Bonus, how I remember which order to cast for Wordwarden vs Pageflight Dark then Light, the owls take flight Light then Dark, book hits my mark That's not on a mug (yet?🤔) but you can check out the others in the store here: store.streamelements.com/thekengineer
Personally what works for me is how Dark and Light dictate what will happen → 1st Cast: Who does it affect? If teammates: Light If enemies: Dark → 2nd Cast: What is its purpose? If deal DMG: Dark If provide an effect: Light May seem like a lot but it's really easy to grasp.
Something to note about Tragedy. It scales in damage with status duration if you prime with a weapon. On release it didn't seem to work that way but after a couple patches it started working. If your Dark Verses kill off a group of enemies without having to use Tragedy you can "bank" using your 4 for another group of enemies that get primed by a weapon with status duration mods and blow them up with Tragedy. It scales really well.
Dante is so powerful he nerfed & buffed himself and everyone in the game in less than a week, while also casting Nyx's Chaos from his Noctura spellbook to cause community uproar. Legendary Warframe 🗿
I'd not yet checked the wiki and was settling in for 540 capillaries being needed. Was pleasantly surprised when his main BP dropped my first time clearing C rotation! Cut my expected farming in half right then and there.
I hate that Noctua is such a cool exalted weapon, and yet is the only power that doesn't ruin his entire mechanic when removed. Otherwise, he's pretty much going to be my main for the foreseeable future, i really love how he works!
11:40 Another thing to note about Wordwarden is that it can also proc Noctua's scan-on-kill passive. Obviously, Wordwarden needs to kill the target for that to happen, but it's nice to get the occasional free scan if you subsume Noctua off.
I was really happy to hear someone acknowledge the electric noctua archon stretch energy upkeep method, it's been more than enough for my build so far and I do find it worth giving up heat damage for electric since you can still have viral and it's innate slash to do priming and damage. The quartic scaling bit was AWESOME, can't believe I didn't catch that myself!
If you choose to subsume off Noctua (you briefly went over this at the end Ken, but I thought I'd connect it for everyone else) you can still use Wordwarden and Archon Stretch, to get energy regen. This pairs quite well with Nourish, which happens to be what I see subsumed on Dante the most.
I still don’t understand subsuming over his 1. Noctua is incredibly OP, and there are so many easier ways to keep energy up (yellow shards, arcanes, Operator abilities, etc). With arcane energize, I haven’t come close to having energy issues. And Noctua is powerful enough to never even need to use my main weapons.
@@matyaskomjathi6511 I mean I get it, just don’t really agree with it too much 🤷🏽♂️ especially with how you can build Noctua to synergize with his kit. Just my opinion though
@@matyaskomjathi6511This Noctua is fine and all but it doesn't hold a candle to incarnons, especially status ones like torid or some such. But that's what multiple loadouts are for, I use noctua when in duviri or EDA because weapon RNG is awful
a note about noctua, it does inherit the arcane on your actual secondary, allowing it to benefit from its arcane as if it had it equipped, this is most obvious with secondary outburst, where swapping to the book will proc outburst and benefit from the crit stats
This is wrong. Secondary outburst is the only secondary arcane that Noctua inherits, all other secondary arcanes have no effect. It can stack up other arcanes, but it does not get the buffs. This is easy to test by looking at the damage numbers.
@@fellchris Did you test that? Because I just did, and it doesn't work. Unmodded noctua with R5 cascadia overcharge should always crit and sometimes orange crit (30+30*3=120), but it still crits at the same 30% rate and never orange crits. Just like the other secondary arcanes, the buff icon appearing does not mean it applies.
@@BobVonBob wait thats fucked, you are right, just tested it and nothing, I kept seeing people saying it works online, misinformation is a powerful enemy
Honestly, I think you undervalue Noctua. I have found it both easier to optimise and more versatile than focusing on final verse. Even without arcanes or shards simply modding for 60/60 viral & flat damage combined w/ its slash is remarkably effective. Combining Ceramic Dagger Incanon and Secondary Outburst and Archon Intensify(triggering off his light verse) it can be extremely powerful.
@@hobobeard Having access to Noctua can be an absolutely insane progression leap to a new player who buys Dante. It performs way better than any weapon a new player can access for an incredibly long time. Not to mention it can guarantee you always have a decent weapon in loadout-restriction content like Duviri and Elite Deep Archimedia. For players in the endgame though in non-loadout-restriction content, it generally can't compete with the killrate of the very best, like the best of the Incarnon series i.e. the Torid, or a Sentient Surge Ocucor. For that reason, they'd rather just have a buff. The amount of dips that Roar has with Dante's kit is kind of absurd. Roar is a faction damage buff meaning it double dips on status- for example, the Slash procs from your Dark Verse. This has absurdly strong synergy combined with the Status Vulnerability and Status Damage debuffs from Pageflight. Plus, the bonus is added AGAIN to the ability damage that Tragedy deals after it is detonating those already Roar-boosted slash procs. It's honestly insane to think about and Dante specifically might end up getting Faction damage recoded.
Some notes on Wordwarden and Noctua: 1) Multishot and fire rate do not affect wordwarden, so for the build at 21:00 Galv diffusion and lethal torrent are useless 2) The projectiles spawned after hitting an enemy are not homing and they cannot hit the enemy that you originally hit with the main projectile, this brings us to 3) Any kind of bullet magnetism completely shatters noctua's viability, scourge will trap the projectiles until the enemy dies or the effect runs out, at which point the projectiles will fly out in random directions and the void procs from xata's whisper slow down the additional projectiles making it impossible to even hit other enemies by chance, however you do get to watch some fireworks since all projectiles (visually) explode when they hit something or they run out of flight time
Or you can build it for damage as a weapon and not care too much about its synergy with Wordwarden 🤷🏽♂️ I built it to basicall be my primary and it’s incredibly OP.
A cool synergy between archon stretch and word warden is to build noctua for electricity to trigger its energy regen. This works even if you subsume off his 1 and if you put on another combined element on noctua.
@@KaiserRebWordwarden gives you a COPY of your Noctua. It is an exact copy; it uses all of the exalted weapons mods, gets all of its status mods, damage mods, etc. If you put a electricity mod on it it will apply the status. Since Noctua, and thus wordwarden, is an ability on account of it being an exalted weapon, it works for the archon stuff. Works for archon continuity too
the thing about Disruption that changed how I felt when I found out the farm for Dante, was that demolishers got a steep cut to their armor. Now I can actually enjoy the game mode!
Also, if you want a DoT Noctua but feel that neither the Slash or Heat builds suffice, you can run 3 Emerald Shards for +90% Toxin Tick Damage and +3 Corrosive stacks. With Archon Continuity, all toxin procs from Noctua will become capable of armor strip, with an average of 5-shots for a full strip with if you opt for 14-stacks of corrosive, on top of a minimum of 14 toxin procs already ticking at nearly double damage compared to slash. It also makes the alt fire of Noctua more viable as well, as it cant be modded for slash and can only provide an additional heat stack if you can slot in Archon Vitality, which will result in a meaty toxin proc with corrosive priming!
Haven't watched the video so I don't know if it's mentioned, but I wanted to comment before I forget that Dante is so good that with Roar subsumed on him, he can do level cap with just his abilities
As we tend to mod viral on most weapons you could go for cold on support Noctua for extra crit. Also tragedy doesn't care who put the proc on the enemy and heat/slash + viral is meta so there is a 95% chance that every teammate has it on their weapons if you are playing steel path so you can easily outdamage your entire team by sitting back, dispensing unholy amounts of overguard and blowing up all the procs that some teammate with kuva nukor spreads around.
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most say that noctua is the least useful part of dantes kit, but i still keep it unsubsumed, why? because its fun, i always wanted a damage grimoire in warframe and for now i have to stick with noctua if i want a damage grimoire, super non meta i know
Noctua? Useless? Bro this thing is broken and gives MANY useful buffs thanks to the unlimited Tome Mods it can use, while also being able to recharge fast as hell with its multishot Shard mechanic and works well with Wordwarden.
I also notices that noctua hates punch through, if you have it the beam doesnt split until the punch through its used and even then the 4 beams created doesnt have it
Small tip for handling Necra Demolishers, If you're don't have a lot of good mods or your prefered Incarnon Adapter isn't in the current rotation, try the Phenmor. It doesn't require any galvanized or primed mods, and can even burst down a level 370 voidrig demolisher in one buff rotation. (ie, around 10 seconds) The only mod that is mandatory is Rime or Cyro Rounds to apply 4 stacks of cold, then it's your choice of Corrosive for general purpose, Gas for grouping, or straight Radiation for taking down Necramechs and Hollowed Veins. Due to the status cap on the Necramechs, its actually going to be cheaper and better to slot in 3 120% elemental mods; but, 3 60/60 elemental mods will be more comfortable in general play and will still bring down the sturdiest targets!
Something I discovered with my own Dante setup is using Nourish in place of Noctua and using the Grimoire's alt fire with the Xata Invocation for energy regen. Because the alt procs multiple electicity statues on enemies its really easy to get the full buff from Xata, which is then boosted by Nourish.
personally I skip on arcane steadfast and go with molt efficiency it's basically 36% ability duration forever. Steadfast is to unpredictable for my liking and molt efficiency allows for some more flexibility with modding
If you have the Noctura ability active, even if the book itself is not equipped, you can take advantage of the Ability Efficiency Bonus from Seismic Bond. This is very helpful when other energy options aren't available.
Worth noting that a very slow yet low-effort way of farming Dante is doing Disruption bounties. You'll probably never roll any Dante pieces since most people leave after the first round, but you build up a lot of capillaries over time. Worth doing IMO if you're like me and didn't start doing Cavia syndicate until recently. Bought all parts I needed for Dante just before hitting Rank 5.
I went with Prime Flow and Energy Nexus instead of Message and Equilibrium, and then did violet archon shards for energy on health pickup instead of capacity. With a similar companion and Arcane Energize instead of Steadfast, I feel like it flows just a tiny bit better, or at least is more tolerant of sporadic energy density since you have passive buildup and a much deeper pool to help smooth things out at the cost of a tiny bit less duration (which I feel like the smoother energy economy makes up for easily enough).
Regarding efficiency: it may not FIX the low efficiency, but [Seismic Bond] is a great choice. Giving (basically) free 30% Efficiency. That would put you at 75% efficiency combined with whatever you manage to get via Invocations (low enemy density is still a factor of course, but free is free)
Haven't watched yet, know it will be an informative video, with amazing info for a nerd like me. Love the videos kengineer, thank you for being amazing Warframe Content creator!
For a frame as cast heavy as Dante, I cant recommend Duplex Bond enough. I also highly recommend Verglas on your Diriga, as it has pinpoint accuracy even with Diriga's 70m Precept, and can pile on Status effects in short order, which can be further exploited with Shivering contagion for AoE slows.
I always use Duplex Bond with Helstrum and Momentous Bond so I always have an army of sentinels roaming around spreading statuses to everything. Momentous Bond also adds to Manifold Bond for Diriga's Arc Coil. So it's rare for me to ever see enemies that aren't covered in every status in the game.
Dante (Noctua specifically) is a solid candidate for using Archon mods, each for their separate reasons: Vitality to double heat procs for damage builds (also page flight makes this quite consistent even with the alt fire), Stretch for Energy regen, Continuity for toxin setups allowing for very broad faction coverage at the cost of sacrificing viral...which you can just put somewhere else (this is what I've settled on because Pageflight makes this funny), they target butchered Intensify then Flow just don't. Edit: I did notice that his passive status chance seemed...non existent but I figured it was just me expecting too much. Couldn't tell the birbs were messing with Dark Verse given that they also cover enemies in incessant slash procs...do Pageflight birds apply guaranteed slash or do they use 100% status like Dark Verse? Also if you're doing Noctua damage, you can consider Topaz shards to push the primary fire to orange crits and the secondary fire to the chance of red crits.
Noctua seems best suited as a primer and support, using his abilities for damage. Whether viral or dot effects is better really depends on if you have a panzer vulpaphyla.
Tbh I run my Noctua with the energy regen and ability efficiency invocations, as a 1 2 punch to gaining basically infinite energy for ability spam. It still does completely fine damage for steel path, thanks to the massive dps as a pure slash weapon.
Ive completely dumped duration entirely in my stats, so that i can pump the other 3 stats, its crazy pumping out slash damage from across an entire map
Noctura is awesome…endless secondary, long range, powerful secondary, penetrates and hits multiple bad guys with the right mods…. He’s fragile, but amazing
He shouldn't be fragile if you're using light verse frequently. It can be tempting to spam dark verse frequently, but remember that light verse not only gives you a lot of overguard but you also get brief invincibility from it.
If you stack Energy Siphon, Energy Nexus, and Archon Stretch, you can outpace noctua's drain with as low as 105% efficiency before you even factor in tome mods. Why 105%, specifically? That accounts for a blind rage with fleeting expertise. With a Transient Fortitude, Intensify, and Primed Continuity, that gets you to around 300% strength and exactly 67% duration. if you instead want better regen rates, drop the blind rage to bring noctua under 1 energy per shot while still hanging around 200% strength.
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the copy of noctua also actived tome mods so if you kill enemy using ability it thing noctua kill it (as grimoire do) and it can target enemy hit by weapons what kill by it self as ferrox
Dante its best played along side a citrine since she can extended all status duration with her 3 which means more overall damage for tragedy dagath or saryn for viral/slash casting combo Or garuda to double down on blood extracting shenanigans.
14:20 The quartic scaling - is this the reason sometimes acolytes just pop with 2x Dark + Final Verse? Mostly I deal a few centimeters of damage, but sometimes their entire life bar disappears. (Note: Instead of 2, they get 4 slash procs with Pageflight active and not 6 so capped quartic scaling. )
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Tried Dante. He's great. But I don't think I'm going to keep him. The thing with being a Nidus main is that I'm used to a certain build bc of my play style. It's very simple. Attack with One. Gain stacks, get hit, Regen energy. Every since I slapped on Styanaxes shield he can survive onslaught after onslaught. Then I found Life Steal mods and slapped them onto my melee and it's just been crazy. But the problem is that I have to get in close for Styanax shield. Dantes third ability fixes my little crowd control issue. Larva gets boring after a while. Sometimes it doesn't even work. And it doesn't do damage unless I have the mod equipped. Dark Verse gives me a whole new way to attack. It strikes enemies I overlook. So. I have sadly decided to subsume Dante once I figure out his entire setup. But he has been fun. But I'm finding myself spamming his dark and light verses more than his other two abilities. I can always equip Nidus with the Grimoir. And the maggots can actually get taken out and explode once I use dark verse on them so that's extra damage. So. Larva shall be replaced by Dark Verse. But I highly recommend Dark Verse for any frame. I'm planning on slapping it onto my Atlas Prime in place of that Tectonic Fist attack. Should be fun.
Dark Verse on its own doesn't really do enough damage for high level content, unfortunately. Also it's entirely up to you but I'd suggest getting some Warframe slots. It's useful to have 1 of every Warframe for use in the Circuit or Deep Archimedea.
Ran into an interesting quirk with Dante. I was running a Sister of Parvos with a toxin tenet arca plasmor. For some reason the SoP weapon would go right through any amount of overguard. I tried this many times with up to an overguard of around 80k and it would one shot me every time. No clue what's going on. I run netracells and SP with this build all the time.
Hi Ken, superb video as always. Just out of curiosity, will you be able to test out what heat inherited damage does to tragedy? It might be a little broken.
My idea is build Dante for Strength and Range. Then Thermal Sunder -> Kuva Nukor/Tenet Cyclone -> Tragedy, if anyone tested it out plz I want to hear how was it like?
Noctua is really fun with a Radiation-Toxin build utilizing Archon Continuity, meaning that Noctua and Wordwarden deal Slash, Toxin, Corrosive, and Radiation all at once. Is it meta? No of course not. Is it fun? Yes, it's hilariously stupid.
for now i ill wait for then to fix overguard messing with combat discipline and nourish, it is blocking it from triggering, and i love going around exploding a viral wave, passive priming. For now dagoth is still my favorite with Doom doubling my damage on everyone, so i can use my meme weapon like status empowered twin kohmak in high mission without any issue.
Ok, you missed something with Dante, from what I have seen he uses your secondary's arcane if you have one equiped. Second build Noctua as a hybrid crit and status then get arcane velocity and see it go brrrrrr.
17:44 im confused by your Cast Support build for Noctua, if the entire point is to use Invocations and the rest of the most are there to help charge up the alt fire, then why not just use all 4 Invocations + Multishot + Fire Rate. That's what I do on my build with him and yeah the Noctua damage is terrible, but it really *really* doesnt need to be, because im getting 180% ability stats and 10 energy per second from it.
Is it worth running hunter adrenaline since allies overguard can trigger the energy restore effect if you use light verse? I noticed I could cast my light verse and have max energy straight away doing that.
Everyone talking about archon continuity and noctua etc and here i am 130% extra status chance trough the birds and still gettin 1 - 2 proccs toxine from noctua for a full basmu magazine. Doesnt seem woth it or am i missing something
What's (kinda) criminal is that you ypu can buy him for €15 plus his weapon, loads of stuff AND plat! I only get frames by playing, but still, extremely good deal, maybe good for a 2nd dante to put in the Hellmith
Would swapping heat for toxin on Noctua and then using Archon Continuity for bonus corrosive be worth it? Or would I just be throwing away damage for a tiny armour strip?
Lol 😂 on every farm video you do I'm always in the worst rng part if nt way past it .. obviously this one was not as bad because of pity system but the only warframe part still not dropped in chassis . Yet I have atleast 5 sets without chassis after getting chassis from pity system .. 😂😂😂.. plus could u do best way to farm the weapon parts because in all my runs I have has only 1 weapon part drop ..😢😢😢😢 😊 ty . Another great video
I have a question! Since I have yet to play Dante (got him built, but I'm waiting for an affinity booster so I can do a huge round of levelling things that are sitting in my Foundry), if you do mod his tome for electric then slap in the Archon mod, will you get energy back through Word Warden as well?
Im still struggling with modding weapons. Why the Fire element for Noctua? Its a slash weapon with a bane mod. Slash procs ignore armor. I get that fire strips armor and adds some up front damage, but I dont immediately see the benefit of that. Electric and Archon stretch makes sense to me. What am I missing/not understanding about this heat mod?
a note about the necramechs, they are affected by Harrow's chains. Might be affected by other cc but I haven't personally tested it any other notes regarding cc or stuns would be massively appreciated in the replies
Wouldn't Archon Intensify be better than Umbral since you can keep it up with your light verse? At least in my testing even if you are at full life the light verse trigger it, wouldn't that make it better than the flat 44%?
Archon Intensify's activating on casts of 2 while at full health was considered a bug and patched last week; it now only activates if you're missing health, which is hard to pull off when he has so much Overguard. Umbral Intensify is going to be the correct option going forward. If your testing is more recent than that, and you still had this result, this is still *considered* a bug by DE, and you should likewise be ready for it to be Actually Fixed at some point in the future.
Wait does it really drain part of my energy every time I shoot because I've been using that thing as a primary weapon and my energy bar does not go anywhere I had not noticed it drained energy at all I guess my energy economy is so good 😅. So far I don't seem to have any issues destroying level 300 enemies which has been pretty awesome I was kind of surprised. I use my exalted weapon as a primary and I use the grimoire as a priming secondary because against the level 300 enemies the way I have my grandma is set up it pretty much just crowd controls all the enemies on the screen for me. How to take no damage and still path enemies can't move. They all just sit there CC the whole time and the CC is spreading everywhere because I can't tell if the grimoire and my exalted weapon are shooting multi hits or if it's one projectile and it just bounces between enemies based on multi-hit because if that's the case which it looks like visually unless it's just shooting a bunch of the projectiles really quickly and they're all humming in on the enemies but I'm hitting hordes of enemies with ease with my auto attacks they have to be piercing bouncing or just Auto honing on each individual Target or something. I build up the bus with the grimoire art fire once it's at Max tax before the 22nd timer runs out I cast all my buffs I cast myself into my exalted weapon which I'm hoping all of this is snapshotting the damage increase and just blow everything up dealing millions of damage with the noctua worst case scenario of the damage is miniscule against an enemy I can just switch to one of my actual real primary gun and take them out. Now what I wish it did was allowed you to gain the Tome mod effects from any other tomes you had equipped. Because it feels like because the tone mods also don't give you any stats it doesn't really feel good to use them in place of just something that's more useful like a tax speed multi-shot or damage. So I only use the strength increasing tone mod pl on my grimoire because my exalted weapon is purely for damage
