JJ does not have a comp. There is no QB that went 27-1 as a starter, threw the ball at 61MPH, ran a 4.56 40 and has not even played a down over age 20.
He also led his first high school team to back to back state championship games winning one and then led his second high school to a consensus high school national championship. Guy has won at every level and has the absolute IT factor necessary to be truly elite in the NFL. Elway was the ceiling comp that stuck out to me. Winning mentality. Cool under pressure. Cannon arm to throw into tight windows at every level. Enough athleticism for his era to extend plays and win off script.
So this whole thing boils down to treating Brugler's analysis as gospel. Brilliant. Brugler has his own draft board, right? Why even bother with the text analysis and comp nonsense when you can just use Brugler's ranking directly?
It’s really time for all of us to sit back and enjoy the draft. Because when it’s over we will all be saying I told you so. Or this is the dumbest thing ever everyone should be fired.
Matthew, regular listener and will continue to be. But I have to say- 15 minutes into this podcast and so far, this is the most word salad thing I have heard in a long time. I feel like your guest could have made his point in 2 sentences instead of 1000.
Apologies if this has been mentioned before...but is there not a situation where if Maye goes to Washington and Pats don't take a QB, could we not see a situation where Daniels goes to the Giants. A team with a fair setup already around a QB that can scramble?
If that happens then I think they would draft him if the Vikings don't move up but its possible that one QB slides past the Giants and we don't have to give up #23 to trade up from #11 to #7 or #8.
The Vikings should push the Falcons about swapping their first round selections, that result would be less than what the NFL is likely to do possibly taking away a second round or even a first round pick. The swapping of first round picks is equal to a middle of the third round pick.
This guy is completely unable to get to the point. If he has anything insightful to share, it would have been nice if he had just said it instead of reiterating his entire speil about the process of the data analysis several times.
Apples to grapefruits. I love analytics and these kinds of discussions. However, the only way this specific analysis has any true meaningful value is if every QB he is evaluating goes into the same system, with the same players and the same coach and is then judged accordingly. Mahomes would not be the Mahomes he is today had he been drafted by the 2023 Carolina Panthers. Peyton Manning was terrible his first year. If he had been benched, he would have bounced around as a backup and more likely than not today be considered a bust. How would Brock Purdy look today if he played for the 'Skins or a similar bottom-tier team without a good coach and scheme and talent in every direction? Each of these players has the ability to be a good NFL quarterback and, depending upon where they land and how they are developed, some could be Hall of Famers. But random evaluations and comparisons to other players of past drafts and how they turned out has little or no meaningful value because there is no consistent yardstick against which to compare them, apple to apples. Mathew--curious as to your take.
Exactly. It would be interesting to add the data points of what team they went to, the scheme played, the quality of supporting cast and stability of coaching.
I think if you can't get Maye you wait for 11 and if you can get JJ at 11 find . But I feel like you're getting a quarterback that needs to have players around him when I feel the same way with penix and Bo Nix
Maye is the guy that will only ever be as good as the team around him. Fear is the mind killer and that guy routinely flubs it with some head scratchers. His YPA and completion percentage plummet under pressure and it will continue to be an issue in the NFL. Caps his celing to never be elite. Elite QBs step up in big moments and in big games and don’t check it down on 4th and 7 with the season on the line. I’ll root for him if the Vikings draft Maye but would like to avoid another Cousins type mental makeup.
Moving up for JJ just doesn’t seem justifiable. Only Maye is. I’m more in favor of moving up a prospect that projects likely perennial pro bowler. Tin foil hat take: move up for Harrison Jr or Nabors. Pass on QBs. Or stay at 11 & 23, grab top corner and Latu at 23. Grabbing WR1 or WR2 gives them so much future flexibility. Sign Jefferson to extension. Could trade him for a draft haul in future. Still have Harrison Jr or Nabors.
In what way is Maye's resume better than JJ? Serious question. Other than raw yards and 269 completions v 250, JJ is better in virtually every stat: yards/pass, passing efficiency rating, completion rate, int/game. JJ threw the 3rd fastest ball at the combine EVER. He ran a 4.58, 40. He is also younger than Maye.
@@SmashTheNumbersgreat question. First, we’re talking about evaluating potential & risk-aversion. An analytics on a recent show asked a great question: “if JJ is an otherworldly QB, why didn’t he throw more?” That’s underutilizing an asset. It’s fair Harbaugh had a plan. And it worked. And JJ shouldn’t be faulted for it. But Harbaugh bet more on running the ball than leaning more heavily on JJ. Add Maye’s high-end tools, I think there’s less justification for trading farm for someone who might have franchise-changing tools. I’m not sure I want JJ even at 23. I’d sooner trade 11 & 23 for chance to draft Harrison Jr or Nabors. I’d bet on Darnold thriving with all those weapons.
Josh Dobbs in a interview said that the Vikings could have their future quarterback on their roster and he was talking about Jaren Hall. I haven't heard a thing about this at all. No one's going to get deep about this because of the drafts coming up and it's all about picking a quarterback in the top 10.
@@gaetanoschristmaschannel why the hell would he lie about something like that. It's actual factual what he said. Why do you think what he said isn't true dude!!!
Jaren Hall was a 5th rounder picked to be depth and a practice squad guy. out of a hundred 5th round QBs, only a handful ever turn into a solid backup and even less turn into real starters. There's a reason we're talking about the draft, and a player hyping up one of his teammates isn't enough to make a difference to the discussion to anyone.
@@catsfordays6096 dude look at his numbers outside of the Packers game at the end of the season when they were pushing forward for a playoff position when we had injuries and they were blitzing him consistently his numbers were actually above par for a rookie quarterback
