Dawntrail Players are IMPATIENT (FFXIV) 

I had a friend that was stuck on the Bakool Ja Ja fight for almost a week. He would log in and play for 10 to 15 minutes trying to beat it, lose and log out for the day. Had the instance on very easy and claimed to look up guides. I asked to watch his PoV over discord to help him and he was standing in the outer ring that gives u bleed and spamming the AoE combo. Never pressed any other button and only moved when orange showed up. I told him to use his other buttons as well as not stand on the bleed ring and he won shortly after. I asked him if he ever read what his abilities do and he said he didn't until I watched his PoV. He also said the game wasn't hard until that quest he had to do on his own. He has skipped mostly all cutscenes in a mad dash to play with me since I've beaten the game. I told him I already do play with him and sit on discord with him to talk to him for months, do almost every dungeon he had to do to progress story or level up. None of it matters because its old content and he wants to do the new stuff with me. There's definitely more people playing who really don't care to learn. There's no amount of guides in game or out that's going to solve this issue. Back then because of cross classing you definitely had to spend a bit more time playing other classes if u wanted to do endgame. Being force to get swift cast can be a learning experience or a horrible one or a fun one, its subjective. One thing is clear, people who cared invested more time into these things. I bring my friend up as an example of someone who only wants to play because fomo. I assume a lot of players who are impatient feel the same way hearing war stories, raving reviews, horror drama stories, and tales of victory from their circles that do play. It's no surprise that more people play Classic WoW because its much easier to understand and win than Retail WoW. I don't expect anyone to be god gamer, orange magic numbers, omnipotent legend, huge dick pumper dps gamer who plays the game 365 days a year. What I do expect is communication. There's nothing wrong with not knowing but if you are willfully ignorant all of the time it's gonna suck for you in the future. Back then in 2.0 people would sit on the boss line and ask if everyone knew how to deal with the upcoming boss, myself included. Perhaps it can be the fear of reprimand because of not knowing or the fear of backlash because of losing that has made people clam up. Perhaps it's apathy and wanting to rush to the endgame that matters. At the end of the day it's a game. MMORPGs like this one are meant to be played cooperatively we have to work together sometimes to achieve anything in this game. EDIT: Context and my second paragraph really only matters IF you care to play with people. A lot of players also have a solo mindset and since a lot of the content now can be revolving door cause so many people play now this could be also why no one cares to learn. Just brute force till you win. Thank you for your time!

Every failure is one step closer to success. If you are failing a mechanic, ask your party for help; someone is probably willing to explain what to do. If you see someone struggling with something, offer to help them; they might be grateful for it. No matter which side of that interaction you are on, cooperation and positive communication with your party will lead to faster clears. It's just a game, there is no reason to get upset at each other.

It's an interesting thing you said. "People are trying to rush through the game." There is a reason SE doesn't release the 8-man raid until like 2-3 weeks after the expansion goes live. There is a reason SE doesn't open up Savage modes immediately either. The development team has gone on record saying that they deliberately stagger these to allow people to enjoy at least a little bit of leisure time to play the game and the story before feeling 'forced' to dive into savage mode progression.

I thought I was casual, just sometimes touching savage "for fun" and touching DT, I thought the whole thing was easy as hell. But then I see people just....can't. It's actually blowing my mind how mid the bar is and people BEGGED for MSQ to be harder dungeons and content, and now that they have it, they're absolutely shitting the bed lmao I even had a M2 raid (leaving the name out for people who haven't gotten to endgame) where they're stacking STACK MARKERS and then going "I'm new to the fight stfu" and im sitting here like "two stack markers isn't new tho???? HELLO????" People deadass begged for a harder MSQ and don't even know what to do now lmao

I thought I was casual until DT.. I guess I'm more midcore cause this stuff hasn't been terribly hard. The lvl 100 content has been tougher than previous expert dungeons and normal raids I suppose but it's also level 100 stuff now - i would hope its harder than previous content because (unless you skipped) you already had to do earlier easier content. How many expansions and levels do you need to know how to read the mechanics now?

damn bro you know your ffxiv stuff man. You earned yourself a subscriber !

Indeed, people fear the social stigma of 'being bad' though most likely it is more the fear of there being a stigma in the first place. I know that's how I feel but I still find it ridiculous when people then demand lowering the bar just so they don't have to face that

THANK YOU! Just you saying the margin for error is smaller in DT is a major reason why a lot of other healers have been getting the asses beat. As one of my group’s designated healers for harder content that actually sums up my issue with some of these other healers. They aren’t actively healing/mitigating, they keep trying to play like “oh I have time to heal the party when they get low.” No you don’t especially not in the raids & trials cause if the multiple quick hits in succession don’t kill your team, then the DoTs will. The bosses have way too many attacks that hit back to back that you can’t 100% trust that your party will be ok. The final trial on Normal taught me the name of the game with harder fights is better to over heal & survive than try to save bigger abilities & heals for emergencies (not optimal but sometimes extremely necessary.) The number of healers I’ve seen who won’t cleanse the poison DoT in the 3rd raid fight is aggravating ever since I was told it could be removed with Esuna. Or who won’t use their lvl 100 abilities until half the party either wipes or is about to makes my skin itch, you could’ve avoided all this stress & panic.

I will never forget the day that I became a temporary teacher for a friend who i was in the FC of (I'm still in the Discord, I just transferred to Brynhilder). Wasn't bad honestly, its fun to teach so long as people are willing to learn

So much truth. I feel like people are considerably less patient on all levels, in all content, since DT

I am penta legend (done a lot of hard content on patch) so blasting through the story content wasnt difficult, but i did notice that it certainly wasnt as braindead as previous expansions. Personal opinion I kinda liked it being easy in previous expansions since I could focus less during leveling and i didnt find it boring but more relaxing. My reason for finishing everything first try within 2-3 days is to prepare for the bigger endgame contents such as upcoming savage even later the ultimate, where gearing/gathering and making gil is essential a lot of farming and prep. There is still a lot to do for those who do finish asap. Especially if you plan to do tougher raid content. For me I like having the option of content where I can just relax and not think. At the same time I dont fully dislike the changed difficulty in DT for normal content. Just some thoughts of mine.

I think it's pride, or shame, or something close to it. People refuse to ask for help or admit when they have an issue, then go to the forums to cry about the whole game being bad. I've never once in my several years in this game seen a negative reaction to someone saying "hey I'm new" or "hey I don't remember this fight" or "hey I don't know how to do this mech". I make sure to let others know when they can't rely on me to do a fight cleanly, too. There's always someone willing to help, be it by tossing you a few extra heals or a rescue or by explaining the mechanics. I haven't had someone straight up give up on a duty but if I saw someone say "guys I need a carry I can't do this" sure I'd carry them no problem. If you struggle in DF, put up a party finder where you can explain and set expectations. Plenty of "pls carry" PFs I've seen, and I've joined several. It's the people who are allergic to admitting they struggle and/or asking for/accepting help that are the issue. Also, my personal pet peeve, people who clearly have no idea what they're doing and are messing things up for others/causing wipes but REFUSE to even look at chat. Do they not play with chat open? What's up with that? Every few days I'll find myself in a duty where someone's confidently wiping us by making the same mistake every twenty seconds and there's like four people in chat calmly and politely explaining and asking them to just please stop. What do you even do in that situation? If you try to dig your heels in and stop progressing they'll usually just stand there and wait, not even questioning why everyone's stopped fighting all of a sudden.

Never thought msq would filter the playerbase lmfao

I have been doing savage in both ShB and EW... and failed miserably at the first boss in the lvl 100 desert-like dungeon. And I it was super frustrated because I just couldnt for the life of me understand what was happening... until someone on the team said the magic words "the cones grow". I kid you not, I thought the cones were shifting not growing XD Kudos to that team for bearing with me - though I guess they had to since I was the healer XD Still, they were very considerate and patient with me, and the later bosses were no problem. What do we learn from this? Get rid of your ego and just ASK for help. You'd be surprised how kind people are if you just ASK. As for difficulty... yes, its harder, no question. But lets not forget: our gear sucks. Thats the simple truth. That, and we havent learned how these bosses work. In a couple months and we'll brainlessly rush through them. Its the nature of the beast.

Yeah, I've enjoyed the difficult of the new stuff. I won't dismiss it as not being harder than Endwalker, and I really do think that some of it deliberately is (expert dungeons, Arcadion, and a few bosses in the 99+ dungeons), but it's still at a level that everyone should be able to clear with some effort to learn. I think the pain point might be the healer issue, honestly. You need healers to not constantly die to things in some of this content in order for the party to survive a lot of the mechanics. A few players stressing the healers' MP pools, or especially one or both healers regularly eating dirt, can make some of these fight drag on for quite a few pulls. I've started playing RDM more regularly with my casual FC buddies because we need some extra powerful recovery tools.

My reaction times are too slow for Dawntrail. Mechanics resolve too fast for me to escape it.

Endwalker's update content was pretty basic imo i consider myself casual (haven't touched EX trials in years) but i love playing my job well. Being able to do that meaningfully in slightly more difficult dungeons with fresh feeling mechanics has been exactly what i've been looking for in the game, especially with the Job design not being nearly as interesting as it used to be. i promise the people having troubles just need a few extra runs and they'll be zoning out while doing these mechanics anyway, just like how they learned Endwalker and Shadowbringers "language". looking forward to more content as a casual, basically the opposite of how i was feeling with Endwalker.

I really don’t understand all the complaints about the dungeons. Trying a caster for the first time again since HW, the only thing I can critique is optional content like the raids might be a hair too punishing for folks coming in at the very bottom of the gear level. Still completely doable, did my second clear this week EZ-PZ… people have got too used to raiding RP venues rather than actual raids. 😂

Stay strong square enix! Don’t let the cry babies win

I think msq stuff is fine enough, and the optional stuff are a nice step up in difficulty. Not too much harder but hard enough to feel good. And then ofcoarse the extremes are a step further. And savages should be a step higher. The curve is great for me. If the optional stuff were as easy as the rest of it the just to extremes and savage would be insane. And truthfully I've noticed it in older content too. Msq arr was a nice curve alone. But all the optional lvl 50 hard dungeons were a nice step up ( especially lost city of amdapore) and they helped me feel ready for extremes which in turn helped me get good enough to do coils synced. Had I jumped from just beating ultima to coils I'd imagine the difficulty would feel like going from world 1 in mario to world 6. Or going from fighting the asylum demon in dark souls to artorias in the dlc without fighting anything else inbetween.

I would consider myself a midcore player, I do savage but I don't clear the tier week one, it takes me and my static months lol. (We only raid 4 hours a week) I said to my static after being the main tank for endwalker I will role fill and I got put on shield healer. Never healed seriously before and only healed in dungeon to level. So trial by fire for me and I have cleared the first ex like 10 times already. If I can do it as a noob on a new role and job in extreme in what is suppose to be the hardest content has been, like come on. You can achieve so much more if you learn to not get discouraged from failure.

I agree a 100% with everything you’re saying.

Yeah people suck. I been playing 14 for over 10 years. I been whm for three years and will not run duties in dawntrail. I will alway use trusts. Old content is easy af. Dawntrail dungeons are spicy but fun. Tanks are to unreasonable expecting sack pulls all day. Just not viable nor fun for a fresh 100 healer. Im not dieing as often in the new dungeons so maybe in a month I will try a public lobby again bit. I go through a dlc in a couple weeks but I dont mind. I have rl hobbies that is a bit more important. We get a new expansion every year so I dont understand why we wouldn't have anything to do for two years.

Honestly the "difficulty increase" (if you can even call it that) is what saved the game for alot of us, post EW was in a rough state for midcore players

Dude, as a pretty casual (slightly midcore) player who’s no genius at picking up mechanics, DT fights have been a lot of fun. From the very first dungeon, I could immediately feel the difference. Engaging is the perfect word to describe it. I haven’t done the EX trials or the normals yet, but I’m really looking forward to them. I just don’t understand why if people think so much of it is hard, why not practice with trust to get a better understanding of the mechanics? I know some content can’t be run with trust and even so, trust can get boring after a while but then look up guides? Why make this everyone’s problem when there are helpful resources available? People are definitely impatient. Many of the mechanics aren’t even hard to resolve, you just have to be observant and adaptable which I think a lot of previous casual content hasn’t really challenged players to do. The battles have been one of the best things about the expansion for sure. It’s really a shame that people can’t appreciate it.

Some people play games for years without ever actually putting effort to improve, I think that is majority of players complaining that Dawntrail is actually "hard" The people who say it should not be this difficult to pass normal mode content make a bit more sense but if you ever have done any Savage content then it should still be pretty easy for you, I guess people just want to pass MSQ content without using their brains.

imo content is the same as always hmmm i mean i play for 10 years now had a break in shb and half EW and even as returner its not hard i mean sure i was hardcore for ARR to SB but damn ppl should relax

so real!!!

even with these dawntrail dungeons and trials we have had thus far, have had nothing that hard in them. now yes, the mechanics are faster than bfr, but wouldnt you expect that someone who has already played content to lvl100 to know stuff like the boss doing a telling animation for an aoe, and the aoe marker not showing up UNTIL it is already too late to get out of the damaging part? also, even if you get hit by one and have that one vuln stack, its still not a death in most cases. getting hit by 2 or multiple more is certainly death tho. I myself, am probably a midcore player, having mostly done casual trials and dungeons and the odd savage. I just don't understand what people are complaining about. Like I have seen many say, dying and failing is fine. Wiping is fine, no need to complain the instant you don't clear a duty in one go...

a causal player doesnt play to be challanged they play for fun and realxing and no stress time if the msq dung a place for this pppl and their content is becoming annjoying(rather then hard) then the devs failed sorry but no most ppl dont want to do savage,ext trail they dont care for that the same way some ppl dont care for rp or erp. you can enjoy challanges and difficult content be free to do so but leave the msq out of it or at least keep the dam formulaic mechanics of ew and dont put random bs go in your boss mechanics it annjoying and not fun and take aways from them enjoyment of the story. most mmorpg have easy dungs for story then make difficult one after as optional .endgame content isnt untresting for most ppl the story is it why many play if ppl cant understand not everbody who plays msq dung want to do savage raids sam way most rp player dont wanna be forced to erp.

There is way too much to do, even for the next 2 years. There will me more extremes, savage tier and more story for the MSQ. The difficulty does for normal does not need to be raised. It is a complete fallacy that level 100 means anything. People come and go and they will forget stuff. Do NOT expect people to learn because not everyone can learn fast enough for the other players. I total agree there are too many impatient players, this shows up when people are trying to speed run everything all the time. Normal difficulty should be content for people who are NOT looking to improve and NOT looking to be better to go for higher difficulty content.There are players that just want chill sleep walking content, it is not boring, it is streamlined and straightforward so they can get their weeklies and so they can do other stuff. Normal difficulty is the kiddie pool, and it can not be made deeper just to keep the kiddies out, and that would be elitist. BTW normal difficulty does not require people to interact other players, to have watched video. The are scared to talk to other players, and the jackasses in the DF will not have time to explain jack shit to the in any sort of acceptable way. And even if there are 7 other playes, you can NOT expect any of them to have any clue why people screwed up, because that just becomes a game of who to pin donkey tail, i.e. the blame, on. They want someone to blame for why it is going too slow, they are impatient that way. So then they can vote kick people. The normal difficulty should require basically nothing, and for some players, it taste good to them that way, and their sub help pay for the for everything. It is best not to be calling them names, like needy. It is good that these normal players exist so there is funding for the higher difficulty stuff like extremes, savage, ultimates.