Daniel Confronts Devon About Their Friendship Fall Out | Ep68 

Devin doing mental gymnastics to convince himself he wasn’t finessed into that cult is so entertaining lol

My heart is so full right now 🥹🩷 so happy you guys loved your tumblers, your reactions never cease to make me smile from ear to ear for months lol

Losing a friend like Daniel must be soul crushing you need a tank like that in your life a real bro.

Like if you agree Dev should’ve offered a more direct & genuine apology for hurting his friend, instead of offering his perspective on how it could’ve helped Daniel out. Still, best episode to date🙌🏽

You go to therapy, get a hobby, or join a sports league for personal development. You don’t join a cult. LA has done a number on Devon. Wow.

Let me just say- Daniel just dropped a PhD level course on being a black american in the modern world. "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." Take into consideration that as human beings, black americans also grow up with pre concieved notions of oneself, our culture, and how others view us. I went through the EXACT same experience as Daniel in my 20's. Third generation Army veteran... but I can't trust in he pledge or my white battle brothers because of how I viewed their view of me. Ended up in the psychward myself in the midst of the George Floyd protests. Mentally killing myself for the fault of an unjust system. I chose to live, and learn what that truely means, for my sake. I traveled to Argentina during the pandemic just to try something different. Then Uruguay, then Canada. I fell in love. I fell in love to be viewed outside the hyper violent lense that was american racism. I'd take the standard label of foreigner any day. I've travelled throughout South America, and Europe- its my drug of life. Meeting those engaged with human curiousity beats stressing myself over the opinions of the maliciously ignorant. Some people just dont like you. Thats NOT on you. I found the breathe to be my trueself once I travelled outside of America. When I came back- I kept it, and actively fight for it everyday. But its a space for my sake that I deeply cherish. I see that Daniel as also developed that sense of space and chooses to write his story how he deems. Just want to say I fucking love this podcast. You guys are real genuine people openly expressing real genuine thoughts. To feel like I'd reach a level of being seen to this extent- jesus. Ya'll are amazing- seriously. All the love.

that's an adult tip: don't get into seminars and self help cults and shit. Especially if they're not paying you.

Everyone needs a Daniel in your life to keep you grounded. And when you have one and they get mad at you like that then you know you effed up. Glad you guys were able to mend and move forward.

I know Devon means well, but I find his reaction to Daniel a bit minimizing. You can’t keep saying sorry and then explain how you just meant well, or try to justify your actions because Daniel wasn’t doing great mentally. Impact versus intent my friend.

This episode was a little tough to watch at certain points, and I appreciated that. Dan had a lot of thoughts about this I feel like he never got out. I appreciated Daniel's full cynicism towards the situation (as I would and do feel), but Devin's understanding that it was hurtful. Even Devin doing this silly thing at one point still speaks to his openness and his positive personality. Good stuff.

30:52 “That self help group could’ve helped me.” “could’ve helped ya out of $500.” 😂😂😂

That cult still has Devon in their hands to this day lol 😭😭

Love that Devon kind of dances around the fact it was a cult ("diet cult" lmaoo) or that some part of the cult was still positive for him. Meanwhile, Daniel has no problem being like "Nah dude it was a straight up cult that wants your money." 😂 And it actually shouldn't matter if you had a positive experience initially because I'm pretty sure all cult members do and that's how they are pulled in. Lol

They never even got to do the rewatch😂

"Coulda helped you out of 500 bucks" 😂

Mf can’t even say sorry and mean it

Devon is yapping to the max bro. It’s a cult. Daniel wanted to tell you to stfu so bad lmao.

I’m not even mad that Daniel was the focus of the podcast, this one was GREAT. What a funny story to hear about after the fact haha

devon offering the workshops probably made daniel mental state WORSE at the time. and dev dares to say ''if you would have come with me youd probably not having that mental breakdown''... and devon even refuses to take accountability about it.

Devon, my man, just apologize to Dan and say you’re sorry. Don’t try to justify it. Especially knowing now what that cult stands for. Bringing up hurtful experiences doesn’t always have to mean there’s someone that was right, someone wrong. It’s like Devon refused to accept he was wrong the whole podcast. Own up. Dan looked noticeably pissed off listening to Devon NOT apologize and own up.

15:57 the “Naw it can’t be” is from the soul

its so beautiful Daniel was able to call out Ned and hold him accountable without it being taken as offense! more discussions like this pls ❤

I love nothing more than when you all do episodes talking about real life shit. I love the show but there’s something so magnetic and cathartic watching you all talk about your real life experiences, traumas, and learning life lessons. So good!

Really interesting Daniel’s trip to Europe. It reminded me of listening to James Baldwin talk about leaving America to live in Europe. He roughly said that in America he could not exist as anything other than a black man and that the deep racial divisions at the core of America made it impossible for him to be himself. It was in Europe that he could be a black man, and a writer, an artist, a critc, and a gay man. Granted that was a long time ago and the world has rapidly changed since then. But it’s interesting to consider the American element there and America’s relationship with race. Great episode, never comment but I was so fascinated. You all are just have such a natural and real rapport. Even during the commercials, it’s always apparent you guys love to work together and I’m just lucky to be able to watch it happen. Magic in a bottle you all.

Devins dramatic lack of empathy is pathological. This is the same behavior we saw with the reaction to the drake bell “joke”.

Thank you for sharing Daniel, fr. I grew up in Omaha,Ne Catholic schools with South African refugee parents so I was definitely a minority in all the spaces I went. I'm 31 & to this day question my place. I'm married to a white man and have 2 kids &, although I love him & wouldn't wanna be with anyone else, I'd be lying if I said I never notice differences between us due to our backgrounds. Hearing someone else wrestle with race & their place in the way you articulated it made me feel less crazy/alone & more seen.

I’m sorry but whenever I first started watching I liked Devin until I realized he’s the type that is just like “I’m a free spirit maaaannn” free spirit=no morals.

Devon, blink twice if you’re still in that cult 😂

I feel as thought Daniel’s biggest hang up was the money aspect haha like the amount of times he said “gimme $500”. This was hard to watch but entertaining 😄

I really do hope when Devon & Daniel reunited for the first time Devon gave a legit apology because all I hear is a lot of deflection.

It’s crazy because my family roped me into the same types of seminars in Puerto Rico when I spent some time living down there in my early 20s they really honey pot you in the same ways Devon described

Devon a bad friend for that and even apologizing he still keeps trying to justify his actions on his side…Just say sorry and stop trying to put it on his mental breakdown 🤦🏽‍♂️

Dan the Man! I luv your example of the Ugandans 🙌 I grew up hood and drop N bombs (shamefully admitted, SMH life) Never in a derogatory way, not even close. I've been the target of racial slurs and understand for the most part, especially that it's still wrong reguardless but, w that said, I've felt more uneasy referring to folks as "black" ppl. It's actually pretty comical from the outside, a very primitive outlook imo. .. Ignorant to say the least. Anyway, great episode! Nice touching down w ya. God bless. Peace!

What a joy it is to find this channel on YT! I was passionate about this series in my childhood, I think it was my favorite, I never missed an episode. What a nostalgic feeling. This show was incredible! Very refined humor for a children's standard, covering many fun and iconic themes (the scene with the little monkey getting angry hahahahah). It feels like it was just yesterday that I was a kid watching a marathon of "Ned's Declassified" on Nickelodeon. Seriously, such comforting nostalgia! I hope you can see this message, you have no idea how important you were in my childhood. Hugs from Brazil.

My podcast app recommended this podcast, specifically this episode. I heard you say "Those of you watching" so I looked up the channel. Watched your guys show when I was younger. I must say though, it's weird hearing you swear. It doesn't bother me in the least; I swear like a sailor, but still odd for me to hear it lol.

Holy shit😅 it only felt like devin didnt understand anything daniel was trying to say. Just “yea…. Well this is how I felt and my perspective and dang I understand what you mean this is how it was for me”

Love this episode so much. The honestly and proof of growth is insane. I hope you guys all stay friends and work together for the rest of your careers because this friendship triangle is something special ❤

I don’t know what Lindsey has been doing for herself, but whatever it is, it’s working. She looks GREAT.

This episode just further proves Daniel is the best one out of the trio even though we already knew that

We need a just Daniel episode. I am really interested in his experience and journey into trying to find out where he belongs.

Props to both Daniel AND Devon for being vulnerable. And Lindsay for being there too lol.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you don't befriend those in the entertainment industry lol

Damn, Lindsey always blindsildes me with her intelligence. I love that she can be playful and silly, then bring up retroactive minimalization with 2 relevant examples.

Daniel spitting facts!!!. And teaching us all!!. Wow, thank you, i learned something today! Thank you for sharing, Daniel!

Id assume devons was more Pyramid scheme than culty lol

This was 🔥🔥🔥🔥 real life friendship development going through some crazy shit puts this podcast in another league

This conversation reminds me of Boy Meets World's "Cult Fiction" (which funny enough will be reviewed this Thursay on Pod Meets World). Shawn was looking for answers and they got him.

Hi big fan from neds to the podcast. This episode hit hard, I can relate to both Devon and Daniel. I’m a ex member of a Los Angeles mega church was involved since I was a child til I was in my early 20s. When I left I was going through a similar time like Daniel’s, where I questioned the church, the people, it hurt me the most when a child hood friend of mine, tried to get me to sign up for a business pyramid scam. For a minute I couldn’t trust people. I would skateboard by myself a lot, little but surely, every thing answered its own question, then I started finding people and reconnecting with the best attention, now I have friends and family that except for me and I’ve been out the church now for a little over 10 years now. Thank you for this episode.

I had somebody from college try to get me to join one of those Amway groups that's an MLM and a cult at once. I found myself thinking there's aspects of this that I could see being helpful, but I'm never gonna put in the effort to run this shitty online store

Reminds me of when I was a Jehovah’s Witness. Every convo I had a hidden agenda to get the person to convert 😮‍💨

Daniel, trying to flee from racism: "Let's go to Spain! :D"

This mood commercials relating to the real life problems fr 😂 ppl with BPD know the extreme emotions to just the worst things that could happen 😅 way better than take this and be happy

When will the DROPOUTS be on? They said they rescheduled with you guys! ♥️ Also, that was definitely a cult! 😂

At least Lindsay happy on her cocaine 😂

God I wish I could find what program devon was in. Not knowing is just killing me lol

Only difference between cult and religion is mass acceptance

Guess I’ll throw my two cents in here too! Love you guys, but I agree with the rest of the audience! Dev hurt Dan, and seemed soooo resistant to actually apologizing without trying to justify/gaslight himself! Apologize, Dev. Just a straight apology. If you didn’t do it on the pod which IS public facing, knowing what people may think while still saying they could have helped, there’s no way you gave him a sincere apology in person/real life!

This episode can be described in one word: "yikes".

They could never recap another episode and I’d still watch

amazing tip... 'Join a cult' Starting to wonder why I continue to watch these... I'd feel more comfortable with 30 minutes of banter reminiscing about the episodes. Not this incredibly preachy content we're getting every week

Ok but Lindsey and Daniel’s friendship ❤

Daniel, if everybody thought like you, the world would be a much much better place. Love you man.

I’ve been watching for awhile and I can’t ever shake the feeling/notion that Devon still thinks he’s Ned….

Love the honesty and growth!

Oh we getting cancelled today! I am here for this :D! Love the truth in this podcast

I almost got trapped in the scientology building and it literally felt like I couldn't leave. Daniel is right they don't respect time and you literally have to be rude asf just to leave

I am confused so did Devin did it for the money? 🤣. How many times is he going to say it wasn't!

7:55 I heard “trying to have lunch with my dog to talk about real life stuff” … man, thats an inquisitive canine 🫣🤣

Another pod to make work go by!! Love you guys❤️

This is the content you guys ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 this could have went on for a couple hours

For once the spotlight is on Daniel & no one is receptive or considerate. oof. Dont worry man, we hear you!

devin should really look into the teachings in the Mormon church if he is interested in cults or cult-like stuff.

Great Pod 😌 Heartfelt 🙏🏾 Thanks for your Survival Guys

Second 🤗 Devon let’s go to burning man with Daniel 😜

I will be next on your Podcast you three🥰🥰🥰😀😀😀😏😏😏💯💯

Every Cause has an Affect and every Affect has a Cause

One of thee only podcasts I watch the ads for ♡

I hope next video be other casts of the huge crew?

Just catching up on the podcasts and want to say that Daniel's point at around 43 minutes in, where he discusses his journey and how the definitions that others place on you can define how you see the world. So poignant. I could probably listen to a whole video on Daniel's thoughts on the subject, it was very well articulated. Glad your friendship survived! Lindsey's tip: "If it's true love/friendship, it'll come back." Also a really good thing to internalise. The best friendships and relationships won't degrade over time, they allow you to change and grow together.

Thanks for clarifying! I'm not a fan of misunderstanding, def believe in the truth and Devon and Daniel bumping heads cause of bad timing Is a prime example of why. Ppl can learn much ✊️ Thanks again! I'm glad y'all rekindled. The power of Ned's! Lol ✌️

This was an amazing episode. I love hearing this from Daniel. I do wonder why we’re uncomfortable saying “I’m a descendent of slaves. ___is my struggle and racism exists” I believe whole heartedly that we shouldn’t allow that to define us. And - not hesitate when speaking on it, because it make anyone else uncomfortable.

Daniel you're amazing

Devon I totally understand man. Its easy to get caught up in what you think is improving your life and you end up selling out. I'm glad you all were able to talk it out.

First

I love you guys. That’s all.

I'm glad daniel is speaking up about his experiences. This was a GREAT EPISODE . It's awesome to hear other perspectives, thoughts and feelings

Hiiiiii guys ❤❤❤❤ it’s so good to see you guys every Wednesday 😊

You have to offer Lizza the complimentary D now Devon after receiving that awesome gift! 😅

Idk I have mixed feelings. 1. You went to Scientology the biggest colt to try to get into, as well as another brother hood cult like program 2. He was probably seeing you mentally struggling and thought this could help you, because it was helping him. It seems like your head space was off and I don’t think he needed that bad of a cold shoulder.

This episode was absolutely amazing thank you Daniel for being so open and honest! Same goes for devin! & shoutout lindsey for being such a genuine caring friend who is really listening 😢❤i love yall!

I find myself admiring Daniel even more with each episode, such an amazing human being. Devon I also loved how you owned up to your past mistake for hurting your bro like that, I know I can relate. I effed up as well when I was about your age in my early 20s and lost a really good friend of mine, although it wasn't related to cult lol. Still, the takeaway and tips from this episode was lovely.

Next to the absurd amounts of money you usually have to spend in these cults, I think the worst part is that they basically let people ruin all their relationships by trying to convince their friends and family to join these groups as well... which conveniently makes people stay in these cults even more, because now they have no one else left in their life after they made every one lose their trust. I'm so happy you guys finally reconnected because it would've been such a shame to lose you guys' friendship over this.

After hearing this episode I’m glad the only cult I’m apart of….. is cultaholic 😂 (iykyk) deep episode love the pod.

Hearing about the memories you guys had together (even the bad) was so entertaining to hear! 😁I have to say I've been on both sides in my early twenties. Almost joined a cult-ish org AND had a friend try to sell me on something. That's willlddd!

I can't believe I'm getting high at work while listening to and Ned's Declassified Crew's weed ad I love this timeline! *edit Im so high I can't type right

There’s good people in the world guys💙y’all included, come become Hispanic we got you homies💙💙🤣

Love this episode. Truly you are all so magnetic. Talking real life is the good stuff. Also felt lik the boys needed that. Haha

I think everyone has had one of those moments. Alot of times for the average nonceleb its a high school person or childhood friend they haven't seen in awhile 😮‍💨

What group was Devin a part of? Can someone tell me? I’m so curious

I did not know that I really needed a “Daniel episode” but I really needed a Daniel episode!