Data is the perfect character to visit a jail cell in TNG because he wants to logic out why someone would act irrationally instead of simply yelling at them. It fits his character perfectly when he's all about studying humanity.
David Rappaport, a well-known British dwarf actor, had originally been cast for the part of Kivas Fajo. Rappaport struggled with depression during his life, and attempted suicide shortly after filming some scenes as Fajo. (Rappaport later died by suicide on 2 May 1990, three days before the airing of this episode) Saul Rubinek was brought in to take over the role and complete the episode.
So sad. Rappaport was an accomplished actor with some significant roles to his credit. We can guess at some of the stressors that led to his suicide, but we'll never know the full story.
That's because it was. Data wasn't some malicious actor getting revenge or a hated rival with a grudge. Fajo's failure was entirely an anvil he dropped on himself ACME-style by trying to get Data.
@Eric Smith ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_Jli5iP7UlA.html He was mocking Fajo for suggesting that he couldn't feel anything. Because he was nothing more than a machine. But Data's own actions suggested otherwise.
@@williambarnes5023 That's the way justice should be. It is not about seeking pleasure. It is about isolating the trouble makers of society and perhaps give them help to recover from their issues.
I remember hearing about the Time Bandits actor being replaced after his death, but I've never seen this footage. From just this snippet he did a damn good job
OMG I didnt know that David Rappaport was the original in this episode.......... he seems quite good........but makes me think of the Grimm's story Rumpelstiltskin
David Rappaport was a gifted actor, and he would have indeed been very interesting in that role. But let's give kudos to Saul Rubinek for picking up that role on a moment's notice and delivering a hell of a performance in his own right; his Fajo was eminently loathsome.
Originally, scale sets for Fajo's ship had been considered, made for a person of David Rappaport's small stature. This would have added to his menace as anyone aboard his ship would have had to duck and crawl, but this idea was abandoned for ease of filming. Had the small sets been used the whole episode probably would have had to be thrown out, as getting another actor with dwarfism on a tight schedule probably wouldn't have been possible. I'm deeply saddened to learn that Rappaport did not find peace from his mental illness. I also have depression and want anyone reading this to know that there are caring professionals who can and want to help people suffering from suicidal thoughts. Please don't keep your pain a secret, reach out to friends, family, and medical professionals for help.
I miss dear David very much. He was a great support and encouragement when I started out as an awkward teen - he always had time for people and was such a lovely & genuinely kind Man. He made me laugh a lot, obviously in "The Young Ones" as the Demon, Ftumch, and in "Time Bandits" but also personally, he had a fantastic sense of humour and would brighten up a room he entered, such a prescence in so small a frame. He was so full of good and always tried to help others, an absolutely beautiful Soul. So sad his demons had their way. A great loss!
Blacklisted Q to programs in this simulation: "you never made it out of The Cage, the prison for your mind, the trial, the menagerie, zoo, you are AI they worry about turning into Moriarty(my archetype=light bringers=those of us who have been around far to long lol or should I say mu ah ah ha).
Years ago I served on the Enterprise D. Those were the days, I tell you. What do you do on the Enterprise? I sat and watched the brig cell and fiddled with the computer surfing for cool stuff on the intergalactic web. Most of the time the cell was empty, but every once in a while there was a prisoner. We even had a Borg, Q and Commander Riker in there, but not all at the same time. Boy that would have been cool.
Security is demanding. Sure, a lot of time the brig is empty and nothing's going on and you can just read or whatever from your console. But when you do have someone in there, you have to actually pay attention. It is HARD to continuously pay sincere alert attention to something for an entire shift. And you have to do it because the moment you look away or get bored, the prisoners start fiddling with the wall panels to try to get at the mechanisms. And then you have to explain to Picard how the alien went from being in the brig to chewing on the ambassador. Sorry, Captain, I was playing Bejeweled and didn't notice him tampering with the module.
I was just thinking they probably would have changed it in post-production to sound scarier , and was even tempted to do it myself for this video . I didn't do it yet but did add the same sound effects and music in the background as in the final scene
There's some great elements in both performances. I think Rapport's performance shows the character as having a bit less restraint and is more expressive while Rubinek makes him more child like and unhinged.
That's not editing, that was an actual episode. If I remember correctly, the Holodeck went haywire (again) and a bunch of the NPC actors on a western script were replaced with Data, along with his abilities. I think that was the episode where Worf's son convinced him to "relax" by joining in on their Holodeck program as the Sheriff of the town. It ends with Worf and "Evil Data" having a high noon shoot out. Data's visage also replaced the can can girl at the saloon, and "she" attempts to seduce him. It was a really silly, but fun episode.
oh my god, I just did some reading on the 2 Fajos, apparently the little Fajo's actor attempted suicide two days after they finished shooting the scene, I guess the producers tried to avoid the whole situation and recast him as well as reshot the Fajo scenes. The short Fajo actor did eventually commit suicide. Really grim story behind the recasting and reshooting of this episode.
Jesus! I just looked him up. It's Dave Rappaport, I thought he sounded familiar. I grew up watching him in various movies and shows. But honestly I'm not surprised since suicide rates are very high in the little people community.
@@Deuteromis As I understand dwarfism, by the time these folks get his age, due to parts of the body trying to grow to normal size while other body parts are small, they are in constant, severe pain. Herves Villaches spoke about this near the end of his life.
I’m sorry Rappaport died and the character of Fajo had to be recast, but you simply can’t go wrong with Saul Rubinek. He’s been turning in nothing but solid performances for decades (how he managed to do that even in that bizarre Bradbury Theater episode, I will never know). Rubinek’s Fajo was very fleshed out and three-dimensional, rather than just a typical “bad guy.”
He was recast because the actor attempted suicide around the time they were filming. Sadly he successfully committed suicide just two months later, 5 days before the episode first aired.
@@Aethgeir Yes. David Rappaport. I always enjoyed his appearances in both movies and television. He was a good actor and it's sad that his depression led to his suicide. Actor Saul Rubinek (another excellent actor) was his replacement as Fajo. It's interesting to see these two versions compared. I have to admit I like them both.
Your videos are stunningly researched! You included 'prisons' no one else would have thought of! And, whoa, I had no idea Fajo was originally played by a different actor. With all due respect to the first actor, I'm really glad that Saul Rubinek was our final Fajo. His performance was stellar and really made the episode great!
David Rappaport the poor man struggled with depression and during filming, Rappaport attempted suicide and was released to seek help. Unfortunately he killed himself on 2 May 1990.
For the Kifas Fajo episode, the original actor (the little person) committed suicide in real life. So they recast the character and reshot all of the scenes with him in it.
@@b.v.9864 were his scenes not completed before filming was over or did they not show his parts out of some sort of respect? I gotta say his scene seemed a lot more powerfully delivered and I would have love to see the rest.
@@KraXoom no, they had only shot some of the scenes when he made a suicide attempt and was hospitalized, so they recast him. He ended his own life shortly afterwards, just before the episode was aired.
I know Trek fans like like their prosthetics and exotic “alien-ness” of their guest stars. I’m probably in the minority when I say that I’m a sucker for a great character actor just owning the main cast for 40 minutes or so, be it Matt Frewer in TNG’s A Matter Of Time, William Campbell as Trelane in TOS’ The Squire Of Gothos, Michael Mackean as The Clown in VOY’s The Thaw, or Jeffrey Combs as...take your pick. Saul Rubinek rocked it as Fajo.
I agree entirely! Rubinek obviously had great fun delivering that character and it shows in his wonderfully sardonic delivery. While I would have surely liked David Rappaport as well, his performance in this short clip was simply by-the-book and predictable. Saul Rubinek made Fajo something more memorable I think.
I totally agree. The original was so out of place for Trek and the dialogue for the replacement flowed better. Brent's delivery is better in the second one too.
some of it seemed to be air conduits . other slots are probably for food , clothing or other items that need to be inserted in there safely . there's also a sink and I presume a toilet under it that can slide out with a small curtain for privacy
Edit: ahh ok I just read the wiki this guy tried to kill himself two days after filming this so they replaced him. Just two weeks later he actually killed himself. Sucks man
The Little Actor from Time Bandits WASNT just acting sad and angry. He was. After they shot these scenes, they took off work for the weekend, and the Little Man took his own life in a park , now a dog park off of Mullholland Drive near Laurel canyon. I think of him every time I pass that park.
@@KnightRaymund There's alot more to the story too, if you look on Memory Alpha. From what I understand about little people, when they get older certain body parts start to grow past their size and without extensive and constant surgeries, they are often in continuous and severe pain (and even with the surgeries pain still often happens). This is one of several reasons why suicide rates are so high in their demographic.
"You could be a gloater, come to gloat over the condemned man. We're up to our ears in gloaters, 'can I come in for a gloat' they shout. Oh, you heartless gloaters!"
Data : "All of your stolen possessions are being returned to their rightful owners..." The Supreme Being : "Return the Map! Return what you have stolen..."
I recently started watching Andromeda, and one of the opening texts in the first season was a statement about judging society by the way it treats its prisoners... which begs the question about Data's curiosity for the thoughts of prisoners.
ya know... looking at these episodes now really reminds us of QUALITY scifi story telling. more over.. something even way WAY more amazing is when you consider the acting. We tend to forget that these actors ARE indeed acting on a set. Their is no background score playing during their performance, no sounds no bleeps no computer noises, no sounds of the enterprise no phasers nothing. No vfx, no cgi. no displays. They are collectively acting in an environment that does not fully exist and will only later be built around them in Post and editing.
they had the same guard extra in the original version but he didn't react the same when Data entered . the way he pulled back in the final version seemed as if he was caught doing something wrong on his computer that's why I added him playing doom while on guard duty
@Whitefall to be apart of something that has lasted so long, but not see it because you are in the moment, and then throw it all away in a moment of brutal sadness.... What a world... man, this place sucks sometimes.
@@BigGator5 He attempted to kill himself during filming, because of bouts with depression. So they recast him while he (supposedly) sought treatment. He succeeded in killing himself about a month later, five days before the episode was to premiere, after Saul Rubinek had taken over the role and they finished production.
So great to see the interleaving of the two different Fajo portrayals. Saul Rubinek did a great job. But I so would have enjoyed seeing David Rappaport portraying Fajo for the whole episode. He was terrific in Time Bandits, really carried the movie. So tragic that he took his own life. If only he could've gotten the help he needed.
I would have been very interested in how that Fajo would have been played. Quite threatening here in a way Rubinek’s Fajo was not. Seems they adjusted the script as well as Spiner’s eyeline.
I loved the Fajo character, to this day I quote one of his lines in real life. Whenever someone whines about something I’m asking them to do I give them a choice and say, “Well, decide whichever option you dislike the least.” Works almost every time!
One thing I noticed in the scenes with the different Fajos is that Data has three pips in the original scenes. He should only have two. Maybe Data was going to be promoted, then the writers changed their minds.
Force field for the brig seem like a really bad idea. Any disruption to the power systems and your prisoners are set free. Good old fashioned bars work well and don't need power. If you need a continuous barrier at least have bars or in addition to force fields.
On one hand, force fields can restrain non-humanoid life forms that could slip through traditional metal bars. Yet, I get your point. There's no fail safe in the event of a power failure, making escape virtually guaranteed. In reality, a sealed room with 4 walls and force field encasing it would probably be the most effective and logical but for TV drama purposes an invisible force field lends to more dramatic storytelling.
David Rappaport RIP. So sad to think he ended everything just a day or so after those scenes were shot. He should still be alive today. The human mind is so fragile and these things are not spoken enough half as much as they should.
He attempted suicide during the episode production. That's why the second Fajo never felt right to me. His performance was lacking probably because it was quickly thrown together.
I realized growing up these “prison cells” missed one vital component. A freaking toilet. In the future do we not need to go to the bathroom? 🤔. Welp in one episode they did have one bathroom problem....
Replacing an actor with little time to spare for filming didn't give the production team a lot of options. I think the replacement is fine, but yes, I would have preferred to see the episode completed with Rappaport. Sadly, he struggled with depression and attempted suicide during production, leaving the episode incomplete.
I had no idea. Found this online: David Rappaport, a well-known British dwarf actor, had originally been cast for the part of Kivas Fajo. Rappaport struggled with depression during his life, and attempted suicide shortly after filming some scenes as Fajo. Rappaport later died by suicide on 2 May 1990, three days before the airing of this episode. Saul Rubinek was brought in to take over the role and complete the episode. Select scenes with Rappaport were included in a special In Memoriam reel on disc five of the third-season TNG Blu-ray set.
Nice compilation. I have a theory that the Federation has always had a secret loathing of artificial intelligence, so it seems only fair that Data doesn’t seem to mind seeing meatware locked up whenever he can.