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In the stories that make up Oblivion, David Foster Wallace joins the rawest, most naked humanity with the infinite involutions of self-consciousness--a combination that is dazzlingly, uniquely his. These are worlds undreamt-of by any other mind. Only David Foster Wallace could convey a father's desperate loneliness by way of his son's daydreaming through a teacher's homicidal breakdown ("The Soul Is Not a Smithy"). Or could explore the deepest and most hilarious aspects of creativity by delineating the office politics surrounding a magazine profile of an artist who produces miniature sculptures in an anatomically inconceivable way ("The Suffering Channel"). Or capture the ache of love's breakdown in the painfully polite apologies of a man who believes his wife is hallucinating the sound of his snoring ("Oblivion"). Each of these stories is a complete world, as fully imagined as most entire novels, at once preposterously surreal and painfully immediate.
David Foster Wllace was born in Ithaca, New York, in 1962 and raised in Illinois, where he was a regionally ranked junior tennis player. He received bachelor of arts degrees in philosophy and English from Amherst College and wrote what would become his first novel, The Broom of the System, as his senior English thesis. He received a masters of fine arts from University of Arizona in 1987 and briefly pursued graduate work in philosophy at Harvard University. His second novel, Infinite Jest, was published in 1996. Wallace taught creative writing at Emerson College, Illinois State University, and Pomona College, and published the story collections Girl with Curious Hair, Brief Interviews with Hideous Men, Oblivion, the essay collections A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again, and Consider the Lobster. He was awarded the MacArthur Fellowship, a Lannan Literary Award, and a Whiting Writers' Award, and was appointed to the Usage Panel for The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. He died in 2008. His last novel, The Pale King, was published in 2011.
"Welcome, O life! I go to encounter for the millionth time the reality of experience and to forge in the smithy of my soul the uncreated conscience of my race."

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@animatedblueproductions
@animatedblueproductions 8 лет назад
Hearing David speak his words has allowed me to write more honestly and maybe even just a bit more off the edge of my everyday habits. I can resonate with someone who truly feels like he is faced with an impossible decision to interpret the life around him in such a way that doesn't make him feel like he is destroying his spark.
@emsulich
@emsulich 9 лет назад
and to you all critiquing his pronunciation, I've heard him self-describe himself as a "library weenie".. and something I've noticed about myself.. when you spend a lot of time in books versus the real world.. you come across words in books frequently that you never or rarely come across in day to day interactions.. so the word becomes part of your internal vernacular without being heard out loud.. so you tend to mispronounce it. for the longest time I pronounced "subtle" like it's spelled.. which is as awkward as it sounds, but I hadn't heard it used in conversation so I had no frame of reference.
@johnbmadwis
@johnbmadwis 8 лет назад
+emily rose Related more generally to mispronouncing - when I was young, I mispronounced a word and was embarrassed when my older brother corrected me. He then told me not to be embarrassed because it simply showed that, due to my bookish tendencies, my vocabulary was beyond that of my peers as I would read words my friends would not typically use. I had the very nice experience of saying that exact same thing to my 10 year old son recently. Instead of being embarrassed, he beamed.
@emsulich
@emsulich 8 лет назад
+John B hey that's awesome. i'm glad your brother was able to provide that message for you to pass down :)
@johnbmadwis
@johnbmadwis 8 лет назад
+emily rose Of course, as an older brother, he did other things that scarred me for life, but at least got that one right.
@Diablo1795
@Diablo1795 8 лет назад
+Alberto Balsalm Kuh-mee would be the closest pronounciation.
@AsIfInteractive
@AsIfInteractive 8 лет назад
+emily rose It wasn't until my twenties I realized a written word I knew was THE SAME WORD as a spoken word I knew! I was surprised to find that "rendezvous" (REN-dez-vooz) was the same word as the spoken word "RON-day-voo"!
@ryankirby46
@ryankirby46 8 лет назад
I feel as if my entire soul stops to listen intently when DFW speaks
@duckvenom
@duckvenom 4 года назад
In a word, Validation. My prestory, entirely different, my parent, economic and emotional security, physical safety... a tableau of another shape and palette with another spectrum. But his dispassionate criticism of a coming media...yes! Kindred spirits of different worlds, untrusting the luminary, dfw, uncle ted and I. And you an i know each other not but that youthful dream of the cabin and no people...that's our uncorrupted propriety thought, yes? DFW is reading exercises best realized when shared, like a book report. ...the dreaded book report.
@hagertt
@hagertt 8 лет назад
26:20-26:41 Jesus, this is the greatest inner struggle in my life. This is ultimately why I don't feel like I fit in anywhere. Really soothing to hear him say that and to know that, at least at some point in time, I wasn't alone.
@nickilovesdogs8137
@nickilovesdogs8137 8 лет назад
+Tom H Check out my book News From Betty.
@seamushawks2190
@seamushawks2190 7 лет назад
Wallace had an amazing way with words, but you are never alone. I think everyone on some level can identify with Wallace, whether they know it yet or not.
@seamushawks2190
@seamushawks2190 7 лет назад
to add on to my last comment, picking up the articulation of dfw has helped me to not feel alone, because I have gained the ability to actually talk about these things in a way others can understand... he gave me a great gift, unknowingly of course
@madamgretchen9216
@madamgretchen9216 6 лет назад
Tom H, you would like Although Of Course You End Up Becoming Yourself, a book by David Lipsky about DFW and a long road trip they took together. One of the things they agree on, after a long conversation, is that the purpose of books is to overcome loneliness.
@patrickobrien8851
@patrickobrien8851 4 года назад
DFW's dilemma is a false one. Ignore the demands of the public and the critics. Do, to the best of your ability and self-belief what you feel needs to be done. Don't give one thought to what others think of your work, that is, assuming you are as satisfied with your own work as you can allow yourself to be. In the event you are not satisfied with the work, let that be so for reasons known privately to you, and not for any reasons foisted on you by the opinions of others. After all, the "others" are not creating the work, so simply ignore them. And the audience a writer writes for exists, but is unknown, so assume your target is the ideal reader of your work, and write for that reader. Otherwise you will waste time and energy that can be better used elsewhere. Of course, we have the option to be as self-indulgent as DFW here describes, in which case the question becomes : is the writer intent on creating a work of art, or intent on pleasing the world?
@paulthedentist
@paulthedentist 3 года назад
His description of his inner flow of thoughts and ability to evaluate the world are at a genius level. Would be exhausting to have that constant level of awareness of society.
@schmetterling4477
@schmetterling4477 3 года назад
That's exactly it, though, he doesn't have any awareness of society. He is completely self-absorbed.
@candide1065
@candide1065 11 месяцев назад
@@schmetterling4477 The projection is hard in this one.
@schmetterling4477
@schmetterling4477 11 месяцев назад
@@candide1065 Once the depression stops you will know better, too. ;-)
@toddletunesofficial4603
@toddletunesofficial4603 4 года назад
We’ve really lost an important person in David. He wasn’t perfect but he was a “capital S” seeker. A seeker of truth & the intellectual. I miss him so much & have almost read everything he’s written twice. (Lol I’m not reading Infinite Jest again).
@seriousbismuth2173
@seriousbismuth2173 Год назад
Oh Jesus, as great and iconic as that *colossal* book is.. I don't blame nor would I want any other person who's read it once already to do so more than twice as is.. Jesus this man was a literary miracle.🤘
@katherinekelly6432
@katherinekelly6432 5 лет назад
I wonder how many people in childhood felt fear of adults because they sensed the adults were crazy dangerous. I feared becoming an adult because I thought the experience would make me crazy like so many adults I had encountered. I understand now why this happens to adults and have largely avoided it in my own adult life. This would not have happened if I had not had those childhood experiences. I may have lost childhood innocence early but this loss protected me from the naivety of adulthood that leads to embracing the very thing that will make you sick.
@thefrayfann
@thefrayfann 2 года назад
Terrific conversation
@HelloSpyMyLie
@HelloSpyMyLie 2 года назад
The final note of this irony vs sincerity reminds me of punk rock
@breh9243
@breh9243 3 года назад
Dfw is soothing in so many ways. His writing soothes the soul
@muratisik6956
@muratisik6956 2 года назад
In what way?
@breh9243
@breh9243 2 года назад
@@muratisik6956 his writing is engrossing which helps me not focus on my own thoughts. In infinite jest you can sense he's pretty troubled and anyone else troubled can easily relate. His writing draws me in and comforts me at the same time.
@nickilovesdogs8137
@nickilovesdogs8137 7 лет назад
Interesting how people nit pick when they find anything to nit pick about when they are confronted with an unusual and independent person. David's books show reality in it's nitty gritty and that is something that people run away from on a daily basis. They run away from themselves and in the process they step on other people's freedom and beingness.
@musicmakelightning
@musicmakelightning 8 лет назад
Discovered you too late, Dave. Or maybe at the right time. Had I known you when you were alive, my heart would have broken when you left. Having just discovered you now, you are another literary character back there in the infinity of whenever, back with Hemingway and Plato and T-Rex and the earth coalescing from the ejecta of supernovae. Something in the past a cult of deniers could evolve to erase from memory. Like moon landings or climate change. You never really existed. And all of these marks they say you left are from broken beer bottles and retreating glaciers. It's more comfortable to imagine I don't live in a world where I actually missed the chance to see with my own eyes, hear with my own ears, the likes of Bach on harpsichord, or Twain on stage. I really didn't miss anything. Or everything. As usual. In any case - in case that somehow in that backward looking infinity of dinosaurs and pangea and predecessors I never knew - in case it's all really one - thanks. Thank you. Really.
@JAYA98PiNAY
@JAYA98PiNAY 8 лет назад
I discovered David Foster last Tuesday and this is exactly how I feel
@EdgarMendezOregon
@EdgarMendezOregon 7 лет назад
That was beautiful.
@andrewmurphy8863
@andrewmurphy8863 7 лет назад
musicmakelightning Holy shit that was epic. Wallace would have been proud.
@philiphammar
@philiphammar 5 лет назад
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand DFW. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of the history of literature most of the jokes will go over a typical readers head. There's also Dave's complex outlook on life, his witty and sardonic humor, which is deftly woven into his stories - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Joyce's literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike DFW truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Dave's existential catchphrase "Wardine be cry" which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dave's genius wit unfolds itself in their unwashed hands. What fools.. how I pity them. And yes, by the way, i DO have a DFW tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid :)
@nbme-answers
@nbme-answers 5 лет назад
B-
@longcastle4863
@longcastle4863 8 лет назад
I have to read _The Soul is not a Smithy_ again. I read it quite a while ago and what remains with me now is the humor I found in the story; that is, the image of a child with an attention deficit disorder becoming so distracted by his own daydream (that's playing out like a cartoon strip in the panels of the classroom window), that he misses the danger involved in his teacher having a psychotic breakdown. After listening to this interview, however, I'm thinking that a second read, like a lot of Wallace's writing for me, may offer a new and different experience.
@charlesedwardandrewlincoln8181
@charlesedwardandrewlincoln8181 3 года назад
23:00 The mind body language distinction here is a fascinating debate. He basically says that this is absolutely key in our language that there is a distinction between the mind and body that’s built into our language. So even if there is nothing outside or if it’s one way or another, or language functions as if it is that way. What do others think about this?
@schmetterling4477
@schmetterling4477 3 года назад
Reality: Hold my beer. Seriously, folks, when did you all become these self-absorbed teens who haven't gotten over the solipsist phase, yet? Of course there is something "outside" of body, mind and language. It's called "the world" and as soon as you step out of the comfort of your McDonald's infused industrial feeding zones it will try its best to kill you in the shortest amount of time possible.
@LiINammmm
@LiINammmm 2 года назад
Sounds like Micheal Schur from Harvard Lampoon/ SnL/ a dfw long life friend. He was on Tim Ferris recently and gave depth to his and DFW’s encounters.
@alexcthe
@alexcthe 3 года назад
"I don't really know what I am; and I don't think many writers know what they are." He absolutely nailed it.
@schmetterling4477
@schmetterling4477 3 года назад
If he doesn't know what he is, then why does he talk about nothing but himself?
@alexcthe
@alexcthe 3 года назад
@@schmetterling4477 he was constantly examining what he might be, digging through his mystery
@schmetterling4477
@schmetterling4477 3 года назад
@@alexcthe There is no mystery. He was a human being with failed emotional development. He was a dime a dozen, except that he became slightly famous because of his verbal diarrhea and a world class publicist.
@hexmaniac
@hexmaniac 2 года назад
@@schmetterling4477 its ok that you didn't finish infnite jest, you dont gotta be so mad
@schmetterling4477
@schmetterling4477 2 года назад
@@hexmaniac Why would I waste my time on that crap? If I want to read a hard text by a real author, I can always read "Ulysses" by Joyce. Please get a grip. Just because you like a book doesn't mean it's any good. Many, many more people like Harry Potter than will ever like Infinity Jest. QED. :-)
@kaewonf8
@kaewonf8 9 лет назад
Americans have an ambivalent attitude toward French words. To pronounce foyer "foy-yay" would be considered affected and pretentious by most, but not all, and hardly anyone pronounces Paris "Par-ee." But we do at least try to say "Vair-sigh" and cackle at Kentuckians who say they're from "Ver-sales."
@robzs8388
@robzs8388 9 лет назад
+kaewonf8 its all about the plasticity of language. We have consumed words like foyer and Paris and pronounce them as such, but there's no americanization of versaille bc why the hell would there be?
@valpergalit
@valpergalit 7 лет назад
kaewonf8 I live near "ver-sales" and that cracked me up. Very true.
@tomitstube
@tomitstube 7 лет назад
love this story. the soul sucking life of the insurance industry, a total scam, and dfw knew this. reminds me of 'death of a salesman', the brilliant play by author miller. or something eugene o'neill would write, realism at its best.
@fotismichael1877
@fotismichael1877 5 лет назад
We must function in the world but not be of it. Impossible but necessary. Such is life.
@thefuture1892
@thefuture1892 Год назад
Too many questions I will just ask this one. what do u be off if not the world?
@emilybannon4328
@emilybannon4328 10 лет назад
20:16 *remunerative (karma for "On Usage" and "Twenty-Four Word Notes," sorry)
@stephenyoshida9966
@stephenyoshida9966 6 лет назад
the interviewer brings up an essay dfw wrote about criticizing pop culture. does anyone have any idea which essay that is?
@williambird1234
@williambird1234 11 лет назад
so good
@shannonwilliams7249
@shannonwilliams7249 3 года назад
The interviewer kind of "yeaahhs" Wallace at the end of Wallace's response to questions, and jumps to the next one without acknowledging Wallace's responses. Reminds me of all the english professors I ever had the misfortune of communicating with. A great interview, but come on, listen to the man. Acknowledge his responses. Interact with them. He is the subject. Come on.
@RYSSCANDVS
@RYSSCANDVS 10 лет назад
"SO EVOCATIVE".
@philophos
@philophos 3 года назад
And David was graceful enough not to bluntly reply, "Of what?" like I'd have been tempted to
@temitope6830
@temitope6830 Год назад
God I miss him
@eschatonproductions6861
@eschatonproductions6861 3 года назад
when was this recorded? thanks!
@LiINammmm
@LiINammmm 2 года назад
23:00
@everettelderberry5362
@everettelderberry5362 6 лет назад
Holy Shit! That happened to me in 6th grade. Our teacher went nuts and showed us the same Holocaust film five days in a row! Heads in baskets, bulldozers of bodies, etc. By day 4 or 5 we were all screaming at him. Cops came and took him away. Lol It wasn't even a history class.
@bartbanks
@bartbanks 6 лет назад
Are u serious?
@everettelderberry5362
@everettelderberry5362 6 лет назад
Bart banks Yeah buddy!
@everettelderberry5362
@everettelderberry5362 6 лет назад
Bart banks It was English class.
@bartbanks
@bartbanks 6 лет назад
Everett Elderberry so what happened? Teacher come back?
@everettelderberry5362
@everettelderberry5362 6 лет назад
Bart banks No. He was fired. My buddy saw him eating at a restaurant in his 20s and said Hi. Lol That's all I know. This comment is from awhile ago. I need to relisten to see why I told that story. But yeah... the Teacher kept acting like it was a new day and we hadn't watched it the day before. Like Groundhog Day. Lol It was around 1990-1991
@7kurisu
@7kurisu 9 лет назад
not sure why the talk below is all about french pronunciation. lets think about the important stuff - commercial avant garde irony vs authentic romanticism/realism. personally, i think its such a fine line to be walking on the commercial tightrope, that you probably wont know you've lost your artistic credibility until you've fallen off. chris issack on the voice is an example. commercial art structures the content so heavily, that its hard to say what is human about it, but its everywhere so we are forced to respond to it
@robzs8388
@robzs8388 9 лет назад
+7kurisu and besides, foyer v. foyer isn't right v. wrong; in the case of that word it absolutely has two acceptable pronunciations, like aunt or theatre or anything else.
@ivancheremmaus824
@ivancheremmaus824 4 года назад
at 15:50 the interviewer says "you wrote an essay about this some years back, about the risk of just being clever", does anyone know the name of the essay?
@seanhollister6479
@seanhollister6479 4 года назад
Good Old Neon
@ivancheremmaus824
@ivancheremmaus824 4 года назад
@@seanhollister6479 thank you!
@seanhollister6479
@seanhollister6479 4 года назад
@@ivancheremmaus824 No problem! I think I may have misspoken though. Good Old Neon is a fictional story about feeling like a phony or having imposter syndrome or something along those lines. He may actually be talking about "E Unibus Pluram: Television and U.S. Fiction," which deals with irony and writers' relationship to television. But read them both anyway!
@chriswimer6296
@chriswimer6296 Год назад
Q: You’re name is David, correct? D: I.. I don’t know if it’s that.. I mean, it’s certainly a label that has come to represent me in a number of ways.. So I mean, you could say yes, David is the name that people call me. But is it “my” name? I think the idea of it being my name, something I own, rather than something that, you could argue instead ends up owning me; I think that idea really um, opens up a can of worms, as it were. But yes, for the sake of this interview, yes David is my name. (Just kidding around, I love DFW)
@leefa
@leefa 4 года назад
a story of a person telling a story
@emsulich
@emsulich 9 лет назад
after having watched The End of the Tour (movie) I can't help but think of Jason Segal when I hear DFW talk.. Their voices are actually fairly similar (in my opinion).
@rosewallaceg
@rosewallaceg 8 лет назад
+emily rose Just so you know, Wallace's estate didn't want them to make that movie and Wallace himself would have hated it if he had been around to see it.
@ericpoe8515
@ericpoe8515 6 лет назад
Absolutely. Watching the movie brought me to tears, exclusively due to how he would have felt to have the parts of himself he struggled with cast in such a light.
@AshishB702
@AshishB702 2 года назад
Smith College?
@denizonmus6288
@denizonmus6288 7 лет назад
I L O V E Y O U , D A V E.
@el6178
@el6178 4 года назад
Is this interview to Charlie Rose?
@AnnaLVajda
@AnnaLVajda 4 года назад
I think some people believe you have to be a tortured soul to write I find you can write like a tortured soul without being one but when your soul is actually tortured ad passion and motivation to write is lost. It's awful enough living a horror story without having to write about it too it's like documenting some horrible experiment some sadist is performing on you and to add insult to injury they insist the victim also take dictation for them.
@brucegelman5582
@brucegelman5582 4 года назад
I wish DFW would have spent time with Maya Angelou.Then I believe he would have found reason to live,to love, to embrace the world, warts and all.I highly recommend you listen to her interviews particularly the Paris Review 92nd st Y one.Peace to all in a difficult time.
@schmetterling4477
@schmetterling4477 3 года назад
Meeting another crackpot doesn't heal clinical depression.
@djo-dji6018
@djo-dji6018 Год назад
I hope Infinite Jest is not as uninteresting and dull as what he reads in this video starting from 1:30.
@whawkins8636
@whawkins8636 Год назад
What book is this
@susanneostell4561
@susanneostell4561 10 лет назад
Mmmm no,"foyer" is pronounced correctly. At least that's how it's pronounced here in English.
@chocolatewheelchair
@chocolatewheelchair 7 месяцев назад
ok what is Smithy
@qf6894
@qf6894 4 года назад
Spoiler alert
@Keepedia99
@Keepedia99 6 лет назад
he cried right?
@snomad2248
@snomad2248 3 года назад
Did somebody say it was a “smithie” (whatever the fuck that is).
@gp2860
@gp2860 5 лет назад
I’d kill myself too if I had to consistently talk with interviewers that feel this written and acted.
@hcironman9196
@hcironman9196 Год назад
interviewer sounds like an intentional stereotype of a podcaster. hard to listen to
@chocolatewheelchair
@chocolatewheelchair 7 месяцев назад
agree
@WiseMan341
@WiseMan341 Год назад
Ok the You
@DexterHaven
@DexterHaven 4 года назад
Too wordy. Needs an edit. The lard factor is over 50% in parts.
@abrahamnorthhampton3327
@abrahamnorthhampton3327 3 года назад
Having to endure puerile interviews like this probably contributed significantly to DFW's depression.
@JasonWindsor88
@JasonWindsor88 3 года назад
I don’t know if i’d say it was puerile… if anything, the interviewer gave Wallace decent, if not ultra sophisticated, jumping off points to share his insights
@john-carlosynostroza
@john-carlosynostroza Год назад
Banal...
@pod9363
@pod9363 3 года назад
4:55 omg nazi
@shill700
@shill700 9 месяцев назад
i'm not surprised he committed suicide.
@georgeovitt5443
@georgeovitt5443 2 месяца назад
How wise of you.
@jesselivermore2291
@jesselivermore2291 6 лет назад
he wasnt much of a writer, cuddled genius who had doors all open just had to work and even not he got what he wanted, get a guy like bukowski who suffered being lowered level society that others want dead then writing hits whayever huminity is left in you, but i see style n potential so i listen he did some excelente writing sometimes when you arent expecting
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