I wouldn't have backed Bobby either. I agree with JR! Sue Ellen was wrong for talking about JR the way she did in front of his parents. No matter how long you're married, you don't speak about your spouse negatively in their family (especially their parents).
@@lawrencethompson1875 a normal person isn’t jealous of their younger siblings, treats them like their enemy and sets them up for failure. So in regards to JR and family, family means absolutely nothing to him. He chose greed and power over his family. Let’s not forget how many times JR has spoken negatively about Sue Ellen in front her mother, his parents, their son, their family, their friends and their employees.
JR's determination to run Gary off of Southfork was completely excessive. Gary was closest with Ellie and never expressed any interest in the oil business. I certainly understood why JR felt threatened by Bobby, who was the apple of his father's eye, assertive and unintimidated by his older brother.
In the S9 opener, while strolling SF with Clayton, Ellie provides insight about Jr and his relationship with his brothers.....Jr was Jock's 1st born son n from the moment Jr cld walk/talk, he n Jock became inseparable, 7 years later, Gary came along, 3 yrs after, Bobby......Jr always resented sharing Jock's attention after having him all to himself for such a long time...Bobby was always Jock' fav (Bobby knew it, which is why challenged Jock more) , While, Gary was Ellie's fav, Jr became the odd child out, which made him even more resentful toward his brothers.....Jock had no tolerance for weakness in any of son's.....When Jr ran Gary to the bottle n eventually off SF, Jock viewed him as weak n wrote him off.
@@tak-475Stay with me here. During WW2 Jock had an affair w/ a married army nurse named Margaret Hunter. Ray came to Southfork as a teenager w/ a note from Margaret begging Jock to help her son out b/c she was dying. His father ran out on the family years prior.. Fast forward to 1980 (3rd season I think). Ray's broke father came to Dallas and showed Jock Margaret's diary, in which she revealed that Jock rather than her husband was Ray's real father. He accepted it and told Ray he was proud to be his Dad. Krebbs was between JR and Bobby in age.
Jock wanted to get Gary in the Oil business, but Gary refused, wanting to work at Southfork instead, but it was J.R.'s constant nagging and pushing buttons that drove him away. His drinking was because of J.R., Sue Ellen too, except Sue Ellen was stronger than Gary. Jock not knowing how and what, that led to Gary moving is also why Jock didn't like Gary doesn't help matters. Had Jock knew what J.R. was doing to both Gary and Valene, he would've let Gary and Valene to stay and throw J.R. out of Southfork and most importantly thrown him out of the state of Texas.
J.R. was a shy kid. Then Gary was born and Miss Ellie had to watch after him, leaving J.R. with Jock ( who was apparently a hardass when they were kids). Jock raised J.R. in his own image. It’s all in the first three seasons. J.R. hated Gary for taking his mom away.
I loved when Val and J.R, would have scenes together. When he showed up in the second episode of Knots, he is sitting in the livingroom and had her making him something eat and drink. He says something like " This house is so nice, especially since Mamas making the mortgage payments for you".....LOL
In reality, Miss Ellie gave it to them as a "Gift". Bobby ran a Construction firm at the time, and one of the Houses that his crew built was the one that Gary & Val would eventually live in. At least they knew how to have a Life outside Southfork, Bobby & JR never did. I think that if each of them had their own Houses like in the Old School Episodes, things would have been different.
Also, Valene knew JR was out to "get" Gary since he never had a "Head" for Business from Day One. He couldn't even manage Southfork properly before Ray Krebbs took over and Ray himself could have told Gary "No matter how hard I worked, JR & Bobby never let me forget that I was the "Hired Help" back in the day even taking Lucy and picking her up from School which resulted in me losing at least Two Hours of work a day that I would later have to make up for.
This was the episode right before J.R. gets shot. In this one episode alone, you see how so many had reason to want to bring J.R. harm -- Sue Ellen, Bobby, Pam, even Miss Ellie. He was causing everybody misery!
Pam was not threatened by J.R. at the time with her mind focused on locating her mother to possibly be alive somewhere. Bobby was just mad over J.R. playing dirty to screw over anyone in business for Jock to back it up.
All the above ppl listed couldn't be a suspect in his shooting except Sue Ellen she's the only one could act on that crime among other suspects in Dallas.
I cant even stand to be in the same room with my Mom and mother in law for more than 30 minutes. Can't imagine living under the same roof as them and my brother! LOL
Yes but this was when she was pregnant with John Ross. Then she's indirectly responsible for Mickey being Paralyzed and she never owned up to what she did.
@@J_Ru31352 You're Right. Isn't it amazing that Jim Davis is known more for playing "Jock Ewing" than any other roles. Kind of like Nancy Marchand (RIP) who although played Clara in the Teleplay Production of Playhouse 90's Marty in the 1950's then did Another World The Soap Opera then Lou Grant will always be known as Livia Soprano.
@@laminage yeah, the older any of them got to remain acting in character roles until reaching a big break on highly acclaimed hit series passing away off it.
What's ironic is that years later - when Sue Ellen hit rock bottom and ended up on Skid Row with DT's - Miss Ellie went off on him and DEMANDED he put her in a sanitarium to save her life. JR was actually hesitant and told her how Sue Ellen would never agree to it. But back in the day he had no problem dropping her off there.
True by Dallas but privately when JR aka Larry Hagman was at live,they both were best friends with Bobby(Patrik Duffy)... So,Sue Ellen was poor there and a heavy alcoholic but not later on,she was stronger than JR!
If you speak negatively of your spouse in front of their parents, you deserve whatever comes your way! I don't care how long you're married, you don't do that. That's Wrong On All Levels!
PrincessA He committed himself to a Remake of Little Women by Louisa May Alcott. He also was in a "Potential" Spinoff about life at a Military Academy that starred Jimmy Baio (Scott's Cousin) but it didn't take off. He would have been perfect on a Soap Opera like One Life To Live as a Blue Collar Guy.
Bobby would never have approved of cliff owning anything of Ewing Oil. Even when Jamie provided that document stating that Cliff was entitled to 1/3 of Ewing Oil, Bobby fought him till the end.
But then later, Bobby made Cliff a partner in Ewing Oil, only to get stabbed in the back by Cliff when he joined forces with McKay (only to get bailed out by Cliff in the end). Bobby was always all over the map when it came to Cliff - sticking up for him, threatening to wipe the floor with him, going into business with him, threatening him again, etc.
Jock annoys me here. He lets Ellie and Sue Ellen condemn JR and does nothing to defend him, even though he already admitted that he approved of what JR did. Thanks, Pop.
I don't understand why Jr had Lucy taken from Valene all those years ago. He didn't want Gary around so why have Lucy? Eventually she was gonna try to get Lucy at some point? She was a good mom that loved her. Jr made it seem like Valene and Gary didn't want Lucy and was gonna try to get some Ewing money. That wasn't the case. If Gary wanted that he would've stuck around. If anything Jr resented Gary because he had the guts to move on and live his own life than stay in the house with his parents.
J.R. did that for Jock, because Jock and Miss Ellie wanted their grandchild raised at Southfork. J.R. had no vested interest in having Lucy there, and if he really had his way about it, he would have preferred Lucy stayed with Valene, because having Lucy at Southfork, only increased the likelihood that Valene, and thereby, Gary, would come back, and that’s the last thing J.R. wanted. He would have liked it just fine if all three of them had been a family and stayed away from Southfork, but J.R. would have done anything for Jock’s approval, at every turn. So getting Lucy was a surefire way for J.R. to make his Daddy happy, and that was always J.R.’s top priority, keeping good graces with Jock at any cost, so he could be his favored son.
In The Book Dallas by Lee Raintree, Gary was always The Problem Child. Getting a 15 Year Old Girl Pregnant at 18, not doing well in School, then getting drafted and Jock & Miss Ellie bought his way out of Vietnam. Then being an Alcoholic, and running from his Wife and Daughter for the past 16 Years. Even though The Ewings had money to find Gary they didn't, he was nothing but a waste of space.
JR's dream was always to own Ewing Oil and Southfork. For himself and his OWN heirs, and it was Jock, his daddy and greatest hero, who who taught him to take... Larry Hagmans portrayal may be the greatest in terms of the psychology of a villain, in terms of his deformation and motives... BRAVO and RIP..
@@dantespears713 Now now -- calm down -- she made an honest mistake -- but you're right, David Ackroyd (American actor) is not related to Dan Aykroyd (Canadian actor/comedian)
Bobby had a sanctimonious attitude always wanting to do the right thing even for an enemy quick to stab him in the back any given time. Gary was just plain weak to couldn't measure up to family expectations.
Bobby wanted the company to fold rather than JR save it. He moved out because he knew JR had information on the nationalization. But JR did what he had to do otherwise they would have lost the entire company. Ellie crying because her adult son chose to leave riding a broomstick of false morality was ridiculous
Dude you’re a goddamn joke! You’re siding with JR just to get a reaction. Bobby didn’t want the company to fold and the only reason JR unloaded those Asian oil wells is because he knew they were going to become worthless- and he didn’t just sell them to save Ewing Oil- he sold them to his friends! Shady af! Watch the show and learn a thing or two
JR. Awe man. You got some splainin to do. Your, Mama, Daddy, and wife gonna toss your ass in the sanitarium. Bro, you been a bad boy. They gonna lose the key. You need to quit being so mean to sue Ellen.
Bobby's reason for leaving Southfork was dumb. JR did the right thing shutting down that oil well. The Ewings owned Cliff nothing. Here was a man who dedicated his life to making theirs a living hell including trying to have Jock convicted of murder. Bobby was being ridiculous.
Bobby's reason for leaveing was right...... he felt Ciff had a right to share in the profits of Ewing Oil......just Like Digger originally had rights to. as for Cliff he believed what his daddy said about Jock cheating him and cutting him out of the profits from Ewing Oil... Remember Jock and Digger were partner's in the early days.... Jock and Digger both signed a deal to share the profits of Ewing 23 between themselves and their heirs in perpetuity. However, when Ewing 6 came in, Jock put the field in his name only, to prevent Digger from gambling and drinking his half away. Digger was furious and he claimed that Jock had stolen the wells for himself, ending their friendship and business relationship. the fact Jock backed JR in shutting down that Field............ was to much for Bobby who felt Cliff had a right to share in the profits like Digger had in the first well Ewing 23.
Astraidragon1...If it were Digger I would agree but not Cliff who dedicated his life to making the lives of the Ewings a living hell. He even tried to have Jock convicted of murder. I certainly would not feel that I owed Cliff anything.
No but keep in mind that as far as Cliff was concerned back in the Day everything that happened with Digger was all Jock's fault then many years later Cliff discovered that Digger's downfall was nobody's fault but his own.
Bobby was being HONOURABLE, nothing wrong with that. But yes, what did Digger and Cliff deserve? Digger was an asset to Jock and Jamie's father who formed Ewing Oil in the beginning- he was able to quickly detect oil in any piece of land, which was why he was called 'Digger'. But Digger's drinking got in the way and he and Jamie's father sold their shares to another oil man. But Jock bought the shares back... so what crime did he commit? Digger blamed everything on Jock, including snatching Miss Ellie from him. Miss Elllie broke up with Digger because Digger's heavy drinking made him unreliable and she was all alone and on the verge of losing her dad's ranch to a public auction sale hence married Jock so he would save the ranch... but she did fall for him for real. And in Jock's defence, he gave Digger a piece of land, no charge, to start over. Digger refused and sold it back to him for a pittance. But later on, when chasing a rabbit across same land after he sold it back- he found there was a large quantity of oil there. So Jock owed him NOTHING. Digger and Cliff were their own worst enemies.
He didn't feel that as a 18 Year Old she was capable of taking care of Lucy properly and he wasn't going to give her a dime. Lucy had a lot of "Abandonment" Issues from the time she left the show.
Simply because J.R wasn’t the first Ewing son to have a child. It’s always interesting how J.R wanted to have a child before Bobby, but all along Gary had the first heir or should I say heiress.
Because he wanted to be the only heir to Southfork AND Ewing Oil. He really didn't want Bobby there either. Plus he was jealous of both of them; Bobby was Jock's favorite and Gary was Miss Ellie's. He thought Gary was easier to manipulate. Classic narcissist. At least Gary was the first to stop living in his momma and daddy's goddamn house! LOL
Eddie Cater, just felt he was weak, and couldn't handle adversity, and was the black sheep of the family, and was always running away when things get tight, and it drives him to the bottle.
j.d. Hogg if you think ms ellie was weak you need to look up the clip with her standing at the front door with a shot gun telling a tabloid reporter to get off her land 😂
