Dark age of cycling, part 2: "Mr. Sixty"

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Introduction of Bjarne Riis who acquired name "Mr Sixty" after Festina scandal. Full inch doper who started taking EPO in 1993 to 1998. He won Tour de France in his 11th year as professional rider at age 32. In 1996 he finally beat Miguel Indurain. Apart from blood doping Riis used cortisone and testosterone. He still exists on official list of TDF winners in opposite to eg. Lance Armstrong. This is because his admision to doping was out of UCI sanction window.
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first 10 seconds of this video comes from Danish comedy TV show "Team easy on" where original speech (admission to doping) has been replaced by fake monolog about different drugs.

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@SchultzAnders 2 года назад

The clip from 0:26 is a voice over from a danish skit show called Drengene Fra Angora lol

@johns3106 2 года назад

I’ve always thought it was odd that so many riders of this era would answer questions about doping with “I’ve never tested positive”, rather than a simple “No, I don’t dope”…it’s like they were hedging their bets by not “completely” lying….like they thought that this ambiguous answer was not a “lie” and would therefore somehow exonerate them if they happened to be caught in the future.

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

I have the same problem. For instance I don't understand why Tadej Pogacar after 2 weeks of his outstanding performance during TDF2021, at press conference (rest day) responded to doubters: "I think we have many controls to prove them wrong..." instead of simple "we don't use blood doping or performance enhancing drugs".

@888jucu 2 года назад

I never thought it odd, it was clear admission and they were not wanting to have an outright lie on their record in the event they got caught later.

@aha200971 2 года назад

I think it was some kind of silent agrement between the sports "press" and the riders. "I don't lie to your face and because of that you will not dig deeper" , Before the Festina scandal in 98. The danish sports would not even ask the riders any questions about doping, so when doping became illegal in France in 1998 and the Police took action and stopped the Festina team, Riis was caught off guard because suddenly the press could no longer ignore the issue and the old "I've never tested positiv" the was no longer valid

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

Probably most of the insiders from media covering cycling were aware of doping process. Festina scandal changed the press "optics" on the subject so for instance in the 1999 one of the riders (Bassons) was reporting "suspicious" performance in press... But the "omerta" in the peloton sill worked so he was quickly "excluded" from the game and ignored even by his teamates

@olivoil2002 2 года назад

@Paul Odenfield It's not that difficult to lie, Vingegaard just did it after winning the Tour.

@user-ow1jh8yb5j 2 года назад

Can’t wait for the Chris Horner video

@bb3xhrhj 2 года назад

For the record, that clip around 0:28 is not the voice of Bjarne Riis. That's the voice of Simon Kvamm, danish musician/comedian pretending to be a dutch cyclist confession to drug abuse on a comedy show.

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

Yes. I have put the information about this in the description of the movie.

@bb3xhrhj 2 года назад

@@RoadBikersPoznan i was 99% sure you knew, mainly for those few that was puzzled by the clip. Really enjoying ur channel

@michaelschler3666 Год назад

@@RoadBikersPoznan Yes you are actually a liar by throwing in film clips that don't fit -----, It can be punishable ....And you have done nothing to remove your lie,,,,

@michaelschler3666 Год назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0AI743Y-kqw.html 5.00

@PerryScanlon 6 месяцев назад

LSD and hash 😄

@twowheelstouring482 3 года назад

I actually have more respect for him for admission of doping, I wish all the riders would come clean.

@flanners41 7 месяцев назад

respect....he carried on with his dark arts doping the Team's he managed!

@golding69 2 года назад

It is what it is. "Tempted"? Pros typically end up with two choices: 1. Doping or 2. Underperform (in comparison to the rest) and lose their job. Part of the psychological strong character and mental toughness is actually enhanced by doping meds or substances: the superman personality (which the public admires) will eventually translate to unhealthy emotional roller coasters in a considerable percentage of athletes. Does Santa Claus exist? (Do we want to believe in the unbelievable?) Let's not assume that the complex problem and its multiple dynamics -in sports at the top- is over today. The problem has actually trickled down to weekend warriors (in some countries more than others).

@pompeymonkey3271 2 года назад

Doped or not, these guys still had to ride and win. As a spectator, I find the mysterious world and benefits of PEDs just add another dimension to the sport. I raced as an amateur in my day. It's a bloody tough sport.

@J88HNT 2 года назад

If they didn’t doper. We wouldn’t watch.

@gregfloh7732 2 года назад

I guess it is a big different between doped or not. You never was a top athletic. I was. I know the feeling when suddenly athletics you haev always beaten suddenly destroy you.

@robertchubb1518 2 года назад

...however..I was pretty good..and had raced on track racing..and I wanted to race on track at places like the 6 day track and scratch racing in the day..

@gregfloh7732 2 года назад

Riis? In my eyes one of the really big hypocrites. As a team leader and there are sworn statements from drivers that he recommended his riders use doping.

@fredlast4547 2 года назад

It goes on at amateur level as well. I've seen guys at a sunday night badminton club snorting coke to up their game. People will do anything at any level to win and boost their fraglie egos.

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

True. Sometimes ordinary people do it because they are driven by social media or "local fame". It is quite easy to get drugs without prescription or synthetize them. I had competed in many amateur races and saw weird things too... Maybe will do material about it in the future.

@outdoorvertical 2 года назад

Absolutely true, I've witnessed it in amateur cycling where there was no prize!

@robertchubb1518 2 года назад

I am big..and was always told I would NEVER be TDF material but a strong track rider...

@dirkusmaximus9268 2 года назад

Indeed !

@Steve-Riverwood 2 года назад

Riis won on equal terms, everybody was doped. It does'nt make it right, but that's how it was. Kids and young talents got into cycling back in the day and was systematically doped by the team owners, DS's and shady "doctors". The riders grew up in it, and were like cycling-junkies! It baffles me, that it was the rider(the junkie) and not the pushers that got dragged through the mud. A lot of us remember the Festina-scandal in 98- Virenque was the star, so we remember him crying in interviews, but who was the team owner? Who learned him to dope? Who got him hooked? What was the doctors name? Most dont know! Why are we in cycling focussing blame on the "junkies" and not the pushers??

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

You are absolutely right. This was always the issue in Sport. Singling out atheltes and exposing them to the media worked nicely as good PR for state funded sport organizations or politics. But also athletes often protected "the man in the middle" (pushers, system) after being caught on doping. Maybe because they didn't want to break careers of other, still riding friends? But there is also something evil about the society. Maybe scapegoating someone successful makes someone (who lives ordinary, unsatisfying live) happier... This is why (you can crucify me) I respect Lance - at least for something. He just took control over the existing dirty process like anyone before him and didn't allow the environment and media to break him like it was in case Pantani etc.

@Steve-Riverwood 2 года назад

@@RoadBikersPoznan Well first of all, Lance is build different! ... In his head i mean:) A lot of him is cold blooded! He can just shut of emotions and say f... it all, so he navigates a lot better than normal people in "murky water"!. He has bounced back with a Podcast of his own. The way you described it, what it resembles the most is the American-Italian mafia! There has been kind of an omerta among ex-riders not to tell on other than themselves. Ex-riders like Hamilton and Landis are outcasts for speaking up. All those old Team Telecom of 96 riders mainly told on themselves. I think that's what's has to change, because then they are still a part of the problem. They need to help the police and WADA with information on how the nuts and bolts of it all works, who does what and how. Maybe an anonymous pro-cycling whistleblower hotline could be a way to open up about what's going on, both past an present.

@TheLanorth 2 года назад

But its a cycling match not a doctors match.

@aha200971 Год назад

F1 has the Constructors Championship, cycling had the Doctors Championship, the contenders was Dr. Conconi, Dr. Ferrari, Dr. Mabuse and Dr. Fuentes

@MrDominicharrison 2 месяца назад

He’s called 60% due to an Italian drs court case which showed laptop data. On it was Riis’ haematocrit plus many other top riders The way he rode Hautecam looks very slow compared to todays top riders

@Gonzo4Ever 4 месяца назад

Hahaha 😅 , first part is not Riis , its from a comedy show. 😂

@whenvioletsturngrey9597 2 года назад

What we really need is a watts per kilo comparison for riders across some eras.

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

I can give you an example. 2020 Col de Peyresourde climb - Tadej Pogacar 6.5 Watt/kg (24 minutes). About 40 seconds faster than Alexander Vinokurov and about 100 seconds faster than Armstrong and Ullrich in 2003 (massive blood doping era) on the same climb.

@whenvioletsturngrey9597 2 года назад

@@RoadBikersPoznan this is exactly what I mean.

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

@Vegan's R Silly as far as I can tell it was 500 Watts per 30 min during climb. This would give "magic" 7 if he was 72kg, but he was between 75-77kg what I know. Anyway still impressive.

@888jucu 2 года назад

@@RoadBikersPoznan I gotta admit I got a bit suspicious when 2 Slovenian riders topped to word in the 2020 TDF even though from different teams makes you wonder if the Slovenians know something the rest don't?? Maybe with all the history of PED scandals in cycling Ive become uber cynical and find it hard to take miracle rides seriously these days?

@monteaustin1006 2 года назад

@@888jucu Kind of like the Jamaican Track team. A tiny island producing ultra-fast runners...or maybe a local government looking the other way. That being said, Tadej Pogacar and Jonas Vingegaard really animated the 2022 TdF.

@nielskjr5432 3 года назад

So, what's the point with this video? Riis admitted doping. So did Zulle. But the whole peloton was doped in the '90s. Don't tell me you believe Indurain was clean? No Spanish rider admitted anything. Could be dangerous.

@barrylyndon80 2 года назад

Greg Lemond is still stating, that he was 100 percent clean....

@nonfictionone 2 года назад

@jp Stez a non doper could beat a doper, until Epo. Epo was a game changer. Epo meant 10% more power at any heart rate. You saw three gewiss riders ride away from a doped peloton. THAT’S Epo. From that point all the teams knew, you get on this stuff or you’re out of a job.

@topmech71 2 года назад

He's lucky to be alive, the statement you can take as much as you want shows how reckless and stupid it was. His blood was probably like 10w30 motor oil. Ullrich was estimated at 6.3w/kg the next year compared to Riis at 6.8. I just wonder if he was actually clean, but that's very doubtful.

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

In the 90s it was not possible to be in top 10 TDF without blood doping. You could steal some flat stage being clean but it the mountains no way. You needed this extra 20-50 Watts to align with competition. The thing is than many riders once joined pro peloton considered EPO doping as normal practice. Most of them were on "juice".

@poly_hexamethyl Год назад

Probably more like 20W50 :-)

@gavinhazard75 2 года назад

I am not to convinced these days either,some of them don't even have bad days in the tour,that's not just training

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

Definitely. But this is not just cycling specific issue. It concerns most of the endurance disciplines. There is no way to handle such an extreme workload through the season without health problems etc. Drugs are welcome.

@outdoorvertical 2 года назад

Performance enhancement is rife on all professional sports, once that is accepted you can then just enjoy it as entertainment.

@feg466 3 года назад

cycling is a hard, difficult and painful sport. it's so easy to get tempted to take PEDs to win for the sponsors, team and self for glory.

@Bluesman2509 3 года назад

Very true, especially the long climbs in the Pyrenees - Hautacam is very very hard.

@markcavandish1295 3 года назад

Oh Yeah? You part of the pro tour peloton or something?

@ValerioSimoncini 2 года назад

No way ! ... If you bike it'S cause you know you love to challenging your self... To use drugs ... is just about your weakness! If you love Life... You don t got compromise with sponsors, fame, drugs, ... and shit on

@golding69 2 года назад

"Tempted"? Pros typically end up with two choices: 1. Doping or 2. Underperform (in comparison to the rest) and lose their job. Part of that psychological strong character and mental toughness is actually enhanced by doping meds or substances: the superman personality (which the public admires) will eventually translate to unhealthy emotional roller coasters in a considerable percentage of athletes. Does Santa Claus exist? (Do we want to believe in the unbelievable?) Let's not assume that the complex problem and its multiple dynamics -in sports at the top- is over today.

@cypriano8763 2 года назад

Anyone who thinks riis was the only gc contender wking around with a 60 hematocrit is delusional. How high do you think Pantani, virenque, Ulrich, indurain, escartin or ugrumov, etc, etc, hematocrit was. Riis won because he trained harder than the rest, period. They where all on very similar doping programs.

@nielskjr5432 2 года назад

Yes, I agree with you. But the effect was stronger on big riders. Like Zulle, Riis, Olano and Indurain. They were all around 190cm and 80kg. 20+ kg compared to the pure climbers.

@louisritnagellarsen687 2 года назад

@@nielskjr5432 Bjarne Riis er "kun" 184 cm og 71 kg, under turen i 96 var han nede på 69 kg

@leonardofabbri7930 Год назад

@@louisritnagellarsen687 15 kg more than Pantani type anyway

@jacobdalby1105 2 месяца назад

Han var lavere han var 66kg tæt på pogacar. Han var tynd som en sild. 9 kg lettere end armstrong

@CesarClouds Год назад

As a teenager in love with cycling I was a bit shocked when Paul Kimmage's book came out in 1990. I naively thought that would help put an end to doping.

@edwardo7309 2 года назад

When youve got a full bar of stamina haha

@dirkusmaximus9268 2 года назад

The testimony of Riis is dubbed, never took weed or LSD, crap…

@robertchubb1518 2 года назад

Great men..(and yes I admired them then..as I do now) they are now suffering the health deficients that these early drugs did... I am pretty sure (as a lay man) that is the how Fignion died....

@dirkusmaximus9268 2 года назад

Indeed, and how Armstrong got ill…

@AdamPepeWerderits 2 года назад

Fignon most likely died because of depression and the cancer that comes with it. If you read his book you could understand how unhappy he was.

@skylineXpert 2 года назад

I clearly hear you edited the team easy on press meeting into the video. Pim De Keysergracht also took gas vor de scooters.

@johnnyvanpottelberghe 2 года назад

walter goedfroot ,is not a docter,walter is a ex bikeracer who was at that time teame leader of telecom

@user-zx1ir7jt4c Год назад

Where is part 1?

@robertchubb1518 2 года назад

..they just thought..a pissed up soldier..racing a Tour de France...

@chrisstrobel3439 2 года назад

Did he say LSD 😳 Oh my! I could not imagine riding a major tour stage trippin on acid 🤪 Insane

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

He was riding on steroids and EPO. In the past riders were using painkillers and amphetamine but not LSD. Definitely not hard-drugs. This intro comes from TV show and is more like a metaphore.

@theterrible1 2 года назад

@@RoadBikersPoznan Even then they had 'pot belge' which was amphetamines, cocaine and heroin all in one. So definitely hard drugs too.

@theworkethic 2 года назад

@@RoadBikersPoznan LSD is not a hard drug

@fernandog.aguirre2791 2 года назад

Big Big Doping times in pro cycling days! It was a free and unpunished times!

@robertchubb1518 2 года назад

..that was their statement...

@PerryScanlon 6 месяцев назад

The nickname is funny, but I think he was probably around 55% and had likely previously had a low natural hematocrit.

@philipdevenish9416 3 года назад

And of course Fignon was not doping!

@nielskjr5432 3 года назад

Yes, he admitted taking some amphetamines now and then. But EPO took it to another level.

@garyfry3795 3 года назад

What about the first American rider to win the TdF, mentioning no names !

@nielskjr5432 3 года назад

@@garyfry3795 Yes, maybe Greg Lemond cut a corner now and then like Fignon. But the scene at the 80's was very different from the 90's.

@garyfry3795 3 года назад

@@nielskjr5432 very true, but the common theme was still cheating.

@nielskjr5432 3 года назад

@@garyfry3795 a TDF doctor once described how he could see riders sharing the same needle in the back of the peloton during the 50's and 60's. It's always been there.

@davidconlon2629 2 года назад

Al Puerto Contadoper 😂

@robertchubb1518 2 года назад

....he died BECAUSE of complications of his drug taking...

@andrewturchan6065 3 года назад

They did not take his win away because he was outside time frame of limitations , yet they stripped Lance . It shows how corrupted UCI is and how they make rules that suits them . But riders are leaving their guts on the road so these UCI crooks can make millions ..... Just sayin' ....

@RoadBikersPoznan 3 года назад

From 1992-2006 UCI acted like they are fighting against doping but in reality they didn't. Despite of improving testing methods they weren't taking right samples from right rider at the right time. UCI lost credibility because fake anti-doping policy and corruption. I think this was one of the reasons all teams had green light to dope. UCI should be banned as well as riders.

@steveroufas1938 3 года назад

completely stupid and uneducated statement from you...... the biggest villain in sports ever, lance, came back to cycling in 2010 because he is so full of himself that he thought he could win again (thanks to doping -- otherwise, like Fignon said of Riis, lance would have NEVER won not one tour if it wasn't for his sophisticated doping program), well that's why wada kicked his ass and kicked his ass good and properly. because he came back to cycling that year. since you don't know, let me ecducalte you about the uci briefly: they want lance in the sport because lance was paying them to shut up for him. uci only let go of lance because of the reputation and image they would have had publicly, if they remained lance's "friend"

@keirfarnum6811 3 года назад

@@steveroufas1938 Armstrong was just playing the Europeans game as they played it. That’s not to excuse what he did, but he was no different than the other riders.

@steveroufas1938 3 года назад

@@keirfarnum6811 yeah, see, you're just another armstrong pumper you're just another armstrong homer. that's how he talked that's the language he used, "the europeans." he made an us vs them atmosphere of the sport, and people like you swallowed it up. the sport was and still is european based, hello. he was indeed different because he had the most money to buy the best doping program. there's the difference. otherwise he couldn't climb worth a lick, he was an average time trailst, and the only tour he managed to finish in paris before his doping (while still doping mind you), he placed 35th. 3 or 4 other tour attempts he didn't even finish the race, the pathetic fraud that he is. he would have never won a tour if it wasn't for Ferrari and his doping program.

@SteveT__001 3 года назад

@@keirfarnum6811 He was very different from the other riders, LA used his position to bully and control, he ruined many careers even of non cyclists.

@TellusJD 2 года назад

The thing about Riis not being a good climber etc. is kind of bullshit. Had top 5 and podium placements in the early 90's many times hindered by not being the captain of the team or having conflicts about the captain role even though he was the strongest rider on the team. The point about 60% is also kind of bullshit since he never had that high % it was just that another doper that got caught higher than 50 said it. if he was doping and Riis was beating him then Riis must have had a higher % since he could beat him. And that name has stock due to an envious virenque that got caught red handed. No reason to believe he was more doped than any other rider. And he was good in the mountains. Showed talent by an early age and was able to win a lot. But then got beaten by dopers and started to dope late, and instantly started getting succes in TDF after that. He was the key domestique for several riders before he won.

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

Laurent Fignon point on Riis was different. The truth is that blood doping with EPO malformed results and made "allrounders" like Biarne equal with born climbers like Pantani.

@TellusJD Год назад

@@RoadBikersPoznan that is true, but that goes along with anyone in the 90's like Jan ulrich, Miguel indurain. But Riis was actually a climber build despite his height he was actually only 67 kg in 1996. Which is probably a main reason for his strength that year. Armstrong was 75 kg. Should not be a climber Indurain was 80 kg shouldnt be a climber at all Ulrich was 72-74 and heavier some years. Also shouldnt be a climber. Riis was more of the build you should have to beat the mountains only one more build like that was pantani.

@robertchubb1518 2 года назад

Oh well..

@robertchubb1518 2 года назад

In this era..the 80’s, 90’s...even the Naughties...NO ONE was interested in cycling..I loved it..I rode it and the British Army would not even support me in time trials..(had to be a team sport to get sponsorship)

@rickeverett3304 2 года назад

PEDs equals cheating and should be admonished in the stongest ways. Strip all the wins, yes a nightmare but the right thing to do.

@mirekbns 2 года назад

The number of doping scandals really turned me off as a fan of the sport of cycling. Why not just make it legal? If every rider was doping then what's the point of any one of them doing it? Point is, there's a good reason it's against the rules, as it would otherwise compel athlestes to use these substances in order to be competitive. I've never heard of any rider dying during a race because of doping but I'm sure it's not very healthy for the human body in the long run.

@nonfictionone 2 года назад

Tom Simpson.

@EvandroPortelav12 3 года назад

Kawasaki 1000

@meibing4912 2 года назад

Painful truth for all top cyclists at the time. Wonder what they are up to today. Btw opening is pure fiction - should be made clear. otherwise its just unnecessary slandering of someone who at least at the end of the day admitted his cheating.

@RoadBikersPoznan 2 года назад

Yes. There is a note about opening source in the description but maybe there should be subtitle explaining it comes from TV comedy show. I will try to add this.

@robertchubb1518 2 года назад

..but it does NOT degenerate from my love of Fignon..his DESIRE...THEY ALL HAD...DESIRE..(hence the drug..haha) and (Fignon) had to be France WINNER....not rocket science..

@durianriders 2 года назад

Riis is a legend of the sport. The only bad thing he did was throw his bike that time.

@outdoorvertical 2 года назад

True that, Riis is the man! As strong as a bull!

@MONYN76ISLAS 2 года назад

bjarni riis another cheater like those of the professional peloton .. nobody is exempt from taking drugs .. people are very ignorant at any time .. I threw armstrong you are great 🚴🚴🚴

@leifxmdiesel 2 года назад

This video has been reported!

@leifxmdiesel 2 года назад

@Vegan's R Silly The lyrics in the beginning is fake. It is NOT Riis takling. The sound is from a danish satire program called "Team Easy On".

@barrylyndon80 2 года назад

Blockwart

@cornishalps9870 2 года назад

@@leifxmdiesel why so serious

@888jucu 2 года назад

@@leifxmdiesel Yes and it's written in the description. Even before I read the description I knew it must be satire just from the dialogue Im wondering why some find that hard to spot/understand??

@leifxmdiesel 2 года назад

Yes, now it is added. It was not when i saw the video at first.

@RickBeckler 3 года назад

He could have benefited from a helmet!

@RoadBikersPoznan 3 года назад

... or aerodynamic bald head :-)

@donwinston 2 года назад

EPO, Testosterone, Cardarine, ...etc are just "extra" vitamins. So what. Whatever helps you go faster.

@timdowney6721 2 года назад

So, motors are fine, too? They make you go faster. If you’re not cheatin’ you’re not tryin’. Right? I presume you have the same outlook on being swindled by your bank, plumber, etc. Because, after all, whatever helps them make more money.

@donwinston 2 года назад

@@timdowney6721 It's not a bicycle if it has a motor. You are going out of your way to be stupid.

@timdowney6721 2 года назад

@@donwinston Cheating is cheating. And drugs taken in the absence of any therapeutic need aren’t “extra vitamins.” But, you seem too stunted to comprehend that.

@donwinston 2 года назад

@@timdowney6721 Therapeutic need? That can mean anything. If it's against the rules in some sort of competition then they shouldn't do it. Otherwise who gives a shit. But it's silly and incredibly sanctimonious to forbid PEDs.

@sunnyroy7602 2 года назад

@@donwinston Doping is not a Sign of athletes ... A real athlete will never dope..no matter what. With your own efforts you needs to get faster and stronger ... If you are doing not a real athlete .. so don't say it's fine to use PEDs and other steroids...