[Day 8; Part 1]Governing Body, Geoffrey Jackson - Jehovah's Witnesses Child Sexual Abuse: 2015-08-14 

The lawyer was asking unnecessary questions. why would you force modifications that delegates responsibility to women against the scriptural understanding that men are mentioned with regards to leadership roles within the christian congregations

Burbing Berries so true unfortunately

Daniel moya.............the lawyer was trying to get STRAIGHT ANSWERS! JW (like ALL of the JWs), dodge questions, divert attention and bloviate about nothing, JUST like most politicians. *smh* . Sick & sinful.

Kman Let me be bold. You're idiots, no JW would tell you this. For this same reason Jesus stayed silent when question before his death are the reason they stay quiet. It's like being a trumpet, it matters not what you tell them about trump, they'll refuse to listen to truth. In much the same way the true Christian don't bother saying anything to prevent an argument

Hey Doe Boy...Your rationale is equal to that of a grade schooler at best. Also, you're making ASSumptions that you (JWs) hold the truth as if you've got a corner on the market & some insider info. FIRST you bloviate about who knows what (senseless nonsense)...THEN you move on to a statement about Donald Trump is it(?), and THEN you close out with a statement that is utterly absent from any truth whatsoever when you "suggest" that a "TRUE" Christian won't (it's not "DON'T" by the way) bother to say anything to prevent an argument? I know you feel insulted by what I just said but tell ya what...forget the reply unless you feel compelled to stroke your tiny ego a bit, because I won't even view your response, let alone reply to it.

Thank YOU for words of TRUTH.

Child molestors come in every size, color, religious background.

You missed something. JW Counsel, discipline, remove as elders and disfellowship unrepentant child molesters. The Catholics church did not Counsel, discipline or remove priests. They just moved them to another Parish where they continued the abuse. The parents always had the right to report to the authorities. I assume they did not want to subject the child to having to repeat and be cross examined and having to appear and testify to the details of the abuse in open court. That would be very traumatic as well. There is no easy answer.

@@dinahkruppa913 There is so much bullshit in your comment I don’t even know where to begin. Lets see….. most of the pedos ARE your elders, they have their SECRET rulebook so they KNOW what they can get away with. They do shift to other congregations BY the organization itself to avoid “bringing reproach on jehovahs name”. The parents are told this too so they are mentally tied down and it continues. Ofcourse I could go on and on about this evil demonic led organization but you are simply brainwashed to the point you cannot even think for yourself. Its a waste if time and when this organization dies in the next decade or two I will feel real bad for you.

@@dinahkruppa913 maybe u missed the point. JW held and kept files of these rapist and did not, I REPEAT DIDN'T REPORT THE CRIMES TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES. THEY ELDERS AND THE GOVERNING BODY FAILED THE VICTIMS. THEY DIDN'T PROTECT THIER MEMEBERS THEY INSTEAD PROTECTED THE RAPIST.

Glad you made it out brother 🥰 enjoy your freedom

Happy for you🙏 Remember Jesus in your life

Same!

what about that lady that was helping what's his name down in Florida. you blame us for her too?

@krissykatportal freedom to do what? 🤣 sick people

They are not being truthful with the word of God.

+kastakan Thanks kastaken. If that doesn't scream 'dishonesty' on the part of Mr. Jackass, I don't know what does.

IF WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAYING IS WRONG JEHOVAH GOD - THE ALMIGHTY WILL PUT A STOP TO IT ! HE IS IN THE POSITION TO BE DEALT SERIOUSLY BY JEHOVAH . HE IS IN A PRIVLEDGE POSITION. IT'S NOT THE LIE YOU PEOPLE BELIEVE I'M GOING TO HEAVEN TO DRINK MILK AND EAT HONEY. QUESTION, DID NOT JEHOVAH PUNISH HIS OWN PEOPLE WHEN THEY DID WRONG? ARE YOU BETTER THAN HE IS? THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK! JAH SEES ALL THINGS! BUT IF YOU'RE NOT A MEEK AND HUMBLE PERSON YOU WON'T RECIEVE LIFE!

Wally Smitty the ENTIRE organization has been doing wrong since the beginning constantly changing doctrines that have killed people calling it " new light" when the Bible says God does not lie or change scripture meaning. This is a man made organization not of Jehovah

Yep, any rank and file member must obey them to the point of putting the GB's orders ahead of their own life. Say that you don't believe the GB are God's only chosen channel and you'll run the risk of being shunned. But, when it's THEIR ARSE on the line...

OH DAMN. thank you!!! been trying to find something this precise.

Es ist nicht einfach immer ja oder mit nein zu antworten. So geht es auch weltliche, Politiker, Menschen in alle Art nicht nur hier mit Zeugen oder Katholiken oder was weis ich mit wem.

😂😂😂😂😂 Good one bro!

Best comment ever!

Interesting

Lmao

Right? Don’t remember this one

WCVV WCVV the Bible is inspired by God, Jehovah...your not a witness how do you know what goes on

WCVV WCVV Our organization is learning all the x...he’s NOT dancing around. He’s answering the questions..on what was he dancing around that totally stupid name the subject he danced around..he’s using scriptures grow up wake up!,

The ? Is the Bible is inspired? And is a book about Jehovah and his dealings with mankind. Ad that paper that was was outdated...u know nothing u just Hate Jehovah and his people, do u even know how many xs Gods name is in the Bible, u only know a little

Yep. Done with those RETARDS! Baaahaaaa. Oops.

@@k-birdiebear3831 A. he's lying when he says you have freedom to leave the organization. You simply do not. You are either in or out and if you are out they will make a public declaration that you are dissociated and hence no one can talk to you -- He denied that yet it is 100% true. B. When he said it's presumptuous to say that they are not Jehovah God's spokes person on earth, that means, they do not have the right or authority to make the claim that they are guided or speak for Jehovah God, yet every magazine and book you have says that they are the only "channel" to Jehovah God that Jehovah God has approved them and directs them. So if what he says is true then the articles and books where they say that, which he is apart of assembling and distributing, is lying to you based on his testimonial in court. If it was true and since there are scriptures saying that you would be taken before courts to give an account and defend Jehovah, why would you deny that Jehovah is speaking through you, one would think that you'd be proud to have the "truth" and proclaim it boldly in public just like he tells his followers to do. Thats pretty much dancing friend... And when he's presented with conflicting scriptures (Deut 22:22-27 which states that a women that is raped without a witness has valid testimony without a second witness it begs the question, is it only women? why not teenagers and children when they get raped? Where is the scripture that backs that duplicity? What should really shock you is April 1st 1979 watchtower (questions from the readers) in which the GB tells you that you are not a part of the "New Covenant" (only they are) and that Jesus is NOT your mediator and that anything you get from Jesus comes from your friendship with the governing body. So they have placed themselves in between you and Jesus and you have to go through them for life, even though Jesus never said anything that could be mistaken for such a crazy idea. Even when answering the question about not being Jehovahs spokesperson he immediately thereafter adds confusion that maybe others trying to help in ways that are pleasing to Jehovah? He was trying to disguise his original answer by throwing this explanation it to the mix. If you have the truth and you speak for God -- say so! You should do so because you tell others to go out and give a witness based on your belief that God and Jesus are running the organization and therefore you have the "Truth" To say anything but YES for this question is either admitting you are lying to your followers or not directly answering the question (dancing) and confusing the issue because you are afraid. Are Jehovah's people cowards when it comes to speaking the truth?

Im 53 years old not married no children never had anything in common with jw sisters I was totally abused mentally & controlled through out my childhood in this cult It never made me a better person if I leave then my own parents will disowned me cant live with that !

Jehovah witness parents got away with corporate punishment that child protective service didnt investigate !

Yep! Thanks for bringing this up. I had to stop the video to make sure SOMEONE had pointed this out. I was raised JW in the late 80's and 90's and this was absolutely taken to mean you have an obligation to hit your kids.

Yup 👍...the rod, the wooden spoon, the yard stick, the switch...got beaten with all. That was a big fat lie!!!

oowwww, poor little girl got spanked few times, how awful... get a life snowflake. you probably deserved it. its not like they were breaking your bones...

When? He never lied...

@@chasethomas91 when he said that it would be presumptuous to say they are God's only channel was his first lie. That is EXACTLY what they teach.

@@chasethomas91 Jw says the only messages that they preach is the true all othes are wrong. And listen him. And one more. The head or the leaders. They call them self anointed ones. But Jesus is the only anointed one. Acts 4:24.- And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: 25.- Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? 26.- The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. 27.- For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast "ANOINTED", both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath "ANOINTED" me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, THE ONLY ANOINTED ONE IS JESUS. my friend you being deccive. Read John.1. Jesus since 2000 years ago warn us that will come false anointed ones. Matthew. 24:5 .- For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Christ in grek is Cristos. Cristos in hebrew is Mashiaj. And God anointed Jesus to become Christ. The fore jw fulfilling that prophesy.

@@amandalanigan4506 Not a lie at all. The world considers presumptuous that JWs consider themselves the only channel to God, that belief comes from their biblical knowedge, their strict commitment and devotion to the Word of God: the Bible.

@divaquana "Not allowing" doesnt mean "obeying", makes no sense at all. They´re the only christian religion that preach as stated in the Bible too. Being the only channel thru God is not the main point of their preaching, but "wisdom is proved righteous by its works" (Matt: 11: 18,19)

In addition I have always believed no matter who a person is if Jehovah sees one as having a righteously inclined heart that one is acceptable to him...providing that one strives to comply with Jehovah’s laws and principals...

Comming from a person who grew up JW, this organization serves a diffrent kind of God from the one of the bible.

Its all you have really…So you got to keep suppressing your doubts.,you can not say l worship God not man when you’re a witness..

Do you know what the word worship means., don’t you have songs praising these men

Do you know what the word worship means., don’t you have songs praising these men

Someone needs to pull the rug

If someone tells you not to look at critical information about them, that’s an automatic red flag. People with nothing to hide not only don’t tell others not to look at potential negative or critical information about them, but actively prevent people from viewing said information and punish those who do.

i am jw, and i dont have a problem listening to this. but crazy conspiracy theorists and apostates, yes i have problem listening to their poison.

@@Vukf1 but you don't have a problem with the poison you've been ingesting. All the lies, all the changes, all the contradictions. But truth seekers are APOSTATES.

@@Vukf1 their poison? They talk about the exact thing you’re watching right now. What lies have they told?

@Truth Never Lies Simply put, cults gonna cult.

no

Jehovah's Witnesses are YHWH's true worshippers regardless what a few bad apples do.

​@@adamlopez3561 so what do you think of the GB?

Kedemah Etienne Im only 13 and trying to get out of the religion and don’t know how

me too!!

Those who shun u wont make it to heaven

Likewise.. its a show and mind control all for imperfect man

My family worked hard to help others. We were not alcoholics or drug addicts when we grew up. Addicts choose to be one. They always blame it on someone or something. You can stop your addiction if you want to do so.

My parents were reg pioneers, really strict, so I had a similar experience. I was really messed up from my upbringing and then really messed up when I found it it was all lies. I developed a bad addiction from wanting to numb the intense hurt. I was planning my suicide for a while after finding out about the child sexual abuse problem and due to some close family shunning me and my kids. But I asked for help from my Dr, I got lots of different types of counceling (as I had long term depression and an anxiety disorder) and specific help for addiction and been clean for around 5 years and holding down the same job for 7 years.

JW's teach parents to counsel their children lovingly. And discipline kindly. Anyone can attend meetings. But not everyone practices what they are taught. Place the blame on the abusive one who chose ignore the Bible counsel. I have always understood the "rod" to mean discipline in kindness and with patience. My Sis and I were never beaten. My children were never beaten.

Praying for the healing of you and your family. I was raised as a jw and I'm not active but I do know the organization has a huge influence on how I interact with the world. There's negative in all things. Please remember the good 💜❤🧡

yep. best people on earth without doubt. we come and go because we enjoy laziness and sin. period

The bible never advocated stoning for Christians and refusing to associate with those who no longer have your moral standards is what we all do in life...do you associate with Nazis?

Very silly reply- comparing people who leave the witnesses to nazis is not only ridiculous but an insult to any thinking person.

It's not torture when they are calling it a loving arrangement!

+ollieskins I have no problem with someone shunning a nazi. But how about shunning a depressed alcoholic? I knew a couple of people with serious alcohol problems and being shunned by everyone they knew definitely did not help them. The other one died in a drunken accident (no crime involved, just a sad accident) within a year of being disfellowshiped.

I am not for shunning people in general.

Wow you make a lot of sense @LadyHollman

B Buttercup ...get out of the cult.

Imagine at memorial they have taught a teaching of NOT partaking of emblems of Lords Evening meal. So the members of congregation deny the Christ because the emblems are about Christ sacrificed body for forgiving of sins.

then you are a rebel. like someone else I know

Those people aren’t your friends .

***** Thank you for sharing that info with me. I was wondering about whether or not they did that with the bible translations (if you can even callthem that). I remember when they told us to get a black permanent marker and black out certain parts of the Revelation-It's Grand Climax book, and then throw them away (I noticed they were trying to erase traces of the fact that they were trying to make it seem like Armageddon would come before the "generation" of 1914 died off.

Still not responsible for what others do with the literature they approve. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

exactly. And isnt he in the writing dept?!

⁠overseeing and writing are two different things. The people under his department writes the articles. He just reviews them and hold meeting with them to discuss what topics to put on the articles.

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@Aubrey Shatner the governing body and Jehovah's witnesses are the apostles. You are from your father Satan who is a liar.

@Aubrey Shatner Sister: What are you doing here! I will report you to the elders in your congregation! You are not suposed to visit this pages!

Elsa Stenberg This isn’t in anyway an apostate site, it’s a legit video of a legal case about legitimate matters so society. It’s pretty clear that the prosecutors have no understanding of scriptural policy, don’t know the role of the GB and what they stand for, and have no respect for the Bible. Jackson clearly has respect for the Bible and will not go beyond what’s written. He dropped bombs on all questions and allegations

@@Angel-rs3ve That is simply untrue

They are all uneducated power hungry control freaks. not one of them is a biblical scholar and are not knowledgeable in ancient languages, no how can any of them give proper insight?

Most of Jesus's apostle did not attended bible schools like the ancient Pharisees yet what happened Jesus chose them over the learned Pharisees. Jesus said in (Matthew 11:25) "At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: "O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike"(childlike representing meekness and humility)so that makes your argument flawed.Jehovah's witnesses are nice people who preach the truth about God ever since I met them I have come to realize the real meaning of God's love for mankind. They may have their short comings but they are certainly not bad company. Jesus had 12 apostle yet 1 betrayed him so in any human organization there is bound to one or 2 bad nuts but u can't conclude that the actions of these individuals should be basis for you to tag them as bad company

henry hasford Correction, Isa, IES, or Yeshua and his apostles and disciples were from the Essene communal order of the hidden mystery schools of ancient Egypt, do the research that religious organizations and churches don't point you to in order to understand the whole enchilada. So yes they were very much educated in ancient knowledge unlike the watchtower hierarchy clowns and their manipulated puppet circuit overseers, elders and lower ranks

henry hasford Childlike means innocence. This innocence is far away and missing from Watchtower elites

Even Jesus's disciples were not that educated,so what's your point???

I was thinking this exact same thing

Deborah appears in the book of Judges but she was a prophetess in the same way as prophet Samuel, she was not part of group of 12 men appointed as judges by Jehovah God.

@@emmanuel2588 The Book of Judges mentions twelve leaders who judged Israel: Othniel, Ehud, Shamgar, *Deborah* , Gideon, Tola, Jair, Jephthah, Ibzan, Elon, Abdon, and Samson.

@@tirone7520 Replace Deborah with Barak.

Goat bone what about judge Judy?

@forever The point is that a Jehovah Witness tried to avoid answering this question in court.

This is so Profound! Presumptuous happens when you teach that you have a Monopoly on God's word, in other words, your religion is the only way to a relationship with God, the Universe, whatever you want to call it. Wow,

@Aubrey Shatner what are you doing on here anyway? You know you can get disfellowshipped for viewing so-called apostate material LOL. Where in the Bible does it say to follow 8 men in New York and don't question anything they say? Did you know that the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses was it proven false prophet and a pedophile and the second president said that the world would end in 1925, he believed this so much that he actually had a house Belton California good morning and didn't happen he ends up living there with his mistress while his wife is living in New York. I'm just curious what does the Bible say about adultery? Think about this and then read Matthew 7:14-16 I am not nor have I ever been a Jehovah's Witness so therefore I am not an apostate I'm sorry to tell you... how do you think you're going to be saved when the very baptism you took part in what is blasphemy?

No he says it would be presumptuous to say that they were the only spokesperson. He says there, in the congregation, somebody giving comfort would be a spokesperson too. Clearly if they are giving the advice of the GB obviously.

@@c-rad2419 Brother Rutherford's wife was very sick and she lived in s house in CA because the climate was better for her health. Brother Rutherford's wife supported his role as President of JW. She was a JW herself. Why do people try to pass, unfounded gossip along and can give no credit for the tremendous personal sacrifices people make.

I only see 448K right now. I wonder what happened.

That was GOLD!!!!

It is the parents to turn in the person. We have been reminded of this often. Just telling the elders will is as hearsay they did not witness what happen. Good to make them aware of the situation. If someone did something to my child within minutes I would be at the police station!! Can’t expect someone else to take the lead in something that is your responsibility.

nobody is stopping them

@JayKnee someone is sour...

That's actually pretty funny because there's a decent chance it's true lol.

Certainly

LOL

@@bluesync1 wait isn’t everything he does considered logged hours of field service!? Lol

宇宙不思議な aha haha hahahaha. Welcome to the truth about the truth. Sit for an hour a week shitting on the Catholics as a modern day Jezebel wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101988010 “The harlot rides a beast” the harlot is the world empire of false religion spear headed mainly by the catholic church. “Sitting pretty in the Vatican, Pope Pius XII let the Holocaust on the Jews and the cruel persecutions of Jehovah’s Witnesses and others proceed uncriticized. It is ironical that Pope John Paul II, on visiting Germany in May 1987, should glorify the anti-Nazi stand of one sincere priest.” Sounds a lot like hate the pope to me. Sitting there, hearing comments like “we should hate the pope”. I was there. I wont be gaslighted.

No true

That was the point I brought up to an elder: It would seem at that time he had no idea of RAC. I remember so vividly how his left leg would shake as I told him what I heard and what I read from transcripts. Geoffrey Jackson should have been disfellowshipped for such blatant lies.

+OTTO OCTAVIOUS All the JWs here that use fake names. Why are you embraced to make yourself known. When I went door to door, I used my real name. In this modern age of technology, is it new that one uses anonymous names? What will that accomplish. I shall no longer address anyone who does not show me who they are with a real name and email. Those that do this are cowards? Are you a coward?

Otto, I swear so that's the reason you don't use your real name? You shitting me? Have you forgotten why this site is here? It's about JWs molesting children. It's not about you. I have yet to see a post where you show any compassion for the victims of this atrocity. You quote scripture. Do you have ADD?

+PJ Wilcox abuse can be reported sir wilcox.

+Shark Bite Shark Bite is upset because lets face it, if a JW comes online it ruins the fun of slander propaganda. They are what they are, warnings, I wouldn't try to make it out to be a hypocritical synopsis without first doing research or getting the true meaning out of the warning. Another example of slander would be many JWs deciding not going to college and heeding the warnings, there are high schools that promote the first step you do when you step out of the high school is to get into deep dept with learning from a business, yes a business that is all colleges are, yet they fail to disclose the problems with graduation from college not able to get a job and having to pay student loans the rest of their lives, but even going as far as suicide. Why do they fail to disclose those facts. So both warnings are good to follow cause most of the people here are haters of JWs and who likes to be called every bad word in the dictionary as well as some new ones from pagans?

George Bennett No problem there, got a abuse problem and need some help? Recall Natalie Holloway and Polly Clasp? Gov did not want any help. Clasp, yep. Where is that bastard? Most of the group got eliminated recently. Wars do kill people. I am at fucking war with this Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. I challenge anyone to confront me to a debate? Any takers? I promise not to touch anyone. Your safe

+Felice Young - Well apparently even after being a missionary since the 60s, and rising to the almighty and all-seeing position of Governing Body member, Jackson still doesn't know exactly how disfellowshipping works. He said under oath in this very court investigation that it "wasn't his department." Meanwhile, 8 year old witness kids know how it works.

you should open a school of nitpicking

@TheDarkMikado ask your government how it handles treason

Hello sir! Are u a disfellowshipped one?

the authorities with the shoot first policy depending on how you look?

nonsensical

I agree with you Matthew. Even if several jws would notice errors in gb declaration, they'd keep quiet since asking questions would get them disfellowshipped for apostasy 😢

so, how are you enjoying your empty, senseless life in this filthy dump called world? :) thats what i thought

jumping into the world with no more of God's interference. congrats. tell us all your perfect life experiences now

Horseshit. The Governing Body shape ALL doctrines, rules and regulations that all JWs are expected to follow without question. So don't sit there like a blithering idiot thinking you can pull the wool over our eyes. This idiot Geoffrey Jackson sat there, dodged questions and lied his face off. And deep down, I'm pretty sure you know that.

OTTO OCTAVIOUS Otto, don't try and pull that crap. No matter what their "area of expertise" is, you know as well as I do that NOTHING that passes for either doctrine or policies and procedures is finalized without the full approval of the Governing Body members. Unless of course you're suggesting that some of 'Christ's brothers' aren't even aware what their own policies are.....good lord.

Mary You said it all Mary ! These people are out of their minds to believe these frauds

OTTO OCTAVIOUS Don't be an ass. No, not because I 'got it off the internet', but because they themselves teach that they are the only means through which Jehovah is working. You are told that in order to have Jehovah's favour, you have to follow whatever it is the "Slave" says. Now even with your limited brain cells working, you should be able to connect the dots. If these men are not all making the decisions of shaping policies and doctrines, then who is? And if it's not "the Slave", then why on earth should anyone have to blindly obey them?

OTTO OCTAVIOUS “…NOT TRUE, THE BIBLE PLAYS THE ONLY PART IN SHAPING IT'S UNDERSTANDING…” You’re full of shit and you know it. The GB members give their bizarre twist on the scriptures to make it fit with their preconceived ideas and when the bible doesn’t fit, they simply tell you not to question THEM. “…SO LET ME GET THIS RIGHT...BY GIVING YOUR ONE SIDED HATEFUL OPINION...I'M PULLING THE WOOL...” Wow! That’s rich coming from someone in a cult that allows for no questioning of the leaders’ crazy-ass interpretation of the bible. If ever a religion has a “one-sided opinion”, it’s yours. But of course, you’ll never admit that. This idiot Geoffrey Jackson sat there, dodged questions and lied his face off. "OK SHOW ME WHERE HE DID THIS...THATS ALL I ASK...WHERE IN YOUR OPINION DID HE LIE.... I ASKED YOU THIS MONTH'S AGO AND NEVER GOT AN ANSWER." Here’s your answer. During the hearing, a very pertinent question was asked by the Royal Commission and it went like this: Angus Stewart: “Do you see yourselves as Jehovah God’s spokespeople on earth?” Geoffrey Jackson: “That I think would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that God is using.” Yet that is exactly what they teach: “…Is it presumptuous of Jehovah’s Witnesses to point out that they alone have God’s backing? Actually, no more so than when the Israelites in Egypt claimed to have God’s backing in spite of the Egyptians’ belief, or when first-century Christians claimed to have God’s backing to the exclusion of Jewish religionists. The facts speak for themselves.” --w01 6/1 p. 12 I guess it’s time that Mr. Jackson actually do some background reading on the subject because that’s exactly what they teach. Unless of course, this “isn’t his area”. LOL

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+Jakke Control Jehovah's Witnesses 'fostered distrust' of secular authority - royal commission counsel A damning submission to the royal commission on child sexual abuse has recommended 77 adverse findings against the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia.It was open to the commission to find the church fostered distrust of secular authorities and its response to child sexual abuse fell short of best practice, counsel to the commission Angus Stewart QC found in his submission, published on Tuesday.Since 1950 the church has received 1,066 allegations against its members and did not report any of them to police.Stewart’s recommendations arise out of a public hearing into the Jehovah’s Witnesses and its oversight body, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia, in July.He said the Witnesses received about three or four reports of allegations of child abuse a month.The Jehovah’s Witness organisation presented its members with “conflicting and ambiguous teachings regarding their relationship with secular authorities, thereby fostering a distrust of such authorities”, Stewart said.He was critical of the church for requiring abuse victim BCB, who gave evidence at the July hearing, to confront her abuser and for not allowing the involvement of women when her complaint was being investigated.He said it was “inconsistent of the elders’ professed sympathy for BCB”.The evidence in July was that although elders in the Western Australia congregation at Narrogin - where BCB was abused by elder Bill Neill - believed her, Neill was allowed to keep his job because under “witness” regulations, based on a second-century interpretation of the Bible, two witnesses are needed to prove a crime.BCB - who was in her mid-teens and had been groomed by Neill for a number of years - was made to continue to attend Bible classes with him and discouraged from discussing the abuse with anyone, Stewart found.Among the other findings open to the commission was that there was no justification for the Jehovah’s Witnesses not to report to police when the victim was a minor and others were still at risk, Stewart said.One of the most senior members of the Jehovah’s Witness church, Geoffrey Jackson, who is on the New York-based governing body that oversees decisions made internationally, gave evidence on the final day of the public hearing.On Tuesday, Stewart said it could be found that Jackson, by familiarising himself only with the testimony of church witnesses and not reading the testimony of survivors, “belies his stated empathy for the survivors and his stated recognition of the importance of their perspective”.In a submission responding to Stewart’s proposed finding, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia said the finding that the Jehovah’s Witnesses organisation fostered distrust was “just not true”.The submission said Stewart was selective in what doctrinal teachings he used to support the proposed finding.Stewart’s logic around the church’s relationship with secular authorities was flawed because Witnesses believed it was their “Christian responsibility to be good citizens”, and encourage obedience to the law, the submission said.The submission said many of Stewart’s proposed findings were based on “incorrect assertions” and the proposed finding against Jackson did not reflect what he actually said.He had been in Australia to care for his ailing father and did not expect to be called to the commission, the society said.

+Jakke Control Jehovah's Witnesses 'fostered distrust' of secular authority - royal commission counsel A damning submission to the royal commission on child sexual abuse has recommended 77 adverse findings against the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia.It was open to the commission to find the church fostered distrust of secular authorities and its response to child sexual abuse fell short of best practice, counsel to the commission Angus Stewart QC found in his submission, published on Tuesday.Since 1950 the church has received 1,066 allegations against its members and did not report any of them to police.Stewart’s recommendations arise out of a public hearing into the Jehovah’s Witnesses and its oversight body, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia, in July.He said the Witnesses received about three or four reports of allegations of child abuse a month.The Jehovah’s Witness organisation presented its members with “conflicting and ambiguous teachings regarding their relationship with secular authorities, thereby fostering a distrust of such authorities”, Stewart said.He was critical of the church for requiring abuse victim BCB, who gave evidence at the July hearing, to confront her abuser and for not allowing the involvement of women when her complaint was being investigated.He said it was “inconsistent of the elders’ professed sympathy for BCB”.The evidence in July was that although elders in the Western Australia congregation at Narrogin - where BCB was abused by elder Bill Neill - believed her, Neill was allowed to keep his job because under “witness” regulations, based on a second-century interpretation of the Bible, two witnesses are needed to prove a crime.BCB - who was in her mid-teens and had been groomed by Neill for a number of years - was made to continue to attend Bible classes with him and discouraged from discussing the abuse with anyone, Stewart found.Among the other findings open to the commission was that there was no justification for the Jehovah’s Witnesses not to report to police when the victim was a minor and others were still at risk, Stewart said.One of the most senior members of the Jehovah’s Witness church, Geoffrey Jackson, who is on the New York-based governing body that oversees decisions made internationally, gave evidence on the final day of the public hearing.On Tuesday, Stewart said it could be found that Jackson, by familiarising himself only with the testimony of church witnesses and not reading the testimony of survivors, “belies his stated empathy for the survivors and his stated recognition of the importance of their perspective”.In a submission responding to Stewart’s proposed finding, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia said the finding that the Jehovah’s Witnesses organisation fostered distrust was “just not true”.The submission said Stewart was selective in what doctrinal teachings he used to support the proposed finding.Stewart’s logic around the church’s relationship with secular authorities was flawed because Witnesses believed it was their “Christian responsibility to be good citizens”, and encourage obedience to the law, the submission said.The submission said many of Stewart’s proposed findings were based on “incorrect assertions” and the proposed finding against Jackson did not reflect what he actually said.He had been in Australia to care for his ailing father and did not expect to be called to the commission, the society said.

+Jakke Control Jehovah's Witnesses 'fostered distrust' of secular authority - royal commission counsel A damning submission to the royal commission on child sexual abuse has recommended 77 adverse findings against the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia.It was open to the commission to find the church fostered distrust of secular authorities and its response to child sexual abuse fell short of best practice, counsel to the commission Angus Stewart QC found in his submission, published on Tuesday.Since 1950 the church has received 1,066 allegations against its members and did not report any of them to police.Stewart’s recommendations arise out of a public hearing into the Jehovah’s Witnesses and its oversight body, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia, in July.He said the Witnesses received about three or four reports of allegations of child abuse a month.The Jehovah’s Witness organisation presented its members with “conflicting and ambiguous teachings regarding their relationship with secular authorities, thereby fostering a distrust of such authorities”, Stewart said.He was critical of the church for requiring abuse victim BCB, who gave evidence at the July hearing, to confront her abuser and for not allowing the involvement of women when her complaint was being investigated.He said it was “inconsistent of the elders’ professed sympathy for BCB”.The evidence in July was that although elders in the Western Australia congregation at Narrogin - where BCB was abused by elder Bill Neill - believed her, Neill was allowed to keep his job because under “witness” regulations, based on a second-century interpretation of the Bible, two witnesses are needed to prove a crime.BCB - who was in her mid-teens and had been groomed by Neill for a number of years - was made to continue to attend Bible classes with him and discouraged from discussing the abuse with anyone, Stewart found.Among the other findings open to the commission was that there was no justification for the Jehovah’s Witnesses not to report to police when the victim was a minor and others were still at risk, Stewart said.One of the most senior members of the Jehovah’s Witness church, Geoffrey Jackson, who is on the New York-based governing body that oversees decisions made internationally, gave evidence on the final day of the public hearing.On Tuesday, Stewart said it could be found that Jackson, by familiarising himself only with the testimony of church witnesses and not reading the testimony of survivors, “belies his stated empathy for the survivors and his stated recognition of the importance of their perspective”.In a submission responding to Stewart’s proposed finding, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia said the finding that the Jehovah’s Witnesses organisation fostered distrust was “just not true”.The submission said Stewart was selective in what doctrinal teachings he used to support the proposed finding.Stewart’s logic around the church’s relationship with secular authorities was flawed because Witnesses believed it was their “Christian responsibility to be good citizens”, and encourage obedience to the law, the submission said.The submission said many of Stewart’s proposed findings were based on “incorrect assertions” and the proposed finding against Jackson did not reflect what he actually said.He had been in Australia to care for his ailing father and did not expect to be called to the commission, the society said.

I cannot understand his argument that mandatory laws would assist, because we are thought that the superior biblical law as interpreted by Jehovah's Witnesses takes preference over everything else. So it you are following scripture why do you need secular law to guide you.

Denouncing Jehovah's Kingdom Good one XD but unfortunately he doesn't exist....

Ha! that's true and neither does any sense of accountability in the Watchtower organisation exist apparently!

Denouncing Jehovah's Kingdom Indeed lol

isaac3002 How else do you think this inquiry even got started?

Lmaoo

if you stop reading dirty mags you won't end up there

I knew of a sister many decades ago who discovered her husband was in a homosexual affair. She went to the brothers on the subject of divorce and they told her she was free to make her decision but she would not be free to remarry and remain in good standing in the congregation because the Bible only speaks of adultery between a man and a woman . That poor woman was young and had no children. So being the sheep that she was she patiently waited around til the organization shed new light on what adultery was really. By that time she was old and unable to have children. The real true stories such as this are countless and heartbreaking.

nope you misquoted him which means you weren't listening which means you can't be taken seriously

Can you elaborate on what were lies?

Black or white? Mmmmm

Like what

Well thats a straight up lie. Were you even a witness?

I was one of Jehovah witnesses for 12 yrs. I see that you are not a witness. Maybe you are on the fence. You're not supposed to be on this channel. Who are you defending? At the end of the day, the GB frown on witnesses looking around social media. You might hear about the injustice and double standards of the witnesses. You just might take a stand for the most high and not men.

What you just commented made no sense. In a judicial meeting there are no rules to how to answer questions. In a judicial meeting you are being questioned about the sin commited and being judged on how you feel about it and if you are truly repent for your sin. Doesnt always mean disfellowship.

Its often a personal choice made by parents. Even in the JW community over all the years, there exists a spectrum including semi-sadistic to more liberal parenting. It often depends on the parents own upbringing and influences. Thats typical of society. Bible teachings SHOULD however motivate people to change their own attitudes etc

@@fifthdimension1984 I understand what you are saying. My parents weren't sadistic or abusive. They were loving but the frequency of spankings almost seemed abusive. It hurts me to say it because I still say that my parents were the best parents ever. If every parent were like them the world would be a better place. They claimed it hurt them more than us. (I'm not sure about that. lol) They were careful not to inflict bodily injury. They used light weight switches or belts. I have mixed feelings about discipline. On one hand the advantages might be that children are more obedient and respectful, so I'm not saying all discipline is bad, but I feel excessive discipline tends to destroy confidence. It's already a challenge being raised different from other children of the world in terms of not being able to participate in various school activities, but when ones confidence is affected by too much discipline as well, it just adds to ones feeling of trauma or isolation. Maybe trauma is the wrong word. What I meant to say is it's hard enough to stand up for what is right in the first place without added feelings of insecurity based on a lot of corporal punishment. I hope that makes sense. Neither of my parents were raised JWs. My father was an atheist before he became a Witness. My mother probably wasn't overly spiritual either before becoming a Witness. I think they had Baptist backgrounds as children to some faint degree before Witnesses knocked on their door. My mother and grandmother studied first. It took my father longer. His hang up was "Where did God come from?" He's highly brilliant but they somehow got around it:-) I don't regret my Biblical upbringing. I'm grateful for that. Aside from what I deemed to be too much discipline there was a lot of love. My father took time to explain scripture. We lived in nice homes and were well dressed. We took a lot of family vacations. My mother kept a beautiful home that was always clean. They were always there for us, overly protective I would say. So I did have a lot to be grateful for. I don't want it to seem as if I had a bad home life. I didn't. Overall I had an excellent home life.

I think people discipline their children on the way they were discipline. I was never spanked but I had rules which are necessary for children.

@@dinahkruppa913 Fortunate you! My parents were good parents. Lots of Biblical guidance. They were loving. We lived in nice homes. Had all the clothes we wanted and took a lot of family vacations. There were many perks in my life so I don't mean to sound as if I'm complaining, but I do think the the spankings with belts were a bit excessive, especially when we did as we were told and never talked back. They don't even know why we were spanked as often as we were. They acknowledged that we were obedient children. It had to be that we made a mess at times with toys in our room. There wasn't anything else. But isn't that what kids do? I'm a neat freak today so maybe it did me some good after all. lol

All Witnesses parents have different spectrum of discipline with their own children. Some take firm measure, some don't. It all depends on their perspective of how they should discipline their kids. The 'rod' thing in Proverbs is always to be taken figuratively. However it's parents' responsibility to take necessary steps to correct their kids. As far as I can remember, the articles in Watchtower don't encourage painful and harsh punishments.

next time go be raised by a different family and tell us how perfect the experience was

Oh thats rubbish. The room may have been used to take rowdy or noisy or crying kids aside to calm them down

jhollis55 lennie Thank you for this comment! Very well said.

What demon hand at the side?

no

Exposing the Wolves ! I will use this as evidence that JWs can make oaths to God XD

isaac3002 As a former JW, I was wondering how he would handle that ... and he shanked it. They are allowed to AFFIRM, not to swear.

bill65761 what does " shanked " mean. It's not a word I've heard here in the UK !!

means stabbed

Leviticus 19:12 "You must not swear to a lie in my name and thus profane the name of your God. I am Jehovah." He didn't lie. Jesus condemned the practice of taking oaths lightly, very common among jews at the time.

SpecialPioneerSmerf Oh my god! You are right!! 😮

SpecialPioneerSmerf 😂😂😂

Wow. That is quite a Revelation. Nice

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Maxine Mack may God forgive your words . U got no idea wat u r saying

Kenneth Ohene you are the slave and they are the publishers. They print the publications and you slave around town handing them out.

Wafle21 your comment turns my stomach. Gods holy spirt is not on this this religion/Cult. Myself and my brother were brought up in this awful cult and suffered much abuse. I could write a book about the things that happened to us. This cult should be banned!!

wafle21 , only honest people can see the organization is guided by God its sound the same like : " only honest people can see G Jackson look like Tom Cruise " so since people afraid of being accused or labeled as the dishonest ones by jws , so they being FORCED to say that " G Jackson so hand some look like Tom Cruise " eventhough in FACT and to be genuinly HONEST i am WITNESSING that G Jackson he look like over boiled potatos head instead handsome like Tom Cruise , do you agree ? that is to be real HONEST , do you understand what does it really mean ? is that make me become dishonest person just because telling the TRUTH that JW ORG IS THE NEST OF DEADLY VIPERS ? or just because am telling the truth that G Jackson is not handsome at all ? and you might get shun if you agree of what i am saying , does it ? please understand of this delicate matter, ☝🏼 😁, true people can see that JW org if factory of lies and use the Bible in malpractice way of making image that to made them look so true,,,,,,

He just admitted that they choose themselves and they are not the only ones God communicate directly with.

He just admitted that they choose themselves and they are not the only ones God communicate directly with.

Maybe the JW'S will be the subject of Spotlight part 2... :)

matondo giresse thank you

The two witness rule is irrelevant, what matters is that we are expected to believe that the most powerful mind in the universe, God. Would invoke a mandate or rule, that would make it virtually impossible for a child abuse victim to be believed. This is an act so reprehensible, that no decent person could ever associate themselves with such a being.

you obviously didn't listen. He said more than he had to. He awnsered everything with more information than needed.

He’s done an excellent job

Ironically I agree, but the shadyness is on another level

Yes. Master of deflection, semantics, passing the blame, and straight up lying. Not once did he show any empathy for the victims.

Michael Ashworth Judges 4:4 NWT" Now Debo·rah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappi·doth, was judging Israel at that time. " No comentaary required

Michael Ashworth yes that's true

+Gaz Lanham JWs have eyes but can't see, ears but don't hear. If one is still defending JWs, they at least should be using their name and show their conviction. Does their god recognize their fruits as being anonymous? This is not what I was taught when I was partaking in this cult of lies and deception. They are blind, deaf misled cowards.

+OTTO OCTAVIOUS you made me laugh haha-- nice reply. Our hearts is with you... For me -- I'm here because Brother Jackson is one of our governing body. Those who hate Brother Jackson and Jw must not be here .. They must stay in their fellow believers too haha. Correct me Bro if I'm wrong with my reason or not hahaha.

+OTTO OCTAVIOUS I agree 100%

Chris Stevens They make them self’s as GOD= Guardians Of Doctrine. SMH 🤦🏼‍♀️ So sad,🤷🏼‍♀️ YHWH AND OUR LORD YESHUA they will have to face. The new modern Scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23:1-38 they sound like. May GOD YHWH have mercy on there souls and wake up all those that are asleep. Peace be with you.🙏🏻😇🌎💞

Exactly. That statement is so cultish