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DaVinci Resolve ProRes Raw (CDNG) Color Grading Workflow | SDR 

Sidney Baker-Green
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In this video, we breakdown color grading workflows for ProRes Raw (Converted to CDNG with the Raw Convertor) in DaVinci Resolve 18. In this video specifically, we focus on a non color managed workflow into Rec 709 that gets the most dynamic range out of your footage. Although the footage used was Zcam, this technique works with any ProRes raw enabled camera, such as the Sony A7siii ProRes Raw enabled body.
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1:02 Timeline Setup | Camera Raw Master Settings
2:46 Color Tab | Camera Raw Settings
5:06 Method #1 | CST | Node Tree
10:16 Method #2 | LUT | Film Emulations

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@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
This has become my favorite way to work with CDNG files converted from ProRes Raw. Although converting isn't ideal, I still feel like I am working with a completely different camera. Let me know if you have any questions!
@nicholasolivas317
@nicholasolivas317 Год назад
Wait so recorded in Prores RAW and converted to Cinema DNG? I thought it was the other way around? What would be the advantage of doing it this way?
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
@@nicholasolivas317 Resolve doesn’t support ProRes Raw…
@G_Gued
@G_Gued Год назад
I have been looking for this information for MONTHS! Finally found this video. Thank you SO much. Gonna totally transform my workflow.
@sturm3n
@sturm3n 2 года назад
Excitedly waiting for the color-managed/HDR workflows!
@smallbrownfox594
@smallbrownfox594 Год назад
This is great, Sydney. You are a CDNG master! More, please, for Sigma FP users.
@patricklevar
@patricklevar Год назад
Wow i have seen this video pop up in my feed and never check it out tel now this was a really big help
@elieskateur
@elieskateur 2 года назад
This video deserves a lot more views
@JaymesMedia
@JaymesMedia 2 года назад
so helpful and perfect timing.
@jorgenudvang3507
@jorgenudvang3507 9 месяцев назад
Very useful video. I got all the answers I was looking for.
@NickMirro
@NickMirro 10 месяцев назад
I'm the guy who complained about SSD bottlenecks. Now I am using your approach exclusively. What a difference! A $1500 Z Cam to Ninja V is producing drastically better footage than a new $4500 Canon camcorder. Thanks Sidney!
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 10 месяцев назад
Be sure to watch the new video for updated settings :) thanks for circling back man
@roehaus1
@roehaus1 Год назад
Another GREAT tutorial Sidney... one of the few RU-vid channels where I learn something new every time I watch! Thanks for taking the time. One question. I'm shooting on a E2-S6 and recording on a Ninja V. I could record RAW... but then there's the conversion process to DNG to be able to work with it in Resolve. I'm working on a PC. So, my question is... wouldn't it be better to record in DNG and how would I set up the camera?
@lifewalklens8447
@lifewalklens8447 2 года назад
Thanks a lot bro great insights
@alexiscuarezma
@alexiscuarezma Год назад
Thanks so much for this. I have a project I'm wanting to shoot using ProRes Raw w/ my GFX100s. Going to get the converter and do some test.
@dlprod11
@dlprod11 Год назад
Great video. One question. Are any adjustments made in Node 2 in the second method?
@barbaradyce849
@barbaradyce849 2 года назад
Nice work.
@ajcordeiro1005
@ajcordeiro1005 2 года назад
Hey Sidney! Love your content and work ethic! Are you still offering the elite color correction classes? I'd love to sign up, but I can't seem to find a link that works. Thanks :)
@enisosbajas
@enisosbajas Год назад
Oohhhh my god, I do Timelapse in DNG and I think that thanks to your video I have finally managed to get da vinci to provide me in a simple way, get better starting results.. thanks
@MrJKut
@MrJKut Год назад
im planning to get a ninja v for my a7siii, so im going through videos about prores raw for days. i found some sample footage, but when i do it with you first methode i got weird artifacts in the higlights, am i doing something wrong? or is this because of the compression(5:1) i choose in the raw converter?
@yasseriqbal2384
@yasseriqbal2384 9 месяцев назад
Great tutorial!! been scouring the internet for weeks for such information. Currently shooting on iPhone 14 prores raw 422 hq codec and this may be the answer to my struggles on da Vinci. I just have one question regarding luts. You used the da Vinci film looks , but I would like to use the sony cinema line luts (as they are free and I like the look of s-log footage), what would you do different in camera raw colour space or the corresponding cst after (around 11:50) .
@lifewalklens8447
@lifewalklens8447 2 года назад
Nice tutorial need more thanks so much bro
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
More on the way for sure! If you have any questions let me know :)
@lifewalklens8447
@lifewalklens8447 2 года назад
@@sidneybakergreen thanks a lot bro i appreciate
@lifewalklens8447
@lifewalklens8447 2 года назад
@@sidneybakergreen ok am still confused about HDR grading watched your tutorial on HDR grading i have much interest on steps to becoming a colourist bro is been a long time you showed up on your chanel hope all is well i actually benefited from your tutorial on how to manage depression i have been passing through a lot thank God i had my notification on i really come to understand is not only i am passing through depression so i got encouraged by your depression management tutorial thanks a lot once again bro you are doing a nice job i appreciate
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
@@lifewalklens8447 The HDR video is a video that is more for playing around and less for delivering HDR content. Non color critical HDR work. That said, which video are you talking about because I’m thinking the Atomos one?
@reyvaz2951
@reyvaz2951 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video, great one since I been looking on how to grade, dng files, since I have a Siga FP camera, I have a curiosity, at minute 8:50, you started the color grade and you did it, after the second Color Transform node and not in the middle of the two, and in when you did the skin tone, you didn't go from the alpha of the parallel to the layer node, for the skin adjustment in the layer node, time 9:48. Once again thanks.
@cemtore5938
@cemtore5938 Год назад
GREAT 👍
@Kaotix_music
@Kaotix_music Год назад
I noticed something quite interesting today using ProRes RAW. I CANNOT use Final Cut. I just cant. I've been on resolve for years and I do not plan to move away. I use RAWConverter to convert my ProRes RAW from my FX30 to CDNG to use in Davinci Resolve. But after the conversion, Davinci has no idea if its in legal or HDR anymore. So the clips I record that looked fine on the Ninja, are now super blown out (and would be entirely unusable if it wasnt RAW) but since it is RAW, I turned down the gain, and then the exposure just a tiny bit and not only was it back in legal range for r.709, but there was no noise??? I found that really odd. But I was wondering why my ProRes RAW shots that get converted to CDNG always come in WAYYYYY over exposed. So I went back out, switched out of PQ mode (as everyone says you should monitor on the NinjaV...but I dont deliver for HDR) and went in R709 instead, and the shots came in exactly how they looked when I was shooting. Very interesting - and ofcourse noise was in those shots as there normally would be. Again, I think this is because im converting the files so Davinci has no idea what to do with it to make it legal. But I Thought that was interesting to share that if you record ProRes and use a RAW coverter to work in Davinci, monitor in PQ, with a little knowledge on how to use the RAW tab to bring the clip back to legal range - I feel like I just completely removed the need for noise reduction completely. Here's how I set up my resolve for this (because I found this very interesting to share) Davinci YRGB Color Managed Input Color Space: ARRI Logc4 / ARRI Wide Gamut 4 (its RAW, you can say your input is whatever you want lol) Timeline Color Space: Davinci Wide Gamut 5 / Davinci Intermediate Timeline Working Luminance - SDR 100 (since everything I do is in r709...for now) Output Color Space: R709 / Gamma 2.4 Camera RAW Tab: CinemaDNG Full res. Project Highlight Recovery (on) Camera Metadata As Shot Black Magic Design Black Magic Design Film I import the CNDG clips, theyre so insanely blown out, I take the clip into the timeline, go the my color page, lower the gain to a reasonable setting, then lower the exposure tab a bit more until im within legal range. Then BOOM! Now I just go to town on giving the shot a look! My last 2 nodes are usually a CST r709 to Cineon Log Film then a Kodak Film Stock as my last node. All the nodes before it is qualifiers, tiny bit of tone mapping to recover some shadows if I want to, and then O/T (yes, im a sucker for Orange/Teal...but lately been digging more "moody" looks) and at the end? There is literally no noise. Even pixel peeping I see none. If I want a really sharp image? I just increase sharpness by a small amount...if I dont? I add a tad bit of film grain and it looks FANTASTIC. Yes, quite a bit of a workflow but once you know it - its done really fast and you dont have any NR going on slowing down your PC and your CPU or GPU yelling at you. Very interesting find. Maybe others know about this and im still just a noob XD but I thought this was really cool to share. Just been browsing YT to see how others are exposing for ProRes RAW but realized "Wait, but you convert your RAW to CNDG...your workflow will be different!"
@antovega2
@antovega2 11 месяцев назад
have you converted with assimilate?
@FlingerFilms
@FlingerFilms 2 года назад
Great detail Sidney. Love the look your getting from the Zcam. How did you come to switching between the various log curves. I would have expected to use a log profile based on the camera of RAW format that the video was captured in.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
Cinema DNG in Resolve only has the BMD Film Curve as a starting point. It’s been that way for every camera such as the sigma FP unfortunately. So knowing that the original BMD film curve with Gen 1 science isn’t really adequate, I switched to something more friendly. Hopefully at some point we will have a raw format with Zlog 2 available. :)
@FlingerFilms
@FlingerFilms 2 года назад
@@sidneybakergreen the ks for the tip
@RobbieMcKane
@RobbieMcKane 4 месяца назад
Does anyone know if this conversion preserves timecode?
@swipeupco
@swipeupco 4 месяца назад
I don't have the option to change Raw settings. The footage is ProRes 422 HQ
@Picbait_media
@Picbait_media 2 года назад
Man bro I have a a7siii and the ninja and because of not understanding the workflow of converting pro res into a format worth grading I’ve been using the ninja purely a monitor but I would love to know if you have a class or one on one lectures great work 💯💯
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
No class needed, as long as you have a Ninja 5 and record in ProRes Raw watch my other video here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Rr7-tyt8aWg.html
@AyushSharmaa
@AyushSharmaa 2 года назад
so much gold! thanks for this video. I'm a little confused about Gamma Tag, and especially working in Davinci Wide Gamut, or ACES. please do make a video on what is Gamma Tag and what should we look up to. thanks ❤
@kingpossie
@kingpossie Год назад
If needed - where do you drop Neat Video in your CDNG pipeline to control noise ?I’d say after the first node. Excellent video btw - subbed !
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
I always de-noise in the first node.
@TheMash84
@TheMash84 Год назад
Hi, I have a question. Putting other adjustments nodes after the CST to Rec709 I think it's not ideal. Woudln't be better making the adjustment before the CST as you will adjust and work still within the Arri gamut? I have watched a video of a professional colorist here on RU-vid and he was suggesting to apply any adjustment before any final colour transformation, and to me it made sense. Any adjustment will be benefit from the wider colour space, whilst the conversion to Rec709 happens at the end. Thank you!
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
There have been two camps of colorist, those who believe in doing everything before the CST and those who only make exposure adjustments before the CST, while doing the rest of the grade downstream. Same thing with LUT's as well actually, because a CST and a LUT is pretty interchangeable. I personally don't think it's ideal to pull keys and build layers in a LOG environment. Others don't mind doing so. I find the tool to be less precise without the added contrast and saturation values that comes from a proper transformation. There really isn't much of an added value color wise, because you're going to be compressing that information into Rec 709 anyways. And you're not getting any Arri Color science because that's a sensor calibration design, and not something in post. Furthermore, when using the standard DaVinci YRGB color science, you don't have access to color space aware tools that could ease this issue. That being said, those are only set to the timeline color space, and not the Log/Gamma format you may be working in. Really, the take away is simple, and this is what I teach my students: as long as you can justify why you've made a choice, and you like the final result, then there isn't much of an issue. In this case, you're main concern would be breaking Rec 709 legality, but that's not going to be an issue if you're grading correctly.
@PICWAVEProductions
@PICWAVEProductions 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for this video, very valuable. But I need help with a problem. My videos recorded in Prores Raw have a green tint in the shadows. Anyone else with this problem? I use the Raw converter. My camera is a Lumix S5. Thanks!
@simonanthonytrudeau7898
@simonanthonytrudeau7898 2 года назад
Would you setup P3 D60 in the Camera Raw settings instead of decoding using “clip”. I feel like changing the camera raw settings to blackmagic design film then changing it back is counter intuitive.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
If you want your footage to look blown out upon import, then sure. As I stated in the video, that's the reason I change it.
@compaticher7932
@compaticher7932 Год назад
gracias
@30DegreesBank
@30DegreesBank Год назад
Hello, great video! I have a question for you. Currently I use Z6II + NINJAV and I shoot N-Log primarily. What should my workflow be in this case? DaVinci's Camera RAW panel is always greyed out, I can't see how to activate it, I guess my video format is not compatible. I can only use the Project Setting's Camera RAW, but honestly I don't know how to approach this conversions at all. ProRes (not Raw) any good for recording and then working in DaVinci or you suggest another format like DNx? If you any idea, please share! Thanks!
@NickMirro
@NickMirro 10 месяцев назад
I get something similar. In my case, setting Color Mgmt unexpectedly affects access to Color Space in the Color tab. Try DaVinci YRGB, Rec.709 (Scene) and Same as Timeline
@wildpatagoniafilms16
@wildpatagoniafilms16 Год назад
Amazing info here! wow~ A few questions... 1- I thought P3D60 was a color space used just if we were planning to use the footage for big screen.. is that the case? 2- Where I get confused is between ProRess and ProRess Raw... are these two codecs considered as a different way of log? Thank you in advance! cheers!
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
P3 D 65... 65 . Yes that’s generally used in cinema. However, RU-vid doesn’t support that. No. Log is log. Raw is raw. Raw is a set of Red Blue and Green values which can be transformed into a color space. Log does have a color gamut and color space
@wildpatagoniafilms16
@wildpatagoniafilms16 Год назад
@@sidneybakergreen Thanks! So 🤔 how about just ProRess (no RAW), what would that be? a form of Log? Thanks again! cheers!
@RaviTahilramani
@RaviTahilramani 2 года назад
Great video, any chance you'll share your Davinci managed workflow with CDNG for Rec.709 and HDR?
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
I posted it.
@RaviTahilramani
@RaviTahilramani Год назад
@@sidneybakergreen I already watched it 😉. thank you. Things were moving fast but I got the important stuff. I’ve been doing things a little differently. Maybe I’ll make a video and share that.
@TomaszTerkaVlog
@TomaszTerkaVlog Год назад
What settings u put on Color Management tab?
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
I didn’t change them. This is non color managed. We used cst
@ludovicbernard5371
@ludovicbernard5371 Год назад
incompréhensible !
@1PYRO8
@1PYRO8 5 месяцев назад
Really nice video! But I have a problem or maybe I don't understand RAW at the moment. Why are my clips so unbelievable contrasty after I converted these into .dng files (with RawConvertor? Is that normal? It cant be because especially night shots look just dark. No informations in the dark areas at all.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 5 месяцев назад
Watch the video posted titled “I was wrong…” it has new settings I use and then come back if you still have an issue
@1PYRO8
@1PYRO8 5 месяцев назад
@@sidneybakergreen Thanks for your superfast reply! I watched the video, did the settings change but almost the same. My .dng files look way more contrasty than a clip captured directly in 709. When I look at the preview in the RawConvertor, it looks normal, flat, informations in the shadows. After the convert, just black. Even when I open a dng file in Photoshop. I'm a tottaly newbie in Raw. So thats not normal? Or is it?
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 5 месяцев назад
@@1PYRO8 in raw converter my images look over exposed, so you may be under exposing? When I shoot log with the same raw settings, my images are over exposed
@1PYRO8
@1PYRO8 5 месяцев назад
@@sidneybakergreen Hmmm…When I shoot at daylight, the image looks overexposed in the the converter, like yours. True! Maybe I just underexposed the night shot, could be! But its almost impossible to expose that hard to bring the shadows back because its so dark and contrasty. I‘ll try 🤷🏻‍♂️. Thanks again.
@TheGeoDaddy
@TheGeoDaddy 2 года назад
Sorry, this seems more recent but I have the same Question: I converted a short ProRes RAW clip to CinemaDNG (on my MacBook Pro running Monterey 12) that was shot on my Nikon Z6 that I want to Color Grade in DaVinci (which I have yet to installed on my new ProArt laptop (running under System 11) The output is _000001 thru _000299.dng files - each 8.4MB - so are they meta-files that are imported into Resolve as a “group”??? If not, what’s the next step in processing this - single - video clip?
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
They are imported as a group
@TheGeoDaddy
@TheGeoDaddy 2 года назад
Thank You very much! That’s what I was thinking - each file contains specific meta-data preserved from ProRes - kinda like Insta360 gives two two files that must be combined in post. Looking forward to exploring DaVinci (cause ProRes RAW is a bitch to work with - even Color Finale gives more options but not a consistent workflow or the ability to create LUTs as far as I’ve been playing with it!)
@TheGeoDaddy
@TheGeoDaddy 2 года назад
CORRECTION: those were 266 - FRAMES - not metadata as I had assumed 😁
@redumbrella4218
@redumbrella4218 4 месяца назад
Hello! Great job! Thank you so much! I tried to replicate your instruction and when I go to color BMDS18.6, camera settings are grayed out. Try to create a new project and in color, the camera settings are grayed out as well. Any suggestions? Cheers.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 4 месяца назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RmTPPy_0NNI.html
@redumbrella4218
@redumbrella4218 4 месяца назад
@@sidneybakergreen thank you so much!
@MUTABAZISTUDIOS
@MUTABAZISTUDIOS 2 года назад
Any Prores Raw converter to CDNG for Windows yet?
@fivefoldsymmetry
@fivefoldsymmetry Год назад
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@kukukosstudio6700
@kukukosstudio6700 2 года назад
Hi broOO )) Please tell me, in order to start all this, I need to start converting Prores Raw to (CDNG)? If so, how if I have Windows? ANSWER PLEASE THIS INFO EVERYONE NEED HELP US)))))
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
Buy a macbook air and do the conversions. That's what I said I did.
@-eduarth_ab6693
@-eduarth_ab6693 2 месяца назад
es 2024 y ahora puedo grabar CDNG con mi smartphone gracias a motiomcam y despues usar exiftool para modificarlo y en davinci resolve ocupe panasonic log
@EUGEN_VIDEO
@EUGEN_VIDEO Год назад
Hello friend! Is this method suitable for my sigma fp camera?
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
Yes
@therealkevinleee
@therealkevinleee Год назад
hmm any reason why my color space and gamma is greyed out in the camera raw tab? I have already put the same camera raw settings
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
Decode as clip.
@therealkevinleee
@therealkevinleee Год назад
I did and still greyed out
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
@@therealkevinleee Did you follow the color management settings to the T...
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
@@therealkevinleee That's the only other reason it would be greyed out is not having the input color space set to same as timeline
@bratwurstmeister1
@bratwurstmeister1 2 года назад
Maybe stupid question: In method #1 wouldn't you grade BEFORE the second CST? Most colorists here on youtube teach it this way because they claim your using the full color information when grading and before "crushing" everthing into REC709. Thanks
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
I spoke on this in another comment below, but I'm glad this topic keeps coming up. So the only grading I do before the CST is managing the exposure of the image (highlights, shadows, midtones.) This is where having all of that information there to begin with is important. My corrections generally retain the entire spectrum of the data into Rec.709 so that we don't have any clipping. After I have my base set, I qualify my skin tones, and create the look outside of the CST. I am not of the group who qualifies skin in a LOG environment. Resolves color tools are color space aware, so corrections such as skin tones need to made outside of the CST in the correct color space environment. Which is why I build the color look outside of the CST I think it comes down to the colorist workflow though. There aren't any set rules as long as you're getting a legal image at the end of the day that fits your story. I've seen workflows with the CST/LUT very last, and some with it in the very beginning. It all comes down to personal preference IMO. That said, some tool again are color space aware.
@bratwurstmeister1
@bratwurstmeister1 2 года назад
@@sidneybakergreen Sidney, many thanks for your quick answer and taking the time to explain your workflow. Got it!I 'm pretty new to color grading and watching all the tuts on youtube can get confusing. You adopt one thing from a creator and then another one has a different approach. The lack of knowledge makes me puzzled about the different worflows, pros and cons. Color grading is a science...
@NickMirro
@NickMirro 10 месяцев назад
Hi Sidney! Any idea why I'm getting banding? The footage grades nicely exept that 😵‍💫 Do you think it's a render setting or in the workflow?
@NickMirro
@NickMirro 10 месяцев назад
Found it! Set the Encoding Profile to Main 4:4:4 10. Not sure why that isn't the default in a 10 bit workflow. All the profiles listed in the DR 18 manual are for 8 bit. 4:4:4 isn't even there. Who knows? Uploading to Vimeo (any account type) brings back banding.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 10 месяцев назад
Yes because they are all 8 bit when you do a direct upload. I use Main10 for all exports
@NickMirro
@NickMirro 10 месяцев назад
@@sidneybakergreen Is that render profile different or better than the one I used? Any strategy to minimize banding? It's crazy to get that much detail out of the source and then give it all up at the end. I guess the result is probably still much better than an 8-bit source and workflow.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 10 месяцев назад
@@NickMirro I'm pretty sure direct upload is 8bit H.264. With a very low bit rate as well. Which is why I always export h.265 Main 10 at 40,000 kbps for 4K and 20,000 for 1080P
@NickMirro
@NickMirro 10 месяцев назад
@@sidneybakergreen Thanks again for taking time to help one of your fans! I failed to tell the whole story. I'm uploading to a Vimeo business account so expect better quality than YT. Also just created a ticket for this issue to see if they have anything to offer. Do you know where I can learn about the DR render profiles? Strangely the manual only lists 8-bit profiles 😵‍💫
@quentinferrand9653
@quentinferrand9653 Год назад
To use the camera raw do we need the paid version ?
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
No
@elbanzo8110
@elbanzo8110 Год назад
Method 1: in a scene referred environment you should grade before the ODT (Rec709 transform) not after the CST node. It limits your possibilities (;
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
Color tools are color space aware. You should never key log 😌
@elbanzo8110
@elbanzo8110 Год назад
@@sidneybakergreen Sorry, this is wrong. I know a lot of pro colorists, me included, who also use keys and windows up front in the node tree. This can be tricky to key, but it has the advantage that you don't have to adjust the key when contrast or exposure changes. Check Tyler Roth (Company3) insights on Lowepost or Demystify-Color, you will be teached! And don't be one of those guys spreading wrong information on RU-vid, there are more than enough.
@serghios
@serghios 8 месяцев назад
@@elbanzo8110man you killed the guy
@j.merkerproductions
@j.merkerproductions Год назад
shouldn't the color management > time line set to HDR/ WG or something like that?
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
This is SDR without color management. There’s a color management tutorial on my Chanel though
@j.merkerproductions
@j.merkerproductions Год назад
@@sidneybakergreen so timeline space makes no difference ? Anyhow, thus far I used the Blackmachic space and found 2 that work well for me, on this Alexa way, I found the primaries are hyper sensitive...as in micro movements can overcook easily
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
@@j.merkerproductions that’s not what I said. Some people don’t use wide gamut for various reasons. Some could be because of the use of luts or plug ins like FilmConvert. Not everything works in a wide gamut. The reason I avoid and tech my students to avoid the V1 blackmagic design curve is because of the way it handles dynamic range. Other log curves handle it better. So for this particular workflow, you can have a SDR rec 709 timeline color space. You end up converting that to LOG C and Arri Wide Gamut which is a wide gamut color space anyways. Hope that clarifies
@j.merkerproductions
@j.merkerproductions Год назад
@@sidneybakergreen thanx, so before that 709 node it's wide basically. Just odd how each path has its pros and cons.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
@@j.merkerproductions Yes. What matters to me the most is the Gamma more than the Gamut though. Log C is helping us bring that wide dynamic range of the sensor to life. I have mixed opinions on grading in a wide color space for Rec 709 output. Namely that you're never going to go beyond 709 at export. The output is what confines you. I normally do it for color tools that I have access such as HDR wheels.
@highlycreativedigital5472
@highlycreativedigital5472 2 года назад
Is it possible to convert z raw with the same process?
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
Not with the Raw convertor, no.
@highlycreativedigital5472
@highlycreativedigital5472 2 года назад
@@sidneybakergreen thank you
@Ultragian
@Ultragian 2 года назад
Bruh, why are you grading after the 709 CST?
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
Because it's not incorrect. Neither is leaving the CST last. It really comes down to "philosophy." I've seen workflows where the CST/LUT is last, and some where they're in the very beginning. I am of the boat that resolves color tools, such as the qualifier, are not designed to be used in a LOG environment. Thus, I build my look and correct my skin tones outside of that environment. To each their own as long as you're getting a result you like within legal 709 levels
@xtAqHNpFg
@xtAqHNpFg 2 года назад
Hi Sidney! Not long ago I saw your "wonder" video about Raw Convertor (only Apple-friendly^), I bought Mac mini for this purpose and was taken aback to find out that my camera Panasonic GH5S is not supported by Raw Convertor. I dropped a few lines to the developer asking if he is going to add Panasonic in the list of supported camerar. Alas no reply from him... So... You say "this technique works with any ProRes raw enabled camera" is that true???? How can I convert to Cinema DNG if my camera though capable of sending RAW signal to Atomos Ninja V recorder (which records 12 bit ProRes Raw) is not supported by Raw Converter??? Or you know something that I do not know ^)) Thank you! Hope you will address my question. Regards, Mike.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
Did you find him on Facebook?
@xtAqHNpFg
@xtAqHNpFg 2 года назад
@@sidneybakergreen Nope I found him in Skype and sent a direct message.. but I know that there were a whale of inquiries about Panasonic so... probably he is tired with attention ^).
@xtAqHNpFg
@xtAqHNpFg 2 года назад
the "wonder" video is actually a wonderful video ^)
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
@@xtAqHNpFg find his profile on Facebook. That’s how I always contact him
@philippscheithauer
@philippscheithauer Год назад
You master in Gamma 2.2 for web/social smart device delivery and Gamma 2.4 for TV broadcast since TVs run on Gamma 2.4. It's not determined by your grading environment...
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
Gamma is determined by your grading environment.
@philippscheithauer
@philippscheithauer Год назад
@@sidneybakergreen Definitely not. Try exporting a clip in Gamma 2.2 and 2.4, upload both to RU-vid and see which one looks like the original file.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
@@philippscheithauer When you are color correcting and grading, your gamma needs to be set to your grading environment. You're free to do a Trim pass after that to adjust. But you're environment with affect the way in which you perceive the image. Google is free.
@philippscheithauer
@philippscheithauer Год назад
@@sidneybakergreen Wether or not your viewing environment is dark or bright determines the standard gamma. Since TV and cinema is supposed to be viewed in darker environments its standard gamma is 2.4, but if you viewing environment is supposed to be brighter (e.g. PC, Smart Devices) its standard gamma is 2.2 Just do a quick youtube upload test and that'll easily confirm the gamma shift if you upload in 2.4
@philippscheithauer
@philippscheithauer Год назад
@@sidneybakergreen Hence the mastering gamma is linked to the viewing of the final product, not the grading environment.
@EUGEN_VIDEO
@EUGEN_VIDEO 9 месяцев назад
Я думаю перевести в hdr было бы лучше)
@NickMirro
@NickMirro Год назад
This is all great until you try to edit (okay I've overstated this a bit). A fast processor and GeForce 4090 won't do much good when a super fast SSD bottlenecks trying to process 10s of 1000s of individual CDNG files (testing and it's more the CPU, which I am upgrading). Editing CDNGs is even slower than directly editing H 264/5
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
I edit just fine 🤷🏾‍♂️. It’s the same performance I get with R3D and Tiko Raw. We have to step out of the bottleneck mindset of 2009. Times have changed. also H.264/5 isn’t slow anymore. It’s very much so optimized. Nonetheless, do what’s best for you.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
Also, one more follow up. Modern computers can handle any codec that you can throw at it if you are working with flagship hardware. The issue with video editing will continue to be bottlenecks with respect to GPU memory when working in DaVinci Resolve.
@NickMirro
@NickMirro Год назад
@@sidneybakergreen Still with you since I'm loving this level of detail - I've never seen. It is slower than a regular 4K30 log file, which renders at playback speed easily - testing a noise reduction node with each. I agree about the bottleneck issue. It seems more distributed now that I've tested a lot of raw clips. Need to upgrade the CPU.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen Год назад
@@NickMirro right now I’m rocking a RTX 3080 with a 5950X. I know it’s higher end. But I generally edit in 1080P always and generally with color work off. I export in 4K at about 24FPS. This is the same for me with other Raw files. Yes log files go faster in general over raw files… but they also have a lot less data. That being said I don’t feel held back
@tatablito
@tatablito 16 дней назад
rec 2020 apple log> rec 709 gamma 2.4
@tatablito
@tatablito 16 дней назад
or rec 2020 apple log > Davinci; davinci . . .node . node. . . .Davinci; Davinci > rec 709 gamma 2.4
@guglielmo_arte_naturale
@guglielmo_arte_naturale 4 месяца назад
why are you grading on top of rec 709 color space transformation... that makes no sense
@JJ_Khailha
@JJ_Khailha 2 года назад
The jump cuts would be less jarring if the background was unchanging.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
Don’t be sensitive
@JJ_Khailha
@JJ_Khailha 2 года назад
@@sidneybakergreen Just providing feedback to help you improve your skills.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
@@JJ_Khailha don’t be sensitive.
@JJ_Khailha
@JJ_Khailha 2 года назад
@@sidneybakergreen Self proclaiming accolades trigger my spidey sense which is highly sensitive.
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
@@JJ_Khailha I’d recommend seeking help for that.
@alimokora3975
@alimokora3975 2 года назад
Hello 👋👋 bro how are you?
@sidneybakergreen
@sidneybakergreen 2 года назад
I am good man! How are you bro?
@alimokora3975
@alimokora3975 2 года назад
@@sidneybakergreen good to thinks, is a long time we don't hear anything about you
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