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Dan Barker Debate - The Horrible Fiction Of The Old Testament - Part 1
In this debate, Dan Barker argues about the horrific nature of the old testament.
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Daniel Edwin Barker (born June 25, 1949) is an American atheist activist who served as an evangelical Christian preacher and musician for 19 years but left Christianity in 1984. He and his wife Annie Laurie Gaylor are the current co-presidents of the Freedom From Religion Foundation. He has written numerous articles for Freethought Today, an American freethought newspaper. He is the author of several books including Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist.
Barker has been an invited speaker at Rock Beyond Belief. He is on the speakers bureau of the Secular Student Alliance.

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@fatterburrito
@fatterburrito Год назад
If we're counting predictions the Simpsons should be up there as a holy show.
@SydBodeker
@SydBodeker Год назад
On god 😂
@jccarranza96
@jccarranza96 Год назад
Amen! 😜
@SleepyPenguin-8og
@SleepyPenguin-8og 5 месяцев назад
"Predictions" lol
@MissOne
@MissOne 4 месяца назад
facts 💯
@rustanddust5524
@rustanddust5524 4 месяца назад
Coincidentally the Simpsons are prophetic in the same sense that Daniel was prophetic. The events had already taken place when the prophecies were made
@mtbiker4life918
@mtbiker4life918 Год назад
Dan just speaking facts that we can understand automatically wins this debate. 3 minutes into the other guys speech he is all over the place with charts, talking fast, and jumping around from point to point with zero proof. He's a perfect Christian.
@SleepyPenguin-8og
@SleepyPenguin-8og 5 месяцев назад
Ross Perot had charts too. U know nada.
@SleepyPenguin-8og
@SleepyPenguin-8og 4 месяца назад
@@mariag8806 ross perot relative perhaps? Doubtful.
@Stupidityindex
@Stupidityindex 2 месяца назад
It takes imagination to propose a debate can be had with one who thinks travel is best done with one foot in fantasyland. In the XII century significant events take place, as described in the Gospels: the coming of Jesus Christ, his life and crucifixion, although the existing text of the Gospels was edited and most likely dates to the XIV-XV cc. In the mid XII century, in the year 1152, Jesus Christ is born. In secular Byzantine history he is known as Emperor Andronicus and St. Andrew the Apostle the First-Called in Russian history he was portrayed as the Great Prince Andrey Bogolyubsky. To be more specific, Andrey Bogolyubsky is a chronicler counterpart of Andronicus-Christ during his stay in Vladimir-Suzdal Rus’ of the XII century, where he spent most of his life. In fact, the Star of Bethlehem blazed in the middle of the XII century. This gives us an absolute astronomical dating of Christ’s Life. [ЦРС], ch.1. ‘Star of Bethlehem’ - is an explosion of a supernova, which at present is incorrectly dated to the middle of the XI century. The present-day Crab Nebula in the Taurus Constellation is the remnant of this explosion. Enigmatic timber scarcity in Late Antiquity and Early Middle Ages as first recognized by dender-pioneer Ernest Hollstein (1918-1988) "No sites exist anywhere with uninterrupted timber specimen from about 1000 CE backwards to Imperial Antiquity(1st-3rd c.). which is why the dendro-chronologies for Ancient Rome and, thereby the entire first millennium are in disarray. Since the very existence of the chronology periods without wood samples was never doubted by the researchers, nobody started to question our textbook chronology. Instead, out of stratigraphic context, scholars searched for wood samples in wells or moors to fill the irritating gaps. In addition, identical reign sequences were used twice in a row to gamer more years. Therefor, "all dendrochronological datings done on West Roman time wood is wrong by some unknown number of years"(") ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-c876lPZ-UZU.html&ab_channel=PlanetAmnesia
@SleepyPenguin-8og
@SleepyPenguin-8og 2 месяца назад
@Stupidityindex feel sorry for those who cant think for themselves.
@MartyMcFly1085
@MartyMcFly1085 28 дней назад
I totally agree, apologists overload the audience with so many claims that the audience get overwhelmed and only realize later that it was all talk no substance. He also fits the bill as an apologist because he has not converted anybody to his cult, though he thinks he has… Dan is playing theological chess with a pigeon
@captaingraybeard
@captaingraybeard Год назад
Let’s all just think about it for a minute. If any of the characters from the Bible were around today telling their stories wouldn’t they all be labeled schizophrenic and most likely locked up? I’m sure as hell I’d be locked up if I tried saying God told me to sacrifice my son.
@JC57515
@JC57515 Год назад
Millions of women sacrifice their children Adam, many forced to do so by atheist governments,ie China, North Korea.
@captaingraybeard
@captaingraybeard Год назад
@@JC57515 yeah but Abraham was perfectly willing to do it wasn’t he.
@JC57515
@JC57515 Год назад
@@captaingraybeard sure, reluctantly, but he knew God could raise his son from the dead. The Lord never intended to carry out a human sacrifice. Ask yourself, what has atheism achieved globally? Dreadful massacres in Russia, China, Korea Cambodia, etc,etc,etc. One third of the population of Cambodia slaughtered without mercy
@captaingraybeard
@captaingraybeard Год назад
@@JC57515 the Jews, Muslims and Christians have all been killing each other for centuries. All in the name of the same exact god. How’s that any better?
@captaingraybeard
@captaingraybeard Год назад
The fact of the matter is it’s human nature for the strong to dominate the weak. So if we’re all “created in his image” what’s that really say about god?
@jacksquat4140
@jacksquat4140 Год назад
We should not concern ourselves with a fictitious God of vile temperament, and voracious appetite for violence, but we ought to fear those who endeavor to follow him, march to his drums, and obey his commands.
@zwelimthembu
@zwelimthembu Год назад
I will be sure to quote this
@MrDOB1000
@MrDOB1000 Год назад
Unlike Satan, who really loves you.
@jacksquat4140
@jacksquat4140 Год назад
@@MrDOB1000: Perhaps Yahweh and Satan are one and the same. King David said Yahweh told him to count his fighting men, then in another book, David said it was Satan who had inspired him (Kings and Chronicles). Who knows and who cares. Evil is evil and wicked is wicked. It doesn't matter if evil is done by god or wickedness is done by the devil. What matters is that it was done at all.
@joecurran2811
@joecurran2811 6 месяцев назад
Bingo!
@dindermufflin7932
@dindermufflin7932 4 месяца назад
March to his drums? Lol sounds occultish to me. U lost?
@jonathanross2304
@jonathanross2304 Год назад
Imagine for a moment that I released a book in 2010 that I supposedly wrote all the way back in 1995 and I claim that it contains dozens of prophetic revelations. So you're reading through the book and you notice that the prophecies about the years 1996, 97, and 98 are mostly accurate but they are fuzzy in a few places and contain some information that was thought to be true even just a few years ago, but we have since discovered it's not accurate. You find that kind of interesting so you keep reading. You notice that the closer you get to the 2010 release date of the book, the more accurate and specific the prophecies become. The housing market crash in 08 is described in detail, including names of important people at the time, important dates and places, with very very few errors. "Wow" you think. "Amazing!" You keep reading.. but suddenly all the prophecies about events occurring after 2010 are entirely unspecific. They are so vague they could be interpreted to mean any number of things. Gone are the dates, the names of people and places and their effect on history. The language is ambiguous and poetic. No longer do we see "predictions" like "Barack Obama shall be elected president on the promise of healthcare reform". Instead we see flowery language like "and the 3 great waves of the sea shall terrify the people and pillars of smoke and ash shall rise from lands to the east and west" The only people who wouldn't see through the sharade are those who desperately wanted to believe I was a prophet. Everyone else would correctly surmise that I didn't write the book in 1990, I wrote it in 2010. My memory was a little fuzzy on events that took place 20 years earlier but I got the gist of it right. Events that had just taken place prior to 2010 were fresh in my memory, so details were clear and accurate. But since I have no prophetic abilities, I had to resort to vague, ambiguous predictions with no specific timelines for everything after 2010. And that folks, is the book of Daniel.
@Psychiatrick
@Psychiatrick Год назад
2010 was an interesting year ... a blood moon eclipse and full moon (lunar Sabbath). What also happened 2010? Vatican told the world is has been appointing ALL Mr Presidents since George Wershington. And what did We the PERSONS do? THEY F'ING VOTED ... AGAIN AND AGAIN and about to 2024! The ONLY correct definition for "insanity" is We the PERSONS aka American voters voting over and over and (bend) over expecting results different than wars and debt, debt and wars, wars and debt. And We the PERSONS could careless who the lender is, the terms and conditions and the FACT We the PERSONS and the other brain dead the "Patriots"! Well PERSONS and Patriots ... it''s time to pay the freight! Pay up your fair share or you will be WWIII shot! mRNA ought to clear up much of the debt! Along with the heavily brain damaged WE the PERSONS and Patriots are, perhaps, the MOST dangerous International Terrorists known to man: the "Christians" who actually believe JeZEUS abolished the Law handed to Charlton Heston on mount Sinai ... They go on by claiming JeZEUS is their LORD... well, Saturn is Satans planet. Satan is the LORD of the Rings of Saturn. Satan sent it's only begotten SUN; JeZEUS, to fix the imperfections of God! 1, 2, 3 ... We the PERSONS, Patriots and Christians ...pffft ... gone!
@josephshepherd60
@josephshepherd60 Год назад
Exactly
@sasquatchmindcontrol
@sasquatchmindcontrol Год назад
@@josephshepherd60 wrong. You just don’t understand spiritual metaphor. And all spiritual lessons must be taught in metaphors to break your mind out of dualistic thinking
@firebornliger
@firebornliger Год назад
I do love how, in the rebuttal portion, he goes "See, this other part of the book has this name in it." Which only really establishes that that book is referring to A Daniel. I personally knew three at one point in my life. So, I guess they were all the author of the book too.
@Bible_bits
@Bible_bits День назад
The book of Daniel is in the Septuagint. Septuagint is written/translated before the birth of Christ. Read Daniel 9:24-27 which is a prophecy.
@donnamuller6460
@donnamuller6460 Год назад
I don’t know why I used to take this second guy’s opener as proof of anything. I did, though. It’s a jail of the mind. You want to know who saved ME? When the Internet was new and I was searching for Truth, Dan Barker himself was kind enough to enter into an email exchange with me. He answered all my questions, recommended books and barely-there websites, and was endlessly patient with me. Thank you, Dan! Since then, I’ve left the church, 2 years later my husband followed, our 6 children grew up as unbelievers, and they’ve established unbelieving households for my grandchildren.
@antoniochavez508
@antoniochavez508 Год назад
You have to take a lot of credit for yourself. It is a rarity that former believers see thru the myths of their former religions.
@robthornton5017
@robthornton5017 Год назад
@@antoniochavez508 Fact is some were not believers in the first place so its very easy to stop believing in something you never did. I cant see into the mind of people so what they believe I dont know, but I have heard many people who attend church say they only attend for the social life.
@jessebryant9233
@jessebryant9233 Год назад
And so what-no you've embraced a literally mindless and unscientific worldview where you have no rational basis for logic or even your own "moral" views, where none of the most fundamental questions of human existence (origins, meaning, morality, ultimate destiny) receive any meaningful answers? Why is that?
@danielpaulson8838
@danielpaulson8838 Год назад
@David Burrey I can help with that. Firstly, The Old Testament is framed on the template of the hero’s journey. It’s as viable as Jason and the Argonauts. Just a different genre of story telling. The fact that Genesis was written for their people at that time and matched their life is kind of a "duh" moment. In the original creation story, The Babylonian, Enuma Elish, they talk about building Babylon and zigarats. Archeology shows those are real. So by default, the Enuma Elish is real? Greek myth sails from real places. So real stories? We don't need anyone to show us this. We can see it for ourselves. You just chose to place one in a different category for person reasons. Gods existence has yet to be demonstrated. Even remotely.
@johnfox9169
@johnfox9169 Год назад
You are wonderful
@MrGrumblier
@MrGrumblier Год назад
Daniel 11 sounds more like a summary of the Game of Thrones than a prediction of the future. Of course, Daniel 11 was written around 164 BCE so it isn't all that amazing that it "predicts" events that happened well before it was written.
@andrewlevy7103
@andrewlevy7103 Год назад
What I love about this dude is that he was a hardcore christian like I used to be. Finally he came to his senses.
@JC57515
@JC57515 Год назад
I was a hard core atheist, my journey to Christ started when I was haunted! You can't forget such a terrifying experience. Glory to God.
@kenshiloh
@kenshiloh Год назад
Jesus said that, simply by asking, we can know Him. Christ is a spirit and those who worship Him do so in spirit and in truth. You were never a Christian you never knew the Lord. Jesus died on a Cross so that we may know Him! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@adnanbosnian5051
@adnanbosnian5051 Год назад
I never used to be Christian.
@lorenzolucifuge1653
@lorenzolucifuge1653 Год назад
@@JC57515 Yeah so coming to "god" saves his people from being "haunted"(whatever tf that is),being robbed,being murdered,and experiencing "hell"?! Whatever helps you get through life,right?
@JC57515
@JC57515 Год назад
@@lorenzolucifuge1653 thanks Lorenzo, being haunted is a visitation by a Spirit something never forgotten, and very rare and horrible. The name of Jesus is my protection, and its protection has certainly saved me, thank God.
@57Carlibra
@57Carlibra Год назад
I took the time to read the Old Testament when I was 18 and all the things Richard Dawkins says about it are true. It describes a God who is unbelievably horrific.
@kenshiloh
@kenshiloh Год назад
Actually, if you begin with the premise that just one act of wickedness: one lie, one theft, one disrespectful word towards God is enough to warrant eternal condemnation, then the Old Testament is awe-inspiring in its love, kindness, and mercy. Yet, is it reasonable that just one sin is enough to eternally condemn someone? The fact of the matter is that heaven is a place of moral perfection. No one will lie to you or steal from you there. That is, if you have lied or stolen, you would simply pollute heaven. If people like you and I were allowed there, how long before 'heaven' looked like South Central LA? We all deserve hell. Therefore, God's judgements in the OT are full of compassion, though they seem very harsh. For example, let's take a Bible skeptic from 100 years ago who complained about Noah's flood. Unless they made things right with God, they are in hell right now - with those same people God judged. What were they like? It is written that their thoughts were only 'violence continually.' Does that sound like a fun way to spend forever? Moreover, God won't destroy those people in a flood; they will live on and on; are you happy now? God will not kill anyone in hell. However, if you wind up in hell, it is violence continually!' That is who they are! Jesus said that if you go to hell, you will be tortured by the 'torturers.' Now, angels are not in hell, so who are these 'torturers'? Thank God, I will never know. Will you? I hope that I have 'scared the hell out of you.' You cannot say that I did not warn you. To libel God publicly rather than to humbly ask questions is a terrible crime! Christ died on a Cross so that we may know Him. The blood of Christ makes us fit for heaven. I hope that you will look to Jesus. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@daylesuess552
@daylesuess552 Год назад
@@kenshiloh what do you know of heaven or even if it exists?
@kenshiloh
@kenshiloh Год назад
@@daylesuess552 oops, I accidently typed my answer to your question in a post below. Oh well, here it is: Jesus said that, simply by asking, we can know Him. Christ is a spirit and those who worship Him do so in spirit and in truth. Jesus died on a Cross so that we may know Him! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@lorenzolucifuge1653
@lorenzolucifuge1653 Год назад
@@kenshiloh GO sell your black fear scam somewhere else where you fit in with your "natives".We all think for ourselves here.
@calonstanni
@calonstanni Год назад
@@kenshiloh in other words, you don't know. You just turned your brain off and now you want OTHERS to live a life of lies.
@ThrivingReality
@ThrivingReality 4 года назад
using the bible to prove the bible is not really proving anything...
@homophilosofikus8215
@homophilosofikus8215 2 года назад
So true. The bible is the claim, not the evidence
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Год назад
As God Cares what you think about his words, the Bible... Western Godless and Souless idiot without objective morals... 🤣🤣 But how much you are stupid Godless and Souless idiot??? 😉
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Год назад
@@homophilosofikus8215 As God Cares what you think about his words, the Bible... Western Godless and Souless idiot without objective morals... 🤣🤣 But how much you are stupid Godless and Souless idiot??? 😉
@frankjames1955
@frankjames1955 Год назад
it means you dont know what the bible even is about in any way
@robinrobyn1714
@robinrobyn1714 Год назад
Pathologically ranting against something that doesn't exist according to the individual, isn't really proving anything
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley 3 года назад
Here we go: Yahweh is a Hebrew tribal male god who always existed and knows all things. He creates a male human out of dirt and a female human from the man's rib. He assigns them free will and runs a test to see if they will disobey him, knowing that they will. When they disobey him as he knew they would, he curses them and remains angry with them and their descendants for thousands of years. Finally he relents by having a son by a virgin which he sacrifices over a weekend to remove the curse. Later he rejoins himself in his heavenly kingdom - which is within you, according to his son. Pure rubbish.
@alexjoneschannel
@alexjoneschannel 2 года назад
Free will by nature gives you the option to be disobedient. If you want to see how God's mercy and wrath is portrayed read Hosea it only takes about 30 minutes. Also your last state about Gods reunion inside us isn't theologically correct. We're referred to as temples replacing the brick and mortar temples, not his kingdom.
@wprandall2452
@wprandall2452 2 года назад
Well - at least what you wrote is pure rubbish. Yahweh is not a male human. He began in infinity from the eternal laws of reality, and for that reason He is all knowing and accomplishes all things. He made Man out of dust - what else is He going to use to create animals? He has only been angry with people because they keep rebelling and doing evil. The curse came on Adam and Eve at the beginning because they disconnected from the spirit of the Lord. It wasn't due to any action from the Lord. Yes, through Jesus the Christ the curse has been removed, IF you repent and receive Him as Savior. The Holy Spirit is then given to reconnect your soul, and at the Second Coming your body is reconnected and becomes eternal again. You have no understanding of spiritual things right now. You need to contact a local church, preferably Baptist.
@ryanthomas7119
@ryanthomas7119 2 года назад
@DrakenViggen There are no mistakes in a kindergarteners artwork
@hellohandsome9875
@hellohandsome9875 2 года назад
That's putting it mildly
@tealx8462
@tealx8462 2 года назад
@@wprandall2452 Yeah, nature!!!
@JesusGarcia-bu7tf
@JesusGarcia-bu7tf Год назад
I love how believers resort to slide shows about the bible in order to prove god’s existence instead of just asking “hey god, can you help me out here?”
@JC57515
@JC57515 Год назад
I have, He did.
@Stopthegreed
@Stopthegreed Год назад
cook blahaha very funny
@akashmaityX
@akashmaityX Год назад
Exactly.. I Always thought abt this.. GOD Doesn't practically Do anything !!in anyone's lives.. Nor does he care to reveal himself when people really just want to see him.. lol
@spacetofu19
@spacetofu19 6 месяцев назад
@@JC57515 No. “he” didn’t. Think rationally for 2 seconds for once, and see that’s it’s just of the mind.
@JC57515
@JC57515 6 месяцев назад
@@spacetofu19 I'm not being rude, but you literally don't know what you're talking about. As I said elsewhere, when you see a demon, you'll believe instantly.
@Doriesep6622
@Doriesep6622 5 лет назад
Why wouldn't common sense dictate that the thing was fiction? All the stories were mean, and the whole system with a god panting for blood to get paid back for his creatures naughtiness.
@johndavis9591
@johndavis9591 3 года назад
It takes a long time to learn something and a greater amount of time to unlearn it..
@philipmullins5185
@philipmullins5185 Год назад
The second person speaking reminds me of a person who reads a science fiction novel and believes everything in the novel is true .
@DarrellOakdenPhotography
@DarrellOakdenPhotography 4 года назад
I tried so hard to make any sense of what the Christian guy was trying to say. Unfortunately, it sounded like a torrent of word salad. Dan makes a much more coherent and logical argument.
@avi8251
@avi8251 2 года назад
Lol! I thought I was listening to an auctioneer.
@ChillAssTurtle
@ChillAssTurtle 2 года назад
When you dont have any proof or the confidence that comes with knowing you actually have a foot t stand on.
@MarioMancinelli82
@MarioMancinelli82 2 года назад
Lol praise Jesus for his fictional facts
@ChillAssTurtle
@ChillAssTurtle 2 года назад
@@MarioMancinelli82 or else youll burn forever n god will hate you. Rofl
@mudslinger888
@mudslinger888 2 года назад
Christian Ben Shapiro
@BrendanWhelan
@BrendanWhelan Год назад
Dan Barker: uses Science, Archeology, Logic and sound reasoning to show how the Bible is most likely myth and fiction. Christian: uses the Bible to prove the Bible is fact. Christianity in a nutshell. Dan Barker is one of my favorites to do these debates. Him and Hitch, who is sorely missed.
@robertmyers6865
@robertmyers6865 Год назад
Barker IS BARKING up the Wrong Tree!🤣😭🤣😭🤣🤣😭🤣🤪😜🤣😁
@robertmyers6865
@robertmyers6865 Год назад
The DAY is coming, You WILL change your mind!!!!! But, it will be tooooo Late to Correct your thinking. You better change IT NOW!!!
@colinpurssey9875
@colinpurssey9875 5 месяцев назад
True , many Christians do indeed use the Bible to prove the Bible is fact ; the circular fallacy . No worse a non sequitur than that of atheists who posit nature itself as the cause of itself !
@VulcanLogic
@VulcanLogic 4 месяца назад
@@robertmyers6865 Magic-wielding carpenter wizards aren't real, bro.
@milkenobi
@milkenobi Год назад
Gotta love how he describes the prohecies in Daniel as clear, specific and concise after having to explain in painful detail how the prophecies line up with reality with winding, complex interpretation and mental gymnastics.
@gregmark1688
@gregmark1688 Год назад
I'm loving how he grounds his entire argument in a book that is almost universally agreed to have been written in the 2nd century BCE, after all of the allegedly prophesied events have already happened, and attributed to a figure, Daniel, who is almost universally agreed to have never actually existed.
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Год назад
I love how a western Godless and Souless idiot come up with a new theory everyday just to attract others godless and Souless western idiots that live in Wealth societies and so lost their faith in God and so they Soul... 🙂
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Год назад
@@gregmark1688 I love how a western Godless and Souless idiot come up with a new theory everyday just to attract others godless and Souless western idiots that live in Wealth societies and so lost their faith in God and so they Soul... 🙂
@milkenobi
@milkenobi Год назад
@@gregmark1688 can’t believe I used to buy this crap
@dantastic48
@dantastic48 Год назад
Evolution a "fact" , just a fictitious fantasy, that requires far more faith, than Biblical Christianity, Nothing +Nothing =Everything, Good Luck
@dandrechesterfield5411
@dandrechesterfield5411 Год назад
my dog talks to me all the time, it always seems to be when my meds run out
@shaunigothictv1003
@shaunigothictv1003 2 года назад
The sin argument is an interesting one. Christian apologists claim that Adam and Eve were created perfect but they had freewill - hence why they sinned. The problem with this claim is that if they were created perfect then they should have always made perfect decisions. Imperfection does not give birth to perfection. That goes against the rules of logic. PERFECTION BEGATS PERFECTION. IMPERFECTION BEGATS IMPERFECTION. Logic always wins. Therefore, the Christian apologists claim is completely wrong from a logical standpoint - of course, that is if we are using the same logical parameters to assess this topic in the same way we would assess everything else in life. Of course, the Eden story is entirely mythological - but Christian apologists interpret the story literally - thats the problem. You see foks, All the geographical locations in the bible are actually real - so are the various people groups mentioned in the bible. But all the stories are entire mythological and consist of allegory and metaphor. In fact, all the worlds organised religions are actually the same in this manner. Ancient Humans were simply trying to understand the world around them and their greater purpose - so they wrote what they SURMISED was Gods nature and mixed in their own folklore tales with it. They then put these ALLEGORICAL hybrid tales into books and the resulting end products are what you would call the so called "holy books" from the various people groups around the world. There is nothing surprising about this. Thats just human beings behaving like human beings. Throughout the thousands of years people groups from around the world have done this. The trick is to make the various resulting religions work for YOU. Rather than YOU working for these religions. Hell was not taught as a lake of fire in the Old Testament. The greek idea of hell in the New Testament is very easy to explain. Let us first examine the Jews. The orthodox Jews claim that both Christianity and Islam are actually BASTARDISATIONS of orthodox Judaism. The orthodox Jews do not believe in hell as a place of eternal torture by fire. That would explain why greek ideas of hell have been put in Jesus's mouth by the greek writers of the New Testament. Especially, considering that in order for any person to learn greek 2000 years ago the only greek writings actually available to actually PRACTICE learning the greek language were greek mythological epics which documented precisely greek ideas of hell. For example, Hades and Tartarus are terms for hell copied straight from the greek mythological epics which contained these concepts and ideas. People simply learnt these Greek epics as a way of practicing reading and writing greek as the main greek writings were all mythological works. The New Testament writers then copied these greek ideas of hell into the greek New Testament they were writing. The New Testament is a fusion of Judaism and Greek mythology. Hellinistic Judaism is well documented by Orthodox Jews themselves. It was eventually suppressed - but It re-emerged as New Testament Christianity in 325ad. The difference is that this time it was backed by the state of Rome in what became known as Roman Catholicism. ALL, the various protestant denominations copied these doctrines as they branched off from Roman Catholicism. They left out other doctrines and took the main doctrines into their new Protestant version of Christianity.
@frankiewally1891
@frankiewally1891 2 года назад
you wanna know what I think; it wasn`t god, who laid down the foundations for the whole sin business, it was a gathering of Jewish mothers ,and they are the culprits we ought to blame them for all the misery of us all.
@shaunigothictv1003
@shaunigothictv1003 2 года назад
@@frankiewally1891 Be careful not to say that to their face Frankie. They control everything in the world and they may have you killed. I like your courage and honesty though.
@frankiewally1891
@frankiewally1891 2 года назад
@@shaunigothictv1003 Shauni ,let`s not fall into a paranoia; I know the cabal of "heaven" inspired idiots is a danger to the world`s peace, but we must not surrender to the deluded terrorists of any ilk. Life indeed is beautiful and we have a duty to keep it so, despite the relentless attacks of "faithful sheep".
@shaunigothictv1003
@shaunigothictv1003 2 года назад
@@frankiewally1891 Excellent analysis.
@frankiewally1891
@frankiewally1891 2 года назад
@@shaunigothictv1003 happy to oblige...
@wishiwsthr
@wishiwsthr Год назад
it's like listening to the voice of reason followed by the voice of Fairy Tail conspiracy theories
@robertmyers6865
@robertmyers6865 Год назад
Which voice belongs to WHO?
@wishiwsthr
@wishiwsthr Год назад
@@robertmyers6865 The Bible is obviously fairy tales
@hernanedias554
@hernanedias554 Год назад
@@robertmyers6865 Reason I'd say Dan, he spoke first dude...
@robertblakeman9978
@robertblakeman9978 Год назад
Fairy TALE or STORY, not tail-like that of a dog!!
@hisvorpalsword
@hisvorpalsword 2 года назад
Anyone who evangelizes right before a debate automatically loses.
@robinrobyn1714
@robinrobyn1714 Год назад
Exactly. And Dan Barker lost.
@hisvorpalsword
@hisvorpalsword Год назад
@@robinrobyn1714 lol... Ok
@robinrobyn1714
@robinrobyn1714 Год назад
@@hisvorpalsword Dan Barker evangelized before the debate and insulted something that doesn't exist according to him, calling it various names. He let everyone know that he took great issue with a non existent entity.
@hisvorpalsword
@hisvorpalsword Год назад
@@robinrobyn1714 LOL.... Omg
@InternetSearchBibleErrors
@InternetSearchBibleErrors Месяц назад
Script reading is a defeat for the Christian you obviously didn’t listen to this guy reading from the Bible over and over
@marzymarrz5172
@marzymarrz5172 Год назад
Yes, that old testament deity is pretty scary. Its also pretty scary that the religion I grew up in taught that same message hook, line and sinker. But I was pretty discerning even as a kid. End of the religion thing.
@user-bo8nb2mi
@user-bo8nb2mi Год назад
In ww2 when Jews were gassed and shot it was scarier too. Real life incidents.
@thedesigneer
@thedesigneer Год назад
I will reward 1000 dollars to whoever understood what that Christian kid was babbling about.
@paddlefar9175
@paddlefar9175 Год назад
I was really trying to pay attention to what he was saying, but I fell asleep. I sure didn’t for Dan because he speaks much better and real.
@leoaguinaldo65
@leoaguinaldo65 Год назад
The brain dissolves immediately when you drink the holy koolaid.
@thedesigneer
@thedesigneer Год назад
@@leoaguinaldo65 😁😁😁😂😂😂😂
@anthonymarlowe6986
@anthonymarlowe6986 Год назад
@@leoaguinaldo65 You speaking for this Jewish imaginary supernatural been who never existed and supertious claims that never happened evil genocidal racist maniac from the zionist bible. Imaginary been never ever speak for itself but only speak to people in there heads always in there's heads.
@rambleon1417
@rambleon1417 Год назад
Be careful, Kenneth Copeland will come looking for you! 👀
@BobHopePot
@BobHopePot Год назад
Barker perfectly set up the second guy to sound like a complete lunatic, which he does.
@shanen8031
@shanen8031 4 года назад
He may as well have just argued “the bible is true because the bible says so”
@donny5429
@donny5429 3 года назад
I believe in it because it makes more sense to me than the Big Bang
@mudslinger888
@mudslinger888 2 года назад
Isnt that a known fact?
@shanen8031
@shanen8031 2 года назад
@@mudslinger888 not sure if you are taking the piss or not 🙄
@poozer1986
@poozer1986 Год назад
That's the only argument they have, and it is so evidently wrong, it's laughable
@poozer1986
@poozer1986 Год назад
@@mudslinger888 isn't what true?
@henrikrolfsen584
@henrikrolfsen584 2 года назад
47:57 Well look here: Millions of Mickey Mouse Dolls exist. Millions of Mickey Mouse Coloring Books exist. Millions of Mickey Mouse Clocks, and Watches exist. A bunch of old Mickey Mouse Telephones even exist! There is hardly a living person today, anywhere on Earth, who has never heard of Mickey Mouse! Who in their right mind, would doubt the truth of the existence of Mickey Mouse?
@rondecambio7375
@rondecambio7375 Год назад
And yet Mickey Mouse never really existed and was the fictional creation of Walt Disney.
@henrikrolfsen584
@henrikrolfsen584 Год назад
@@rondecambio7375 None of the following fantasy figures ever existed, but were inventions of the story tellers among the ancient Hebrews: Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus. Mickey Mouse is better known, and more loved, than any of these phony Hebrew "Holy Book" figures.
@rondecambio7375
@rondecambio7375 Год назад
@@henrikrolfsen584 I agree totally.
@patcomerford5596
@patcomerford5596 Год назад
Dan Barker is an excellent resource following the sad demise of Christopher Hitchens. While I fully endorse Barker I have spent the last 40+years understanding the purpose of religious faith for people. We need to consider compassionately this action/choice of believers of religion . Only then can we relate with those who live their lives by the standards of these religious myths.
@mattr.1887
@mattr.1887 Год назад
Agreed! I am a former Christian, but it's not as if I see Christianity as 100% flawed. For all the theological nonsense, church life itself can provide all kinds of benefits for people. Nothing wrong with that at all.
@JoaquinArguelles
@JoaquinArguelles 4 года назад
It seems like the Christian gentleman really believes what he's saying. It never ceases to surprise me.
@silverwolfmonastery
@silverwolfmonastery 4 года назад
It is amazing how deep belief can be. My belief was powerful before I applied logic to my worldview. Most religious people are "honest"... they believe it. They are just wrong.
@westmedtim
@westmedtim 4 года назад
It's amazing how powerful brainwashing and indoctrination is. When people you love more than anyone else in the world teach you that something is true, from birth, it is nearly impossible to shake that, even in the face of clear evidence impeaching it.....
@ChillAssTurtle
@ChillAssTurtle 2 года назад
@@silverwolfmonastery yuhhh hell is very real to my girlfriend.
@silverwolfmonastery
@silverwolfmonastery 2 года назад
@@ChillAssTurtle that is some sad shit. Sorry man
@ChillAssTurtle
@ChillAssTurtle 2 года назад
@@silverwolfmonastery its sickness dude
@kevinodonnell3451
@kevinodonnell3451 2 года назад
It took me until I was 29 to finally break my yoke with Belief. I finally embrace Knowledge, not Belief. Philosophy and The Sciences was my key to Freedom from Faith.
@strikethenine8755
@strikethenine8755 2 года назад
It’s a typical position from all those that wanna escape moral responsibilities in this world… There’s good and evil we all know that…there’s truth and lies we’ve all met liars. The philosophers died horrible deaths and knowledge is just information…by the way information doesn’t evolve, matter doesn’t give rise to coded information, things deteriorate in a closed system (2nd law of thermodynamics). Maybe you should examine your beliefs a little deeper.
@swayzy762
@swayzy762 2 года назад
25 here. Lived with Mormon family for 1yr to change my life around. All boy did I 🤣🤣
@cabdll
@cabdll 2 года назад
This guy thinks he has the authority - what an absolute fuckhead.
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Год назад
As we Cristians do not know the Philosophy and Science... How much you are stupid western Godless and Souless idiot... 🤣🤣🤣 But Jesus knees there were people who would not believe in him, he called them Vipers, that why he said the did not come to bring the Peace but the Sword, that what he meant... Thank you to prove him right You godless and Souless western idiot. 🙂
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Год назад
@@ahmesceanga6382 As we Cristians do not know the Philosophy and Science... How much you are stupid western Godless and Souless idiot... 🤣🤣🤣 But Jesus knees there were people who would not believe in him, he called them Vipers, that why he said the did not come to bring the Peace but the Sword, that what he meant... Thank you to prove him right You godless and Souless western idiot. 🙂
@wassilykandinsky4616
@wassilykandinsky4616 5 лет назад
Everything else but my faith is mythology says every believer in his own mythology.
@donny5429
@donny5429 3 года назад
I think that you think that of yourself and you’re projecting it to everyone. I have to say that I disagree with your statement.
@wassilykandinsky4616
@wassilykandinsky4616 3 года назад
Donny . Please be specific. But let me explain my statement. Adhering to a religious or ideologic faith, is mostly connected to a confession to some principles that are seen as absolute, unchangeable, inerrant, in the case of religions beyond death. And these kind of faiths are based on holy texts and manifests. These things create a segregation which actually means: We are right, the others are wrong. You can observe that everywhere.
@denemessina8601
@denemessina8601 Год назад
@@donny5429 Except for the unavoidable fact that few religions acknowledge the existence of other deities in their doctrine. This means that either 1. only one religion has the truth and only their deity exists , 2 All or some of their contradictory deities exist and for reasons known only to themselves said deities are either in ignorance or denial of, or purposefully hide the existence of other supreme beings, which is not exactly behaviour befitting of a god or goddess, or: 3. None of them exist. Of course that is without going into the various splinter sects which encourage their slaves to believe that others who worship the same god are "doing it wrong" and will be punished for it. If you want to disagree with a statement like the one made above, fine. But it is customary in debate to actually then offer a logical reason and maybe a qualifying argument for your view. Merely telling us that you disagree is frankly a waste of time for all concerned.
@donny5429
@donny5429 Год назад
@@wassilykandinsky4616 I don’t think someone is wrong to believe in something they find to be true. Why would they not? If they believe it in their heart, who are you to tell them their wrong or that it’s just another religion?
@donny5429
@donny5429 Год назад
@@denemessina8601 I believe there is a designer behind what we see today. I just can’t get myself to believe that things just came to be with a Big Bang and evolution. If you really think about the Big Bang, it makes no sense. Two atoms that just happen to be wondering around the universe waiting to explode into what we call human beings, wildlife, and the rest of the universe.
@paullever2085
@paullever2085 2 года назад
Poor Tom, slow down and think about your evidence, the slides and stories are not evidence...Every time you look down after your speech show your timidity, the faster you talk and the angrier you become doesn’t prove anything other than you lack of confidence or your information....Thank you Dan...
@kikkan7110
@kikkan7110 2 года назад
I do not understand him as angry, rather engaged in the topic.
@hurdygurdyguy1
@hurdygurdyguy1 Год назад
@@kikkan7110 true, not angry, just trying to cram as much of his "proof" into a short amount of time making himself appear hyper and manic...
@kikkan7110
@kikkan7110 Год назад
@@hurdygurdyguy1 I do not believe he is manic at all, I guess he'll have his say, as we all wants to say our piece. Thank you for commenting Sir.
@janaltamare8637
@janaltamare8637 Год назад
Q616
@Alephkilo
@Alephkilo Год назад
Poor Paul, can’t retort.
@Mrz-sb1hw
@Mrz-sb1hw 9 месяцев назад
Anybody could read the Bible before the internet and see it's contradictions. Just buy a Bible and keep an open mind and take notes if you see things that don't make sense.
@henrikrolfsen584
@henrikrolfsen584 2 года назад
I have been studying the writings of free rational thinkers all my life. I became an Atheist in around 1960. I have studied the works of the Enlightenment, and the Encyclopedists, as well as all modern Atheist publishers. In my opinion, nobody articulates the evil, that is religion, better than Dan barker. And, as we all know, there is no religion more evil than that as described in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic "Holy Books".
@tealx8462
@tealx8462 2 года назад
💥 BOOM!
@frankiewally1891
@frankiewally1891 2 года назад
Amen!
@freddan6fly
@freddan6fly 2 года назад
Ramen
@cabdll
@cabdll 2 года назад
I feel sorry for you
@tealx8462
@tealx8462 2 года назад
@@cabdll Don’t!
@soniachambers6460
@soniachambers6460 9 месяцев назад
It's been a while since I thought of 'the salt woman' ....aka Lot's wife.. When i was little, i thought she turned into the Dead Sea .. She was a primary example I held as a Christian to 'not look back'... I never felt compassion for her, not once. Now I do. She was only human. Like me.
@chainedmindsasylum
@chainedmindsasylum 2 года назад
Dan Barker metaphorically ran this guy over with a Mack truck 🚛🤕
@robertmyers6865
@robertmyers6865 Год назад
Dan is a Barker alright. A dog barking up an empty tree.
@chainedmindsasylum
@chainedmindsasylum Год назад
@@robertmyers6865 He knows the Bible very well and that's why he's not a believer. Yahweh is not God and is in fact the very Devil he claims to have created 😈
@warren52nz
@warren52nz 2 года назад
Notice how that Christian presents his quotes on what looks like original, aged, parched pages when of course that's all fake; they weren't written in English! Why would he do that? Next he'll put choir music behind his speech. Sorry, that doesn't make your arguments any less ridiculous. Also talking really fast makes you sound desperate!
@S24W2
@S24W2 Год назад
The way the Christian guy argues screams insecurity, and he would be absolutely crushed by someone like Prof. Francesca Stavrakopoulou, an expert on the Bible and who argues that the Bible is mainly not historical at all. The Chrustian guy just seems to waffle off a load a useless information which can be explained away in other ways. Dan Barker puts up much more of a convincing argument here.
@steveweiss7191
@steveweiss7191 Год назад
The default position of ancient stories, or even current ones, is that it is fiction. The fact that some references in literature are verifible such as settings, dating, and people make such works historical fiction, with the emphasis on "fiction."
@seraphimstep8443
@seraphimstep8443 4 года назад
Why do people keep using the Bible to explain the Bible when they are doubting the truth of the Bible lol 🤔🙄
@westmedtim
@westmedtim 4 года назад
The Bible contradicts itself several hundreds of times?
@JasonHarris777
@JasonHarris777 4 года назад
Anyone can write down human experiences, principles and perceptions metaphorically ascribing it the word of the Lord or a higher external source or poweri.e. sin and human depravity. These are all perceptions of bronze and iron age men trying to understand the reality of the unpredictability and adverse behaviors of men, and the antinomy of nature.
@mikeaskme3530
@mikeaskme3530 3 года назад
@Seraphim Step. i think he is using the bible to disprove the bible, because debating with Christians myself, they use the bible to explain or prove the Bible.
@susanhaney3437
@susanhaney3437 5 месяцев назад
I can't understand how the second speaker thinks that vague Biblical prophecies "coming true" are proof that the Bible is historical. These prophesies are so vague that you can easily cherry pick events fit the prophecy. You can even find events that fit Daniel's prophesies in American history. On the other hand, he completely unable to offer physical/archaeological proof that supports his events. And he does not even try to rebut the other guy's arguments.
@gregmark1688
@gregmark1688 Год назад
Yes, it's amazing how 'Daniel' (who never existed) was able to predict all these things that had already happened by the mid 2nd Century, when The Book of Daniel was actually written. The guy arguing against is both shallow-minded, and dishonest.
@davidarbogast37
@davidarbogast37 8 месяцев назад
When dealing with a Bible literalist who declares that the Bible is 100% accurate and inerrant, you know you're not dealing with someone who is intellectually honest.
@ChaoThing
@ChaoThing Год назад
Dan helped me heal from indoctrination and overcome the abusive, cowardly rhetoric of Christian dogma. Thank you Dan Barker. 🤩
@StreetsOfVancouverChannel
@StreetsOfVancouverChannel Год назад
Your humility is astounding...
@RAndrewKReed
@RAndrewKReed Год назад
The old testament is principally the book of another " religion", and is embraced by Christians only through the lens of the New Testaments.
@andycandal5934
@andycandal5934 Год назад
a random kyle...the Old Testament is Dogma but JEWISH Dogma along with The Talmud !!! The Old Testament was written by jewish scribes for jewish people. Now, if are you referring to The New Testament that's a different subject. If you don't know the difference between the two is because you're lost about judeo-christian religion.
@andycandal5934
@andycandal5934 Год назад
@Margie Smith AGAIN...they're talking about The Old Testament ! So stick to the subject !
@andycandal5934
@andycandal5934 Год назад
@Margie Smith Old Testament is relevant but PERTAINING mainly to jewish people. It's irrelevant if you think OT and NT are myths. Stick to the subject
@jasminjavorina199
@jasminjavorina199 Год назад
As soon as the christian guy opened his mouth, argument was lost.
@tedgrant2
@tedgrant2 Год назад
It's interesting that Daniel doesn't mention the Romans. But clearly it does refer to the Romans after very careful interpretation. In fact, after very careful interpretation, it actually mentions anything I like.
@eo9438
@eo9438 Год назад
Daniel was a captive of Babylonians, the first ancient kingdom, which was followed by Medo-Persia, then Greeceand later the Roman empire. How will he mention the Romans, a kingdom that existed millenuims after Daniel was dead. Intact, its during Daniel's time as a captive in Babylon that the prophecy for the world political succession was Given to King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonian (Mesopotamia). If the Bible is really Fiction, does it give account of these kingdoms in succession? Does history confirm the events recorded in the Bible? The Bible is the most accurate book ever written. whoever doesn't understand it is because they have chosen not to. Read the Bible with Hiistory and confirm.
@tedgrant2
@tedgrant2 Год назад
@@eo9438 I have read a very accurate book about the second world war. At no point did I think it was written many centuries ago.
@michellebrown4903
@michellebrown4903 Год назад
@@eo9438 like many good lies , there is a kernel of truth. But there is no Egyptian record of Moses or a sizeable captive Hebrew population. For example. As for the " miracle's" , you don't really believe people can walk on water or rise from the dead ? But the greatest improbability is the god of Abraham himself. He is a venal , violent, cruel psychopath. Why would the creator of the Cosmos want me to worship it? And if l didn't, torture me forever? You are welcome to such a god , I will have nothing to do with it.
@rembrandt972ify
@rembrandt972ify Год назад
@@eo9438 The Bible claims that plants existed on the Earth before the sun was formed. Not even you can be stupid enough to believe that.
@tedgrant2
@tedgrant2 Год назад
@@eo9438 Suppose I wrote a story about the assassination of John F Kennedy and buried in my garden. Should anybody discover it, in say 500 years time, what would they think ? Would they think it had been written before or after the event ?
@unstabledefusion
@unstabledefusion 2 года назад
The Christian guy claims that Dan needs to prove that God doesn’t exist beyond a reasonable doubt, but I’ve never seen any believer prove that God DOES exist beyond a reasonable doubt. I’ve never seen anyone prove that God exist using even minimal evidence besides personal experience.
@brianrichards3119
@brianrichards3119 2 года назад
I have spirit unicorns in my back garden. I can't prove it to you but you can't disprove it either, so that makes me right 😂😂😂. I can invent anything I like on the basis of what can't be disproved. "Why do elephants paint their toenails red? So they can hide in cherry trees! Have you ever seen an elephant in a cherry tree? No? Shows how good the disguise is" 😂
@freddan6fly
@freddan6fly 2 года назад
Look at the trees, therefore god.
@anthonyharty1732
@anthonyharty1732 Год назад
@@brianrichards3119 I believe you, I’m a Theist I always believe in fairytale nonsense. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@VulcanLogic
@VulcanLogic Год назад
I can prove that the Christian God does not exist, at least, not as described in his book. •He says in multiple places that he always affirmatively answers prayers, then doesn't •He is said to be omniscient but is surprised quite often •He is said to be omnipotent but can't beat humans armed with iron chariots, and gets angry when surprised •Zero evidence of an Exodus or worldwide flood. •Could have appeared to Tiberius, Pontius Pilate and the Sanhedrin after the resurrection but kept to his buddies (and a single non-eyewitness account claiming also 500 randoms saw him), again, pointing to lack of omniscience. That's a pretty stupid god. •Is still completely dismissed as fiction by more than 2/3rds of all humans, despite being all powerful and wanting us to know him.
@masterprophet8378
@masterprophet8378 Год назад
Cut it out, Devon. You're in denial. You're intelligent enough to know that the circumstantial evidence of intelligent design in creation clearly points to the existence of an intelligent, benevolent Creator.
@ZinduZatism
@ZinduZatism 3 года назад
Dan is The Man
@cabdll
@cabdll 2 года назад
So you believe a human being over a god! You fooo
@rsr789
@rsr789 Год назад
@@cabdll Foo Fighters?
@LRM5195
@LRM5195 Год назад
I’m in this weird middle ground of not really knowing what I believe but Dan Barker is a fresh of breath air. He’s not a cocky atheists like most of who I see, but someone, who like me, was deep into Christianity and recognizes the right tone to speak from when talking to people. He seems like he kept the good qualities, like being soft spoken and quick to listen but slow to speak.
@steelymcafeeliac1050
@steelymcafeeliac1050 Год назад
You are in a good place with no need to go one way or the other. Claiming to know the unknowable one way or the other seemed wild to me once I came to be comfortable with the fact that maybe I don’t know the details of the origins of the universe. Be positive, love everyone and claim ignorance; what could go wrong?
@robinrobyn1714
@robinrobyn1714 Год назад
He did keep the good qualities- incredibly ignorant about the Bible, extremely insulting to something that doesn't exist according to him, and pathologically fixated on this non existent entity.
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (II Peter 1:20-21)
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
@@robinrobyn1714 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (II Peter 1:20-21)
@hurdygurdyguy1
@hurdygurdyguy1 Год назад
Bart Erhman had a similar history, he became a born again Evangelical Christian before going to college where he was introduced to the "problems" of the Bible (translation errors, historical errors, evidence of editing, etc. btw, most Bible scholars have known about these for 100 years or more) and eventually let go of his faith. Not, interestingly, because of Biblical fallacies but from what he describes as "God's Problem," in which how does an all powerful all knowing etc etc allow the suffering of humanity....
@emtrem100
@emtrem100 Год назад
That Christian guys presentation was an absolute frantic, jumbled mess. Painful.
@manuelwatts1864
@manuelwatts1864 Год назад
"Faith, like a jackal, feeds amongst the tombs." -- Melville
@jkryanspark
@jkryanspark Год назад
"A man had faith in a fart, and wound up shitting in his pants." --some guy with whom I used to bowl
@manuelwatts1864
@manuelwatts1864 Год назад
@@jkryanspark Lol! Pickup that split .. and then "shackle it" for the head!
@jacksquat4140
@jacksquat4140 Год назад
@@jkryanspark: "Never trust a fart." - Jack Nicholson (The Bucket List)
@GoutamDAS-ls1wb
@GoutamDAS-ls1wb 2 года назад
All those fantastic incidents are exaggerations and hyperbole intended for a reason and never intended to be historically precise. The lessons in them are important. Hitting the rock produces water means that finding water seemed as impossible as it flowing from a rock but because of their "faith" the Israelites achieved it. I am sure they dug deep and hit an aquifer! My take is that it means never to give up hope even when everything seems lost. It does not help to think in any other way. I am not religious in the least. Is it even known how many times the Testaments were written and rewritten?
@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694
@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694 Год назад
Nice Try.
@GoutamDAS-ls1wb
@GoutamDAS-ls1wb Год назад
I am quite convinced because I don't believe in talking serpents. But I do believe that the language was figuratively used.
@leekelly1718
@leekelly1718 2 года назад
That christian teacher speaks as if his livelihood depends on it..........ha
@jtstar10
@jtstar10 Год назад
If you are stuck in a room with this bible thumping dude, that would be hell! 🤣✌️
@richardlawson6787
@richardlawson6787 Год назад
Right?...he got the bible virus early in life and his family encouraged the ignorance which they themselves were exposed to...most people grow up and see through it but many never accept reality that doesn't confirm to their indoctrination....feel sorry for these otherwise intelligent hominids but in this area they agree to spew nonsence
@debunkingthefundamentalist
@debunkingthefundamentalist Год назад
Well, it isn't true to begin with horrible or not. The problem the apologists, as I say repeatedly in my own vids, is they ignore the fact that many Hebrew stories are modified stories from other cultures. No one could logically argue that the flood story came from the ancient Sumerians for example. So when they "prove" a historical "fact" or relic that they claim gives legitimacy to the Old Testament they really aren't. Or they find a piece of evidence for events in history and make this grand leap that it proves the entire bible story. Like when a piece of evidence showed Hebrew slaves. I'm sure there were some Hebrew slaves. But there is nothing to show global slavery nor exodus of what would have been several million people. That is a fallacy and the type of fallacy the apologists use in most of their arguments. Cheers, DCF
@paullever2085
@paullever2085 2 года назад
Thank you Dan....the key word is canonised...
@brianrichards3119
@brianrichards3119 2 года назад
I'm like Dan; ex fundamentalist Christian. Eventually my sense of self respect wore down my defence of the indefensible. I woke up, "saw the light" and left the church. A few years later I admitted to myself I was no longer a believer. That was thirty years ago. Now, when I hear Christians defending or explaining their faith, it's nothing short of embarrassing. I've heard all these arguments so many times and none of them hold any water. It's cringeworthy that anyone with a working brain could believe and follow a religion.
@ChillAssTurtle
@ChillAssTurtle 2 года назад
We really are just hairless dooky throwers XD
@alexjoneschannel
@alexjoneschannel 2 года назад
Without God our are thoughts nothing more then the arbitrary movement of neurons? Why would our thoughts be any more relevant to reason then the passing of wind? Never heard any naturalist give a good reason why reason matters in their view. Also to me the idea of an indefinite regress of events without a beginning of time is evident God exist. If you admit to there being a beginning to the universe you must understand nothing doesn't produce something. Theories about a multiverse or a collapsing and expanding universe fall victim to the same indefinite regress problem
@ChillAssTurtle
@ChillAssTurtle 2 года назад
@@alexjoneschannel reason is how we get airplanes and medicine.. religious dogma is how we get witch burnings.. you simple pig headed idioy
@alexjoneschannel
@alexjoneschannel 2 года назад
@@ChillAssTurtle That's no critique of what I proposed, just baseless anger. I'll reiterate what I said since you seemed not to understand. Why is the movement of neuron (brain activity) more meaningful to reason then the wind moving. Both are a result of seemingly arbitrary chaos of matter and and electrons colliding with each other. Basically I'm asking why does your thoughts matter if there is no objective standard to reason and truth. It seems to me in atheism human thoughts are no more meaningful then any other interaction, after all it's just matter and electric moving rather arbitrarily
@ChillAssTurtle
@ChillAssTurtle 2 года назад
@@alexjoneschannel why is brain chemistry more meaningful than the wind..? You domt even realize youre an idiot.. and thats pathetic XD
@atrociousmonsters3960
@atrociousmonsters3960 3 года назад
Why don't Christian apologists promote the bible with references to the unusual, outrageous, impossible, and almost totally unbelievable events that supposedly occurred, like other 'non-fiction' books usually do? I believe they don't because they realize how completely absurd, ridiculous, and mentally insufficient they would appear to be to any reasonably skeptical person. Instead, maybe not deliberately, to me it seems they've incorporated many tactics used by scammers, con men, shysty salesmen, etc. (ie fast-talking, jumping around, no pauses for punctuation, and more!!)
@strikethenine8755
@strikethenine8755 2 года назад
Wow… What intellect,what arrogance, what hostility…all summed up in one lovely comment… Good luck with that on the day you die.
@danwhite1198
@danwhite1198 Год назад
Faith defined: " Faith is all that you have left when you had nothing to begin with".
@davidbelway6076
@davidbelway6076 Год назад
Faith is the art of lying to yourself
@frankjames1955
@frankjames1955 Год назад
now ask if you even know what faith is
@robinrobyn1714
@robinrobyn1714 Год назад
That's idiotic. "Faith" is taken from the Koine Greek language word' Pistis', and it doesn't mean what you wrote.
@robinrobyn1714
@robinrobyn1714 Год назад
@@davidbelway6076 Atheism is the art of being pathologically ranting against something that doesn't exist according to the individual.
@danwhite1198
@danwhite1198 Год назад
@@robinrobyn1714 Idiotic is believing in gods based on words not evidence! Who cares where the word comes from.
@Good_Bloke-o6v
@Good_Bloke-o6v Год назад
I figured all of this out by the age of nine, the bible has a severe lack of correspondence with the real world, what I've always found absolutely astounding at the time and to this day was the fact that grown ups believe this stuff,
@seppomakinen2933
@seppomakinen2933 Год назад
😄
@MrInterestingthings
@MrInterestingthings Год назад
YOu said it . Correspondence with the real world. people go to the bible because it gives people what they want . People of course don't want to grow up !
@denemessina8601
@denemessina8601 Год назад
@@MrInterestingthings Absolutely. I just wish they would do something less dangerous with those urges. I recommend Lego.
@Sparkeycarp
@Sparkeycarp Год назад
It took me till I was 15 or 16. But I got clear and think scientifically. I still have a great love of history and archeology.
@Good_Bloke-o6v
@Good_Bloke-o6v Год назад
@@Sparkeycarp of course we must know history as to never repeat it, well not the bad parts anyway
@DrMikeE100
@DrMikeE100 6 дней назад
It's wonderful hearing Dan Barker calmly bringing rationality to those who propose Christian nonsense in their buy-bull. Hearing Tom preach in his tone-deaf manner that never addresses Dan's points is... well... just plain sad...
@isaacthegoat1432
@isaacthegoat1432 6 дней назад
Dan Barker is a clown.
@defenestratefalsehoods
@defenestratefalsehoods 3 года назад
Maybe the writing he is referring to was written after the events and passed off as an early writing. Notice he cant prove anything without the bible. There is little proof outside the bible other then some of the people and places talked about
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley 3 года назад
The Bible is a collection of fact and fiction thrown together by promoters of a Judeo/Christian cult that is largely based on word of mouth and belief in the supernatural.
@defenestratefalsehoods
@defenestratefalsehoods 3 года назад
@@JamesRichardWiley dont forget christianity is based on blood magick. In Exodus 24 Moses had the sprinkle blood on the altar and the people for his new covenant with God.
@ChillAssTurtle
@ChillAssTurtle 2 года назад
@@JamesRichardWiley roman church*
@corndoug2605
@corndoug2605 Год назад
The energy of the second guy is a little panic-inducing.
@videosight1
@videosight1 Год назад
This feels like a dog show pup running the course and bumping into everything
@Pol-Chinc
@Pol-Chinc Месяц назад
his delivery is stressful to listen too. besides heavy use of the filler "ah", I thought he was gonna hyperventilate. perhaps some tch and alcohol to relax...
@henrikrolfsen584
@henrikrolfsen584 2 года назад
Dan Barker has an excellent command of the American English language. In this New Information Age, with instant global data sharing, we need good communicators, like Dan Barker, more than ever!
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Год назад
As God Cares what you think about his words, the Bible... Western Godless and Souless idiot without objective morals... 🤣🤣 But how much you are stupid Godless and Souless idiot??? 😉
@robinrobyn1714
@robinrobyn1714 Год назад
Dan Barker was an imbecile.
@jorgeabuauad
@jorgeabuauad Год назад
He is wrong I have evidence
@stevehorn1471
@stevehorn1471 Год назад
@@jorgeabuauad spill it then.
@jorgeabuauad
@jorgeabuauad Год назад
@@stevehorn1471 my shame is I was invited to a real satanic sect , I was an atheist, for my it was a just role playing , maybe some sexual thing in the beginning, before I join I wanted to be sure what I was doing , so got many old books about esoteric doctrines , ancients religion , what you could call physics phenomena, etc the lost is not complete . In the beginning nothing seem to happen , the truth is demonic entity are real , think about them as life form that precede human being , the ufo phenomena the ones that are not a fake , is caused by the intersection of this entity in our reality Depending the historical moment , the populous have different interpretations, the truth is keep only for the elites , yes even the very scientists who create the theories that discredit religion are part of it , in public they can pretend to be atheist, agnostic, other religion , free thinker or even Christian , yes is complete model of dominion , the only reason I found out is is my stupid obsession with finding secrets . The cost of trying to learn the truth is a paradox , for you to have real evidence, you need to learn how he very thing that destroy you , yes to learn the truth at this level is almost certain your soul will be condemn to hell , the very think no human should ever do . Imagine my terror when paranormal phenomena manifest, to live knowing this is the most depressing thing you can know , your life change , you almost breadth fear every day of your life and the real end can be so terrible you would almost anything to avoid it he end . If you think this a joke let me warn you , some people like me turn against them , most never love to say the truth and even less ever hear them , this is your best chance ever to to know the truth. Tell me what do you need to know .
@TheRealShrike
@TheRealShrike 5 месяцев назад
Dan Barker's debate opponent fundamentally misunderstands what scholarship is.
@hellofranky99
@hellofranky99 Год назад
I can't stand biblical literalists. "The Bible is literally true and factual because it is the word of God. And I know Bible is the word of God because the Bible says so."
@Phoenix-King-ozai
@Phoenix-King-ozai 2 года назад
The OT should be classified as a Dark Fantasy Horror But really bad C grade pulp fiction with a Villain protagonist
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
"He that believeth on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36)
@user-bo8nb2mi
@user-bo8nb2mi Год назад
Ww2 horrors were no fiction. Neither is Hebrew bible account fiction.
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
Christian Knowledge anticipates the mode what it means to be a Christian and how to live a Christian life. For all of the effort that we put into our preaching, we apparently find, to our disappointment, that our listeners are ignorant of the basics- a situation that reflects badly on the publicans. With challenges to Reformed orthodoxy all around in the forms of Arminianism, deism, and other "fashionable schemes," it is vital for us to be well-armed with historical truth so that we can repel heterodox invasion. It may well be, too, that we hear, and try to lay the groundwork for a new revival among people. Apostle Paul's admonition to the Christian Hebrews aptly suit our case. If we have a want of proficiency in the knowledge of Christian teachings. Like Paul, I'm not speaking of divine or experimental knowledge but of doctrinal knowledge that can be received by the Holy Spirit. Thus, when people have been able to digest "strong meat," my listeners are still babes who requires "milk of of the word that they can grow thereby." In the Doctrine, we move progressively through four propositions. We begin with defining "divinity" as that which concerns the great things of religion and, more specifically, "the doctrine of living to God by Christ." Given this definition, what kind of knowledge is to be sought first? Where does the Christian begin? Let us identify speculative, or intellectual, knowledge and practical knowledge, which abides in a sense of the heart. Seek the former in order to gain the latter. Rather than being exclusive of each other, the two are integrally connected. Speculative knowledge is the essential building block because, without it, the means of grace are in vain. Both require a certain fund of knowledge in the recipient to be effective. Finally, Christians should endeavor to grow in this sort of knowledge; they should "make a business of it." God gave humankind the faculty of understanding for this very end. The things of divinity are, in themselves, "things of superlative excellency" and therefore worthy of being sought. As such, they are of infinite concern to the Christian. Even more, God has left us a guide in the form of his revealed Word and has appointed ministers to teach what is written there. The Application brims with practical advice. Let me begin by telling you not to be content with a nominal amount of knowledge: "your catechism" and "as much of the principle of religion as is necessary to salvation." Instead, seek to excel in knowledge of divinity. As is so often my strategy, the (AV), Authorized Version, also called the King James Version gives you all what is needed to be a spiritual elite saint with a humble pie in your face. People should seek to edify one another and expand one another's knowledge. My own obsession with Scripture reading alone will become a regular theme in sermons on the street in Waikiki, while minister one to one, the knowledge of diverting in exuberant exhortation and Faith by Grace is the all in all. My criticism of christians is that they talk too much of worldly matters, of public affairs and contentions. They would benefit from serious pursuit of Christian knowledge as a way of weaning them from the world. If all would only seek such knowledge, they would find it a "noble," "pleasant," and "useful" way. I conclude with a list of practical directions on how to gain knowledge, including reading and searching the Scriptures, avoiding vain conversation, and seeking spiritual benefits. "Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel" (Philippians 1:27).
@rembrandt972ify
@rembrandt972ify Год назад
In my opinion, the New Testament is even worse.
@johndavis9591
@johndavis9591 3 года назад
Word salad is not evidence..
@avi8251
@avi8251 2 года назад
Lol! "...you're very articulate".
@ziploc2000
@ziploc2000 Год назад
The second speaker says no archeological evidence has contradicted anything in the old testament, but failed to provide anything to support this assertion. In fact the opposite is true. As Dan said, cities referred to in the old testament didn't exist at the time. There is no evidence of millions of slaves living in Egypt, let alone exiting en masse and wandering in the desert, taking years to complete a journey that should take weeks, getting lost when all they had to do was follow the coast, etc. etc. There has never been a global flood. And so on.
@aquila813apologetics3
@aquila813apologetics3 Год назад
the numbers saying 603550 fighting men in Exodus 38 which implies a few million in total is impossible, it was merely hyperbolic, this goes on all the time where numbers in the old testament are deliberately inflated and excessively large, was just a literary device of the time. It surely was just a few thousand runaway slaves in total. As for the flood, there's loads of evidence. Fossils and numerous records of flood myths that have been found in practically all ancient cultures.
@DanielL143
@DanielL143 Год назад
Why doesn't Jesus just appear and end the debate - LOL (I think we know why).
@expandingknowledge8269
@expandingknowledge8269 Год назад
Must be more important issues in the world, for these individuals to address, than arguing about non existent beings. Absolutely no relevance in the 21st century. The rest of us have moved on.
@kirklandraab1999
@kirklandraab1999 Год назад
It's a lip smacking good time when the fidgeting apologist speaks, whom Dan demolished in his rebuttal.
@johnmcleod8961
@johnmcleod8961 2 года назад
i have not found one person, regardless of education, who can beat DB in a debate...the man has a laser logic that only a fool can deny...he simply makes the case...FAITH: pretending to know shit u just don't know...that's why it's called "faith"...but if u know for certain, it's knowledge, not faith.
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
The Holy Spirit speaks (1 Timothy 4:1; Revelation 2:7); He demonstrates (1 Corinthians 2:4); He intercedes (Romans 8:26); He quickens (Romans 8:11); He gives utterance (Acts 2:4); He creates (Psalm 104:30); He comforts (John 14:26); He sheds abroad the love of God in my heart (Romans 5:5); He renews (Titus 3:5). He is the Spirit of holiness (Romans 1:4), the Spirit of wisdom and understanding (Isaiah 11:2; Ephesians 1:17), the Spirit of truth (John 14:17); The Spirit of knowledge (Isaiah 11:2), the Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29), the Spirit of glory (1 Peter 4:14), the Spirit of my God (1 Corinthians 6:11), the Spirit of the living God (II Corinthians 3:3), the good Spirit (Nehemiah 9:20), the Spirit of Christ (1 Peter 1:11), the Spirit of adoption (Romans 8:15), the Spirit of life (Revelation 11:11), and the Spirit of His Son (Galatians 4:6). Such is the Holy Spirit by whom John Stewart is sanctified (II Thessalonians 2:13), "the eternal Spirit" by whom "Christ offered Himself without spot to God" (Hebrews 9:14). Such is the Holy Spirit by whom I am "sealed unto the day of redemption" (Ephesians 4:30), the Spirit who makes me His habitation (Ephesians 2:22), who dwelleth in me (II Timothy 1:14), by whom I am kept looking to and looking for Christ and by whom I am made to "abound in hope" (Romans 15:13). John Stewart ~ hbh@email.com
@homeontherange733
@homeontherange733 Год назад
As an agnostic, i will be quoting your definition of FAITH. Well done!
@homeontherange733
@homeontherange733 Год назад
@@johnstewart4350 As an agnostic, i will be quoting your definition of FAITH. Well done!
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
@@homeontherange733 There are three basic types of agnostics. The first says, 'I don't know, but I wish I did.' The second says, 'I don't know, and I don't care.' The last says, 'I don't know, you don't know, and nobody can know.' The first type of agnostic is a searcher. If his searching is honest, he will find the answers he is looking for. No hungry heart ever goes unfed. The second option is extremely foolish. This kind of agnostic is too lazy to search for answers. Indeed, he does not even want to be bothered with the questions. To say, I don't know and don't care is to admit that you don't even know if not caring is wise. God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. What would you say? Your basis for rejecting my truth claims about God is your assumption of another truth about God. You are saying that God is such that he cannot be known by man. You are claiming to know something about God. This claim to knowledge is inconsistent with your claim to be an agnostic. In order to have truth about God, it must be given us by God. But in order to make the denial, you have to say something true about God. You have to say that God may be there, and if He is, He is the sort of being who is incapable of communicating truth to man. Either that, or He is unwilling to. In either case, you are claiming to know something about God. Where did you get this knowledge about God? When Jesus Christ judges the world, that truth will be completely evident. The one who will judge is the same one who died and rose again. That death was for sinners and is offered to sinners. Those sinners who reject to be forgiven cannot complain of unfairness when God does not apply it to them.
@homeontherange733
@homeontherange733 Год назад
@@johnstewart4350 I know I don't know. I am open to to know. If there is a Good, that would be great. If there is not, then I'm good with that.
@Brammy007a
@Brammy007a Год назад
What is really sad is that this kind of debate is even necessary. The christian apologist in this video is pathetic.
@Mr.MikeTarrab
@Mr.MikeTarrab Год назад
It's so funny that there is people believe that the old testament is fact.
@oker59
@oker59 5 лет назад
Ezekial mentions Daniel, but not Isaiah, Jeremiah, and even Elijah. Clearly, Daniel must be some ancient name that nobody can say anything about(mythologists do this all the time; they put them in obscure places and times so nobody can say anything about the mythology)
@oker59
@oker59 5 лет назад
Mentioning Daniel, is like saying Jesus Christ is from Melchisedeck.
@danielpaulson8838
@danielpaulson8838 Год назад
The Old Testament is framed on the template of the hero’s journey. It’s as viable as Jason and the Argonauts. Just a different genre of story telling. People today lost what to do with them. Theists think they’re historical. I presume, as do others, that’s a fear based thing.
@haraldisdead
@haraldisdead 2 года назад
I guess some people still need to see this. Insane.
@mjs28s
@mjs28s Год назад
The "prophecies" in Daniel are no more specific than the vague Nostradamus predictions.
@swayzy762
@swayzy762 2 года назад
This experience the last few weeks are like finding out Santa's fake all over again.... heart breaking. I wanted the truth though.. I won't start regretting any choices now.
@brianchojnowski5989
@brianchojnowski5989 2 года назад
I just went through this the last year as well. It’s pretty tough and you can get pretty angry or sad at times. A good resource for me was Recovering From Religion. Stay strong buddy!
@agentfmib9206
@agentfmib9206 Год назад
When you begin to ponder the benefit of its promulgation and consider who benefits from the indoctrination, you will find there is no pain to hold on to. :)
@swayzy762
@swayzy762 Год назад
@@agentfmib9206 I moved in with my uncle 600 miles from where i grew up in 2020 to start fresh in life and rekindle my relationship with God/Jesus. They were mormons so I knew it would be extreme religious environment but seeing my uncle sending his church $1,000/month while also giving them free labor as an accountant, and paying them to send his kids across country on a mission to recruit people to their church for 2 years made me start digging deeper into what was going on. I don't feel bad for myself. Them........ Mmmmm. I don't even know how to face them and go with it...
@bradgaines
@bradgaines Год назад
To me it was amazing not having to worry about going to hell anymore.
@swayzy762
@swayzy762 Год назад
@@bradgaines I never really worried about it previously. My belief in a God was formed from a bias that said God loved me and therefore surely his hrand plan COULDNT end with ME in hell. Religion is a huge thought experiment fortunately for you or anyone else that ever feared hell. You'll do what you're told by anyone who says your eternity rests in your servitude toward man, for God. Lol. Funny how that works. I'm so mad at myself.
@jemweak2307
@jemweak2307 4 года назад
In my dreams ducks talk
@h3fan725
@h3fan725 2 года назад
The Christian spoke so fast to hope no one understood or questioned him so he could keep the fake illusion of his faith
@janglandis773
@janglandis773 2 года назад
That is what Jordan Peterson does as well.
@anthonyharty1732
@anthonyharty1732 Год назад
He is on crack he spoke that fast. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@wprandall2452
@wprandall2452 Год назад
Then_how_do_you_know_he_is_fake?_i_was_able_to_understand_him.
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
"He that believeth on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36)
@h3fan725
@h3fan725 Год назад
@@johnstewart4350 bullshit
@kevin_hart
@kevin_hart 2 года назад
The Christian guy is not debating he is just reading a book that someone wrote.
@rsr789
@rsr789 Год назад
Yup, the bible is true because the bible says it's true... pure circular logic.
@toni4729
@toni4729 Год назад
@@rsr789 Yes, God says, you MUST BELIEVE.
@ext1013
@ext1013 Год назад
what is the second speaker trying to prove? or he is just proving the fictionality of the bible.
@petermetcalfe6722
@petermetcalfe6722 Год назад
Tom should watch Seth Andrews video called "How Christianity made me talk like an idiot."
@donaldcook2484
@donaldcook2484 Год назад
This should truly be a wake up call for the delusional believers!
@richardlawson6787
@richardlawson6787 Год назад
The wakeup call is the opening sentences of the bible ..pure ignorance...zero understanding of science ...rubbish ..
@ThomasEWalker
@ThomasEWalker Год назад
My father in law was Dean of Religion for a college for nearly 50 years. PhD scholar with six languages to study the original materials and a truly amazing memory. His comment was clear: "Anyone who thinks the Bible is literally true is an idiot," followed by "It was never meant to be taken literally." Cheers.
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
"He that believeth on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36)
@ThomasEWalker
@ThomasEWalker Год назад
@@johnstewart4350 So what? That kind of *literature* is used to justify unjustifiable arrogance. It is essentially no different from any of the other crap in there.
@hadesdescent6664
@hadesdescent6664 Год назад
Bible is not true at all! If never meant to be literally taken then what was the intention?
@debshaw2490
@debshaw2490 Год назад
The old testament is at least 5000 years old.How could anyone with a brain think it s exactly as writtern.I hate the horrid thing he said about God.It s so disrespectful and just plane mean but, god wanted people love and respect everyone and mistakes would teach you to be a better person.He was forming the life and morals of the human race not play evil games for fun.I am a jew who has read that Bible hundreds of times.Yes god could be mean but in a learning way to teach us.But basically He was a warm and living god who taught us to live with our enemies.He loved us so much we were his chosen people because in his eyes we were the best.He saved our male children in Egypt,freed us from slavery gave us Moses and the 10 commandments.,he gave us the arc of the covenant which produced manna a food that fed the Jews in the dessert for 40 year to isreal.I don t call that a miserable mean person.He was a teacher and a god he is the holy of holies and I love him.He also brought Christians a blessed leader as well as a teacher.How can you say such horrid thing about our holy wounderful God????
@markmanenator
@markmanenator Год назад
So it is about control then? Thanks for confirming.
@petermetcalfe6722
@petermetcalfe6722 Год назад
Poor Tom, he is so deluded. He should have been extremely embarrassed at the end of this debate.
@dennisbuyse258
@dennisbuyse258 Год назад
"Thank you Tom... you are a very likable person... and very brave." That was like a compliment followed by a slap xD
@petermetcalfe6722
@petermetcalfe6722 Год назад
@@dennisbuyse258 It was indeed.
@richardlawson6787
@richardlawson6787 Год назад
Imagine arguing Zeus and Apollo are real gods...yes...christians should be embarrassed ...
@_Omega_Weapon
@_Omega_Weapon Год назад
Funny how he likes to sidestep the prophecy about Tyre, which failed miserably 😂 Religion is a plague upon humanity.
@mikebrown9850
@mikebrown9850 Месяц назад
Says the pot to the potter! 🤣😂🤡🤯 As I write this, I have friends on the Ophel in Jerusalem who are literally digging up the Old Testament!
@AmitKumar-qz2us
@AmitKumar-qz2us 2 года назад
"It is from the Bible that man has learned Cruelty, Rapine, Genocide and Slavery for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.” It would be more consistent that we call [the Bible] the work of a demon than the word of God. In the entire first Christian century Jesus was not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! references." "Jesus Christ Was never Exist "
@freddan6fly
@freddan6fly 2 года назад
@@marketandeat7828 Got evidence? No God and jesus are most probably man made.
@strikethenine8755
@strikethenine8755 2 года назад
Hate to tell you this …cruelty comes from man the way men treat men because they’re selfish self-centered narcissists and fallen and arrogant just like you… Think about that tonight instead of your bullshit. Seems like you should study a little deeper.
@anthonyharty1732
@anthonyharty1732 Год назад
@@marketandeat7828 Give me the EVIDENCE that this happened and the EVIDENCE of your ‘God’ I’ll wait. 😂🤣😂
@Bible_bits
@Bible_bits День назад
Josephus?
@LUKEMAN4
@LUKEMAN4 Год назад
I am embarrassed to say that it took me until my 30s to finally apply critical thinking to my cherished beliefs. A God that takes joy in blood sacrifices and obsessed with foreskins is so odd to me now that I am free from Christianity.
@hughjarrse
@hughjarrse Год назад
It's hardly you fault, it's simply a matter of location, I live in England and never considered scriptures or the bible to have any actual truth, I never went to church, in fact I don't know anyone that did, had I lived somewhere that church and bible was a daily thing it's quite possible I would have believed some of it..... that's the trick fill young minds with crap and hope some stays put.
@luigicastin3692
@luigicastin3692 Год назад
Congratulations bro. I never believed it since I was a kid. That benevolent God never made sense to me. But I hung on it ( attempting to convince myself every day ) because of fear to find myself one day in hell , being burned forever. I was on in my 30 when browsing RU-vid; unexpectedly: a debate ( does God exist ) between Dan Brker and Kyle Butt popped up in my screen. I watched the entire debate and I started yo read the bible ( stupidest book ever writen ) Yeeaaapp ! It did take long to draw the conclusion that no way such a stupid character can the architect of such complicated and sophisticated universe. And , because I can't assimilate the two ; therefore: none of them exist for me.
@garrybooker
@garrybooker 2 года назад
If we all grew up believing cats can talk miraculously, and if you disagree you will burn forever, we’d be in the same position we are now.
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
ESCAPE THE VENGEANCE OF ETERNAL DAMNATION BY BELIEVING JESUS CHRIST CONQUERED DEATH AND HELL ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY BY SHEDDING HIS BLOOD, FORGIVING THE SINS OF THE BELIEVER THROUGH SAVING FAITH IN ETERNAL SALVATION. DO NOT TRUST IN YOUR OWN GOOD WORKS AND SELF HELP. PRAY THIS PRAYER WITH ME: JESUS, I NOW BELIEVE BY FAITH ALONE THAT YOU HAVE DIED FOR MY SINS AND WAS RESURRECTED THE THIRD DAY. SAVE MY SOUL AND BE MY LORD AND SAVIOUR.
@poozer1986
@poozer1986 Год назад
@@johnstewart4350 oh do shut up, you insufferable moron
@dasgelbevomei4739
@dasgelbevomei4739 Год назад
I would very much like to believe that cats can talk. Sadly, they don't. So the beauty of their meows has to suffice.
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
@@dasgelbevomei4739 The Triune God reads our minds because he created us, and we are guilty if not worship the glorious Lord God Almighty Jesus Christ, that we may escape eternal damnation in hell as dying in our sins, instead of Everlasting Joy in New Jerusalem !!
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
@Brendan Butler "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:18-20) Ps: No bot are filled with the Spirit of the Living Lord God Almighty Jesus Christ !!
@marshlightning
@marshlightning Месяц назад
I always find it incredible that one guy is promoting rational thought and the other guy is defending invisible beings with magical powers from the Bronze/Iron Age as if they are real.
@jc-tu6pg
@jc-tu6pg 2 месяца назад
If I went to the most devout Christians and told them that God told me to kill my son (Abraham story), how many of them would actually believe me and/or condone it? Yet Christians praise Abraham for deciding to kill his son. Oh the hypocrisy
@jackrosario9990
@jackrosario9990 Год назад
The only miracle is the New York Mets winning game 6 of the 1986 world series I believe my cat talked that night!
@tr3ylv1
@tr3ylv1 2 года назад
This is pure gold 😂😂😂
@Chuked
@Chuked 2 года назад
Fr fr
@robinrobyn1714
@robinrobyn1714 Год назад
An imbecile ranting against something that doesn't exist 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Pure comedy!!
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
"He that believeth on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36)
@denemessina8601
@denemessina8601 Год назад
@@johnstewart4350 More threats from your Deity? He seems fond of making those. What a kind and forgiving being he truly is. In my experience, those who attempt to rule by fear have little else to offer.
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Год назад
@@denemessina8601 God offers you forgiveness of sins right now and here. You don't have to end up in hell with all others on this antichrist page... Ps: "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:18-20)
@tangobear3536
@tangobear3536 Год назад
It's a bit disrespectful to not name the other guy in the video description. Whether you agree with him or not, he's a human being worthy of being identified; even Dan Barker acknowledges his courage in participating. At least he's there, in the arena, being vulnerable, stating his position, not hiding. Like him or not, it's admirable. Most people wouldn't do it.
@DrMikeE100
@DrMikeE100 6 дней назад
That's your cry-baby whine? Not respectful to name the religious progogandist spreading bullshit? Perpetuating nonsense? ... But you're worried about not being named?
@tangobear3536
@tangobear3536 5 дней назад
@@DrMikeE100 Triggered a bit?
@cameron9119
@cameron9119 Год назад
It all comes down to faith. 2.2 Billion christians and almost 2 Billion Muslims vs 500 million Atheist.
@Rog5446
@Rog5446 Год назад
All those prophecies from the book of Daniel did not identify one known historical figure, or one known historical nation. If I predict that a president from a nation in the north would attack and defeat a president and his nation from the south, that could happen, but unless I stated names and countries, it cannot prove that I knew it would happen.
@ziploc2000
@ziploc2000 Год назад
Especially if you write after the events.
@mikewilliams235
@mikewilliams235 Год назад
Every one of those words are human words.
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