dont plants have a right not to be diced up and made into salad. dont plants have feelings. shouldnt they have the right to grow and die and rot of old age.
@@deamonflowne9694 well yeah they should. But a cow eats way more plants during the period they're in a farm until they are slaughtered and processed into a steak, than a vegan human being in probably years.
Joey Carbstrong hi, i really like these type of stuffs. You did an amazing job up there. In my opinion you should start a franchise of these and make more youtube videos. (I know these are not for money. ) So you guys should spread this message world wide. Dont go towards the terrorist organizations who kill humans for fun, cause when they kill humans most of the dead are gonna be meat lovers. So it will definitely help your goal( one non vegan dead will help thousands of animals, right?). After accomplishing your goal with human, go with your mission to each and every forest and kill all the carnivores animals including lion, tiger, cheetah, panther, hyena, leopard, mosquito, cat, dog, lizard, cockroach, fox, wolves, bear, raccoon, coatis, wolverine, minks etc. that will help millions of animals to grow up. Go ahead buddy, i have a kilo beef to bbq tonight 👙👙👙
@@heartlessgaming8270 not at all & in debating terms the activist annihilated the farmer hence the farmers reluctant submission. I'm not giving up my cheese or meat though!
@@chanaii5178 yeah it's just about priorities, like if you are gonna defend a cow why don't you go defend something more important. Like there are people that lives in worse conditions than the cow itself.
@@boomboom7265 that is so true. In my country being vegan is a luxury. It's an expensive lifestyle. I think it's a waste of money when you could be helping small businesses and families in villages who farm to survive...even then, they still can't afford basic stuff like a septic toilets and clean water
I can say if this happens in the states, one side will be screaming at the top of their lungs. Plus they wouldn't even let the man talk. At least this vegan person kept the conversation going. They were both condescending to each other.
vegans, saving earth, more like destroying earth cuz you cant have everything as plant eaters, so theres where meat eaters come. to control the herbivore population
To be honest, as a meat eater. I literally have no argument against vegans, because it seems like i can't justify eating meat and actually agree with vegans.
@@bkaugustprod.w2geezy327 Height is determined by DNA up to an 80% (medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/traits/height/) The nutrients that are found in meat are nutrients that were before in plants. Animals eat the plants and get nutrients from them.
The bags have to have air in them so they dont get destroyed while they are being shipped. The air in the bags has nitrogen in it to keep the chips fresh and to prevent oxidation.
@@johnmiller7612 exactly how humans aren’t moral people because we do everything immoral. Just because we have the ability to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do
Hate to break it to you, but they actually do that for a reason, which is to not crush all the chips when they get packed. I don't like it, but I also don't like my chips being crushed all the time. Pringles knows what they're doing, but I don't know why other companies are not following what Pringles does with the cans.
If we lived in a perfect world railway companies would start to use hydrogen fired steam locomotives. Imagine going to London on a train hauled by a hydrogen fired king class locomotive or doing on the Flying Scotsman hauled by a hydrogen-burning version of the Flying Scotsman steam locomotive.
@@1dood and easy for you to say when you're not the ones getting r*ped into giving birth to produce milk, have ur child stolen from u and ur body used for meat and leather 🤡 You can put yourself in that stupid man's shoes so easily, but when it comes to those animals who are the real victims here, its hard for you!
@@iamaghost7971 No you cannot...A perfect world is in itself imperfect, due to the impossibility of it. Only Children and the immature think in terms of things like perfection. It is the calling card of dreamers, and the misguided, and extremists...convinced what they believe is right. The older I get, the more I learn, the more I realise there are many truths and there are many answers, and often several at once. People who crave perfection, are singularly righteous tyrants who would inflict grevious pain in their percieved righteousness.
@@jaiskreno Anything to survive, i don't get it why would these awfull people want to shut down those dairy farms, smh they are shitting on something that someone built with their own blood and sweat we have a little house with pig's and we kill them so we don't need to buy the expensive meat which is probably filled with pills and substances.. so please stop trying to cut off our food, and no we don't want that weird vegan shit like i tried it its disguising..
Why not quote the next sentence - the part he was really getting at instead of picking out a few words from it's larger meaning and context? You're only decieving yourself
@@HowardWimshurstAs long as humans are on earth there will be no such thing as a "perfect" world. Humans sin, that should be the problem we fix, not eating trees and pine cones.
@@RCDS777 and your arguments is? Humans sin so why not continuing contributing to the misery of other animals because of our sins? Dude straighten out yourself
What? The vegan dude barely let the farmer talk and definitely didn't listen to any counter-arguments like whole communities being out of jobs, animals actually enjoying their lives on the farms (they wouldn't have been born without farmers in the first place), or the inability to have environmentally friendly agriculture without farm animals. We must've watched a different video, lol
Yeah, he did not agree with him yes, you got that fact right, anybody can see that, but what I'm saying is that he did not try to tell over him and just get pissed off, so you must of seen a different comment, lol
@@YamiKisara *"he vegan dude barely let the farmer talk"* It was pretty even. But when some of the meat guy's arguments are weak as, "All the bad stuff is okay because I'm not the one suffering" Not sure how you can say the vegan didn't let the livestock talk when everything the vegan said was a short counter argument to the livestock guy's facile points. *"like whole communities being out of jobs"* They can transition to actually farming instead of slaughtering and destroying the environment. These people could then not work in biohazards and not get ptsd from abusing animals. *"animals actually enjoying their lives on the farms"* Nice how meat eaters pretend we do live in a "perfect world" when rationalizing their choices. The vast majority of the meat people consume in developed countries comes from hellish factory farms. And the meat not produced on factory farms is actually _less_ sustainable since it takes so much longer for animals to mature. Even if 100% lived well, is it okay to murder a human once they reach a certain weight just because they were treated okay earlier? *"they wouldn't have been born without farmers in the first place"* I guess that's the same thing people tell themselves when they beat and rape their children. But these animals are also bred to a point where they're handicapped like sheep who need to be sheered or their bodies fall apart like chickens with brittle bones because they lay 300+ eggs a year versus 10 in wild foul. *"the inability to have environmentally friendly agriculture without farm animals"* Not true. There are regenerative farms that only use compost instead of animal fertilizers. The soil is so healthy that compost is only added once every few years.
@@richardlinares6314 Plants will never replace meat. They did a study on "Becoming Vegan" and 75% of males said they would rather die then give up meat.
@@YamiKisara those weren't arguments though. saying if farmers aren't allowed to kill animals they will be out of jobs is like saying if murder is illegal contract murderers will be out of jobs. there is no human right to employment and life is more important than making money. but apart from that the farmers aren't forced to be without a job, they can just find another one. about the second "argument" it is not an argument but just a false claim. cows do not enjoy being artificially inseminated while having a mans fist up their rectum, they equally do not enjoy having their babies taken away from them right after giving birth to them. the farmer said cows enjoy being milked. of course they do, it litterally causes them physical pain if they're not milked but who would that milk go to normally? their calfs. an if you were to give a cow the choice between lettg their own child suck out their milk or a machine, they will choose their child 10/10 times.
Absolutely. If we were living in a perfect world those cows would never have lived, or for the sake of argument let's say it did. It would spend it's life constantly braving the elements struggling to live in the wild till it eventually got old and/or sick then eventually unable to keep up with the heard, then it would languish for days collapsed on the ground until it succumbed to it's illness or starve to death, or if it's lucky torn apart by wild predators... bet that cow IF IT HAD THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO DO SO would've rather had been raised on a farm! ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THEIR OWN MORTALITY! LOLS!
@@starcultiniser So you would be ok if someone stabbed a dog because even though it feels similar emotions to you and is in a similar state of awareness its not completely the same ?
It’s choice is to have a fair chance at life by being able to escape. You can’t compare those things We as humans have morality (some of us at least) and we can tell when something is right or wrong. That’s what sets us apart from other animals, they act on instinct
You can compare those things. Humans ARE animals. We are on top of the food chain. It's the same thing as a wolf eating a lamb. Humans having morality is irrelevant. The only reason why you have the luxury of debating such trivialities is because we are a first world society and do not have a need for primal survival. This due to our food being readily available due to FARMING.... Now if you were in a third world society food isn't as readily available, and you will most likely hunt and forge for your food. I'm sorry to pop your ideological bubble but that's how the world really works. Eat or be eaten is the natural order of things.
@@allseeinghamster6001wolfs rape their own kinds, tigers lions do the same. They murder rape and cannabalise , that's the morals you stand behind when saying animals do that why shouldn't we
Top of the food chain? Walk through a lion's den and then tell me you're on the top of the food chain mate Also you have zero characteristics of an animal You do not have paws you do not have claws and you do not have fangs
@@ryanmichaelangelofavale5863primitive humans gave caused the extinction of cave lions, far bigger than modern day lions, during the ice age, when all we had were spears and rocks.
We live in a world where 8B people can effort a balanced and a healthy vegan diet. How wonderful is this world 😇. And the mass production farmlands are saving the planet by not having organic wastes, not killing ground animals, not destroying natural habitat and ecosystem of that place. I'm so glad that nature and humans can finally co-exist together 😇
@@SSS-rd3wr that's just wrong a lot of wilderness gets destroyed for animal farming actually. Not just for how much space those animals need but actually mainly for the amount of food those animals need. Meat production is actually a big part of the destruction of the rain forest. I recommend watching cowspiracy if you wanna learn more about this it's an amazing documentary not just for the things it learns you but also how entertaining it stays throughout the entire thing with how much deeper and deeper the rabit hole keeps going.
@tek O rumours are, that even young people struggle to find a job sometimes, but if they really want a job, they'll find one. Rumours also say, that you can make money off farming plants (but please don't tell anybody - it's my secret plan)
Just one? are you nuts? it's almost like drinking gallons of absinthe =P This comment section is so riddled with shit and puss, it's just like the milk which dairy fairies drink every day. For calcium and strong bones.
@@Johny40Se7en I think he was referring to the Vegans who are against animal cruelty, but have no problem with killing millions of rodents and insects, and displacing hundreds of millions of animals from their homes just to grow enough food to feed a population of 6 billion people.
@@elcamp3 We already grow enough food to feed 15 billion people. Not killing animals will actually let us grow LESS food, thereby returning a lot of land back to nature that can get naturally reclaimed by forests.
@@elcamp3 ohhh... Lest feed those to the people we are already killing them... We might anger them if they found out about it no body count means no evidence this is our next step to world domination. But we might actually need to eat those in the future we might as well start early...
"Where's the cows choice in all of this"....funny you should ask. I give all my cows a choice before going to the big house. I tell them, "if anyone of you want to take a trip to the slaughterhouse and get cut into pieces, eat some of the hay i just put out. If you want to stay here, don't eat any hay."... I've never had a cow choose to stay on the farm. 🤷
fax, most people nowadays would just repeat the same thing over and over even if it’s nonsense because people are retarded so it’s nice to see an actual well thought out argument for once
why ? the abuse enabler won't change his midn anyways so no point in being civil. the animals being murdered and tortured right this moment do not care for civil discourse they want to not be killed and hurt and live in fear. . .
What is this comment section hahahah, the best we can do is ethical farming and even that is quite hard to accomplish at least world wide. If you don't like the reality of life then I wish you good luck. Oh and when you're being robbed at gun point by another human, try talking to them about compassion and morals...
Yeah before we existed other creatures used to help each other and don't attack or eat weaker and smaller animals until we human created in this world and then animals begin to prey on each other 😢 Dude the world was always cruel and strong creatures take advantage on the weaker ones before and after the creation of human🤷♀️
UK BIOBANK STUDY: Looked at 300 people following a low carbohydrate (keto) diet and compared them to 1200 people on a standard diet. It concluded that the risk of having a heart attack, peripheral artery disease, and stroke was double that of those following the standard diet. Other things to note on a keto diet include: high cholesterol, constipation, and a smelly breath.
@@yangtse55 It is awful. I tried the diet decades ago. The brain needs sugar. Most cannot taste sugar, only primates, apes and humans. Human milk is mostly sugar, not fat and protein.
"We don't live in a perfect world mate" "Yes we do!" ..we're really not going to get anywhere in a conversation if someone thinks we live in a perfect world
Lol damn vegans thinking plant based is the way to go... have they ever stopped to also think they destroy the planet as well? They pay for crop area that can destroy habitats and water affinity crops like soybeans and almonds... .... I mean yea we definitely live in a perfect world right?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@imagna_kuroshiro7989 well i'm meat eating human, but bruh, crops destroying habitats, really ? If you really care to make an argument, first lookup the amount of 1. Deforestation done in the name of raising animals 2. Produce grown to feed animals 3. Water consumed for raising animals. The amount of produce the world makes currently is more than enough to feed three meals to every living soul, but guess what much more of it is produced to feed animals that end up on your plate, leaving one third of world population malnourished.
@@sourabhshetty2200 I’m almost certain people know all this deep down, indoctrination is a strong tool; hope you go vegan in the near future, you seem to know your stuff ✌️🌱
Lol. Only vegans go around preaching to others about what they should eat! Bloody hilarious, it’s such an impressive waste of their time you’d have to be a lunatic that just loves conflict.
I'm not vegan but you have to admit what he says makes sense. You wouldn't kill and eat a dog, so why do it to a cow? P. S. I'm actually a chef and love meat, fish and dairy. But I can see this guy's point.
By his logic a sheep can politely say "no" to the wolf thats trying to brutally strangle it, the wolf cant cut its oxygen without the sheeps permission right guys?
You missed the point, the job isn't to stop inflicting pain completely and entirely, it's to mitigate pain and reduce it substantially, albeit there will be pain in an ecosystem. And by the way, the suffering we inflict upon these animals is way worse than when they're in the wild getting hunted down, and the numbers and statistics of their deaths in farms are way more, your logic is fallacious.
@@emailkolar4517 these people are saying that the farmer cant kill the sheep without its permission, literally, it makes no sense really, i dont think the farmer is sick enough to inflict pain on it rather than just cutting the throat so it dies faster, the point is to inflict as little pain as possible but still get the wanted product from the animal
The US agriculture department is just NOT good, if it was good it would do something to stop forever meatpacking/food service business cruelty against farm animals.
@@antonego8594 the bests are still johnny and dukey from johnny test, juicy dog and child meat for better experience use them as a meat pie ;) meat tha best btw
@@Benjamin-hp8mw Meat eating in itself is not wrong. We are built to eat meat, we're omnivores. The problem is how the industry treats the animals. My family hunts our own meat to avoid contributing to it. This is okay in my book because I know the animal lived a happy life the way it was meant to, in the wild. Plus, we know none of the meat goes to waste and that its death was painless. We kill far less animals too, considering that a good sized buck lasts over a month. So yeah. I think meat eating is ok as long as you're not endorsing the industry. Sorry for sloppy writing, I am commenting this from my phone lol
@@kayleighwybert4238 I agree but that isn’t scaleable how many people can hunt not a lot how many meat eaters are there the wild would be empty in a weekend and the meat industry aren’t going to start treating animals better Vegan is scaleable and we can survive on both I think we are in the middle of meat and vegetables all tho we can survive on just vegetables where as meat you would develop scurvy not knocking meat it’s just not got in the right way
@Blue Days but you arent a doctor, you got that info from google. We have molars to chew meat, if we were plant based we would have the teeth of a giraffe
@@domenikvalci7743 indeed and that's why people shouldn't have pets because all those animals were separated from their parents and sold out to you. So you should get rid of all your pets.
@@vighneshnayak270 there is no way of actually proving that. Some may do that for sure(vegan and non vegans both) but it doesn't mean that no vegan ever buys pets from breeders. Nice try though.
1:00 "At that moment I remembered that I'd witnessed this scene before time and time again It's always been unfolding before me. But...I turned a blind eye to it. That's right this world is cruel" -Mikasa Ackerman-
@@TavaiNT that's quite a good example. We should start doing this on mars instead. That place is already too cold so it wouldn't be too much of a problem to heat it up
Some find all kind of excuses to justify they eat meat, perhaps they eat meat because they are not informed how the food industry, meatpacking and the agriculture department treat and allow farm animals to be treated before and during the slaughter, if some of the meat eaters just knew how horrible is what animals live perhaps they would understand that when they eat animal's flesh what they are putting inside themselves is the suffering of animals.
You are absolutely right. But if we eat animals, we actually eat more plants, because we have to feed the animals. So if you feel sorry for the plants: go vegan! :)
@@randomearthling5214 what crack are you smoking if we eat animals we are not eating more plants. If we just ate plants we would eat more because animals would still eat plants.
@@manfridchicken1263 We are. See, we have to "kill" plants. Then we feed them to the animals. Then we kill the animals. Instead we could directly "kill" the plants and eat them. We need 17 kg of plants to produce one kg of meat.
@@rahulhalder8475 how is he angry? Both of them are being mildly passive aggressive, but nothing above what a normal debate constitutes, do you have eyes and ears?
@@rahulhalder8475 this single clip doesn’t represent all of his work, even if he got genuinely mad and shouted, people make mistakes; we see celebrities called up for 10 year old Tweets, one little thing doesn’t define someone 😛
A bit off-topic but thanks for your reply. All that I have to say to you is watch out for the reactions from your meat-eating habits. Constipation, and also internal bleeding. Take care!
Enjoy all that unfermented soy... you know the stuff that contains isoflavones which act as phytoestrogens (plant estrogens). The same stuff that has been linked to increased oestrogen levels in males which leads to reduced testosterone levels, loss of sex drive, erectile dysfunction and also sees levels of blood DHEA and DHT levels plummet significantly. Animal studies also linked the isoflavones in soy to breast cancer. The correlation between increased breast cancer in men and an increase in unfermented soy consumption is shocking to say the least... The truth is we need a balanced diet which includes meat, admittedly in lower volumes, but to say we can stop eating meat altogether is not realistic at present.
No matter how I feel about it, I respect the hell out of these two gentlemen. They're both making their points and they're not resorting to just insulting each other. To be honest I'm not sure I could hold it together like either of these guys. And special props to the farmer for ending the debate and moving on once he was done.
@@4120306 we became omnivores for a reason guys. Sure we might evolve to be herbivores but that doesn't mean we wont need other animals. Especially calcium. Heck herbivores today do it. I think our perfect world just needs acceptance. Look at some meat factories today, they have gotten alot more humane the only thing that considered bad is "killing".
BBgun gaming I’d rather not consume the dead body of a once living breathing sentient and suffering animal but if you want to more power to you you’ll be the one getting heart disease or cancer 👎🏻
It is disappointing to say the least the kind of agriculture department US has that does NOT protect farm animals of the cruelty of meatpacking/food industry.
We can’t have a perfect world because we all want different things (edit: I’m not a socialist or fascist, I am also not a vegan although I don’t eat that much because it doesn’t taste that good to me.)
@@crazyshocker1095 Its overly simplistic, because when going into intricacy becomes clearly idealistic. Ex vegan for nearly 6 years ended it 5 months ago, fish cheese and eggs incorporated back and feeling healthier than ever!!!!
RoweHowe I am not saying that being vegan is simple, i am not vegan myself i am vegetarian. But the idea is simple: It is not fair that we kill innocent animals in our rich society when we know we can definitely live without eating meat, and that they are sensible. So good for you if you fell good physically but feeling good morally is even better.
@@kingdaleclarke the situation is not as simple as your mind makes it out to be. The human race is growing at ridiculous rates and the planet is warming. Do you know the biggest contributor to the warming? Animal agriculture. That's just one of the issues. This leads to deforestation, habit loss and extinction to certain species. We are vermin when we just consume without thought. I suppose you feel capitalism is fine too. Take whatever you want and sell it until there is nothing left. Even fossil fuel companies acknowledge there is a issue
@@evanmiller2591 better to try than give up. If you was in Nazi Germany, would you give people up or would you stand the fuck up? You may be the minority but you have a choice.
American: "can I kill you?" German "nein bitte lass das" American "Well I can't understand you soo it must me ethical! :)" The Cow doesn't want to die, you see that clearly in emotions and how they run away and how they Cry for their Baby's
@@jean7464 Does that apply for cockroaches as well? because I don't see any vegan activists fighting for cockroaches lives! is it because cows are cute and cockroaches are not?
@@hamadx9860 yes absolutely! At least for me. Cockroaches can feel pain and they don't want to die. It's true, insects doesn't get many attention sadly, but Vegans don't eat Honey normally, with is because of Bees that get killed, pregnated, and the queen's get their Wings cut and so on. So Insects also matter! Every living thing has a right to live, even a tiny cockroach. I for myself am extremely scared if them, I have a really bad phobia and so on. Before I was vegan and before I thought about the whole topic I would just let my parents kill them because I was so scared, but the more I think about it the more I see that this tiny animals are also living and feeling creatures and therefore they have a right to live. It's not their fault that I am scared of them or that we think they are ugly. Edit: I do think that many people actually think the way you said, like. Cows are cute, insects are not. But in my opinion that's not the right way, we can't just say that something is worth less because we don't like it. Those animals and insects are not objects. (I don't say you said it, I try to explain my point. I'm not a native speaker so it may come across wrong. I don't want to be mean or Assume anything about you)
@@jean7464 shut ur vegan ass up, y'all think ppl like u encourage us to eat less meat, instead u encourage us to eat more meat, just stop us BS and eat a damn steak
The name of the video really confused people. Don't u realize that the vegan in this video is the channel owner? That's why the like/dislike ratio is how it is. Some like it for the tittle and some dislike because of the owner, or the other way around.
willshady100 nah it’s cus meat lovers click on it to watch vegans get owned, get sucked in to watch it, only for the farmer to be an idiot and hopefully open people’s minds that meat is wrong
This world isn’t perfect Marc. Have you encountered problems in your life? Have you ever cried? If yes then you live in a current world where it isnt perfect. Otherwise we need not worry
@@sM-to8ni well I am not sure that's the case . Being vegan is good for weight loss 📉. But to interfere with other businesses in meat industry & these same people are Go green radical nut jobs & 70% commies. So ya countries who wants to see the fall of western nations loves it . I mean look at non western nations there are no problems 😊 like these .
Vegan is an asian i think on a missionary business to promote his countries vegetables, just like dome adian countries beat up people eating non vegetarian food
I mean the farmer didn't even try to counter any of the criticisms given by the vegan. It wasn't really a conversation so much as the farmer stating fallacies and leaving? Just because they didn't fight doesn't mean it was a commendable and constructive debate.
@@RoseKR He countered that the animals aren't stressed and they're treated well, not abused. I agree he had no defense for killing the animals, though.
@@RoseKR He didn't need to, the point of the argument was enslaving and mainly abusing the animals. ill just state off the bat, cows and other barn animals would have a much worse life in the wild than in the protection of a barn where they eventually get slaughtered yes. But the cows and other animals have a happy full life until the end, regardless if the animal is "enslaved" or not. We give them a happy life in the modern world until their end Even if its not a Full life it was a happy one, in return they supply us with meat and other product, as is the demand of the Far from perfect and Never will be perfect world. Life is cruel and even if we didn't cage, kill and butcher them, the cows and other barn animals, would suffer, be hunted and killed by predators and other animals in the wild. they just look at, "oh you kill the animal in the end, that's abuse!" and don't look at anything else. it's completely pointless to debate or argue with them. the end. First time talking about it, and this will be my only comment on this subject. have a nice rest of your day whoever reads this. ^^
@@phoahseilah I'm afraid there's a number of misunderstandings and logical fallacies in your arguments. Let's list them for clarity: 1. "Animals live worse in the wild" It doesn't matter how bad *somewhere else* is - that doesn't justify your current actions here. Sure jews would have a worse time in nazi germany than in prison, does that mean its logically a moral act to imprison people for being jews? Clearly not, so this logic doesn't hold up. Just because someone's current conditions aren't the worst possible doesn't make those conditions ok. 2. "The cows are happy until death" This sidesteps the entire issue surrounding their torturous death but even if we grant you it, all dairy cows must be forcefully impregnated by farmers to get them to produce milk, and their babies are taken away from them hours after birth and the cows mourn for their lost kids. If that is happy to you then I don't know what kind of life you are living. Additionally, they are given growth hormones to make them more profitable which cause them a number of health problems and pain during their short time alive. It is anything but happy. 3. "Life is cruel" This is not a justification to do a different, also cruel, action. Again, just because nazis would treat jews worse than the prison system - this obviously doesn't justify imprisoning jews for being jews. 4. "You only look at the abuse in their death instead of their entire life" There are 2 majors issues in this argument: A) You are again trying to just ignore the torturous death they undergo as if it doesn't exist. B) You are completely neglecting all of the pain and abuse they go through during their lives. Especially when 99% of meat in america comes from factory farming, it is abuse the entire time. You clearly haven't discussed these issues with any vegans before watching this short video so I don't blame you for not knowing about it, but ignorance only holds when you are unaware. I have now made you aware of the reality of this industry so you cannot claim to not know of it's abuse. It's there and you can find out more about it online.
@Senthuuran please stop carnists are normal people, i'm vegan myself but we wont change anything if agressive vegans keep calling others murders, these people grew up with carnist diets that is the only thing they know and refuse to learn, veganism has no sense to them
Lion "Hey mate is it alright if I make you a bite to eat" Antilope "No I do not consent thank you very much" Lion "I love it when you play hard to get"
Those so called" first world countries" in reality are NOT first world countries if they allow the meatpacking business do the horrible things it does against farm animals, they may say they are but there is NO morals there, empty words.
I don't think the vegan cares as much about the animals as he does that he's perceived by others as a morally righteous person. I don't think conversations like this you should be trying to win, or shut the other person down because they're wrong. If you want them to actually change, then you'd suck up your damn ego and listen to what he was saying and give him a real reason that being a vegan is better for HIM! All this stuff just feels so false, it's the vegan jerking himself off in front of his fans, trying to prove that he's a better person than the farmer. You're never going to change someone's mind if you're talking down to them.
sidefringespartan agreed especially with the phrase "that's all you know (refering to farming)". He clearly looks down upon farmers as farming is "all they know"
I do think the vegan cares about animals more than the farmer. Saying that animals are food, " we are not them" is just a stupid argument that any 3 year old could come up with. You do realize people eat meat because it tastes good, not because they need it as humans. Why would we kill if we dont need to?
Simple cordial conversation. I think both got their points across but have simply come to a stalemate. Understandable honestly. No violence = greater understanding.
There's NOTHING "cordial" about making threats to someone about trying to put one out of a job. The vegan activists are almost as bad as the trans-activists. Only THEIR agenda matters. It's like a cult mindset.
Violence only applies to humans. To say it applies to cows, by law, can be used to argue any non human entity. One could feasibly be arrested for setting mouse traps. We are the apex predators of this planet, i ENCOURAGE vegans to keep trying, but you aren’t getting anywhere. We will hunt the forests dry if you take our farms. You can never protest a continent. Its that simple.
I know farmers and seen how much care those animals get, both from vets and the people on the farm. They work 16 hour days making sure their animals are cared for.
I wish all this care you mentioned means do NOT slaughter those farm animals eventually because those animals deserve to live, they deserve compassion.
for what reason? exploitation. Often resulting in the death of the animal. Stock farmers are human parasites. They are not symbiotic organisms.They could be, but only if there is a dollar in it. Farmers are liked only by farmers or those in the pay of Big Ag. Thinking people have to keep a close eye on them. Outlaw muelsing, outlaw live export. These come from thinking people in defiance of farmers. We see the true character of Aussie Farmers in their politicians. Hello Barnaby.
We humans are considered by most the only beings that "think" if that is the case we do NOT have the excuse that lions and other animals have to kill to eat since they do because of their instinct.
Addythebeast haha. The classic im a bitch and I have a daddy issue so I'm gonna cry plants have life and hide my manliness behind the gun and bang on the door like a little girl. Lolz.
@@AngelMorales-qn8bf that's what the early men thought when cannabilasm was rampant. then we learn it was not essential for survival and moved on. it's time to do the same with meat.
God doesn’t want us to eat his animals he said, don’t eat the animals, the animals have feelings like animals …like a animal is a beautiful creature , they’re not for Food. God didn’t put them on this for Food he did not. Animals are like children they still miss their their own when you take a number from separate and they got feelings. Can’t you understand this animals have feelings
@@SomeLonelyShmuck Of all of the types of alcohol I've ever drank, the closest I've ever had to a hangover was here recently when I got almost blacked out (probably had a minor case of alcohol poisoning) drunk off of Everclear and the next day, I was still feeling "drunk" but I was still able to walk like I was completely sober, think like I was completely sober, etc. and it just felt like I'd just woke up from sleeping like 18 hours with a regular 8 hour sleep schedule behind it.
The farmer is completely screwing with you, Joey. He's not taking any of your bait and he seems to know that he's on camera. His performance was fantastic.
The older generation are extremely stubborn. Spoke to a few I know, very stubborn despite suffering from serious health issues. On the positive side, I'm happy that the younger generation (if not all) are more open minded and have more sympathy for animals.
The only difference is, normal people don't care about vegan's choices, and we are not trying to force them to eat meat. They are the ones who bother normal people, so of course we will fight back
I'm going vegan for health reasons mainly. If humans are meant to eat meat why don't we have the sharp teeth of other meat eaters? Why do we have to cook our meat, and we don't chase our prey and bite into their flesh while they live, like other carnivores/omnivores? People started eating animals (and other humans) due to starvation but we're not starving anymore. But I agree with non-vegans who pointed out animals are violent with each other. I don't think farmers are causing MORE violence than is natural already.
It seems to me you made good points since as you indicated, we humans do NOT have the qualities that other animals have such as leons for example, to eat meat.
@acfollowjcor318 our intestines can digest meat pretty well, humans don't hunt with their teeth, hence why it's flat, and we do have canines, but they became smaller do to oral language.
You can't turn land into soil with chemicals. This is what is happening to the planet now the animals are being removed. The soil is turning to sand. The life in the soil is being killed off and it's washing into the rivers and streams, eventually into the seas which is now killing fish. This is the fault of big business and religion that believe animals should be saved.
@@toni4729 on the contrary the livestock industry with the billions of animals reared for food and dairy are a major cause of pollution in rivers and ecosystems. No animals are being saved and in fact meat consumption has been on an upward curve for decades.
Good on him for standing up for the honest dairy farmers of Victoria! Seriously mate you have no understanding of agriculture, or the Australian economy. Animal husbandry is essential to many communities around Australia and no we can't just substitute it all with plant agriculture. EVERY farmer knows that minimising livestock stress is essential and in the farms best interest for maintaining production. Are you also going to quit cotton, palm oil, and any product generated from fossil fuels to save animals as well? We need more blokes like him running the country!
@Elfoxity 1. You have any CREDIBLE sources for that statement? 2. This is an invalid argument. World poverty is FAR more than just meat and dairy industry. The two are hardly intertwined with each other. 3. Do you have personal bias that would make you say such an imbecilic thing? (I don't expect you to be honest with that).
It’s almost like when you put your horse out to pasture onto lush grass and they’re loving it but you’re risking them getting laminitis and it being a death sentence for them 👍
