@@bassline9303 We're talking about a movie done more than 13 years earlier than jurassic park, and in different place in the world, and for different budget.
The thing about the dialogue on the attack run is that it is just 100% what would have been said on the bridge of a U Boat. They basically dry ran the procedures without adding anything to it
Im ashamed to admit I only saw this film last Christmas and I was born in 81. I loved it, If I had this on tape as a kid I would have binged watched it to death.
Greyhound is a great ww2 naval movie. Tom Hanks was phenomenal portraying a ship captain. only thing I didn't like was the German U-boats messing with them over the radio.
Despite notable disasters (e.g., SC-7, PQ-17, HG-73), and disadvantages (slower speeds, less stealth, and clustering) it was far safer for Allied freighters to travel in a convoy than independently, regardless of the convoy size. Ships traveling in convoys were 73% less likely to be sunk by submarines then when traveling alone (at least in the Battle of the Atlantic). In fact, in his postwar interrogation, Karl Doenitz (the Kriesgmarine supreme commander) would say that the u-boat campaign was doomed from the start because the operation was never given the prioritization in resources it needed to succeed on their part. Both prewar and wartime uboat naval construction was relegated to a marginal status, despite the fact that Doenitz always stated that he needed a force of 300 submarines to make a blockade effective. At no point in the war were more than 160 uboats operational. Another issue was that the wolf-pack tactics were often dependent upon aerial reconnaissance support from the Luftwaffe. Unfortunately for the Germans, a lack of adequate inter-service cooperation between the Navy and Air Force was a hinderance.
And by mid 1943 the defenses around a convoy were so extensive that it became almost suicidal for U-boats to attack them. Even the cover of night did not help them as radar equipped vessels and aircraft became more ubiquitous in Aliied Navies.
@@Charlie-fk4ly he actually can give you several. Germany commissioned more than 1000 submarines during WW2, by far the most of any nation during the war. even then Fact remains that most of those came after the climax of the battle of the atlantic, during March-May 1943, the point at which the tide definitely turned against german submarines. Dönitz was right in complaining about lack of resources being sent his way, because during the part of the war that really mattered (1939-1943), Germany didn't build the number of submarines needed to win the battle, and when they began churning them in big numbers it only meant sending more submarines to be sunk, at that point numbers alone would not win the battle anymore.
The Weapons Officer may be the Nazi that the rest of the crew don’t like, but my God he knows how to calculate the correct angles and shoot torpedoes dead centre onto a ship.
He tells the bearing of the target, witch needed a trained eye. Also he estimated speed of the target, and the range. Angle off the bow from the sight, and own speed was automaticly put into the mecanical computer and a fire solution was made. This solution decided the direction the gyros were aligned to, and the course of the torpedo. It's pretty autentical to how it was done in the movie.
@@swinetastic There is something reported back about the third torpedo from belowdecks, which I never understood. Something ending in "...gefallen" (fallen). Anyways, three out of four would be considered *excellent* shooting at the time!
@@DevSolar the porblem is the Sub is sometimes translatet 1:1 but since some german worlds mean something differnt its not allways what they actually say. Like at 2:58 "kriechbaum wie ist ihr gefühl" "wird klappen Herr Kaleun, ganz sicher" is translated with "kriechbaum whats your feeling" and "will work, we got them" but it should be "Kriechbaum how you feel about it" "will work, pretty sure" /// 4:13 Da die Zwei die sich überlappen, doppelschuss auf den dicken die anderen einzelschüssel" is translated with "Those two over that way, then we will drop on the big one" should be " there the two that overlap, double shot on the big one, the others single shot"
Sentences like 3:55 clearly distinguishes a German war movie from an American war movie. "Achten Sie mir auf den Schmieröldruck" is a detail, that probably will never be seen in Hollywood.
In the director's cut, this scene happens about 1/2 way through the film. Up to that point, it's been boring, waiting and a botched encounter with a destroyer. At this point, you feel like a crew member who has been waiting weeks for this encounter.
Reading some of the wonderful comments, Das Boot isn't necessarily about the Kriegsmarine. The crew of the U-boat symbolize the struggle young men had to go through in naval warfare. It's another age that soon will be mostly forgotten but it's important to remember the sacrifices made. The sailors making fun/frowning upon the nazi regime reinforces that they are you, me, ordinary souls dragged into a war. Thats why its so easy to fall in love with this piece of art.
@Taras Wertelecki It was a joke... And killing a U-Boat with a single salvo? I don´t call 400 depth-charges a single salvo :P And even some boats escaped alive from more than this. Obviously quite nerve-rattled, but they did (the captain of a boat that got 478 depth-charges thrown on it *did* commit suicide during the attack, so it was the 1WO -1st Watch Officer- that saved it and got it home) survive quite some pounding. This is 10 early war destroyers worth of depth-charges, and 5 late war destroyers worth of depth-charges. This movie is set in 1941, Hedgehogs and mortar ´bombs´ (I suspect you´re referring to the Squid?) didn´t exist yet. Timeframe is everything obviously: in 1940 the British didn´t have more than 2 or 3 destroyers per convoy, sometimes even worse and there were... None! The only thing that prevented catastrophe, was the fact that there were not enough U-Boats either. And the British are darn smart in terms of Naval Intelligence too. Later in the war, they did indeed have more lethal weaponry against U-Boats, as you mentioned, like the Hedgehog. But it took a long time before they got to the point of perfecting them. And even than, new tactics and technology like the Snorkel and fighting submerged 24/7 reduced the efficiency of these weapons considerably. Hedgehog required a solid ASDIC-fix in order to be effective/fired. But from 1944 onward, U-Boats started operating in coastal waters around Britain. And there this became near impossible due to bottom reflections and wrecks. Often they pounded a contact for hours on end, only to realize it was U-Boat or shipwreck sunk 4 years earlier. By the way, ´calling in back-up´ is *exactly* what the lead boat of every Wolfpack was supposed to do: drawing away the escorts, so the rest could move in and dissect the convoy with impunity. So playing escort was a thankless task, usually they pushed the U-Boats down until they were out of torpedo-range, and than returned to convoy ASAP. And one of the most unspoken of tactic of all against the U-Boats, was by simply rerouting the convoys around the Wolfpacks. That´s what I love about Das Boot, it´s set near the end of the First Happy Time, and U-96´s Captain notices something isn´t right, since they just can´t seem to find anything, because of non-stop rerouting. What he (and nobody else on the German side except a few smarter ones later) did not know, was that the British were reading along with Enigma, so how to win a tonnage war? Just don´t fight them :P Avoiding enemy concentrations is just as much a strategy as is a head-on attack against them. The Red Army did the same with their Intelligence and Counter-intelligence agencies during WW2 on the Eastern Front. But, we´re way of course here. Regards, Thomas
What always impress me that it not just a simple submarine movie like from Hollywood, where just all works fine and the function is explained in 30 seconds. In this movie you see >Das Boot< from bow to the stern in all details, mechanics and physics. Even when the boat starts the attack you know there are guys at the engine, at the torpedo station, at the torpedo targeting machine and at the rudder. Even when the four torpedoes left their tubes, you can imagine how the first engineer starts calculation immediately, because the total weight of the boat sank about nearly 6050kg, if you take a typical G7e torpedo. In the novel it is explained that way: He has to calculate the total weight of the boat with the mass of Diesel the engines use daily. So he has to calculate if the boat starts running or drive middle speed. The consuption of water and food, even the digested has to flow into his computations. The firing of torpedoes and even the salinity of the sea he have to consider! " Well, we go to sea with a lot of physics!" First engineer in the novel!
Es heißt nicht "Segel", sondern "Feger". Damit waren Zerstörer gemeint, die mit großer Geschwindigkeit vor dem Geleitzug hin und her fuhren, um nach U-Booten zu suchen bzw. sie zu vertreiben.
The U boats were still able to pull off night surface attacks at this stage of the war. By 1943, US and British sub hunting planes could spot the U Boats at night with radar, sneak up on them, then illuminate them with a powerful spotlight, before either bombing them or fire machine guns and cannons at them. The US Navy pulled off what the Kreigsmarine could never do. They were able to strangle Japan with an incredibly successful campaign against Japan's merchant fleet. US subs attacked mostly at night, on the surface, like what was portrayed here. Japanese radar was poor or often, non existent.
This is one of the best films made, I watch in German with English subtitles and I worked on diesel boats and the smells on the last British boats and the sweaty stink mixed with diesel will never forget. Beide Diesel vollmacht
War movies have been biases to one side or the other. This movie does not make hero's or enemies of the German U-boat sailors. Instead, it grips the viewer with realistic depictions of what it was like to be a U-boat sailor for the Gemans in WWII. It starts off with young (17 year old to 25 year old) who have been filled with propaganda about the war effort and glorious battle. After this young crew of immature sailors start to experience the true horrors of war, you can not only see, but experience with them the boredom, laughter, camaraderie, team work and death. In a world where you have no windows, where your ears have to be your eyes, where a cat and mouse game is played and the looser dies, these young men age 10 to 15 years It makes the viewer realize the horror of submarine warfare in WWII. The most realistic war movie I have ever seen. Hello from India.
Debatable but on extremely solid ground as the best war/ anti-war film ever made bar none . This attack scene was just on the cusp of when the “Happy Times “ ended for the U Boats as the ultimate stealth weapon of mass destruction. Allied sonar technology, aircraft patrols and the cracking of the Enigma code by British Intel spelled the end for Kreigsmarine warriors . Historical note : US Navy submarine warfare tactics were adapted identical to those of the Germans in that submarines are deployed as OFFENSIVE STEALTH weapons. The perfect destructive force on land or sea in any age .
My favorite scene of the movie, but its funny how certain (German) engine commands are always mistranslated in movies. "Beide Maschinen AK voraus" would translate to "all ahead flank", not "ahead full" ^^. Das Boot isn't the only movie production that gets that one wrong.
I watched the full series in 1985 when it first came out. Absolutely terrifying and you can smell the fear. War beneath the waves changed fresh faced young men into haggard old men inside days. Pure genius and the best war film ever.
Tonci, I have one more question for you, but this time about the game mechanics and the level of realism. I noticed that many SH3 players who want to play 100% with reality, measure the torpedo attack themselves. However, here comes my question: What is the role of the torpedo officer? Shouldn't he be the one making the torpedo attack? Similar situation as firing the deck gun? The captain does not operate the gun himself. He issues an order and has dedicated people for it. Similarly with navigation, engine maintenance and repair of a damaged ship. In the movie "Das Boot" there is a scene of an attack on a convoy. The captain first consults with one of the officers whether to attack ( he is probably convinced, but he is looking for confirmation only ), and then during the charge towards the convoy, all the coordinates are given by the first officer and the captain just watches through binoculars. So the captain shouldn't make all the measurements himself, should he? I'm an ordinary player and I don't know what it was like historically, but it seems to me (I may be wrong) that the captain observes and makes decisions regarding the attack - but the coordination and the attack itself are carried out in close cooperation with the officers. So maybe giving an order to the torpedo officer would be more "realistic"? I play two ways. In calmer seas, I make measurements myself, but in more difficult situations, when I may not make it on time or the weather conditions are difficult, I ask the torpedo officer for help and I only direct the ship to the most convenient course for firing. In my career gameplay I have 92 ...or 97% realism, because I have "torpedo officer help" turned ON. If we compare the game with the scene from Das Boot - help of the 1st officer and torpedo officer should be accepted as 100% realistic. Plus one more thing... love your gameplay!
Hello, may be this could help: For surface attacks the German U-Boats used the so called "Nibelungen-Gerät" (Nibelungen-device) which was able to predict the ideal point to fire off the torpedos upon the default settings which were adjusted (at 3:34) based on the calculation of the own and target speed, the angle and torpedo speed - at 4:33 You see when it signaled the cover between the target and the torpedo default settings. This devices worked with acoustic signals which were reflected by the target and worked very accurate but had a big problem: The British navy developed a receiver that could detect that acoustic signal and their destroyers had to just follow the signal to its source. That is why there was no British destroyer seen when the Germans observed the convoy and suddenly the destroyer appeared.
American destroyers were shielding the convoy from New York, Boston and Miami etc halfway in the atlantic before the British Destroyers took over. Thats when the U-Boats attacked like in the scene once the Americans handed over to the British all hell breaks loose like in this scene. Because Hitler and the Nazis was wary of dragging America into the war. So they left the Americans alone. There is a story when Japan attacked pearl harbour. Hitler and the Nazis were totally shocked. They had been very careful not to drag America into the war upto that point.
This is 1942-43, just at the end of happy times. In addition U-96 was a Type VII, it didn't have the range to reach the U.S coast and get back again (unless she was resupplied at sea, another risky endeavor).
2:02 As soon as I heard them say it was unescorted I instantly thought of the uranium delivery ship where they got the packed to its destination for the 2 nukes but on their way back they got attacked by a U-boat
@@cheeseandonions9558 Same could be said about most any war movie really, plus it was *1981* so I think they get away with that, had to go with what was practical.
Did they really trim/crash dive the boat by shifting crew around, back then?? Type VII C has big depth rudder in front, would guess crash diving that way to be more effective, especially at high speed/high rudder force. Shifting 4t/40crew around on 800t boat seems a bit ridiculous to me, too.
That was common practice, yes. Don´t know how other navys handled this, but on german subs this was executed in practice drills over and over again. The reason is simple: when the enemy has sighted you, every second counts. You want to get away from the surface asap, otherwise you may catch a shot from the destroyers guns.
The launched 4 torbs. 2 torps on one big ship and 2 single tops one two single ships. One smaller ship and the big one sunk right away but the last one was set on fire. They shot another torp later on it. That's the scene were the english sailors jump into the water later in the movie. I hope I could help you with my comment
4:25 drei und sechs zieg he said for 63 right ? i never understood the rule of number pronouciation or why germans are reading numbers from right to left. If somebody can tell me i will appreciate.
Think of Lincoln's "Four score and seven years ago" ---- he could have just said "Eighty seven years ago ..." but that would not have been as poetic. Not that being poetic is the reason for German's numerical structure - it is what @vincent vega says below --- legacy from the older root languages. Old English - which is very heavy Germanic - did it just like modern German, as Mr. Vega points out. And because English is (according to linguists) a Germanic language, it's actually fairly easy to learn (assuming your native language is English).
Wäre cool, wenn's eine Neuverfilmung gäbe, wo die Männer von Frauen gespielt werden und die Frauen von Männern. Sozusagen ein reverse. Frau Kaleun, und in der Bar am Anfang ein Stripper statt der Monique.
Absolut bescheuerte Idee, man muss doch nicht jeden Klassiker neuverfilmen und diese dann krampfhaft woke gestalten. Diese Ghostbusters Katastrophe reicht eh.
Kommt zwar gut in einem Film, aber keine U-Boot-Kommandant würde mit voller Kraft vorraus aufgetaucht einen Konvoi angreifen. Schon garnicht bei Vollmond. Zu dem würde nicht alle Mann auf dem Turm nur gepannt nach vorne schauen sondern bis auf denn Kapitän und denn 1. Offizier weiterhin die Umgebung im Auge behalten.
@psyjager Er befiehlt erst kleine Fahrt voraus als der Konvoi durchs Fernglas gut zu erkennen ist. Zu diesem Zeitpunkt hätten die Begleitzerstörer schon längst das Schraubengeräusch geortet und das fahrende Boot dank Kielwasser entdeckt. Aber du wirst uns bestimmt erklären können warum dem nicht so ist.
@@chris-su8ns 1.) Nein, er befiehlt sogar erst dann kleine Fahrt, als die Mündungsklappen geöffnet werden sollen (aus offensichtlichen Gründen.) 2.) Es wird in der Szene nun wirklich ausführlich dargestellt, dass aus Sicht des Uboots keine gegnerischen Sicherungsfahrzeuge auf dieser Seite des Geleitzugs aktiv sind und dass deswegen der schnelle Angriff das Risiko wert ist. 3.) Passives Sonar war zu diesem Zeitpunkt, zumal nach Auffassung der Deutschen, weit weniger bedeutend als es das heute ist. Bleibt das Kielwasser, und genau das riskiert der "Alte" erst, nachdem sich eine Wolkenfront vor den Mond schiebt.
AK wurde durchaus häufiger befohlen um das Boot schnell auf Kurs zu bringen. Mit etwas googlen findest auch du Fahrtberichte im Internet, KTBs und dergleichen, dort kannst du genau nachlesen, wie ein Torpedoangriff wirklich ablief.
@@chris-su8ns Nein. Schraubengeräusche waren damals an der Oberfläche kaum zu orten. Simple Akkustik. Um ein Geräusch an oder nahe der Obefläche zu hören, muss der Sensor deutlich tiefer sein, z.B. in einem Schleppsonar, was es aber damals wohl nur experimentell gab. Schraubengeräusche an der Oberfläche wurden durch den Wellengang zur Unkenntlichkeit gebrochen und verfälscht. U-Boote waren damals eigentlich Tauchboote und an der Oberfläche deutlich sicherer als getaucht, da schneller und wendiger. Als später Radar aufkam änderten sich die Verhältnisse.
Just watched this scene again and you can tell this is a seriously well trained crew. The speed at which the bow crew act in unison and sprint towards the front of the boat to dive quickly after the destroyer is sighted is quite something. There’s something about orders being barked in German and the camera following the crew through the compartments that gives this scene such authenticity. Brilliant film making!
The movie is based off the book of the same name by Lothar-Günther Buchheim who was a naval war correspondent and followed U 96 on her seventh patrol. U 96 went on 11 patrols, sunk over 180k tons of shipping, and never lost a man. By the seventh patrol she and her crew already had sunk over 100k tonnage. The crew you are seeing are extremely experienced Vets who probably are the most experienced U boat crew in the world at this time.
@@jxfwliz5ldnheeg Nope. Just nope. Even if you see that Reporter as Buchheim himself (which is not true). Buchheim as a naval correspondent had a very taff basic training (Marinegrundausbildung) in Glücksstadt. He often relates in his novels (there are three: Das Boot, Die Festung, Der Abschied) to this days. Always with sarcasm and sometimes pure anger because training was that hard. Glücksstadt btw translates to Happy Town. So Buchheim knew how to shoot a rifle very well. This is no newbie crew. The newbie crews (and Captains and Officers) came later when all the veterans already died in the sea because of the superior strength of the allied forces, modern radar technology in airplanes and the ultra secret programm of the Brits.
Loved this movie from when I was a kid, it's well directed and brilliantly acted (Jurgen Prochnow) in particular, but what made it even better and more atmospheric for me, at least, was Klaus Doldinger's music, it made the movie pulse pounding. best submarine movie ever, first time I actually rooted for the Germans in a war movie.
But the characters (with the exception of the First Watch Officer [the only guy who shaves]) are de-Nazified to a somewhat unrealistic degree, which makes them more sympathetic to the audience. Only one bought-in Nazi in a 50-man U-Boat crew? A year before Stalingrad? Seems a little suspect. The movie, that said, is otherwise brilliant.
@@johndevlin it may come as a surprise to you, but not all Germans were supportive of the Nazis. Some saw through the nonsense, but its hard to do something when your government is Authoritarian in nature and they rule through fear.
Decades ago, nothing on tv so I went out to rent a movie. I picked Das Boot and I didn't notice it was the much longer directors cut, only after I found myself glued at the screen well past midnight. Just an absolutely brilliant film
Fantastic film indeed, I too originally saw it as the Directors cut. Three versions I know of that can be found. The theatrical release at 2Hr 30min, directors cut at 3Hr 29Min and the original cut at 4Hrs 53Min that was released as a mini series.
same, and always underwater in the daytime and above water at night (though depends if the moon is out or not)...i also use the deck gun if the convoy ships have no weapons
Originally released in 1981, the film Das Boot is based on the true story of a German Submarine and its crew during World War II…a chillingly detailed look at the rigors n horrors of combat in a U-boat during War. During WWII U Boats were a menace but by 1942 they got hunted by destroyer escorts n aerial attacks. It became almost impossible for Kreigsmarine to complete missions n by end of 1944 German Navy was almost crippled. This convoy attack scene always disturbs me to the core. It never goes out from my mind. War makes nations warriors n people so blind that even poets write poems in sadness n Fury.
Ahhhh the calm before the storm,the tension building,the tension at its height as they attack and then all hell breaks loose.Great stuff and love the end with dive of all sailors to ship bow to add weight to force the bow under and start the dive!
That movie is perfect they should make more of them Maybe Panzer Ases (speaking of Frantz Kurowsky War reports) Heroes like M.Witmann Kurt Knispel Otto Carius Albert Ernst A.Barkmann Willy Jahde and many more Battalion 502 503 512 and so
Michael Wittmann with “ Bobby” his gunner would be interesting story. Damn if I had millions to spare I would produce this movie no matter what critics.
Konvoi = Convoy as you would in English. Geleitzug = Escorted Convoy in a Line. Geleit directly translates to "Escort". "Zug" has many meanings but usually involves movement along a line or chain as a group from Point A to Point B (Which is why trains are also called Zug since they carry carriages as a chain on the tracks) When together, Geleitzug translates in this context to "Group of escort ships in a line moving together" while Konvoi generally translates to a "convoy of ships" in this context. Geleitzug is more specific and descriptive than Konvoi. A bit similar to say "A group of soldiers vs a platoon of soldiers." Platoon is more descriptive and specific compared to group. Edit: Spelling
I just wanted hear the quiet deep groaning and clanging with a little sonar beep on top. A little 7.1 surround world for background as I do my work.....
