"Lust's call to power is... intoxicating. Even more so when one is fueled by grief." It's not just me who thinks that sounds like she's talking from experience, right? It sounds like she's admitting to being fueled by grief?
Good obeservation I suspect she felt grief from killing her kin. She seems more emotional than the other horseman so the burden may be more difficult for her to overcome. Death still held some regret but accepted his decision mostly where as fury may have not.
She was grieving rampage throughout the whole game. She told Rampage in the opening scene that she loved him so much and when he died her voice was full of hurt in the middle of her fight with Wrath. Lust preyed on that.
From what I've seen so far it seems War is the only one who didn't really change at all, he always knew what he wanted and what he had to do. Even Death had to confront his demons from the past with Absolom. Fury goes through a complete mental 180 basically and from what Genesis shows, Strife is going to go through a big change also. Funny how the youngest one is the one who's apparently the most stable. Unless they're saving big character growth for War and Death in the fifth game.
I mean War's game was all about getting redemption and proving his innocence that was placed on to him. At the beginning of the game war is angry at basically everyone and everything opting to just push through everything in his path. By the middle/near the end he also gained some allies (Uriel and Ulthane for one) and this time turned his anger away from everyone else and rather Abaddon and the charred council.
War goes from being battle crazed which led to him losing his arm to being all about duty to being all about right and wrong going after the council and everyone else responsible for man’s destruction
I'm torn between her original costume design and her current one. I wish they would've included alternate outfits for her including the original design.
NO Interchangeable Armor is probably the biggest cause of my hesitation in purchasing D3... in your opinion, how does it compare with Darksiders 2? I consider Darksiders 2 one of my top 5 games EVER! In fact, D2 is the bar in which I hold all other Fantasy/Action games to. Only Zelda Breath of the Wild is better in my book.
@@rush1er Yeah agreed. I never played any Zelda (dunno why, maybe the art style), but D2 is a near flawless masterpiece. One of the best games I've ever played, from its protagonist, to major character characterization, the areas, mechanics, and especially the music. Just stunning!
@@rush1er how do you not like alternate costumes? D2 had visible armor changes. I like D2 but I don't think it flowed very well. Its been years since I played it though.
If you want to check out our DS3 let's play then you could get a glimpse for yourself. :) and while there is no "outfit change" there are some other armors you can get that do change her color scheme and the ones from the crucible also give stat boosts. :)
Great video guys! F.Y.I. the dlc for the Keepers of the Void comes out this Tuesday, the 16th. Also the artbook for DS3 is out. Btw are either of you on the Darksiders discord by any chance?
I really want a Darksiders 4 for strife and then a 5 with all of them on their final quest... Sure ppl say they the story to progress but they made DS2 and 3 to give us a deeper connection to the riders wich im totaly fine with, strife is very mysterious, i mean i dont even know what he truly represents cus the name strife is kinda vague and what would his enhanced form be called? We need Darksiders 4 for Strife's lore (dont mention genesis plz) and a final last crusade agaibst the charred council in Darksiders 5 with all riders being playable... Maybe death can bring rampage back too cus goddamn that will be sad to see her struggling to keep up while everyone else is riding their horses ..
I'm pretty sure what you've described is the official plan. (It's certainly what most if not all of the fans want, so ignoring that seems like a bad business decision.) And the horses being resurrected by the breaking to the 7th seal has been confirmed by game dev.
@@jelenneth has it? I know about the horsemen but not the actual horses... That wouldnt make sense since theyre not the ones bound to the seals... but i will be more than happy if thats true
Every horsmen in this seris died. War at begining and End, Death at the End and Fury at midle. So Strife have very smal chance to survive his game without dying
We assume that there isn't just "one human form" for each it was probably either a magic item or just using magic like a glimmer or something. Not something that they can all just do at will and have just the one human form. Strife is the only one who has shown to shape shift at all. But we don't really know.
@@sugartoothYT Not the weakest, but the least favored. Why else would she be least favorite among a team of powerhouses? Besides, many of the sins did call her the weakest, and she is the weakest in the lore.
@@sugartoothYT I never saw Death's enemies call him the weakest, nor War's. So clearly the opinion of your enemies still matters. Their enemies might not like them, but know damn well that mocking them will have consequences. Read The Abomination Vault, or perhaps even the comics, they will clarify. First off, Death and War are the strongest. War's skill in combat rivals Death's according to Death himself, but he has the advantage of being inherently superior in status. He's essentially immortal. Tanked War's Chaoseater through the chest to protect Fury and didn't feel a thing. Now as to whether or not Strife is stronger than Fury, I'm willing to bet he is judging by both the games and the novels. He seems far older and wiser, therefore no doubt more experienced. Gameplay can be a tad deceiving, but one of the stronger enemies Fury and War can face got taken out by him in about two seconds. I don't think the writers placed that creature there specifically by coincidence. It was to showcase his power. And finally, you may again just brush it off as people messing with her mind, but why does everyone (everyone important) Fury meets fuck with her so? I get the feeling that had it been Death in her shoes, they wouldn't have done so, especially with Abraxis for instance. There's a bit of a general rule to the Horsemen. Everyone knows their strength. When all of them show, it's the apocalypse. The games highlight this with the destruction of the Nephillim. When Death shows, you really fucked up. The games highlight this with, well everyone who meets the guy minus the Lord of Bones and Samael, which makes sense seeing as they're some of the strongest beings in the entire universe. When War shows, something is seriously wrong. The games highlight this with Abbadon's reaction to him on Earth. When Strife shows up he's there to investigate something. Even though he hasn't had his own game yet we've already seen this to be the case thanks to dialogue from both the Council and Fury herself. But when Fury shows up everyone treats it like a pathetic, desperate, last ditch attempt at settling things. Why? Here's why; because she is. Why did the council name the other three first before sending her off? Death is missing, War is imprisoned, Strife was already on Earth. They had no one left to send but her. She is least favorite, because she is the weakest of a team that only exists to exert power. (P.S. I am aware the Council sent her off as a ploy. That only reinforces my point though seeing as they'd expected her to die to the Sins, something they likely wouldn't expect of the others meaning that even the Council itself deems her the weakest.) That enough information for you? Lmao!
It plays out similarly but you don't have the artifact. They basically do the fire thing but the artifact scene with them being surprised is not there. Fury just tosses the amulet with the sins at the council and peaces off in the ensuing commotion..
To get the bonus ending you have to kill Abraxis and spare Lord of the Hollows. Both endings are slightly changed, as in what Fury shows the council and how ???? interacts with Lilith
darksiders franchise so underrated, im glad more people covering the lore now. btw, what do you think about my theory of Neo Nephilim here steamcommunity.com/app/710920/discussions/0/3963662301882871941/
@@the_dropbear4392 None of them are named except Death (also, they correspond to the first through fourth seals): "Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals... And I saw, and behold, a white horse, and its rider had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. When he opened the second seal... out came another horse, bright red; its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that men should slay one another; and he was given a great sword. When he opened the third seal... I saw, and behold, a black horse, and its rider had a balance in his hand; and I heard what seemed to be a voice... saying, 'A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; but do not harm oil and wine!' When he opened the fourth seal... I saw, and behold, a pale horse, and its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed him; and they were given power over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of he earth" (Rev 6:1-8).
I don't think that her personality has changed all that much over the eons between the day they got their horses, The Abomination Vault Crisis, War's rampage and the Apocalypse, but that everything depends on the situation at hand. While it is true that she appeared to be more calm in the Abomination Vault, there is no denying that her appearance in the novel is brief and therefore might not paint the whole picture. In "Darksiders III", she has moments of wonder and interest, where she is calm and collected, even early on in the game and I think this is key to her personality. If you want her to be calm and collected, you have to provide her with something that she might find interesting and by showing her respect. In the novel, Death shows trust in his siblings by sharing with them the story of the Grand Abominations, so she remains silent and controlled, and we also see this when the Lord of Hollows give her the Hollows or when she confronted Abraxis. In all these cases, she keeps herself in check as long as they might tell or give something useful. Her lashing out during their inauguration happens because she doesn't care about ceremony and there is nothing of interest for her. But in the novel, we already have signs of her tendency to lash out the moment things stop being interesting or she feels disrespected. When Death tells his siblings that they have to stay behind, we get the following three reactions (paraphrasing here): "If you think I going to stay...", "Who the Hell do you think you are..." and "I don't think that's a good idea". It would be easy to assume at this point that the first two quotes come from War and Strife but the following sentence in the novel, describing that these three quotes were the others complaints, it give us the following order: War, Fury and Strife. Leading me to assume that she was the one who ask Death, who he thought he was, undermining his authority. It is also later revealed by War that she was ready to ignore Death's order but eventually calmed down and decided to stay behind and respect her brother's wishes. And during War's rampage, when he refuses Death's order to come along, she was the one who started shouting that the Council wouldn't be defied, losing her composure the quickest. It might also be that she becomes more agressive, impatient and ferocious the longer she hasn't fought, it might be something builds up over time, waiting to be released. Her desire to become Horseman Leader is also not so unexpected when we look carefully at the comics. In the Graphic Adventure, when Death is ordering War to stand down, Fury isn't looking at War but gazing at Death with a glimmer of annoyance and envy on her face. In Death's Door when they are in the Far Fields to obtain their horses, Death is the first to jump towards the herd, leading her to arrogantly ask: "When did he become the rash one." And we also has her desire to defy Death in the novel. So, it might have always been a part of her character to be at least a bit envious of Death, seeing how close on his hide she is. But in all case, both in the novel, the comic "Death's Door" and the game, we also see that does care about her siblings, does worry about them and wants them to be respected. She might once has felt the desire to lead the horsemen (perhaps extra motivated by missions that have occured in the eons between the Abomination Vault Crisis and Darksiders III), but never did she desire to rule over them.
That is actually the best constructed argument for the seeming inconsistencies with Fury's characterization between Darksiders 3 and the novel, that we've ever heard. Thank you, that's awesome!
This is a lost art in story telling: allowing the audience to piece things together, deduce, and eventually revisit materials with new contexts in mind. This is also a lost art in the audience. Thank you for showing critical thought, as an enjoyer of the media.
@@wiilov Thank you... I won't lie by saying that Fury was exactly how I imagined her to be when I read the novel and many things I only picked up after Darksiders III when I revisited the material myself but in a way, I like her better as this unpredictable force. It suits her name also better. But is indeed starting to get a lost art in audiences, how often I see people describe something as a plothole while it is just them not understanding something because they don't think things through and the source material doesn't state explain every small detail in detail...
I guess Fury's horse dying makes up for the lack of her dying. Perhaps it will be resurrected when War calls them. Otherwise she cant really call herself a horseman despite the line in the game.
Now that the council has betrayed the horsemen, I wonder what comes next for them after DS 5. Will they all die? Or will they just keep doing what they've been doing?
I appreciate the subtle references to her Biblical counter part. Black Rider wields a set of scales. ⚖. The majority of Fury's weapons are dichotomy-based, with symmetry, 2-into-1, and weight/motion based skills. While she starts out unbalanced, her character arc has her humbled and REBALANCED spiritually. God I love this series.
6:05 That's not entirely true (you just need to have Force and Stasis Hollows), I'm in my third playthrough right now and I just defeated Wrath, still need to defeat Abraxis/Lord of Hollows, Sloth, Avarice, Pride, and Envy again. I guess midpoint would be more accurate. Great video as usual, nonetheless.
Her name is Fury. Of course she'll be the one most prone to lashing out. Of course that, by the end, she's a tempered Fury, much more focused instead of just feeling like slaughtering a planet full of demons, or two. I saw some comment of someone saying that War, Fury and Strife all lead to Death, which is why it makes sense that Death is the strongest and their leader, but fury and strife do not necessarily have death as the outcome. Strife can, for example, lead to progress, harmony, consensus, lessons learned, etc.. Fury can manifest in an unfocused way that leads to causing more harm or in a focused and self-aware way that can lead to reducing or stopping further harm, i.e., a fury in self-defense, for self-preservation, for the defense and preservation of the innocent, etc., it can be a fury in defiance of Death, and I think that's what defines her much more than envy for Death, lust for power or pride: her defiance. I don't think defiance is necessarily prideful. She ends up defying even her own "sins", her own beliefs and the Charred Council itself. I think Strife is similar in some ways, as he represents conflict, including inner conflict, but without the fury clouding his thoughts, which is why he seems to have come to answers more quickly, because his nature as Strife is more introspective, questioning and self-questioning, and not to accept all circumstances and everything he's told, although he does play along as he tries to figure things out, and it's shown in Genesis that he doesn't repress it or hide it behind a code or a rigid belief like War does, he actively seeks resolution, and you can't avoid friction to get there. The cherry on top is that his super form is called Anarchy! A curious fact I found was that an archaic meaning for "Strife" was "earnest endeavor", which I also think fits the character well.
Fury was seen twice in the novel. The second time she was seen was when she was sent by the charred council to destroy constructs that attacked an Angel outpost after Death sent the jar of Raviime blood into the oblivion mirror.
We haven't gone anywhere. :) We release other game lore and let's plays if you ever wanted information on a different game. :) Also this isn't the first new DS lore, now that we've finished DS3 we're letting them flow so there are a few more. :)
hopefully when and if the make the game where you can use all four they'll build on her magic , cause one item war had in the first game was Fury's tome
Fury rides the Black Horse, which Biblically is Famine's. Strife would be the equivalent to Conquest/Pestilence as he bears a ranged weapon and rides the White Horse similar to Biblical Conquest/Famine
the only thing that bothered me bout this fury is the black horseman =famine. strife is the only one that can depending on the scripture either pestilence or conquest
I've replayed DS2 like twenty times. Where in the game was it ever stated death "died" because the crow father said Death had to sacrifice the souls of the fallen nephilim towards the well of souls in order to bring back humanity, not sacrifice himself.
Currently on my 5th or 6 th replay of DS2... its one of the best all around games I've ever played... only Zelda Breath of the Wild compares to the game.
War has more spells than Fury who was supposed to be the mage of the 4. Like what? Although Fury's hollow forms are awesome, she has very little compared to War and Death.
I noted the same thing. I wish either marketing hadn't called her a mage or she actually demonstrated mage-like abilities. Still really enjoyed the game; it's just that inaccuracies like that are a pet peeve of mine.
One of devs explained it somehow, she is indeed a mage, but a battle mage and you can see this in her weapons, as she can "form" weapons depending on what magic power she is using, Hollows themselves do not provide new weapons, its Fury's powers
@@sugartoothYT Yes, her main weapon has unique abilities, but it just not transform into something by itself, it's transform to what user want to, however we still talk about "basic" scorn. To fuse Hollows powers with Scorn it require significant magical powers - that's what I meant before
@@sugartoothYT this is more like my explanation, cuz devs usually don't talk a lot. They just quickly said that Fury is more battle mage, cuz whole hollow weapons are possible only because of her powers as a mage
Honest guess? Personally we think that they're overpowered for the Darksiders universe. We doubt that even Death (presumably the strongest horsemen) or Samael could take Vergil or Dante, much less the two of them together.
Conquest = Strife because they are both marksman "Famine" not Pestilence = Fury because like you said a battle mage and fury hunger for power before her personality development Btw do War next
Stasis hollow gives her the power of time and space, not Ice, the edge and scyhtes cut through time and space injuring opponents on all planes of existence. The stone sigil is a power only made for her and it can destroy the charred council. Lucifer states she is remain unaware of the power she possesses. Lucifer's reaction to Lilith shows, Fury should never obtain this power.
Saw this video in my subscriptions and was like " Drop everything, I'm watching this! " Funny thing I noticed too. When I saw the thumbnail, I was reminded of that joke you two made when discussing E3 reveal of Darksiders Genesis and how Fury would ride a human into battle in place her fallen steed Rampage. (RIP, you beautiful thing) Alas, the reason I brought that up was because I thought it'd be cool if the humans, grateful for Fury's help, build her a motorcycle ala Ghost Rider to replace Rampage and Ulthane enchants it to be mystical like the Rider's normal mounts.
First, aww! Second, that would be EPIC! We'll love the horse back because apparently she REALLY loved that horse, but ghost rider bike for Fury would be amazing!
That is a beautiful image I didn't realize how much I needed until now, thank you! If I could draw, I would totally draw Fury on a motorcycle. Sadly, I cannot draw.
