why people say judo isnt a good form of defense when bjj id esseintially judo but more newaza ...look up kosen judo and you see its bjj .
