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dBA vs. dBC - Live Sound Fundamentals from The Production Academy 

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This video explores the difference between A-weighted and C-weighted decibels.
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One of the main concerns with live music is volume. Even music that's not necessarily supposed to be loud can still be painful in the high-mids, or too boomy in the low-mids, or just cranked to a higher volume than is appropriate. Of course, there are some artists that are meant to be loud, and when I’m on tour with someone like that they’ll request that I really push the mix.
However, some venues have strict decibel limits. A decibel meter tells you the SPL (sound pressure level, which is measured in decibels) and if I go above that volume I’ll be asked to turn down. And if I don't comply, the house engineer may do it themselves in the system processing. It’s never a good idea to let it get that far.
This can be frustrating. For example, two iconic outdoor Los Angeles venues have strict decibel limits - the Greek Theater and the Hollywood Bowl. I've done shows at both and been a little bummed out when I want to turn it up but am already at the decibel limit. But it's part of the job, and if the mixes are good enough they’ll still sound nice and full at a lower volume.
Even if I’m not mixing super loudly, I still find it helpful to know the SPL. Especially when I’ve been working a lot, my ears get tired, which can affect my perspective. Using a decibel meter is a good way to keep tabs on my mix to make sure I’m in the right ballpark.
Decibel readings for music are typically done with two different measurements: dBa and dBc. We also call these A-weighted and C-weighted decibels. They both measure SPL but use different frequency curves to weight the reading.
More often than not, you'll see A-weighted decibel limits. In theory, this is supposed to be a realistic representation of human hearing since our ears are more sensitive to midrange frequencies. That’s why most people use it as standard.
However, A-weighted decibel readings only really work at lower volumes and don't take into account the loud low-end frequencies we have at a lot of shows. C-weighted measurements include more of the low frequencies. When we get up to loud volumes, this is actually closer to how we hear it.
In almost all situations where someone is measuring SPL at a show, they’ll use A-weighting, even though it’s technically less accurate. But this is a good thing when you’re mixing with a decibel limit! A-weighting can be more forgiving, and if you have a show with a lot of low end, you’ll start to push the dBc readings much higher.
Of course, every artist is different and every engineer has their own style of mixing. But for me, if I’m trying to hit the sweet spot with volume, I’ll mix rock/pop bands between 100 and 105 dBa, or between 105 and 110 dBc. This is definitely loud! But I find it’s the volume where really good mixes can shine (and bad/harsh mixes get painful to listen to).

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@bibihunden
@bibihunden Год назад
Nice video, but take care folks. If you have 100db-A at your mixer position some 30 meters away from stage, you easy have +120dB-C up front in the audience. And since we are more tolerent to high levels after just a few drinks, this can be dangerous to your hearing. At rockconcerts, alwayss use dB-C! We are here to give people a good and maybe loud experience, not to damage their health.
@benberk8541
@benberk8541 3 года назад
One time I was doing stage front security at a family friendly music festival. One of the EDM artist was furious because the border police denied entry into the country to his brother due to legal reasons. So some how during his set he did something to crank up the volume louder than I have ever experienced before. I am pretty sure the mixer guys are in charge of the volume so I don't know what happened. I have been stage security at all kinds of metal and EDM shows and never felt pain like this. Even with ear plugs it felt like someone was trying to tighten sharp little screws into my ear drums. I could not withstand that pain without plugging my ears physically with both hands. I was forcing little kids under 12 that were trying to come near the stage to either put on ear plugs or back up during his set.
@theproductionacademy
@theproductionacademy 3 года назад
This is real problem, and that’s mostly why decibel limits are put in place (other than not bothering neighbors). I usually have packs of earplugs I give out to people at festivals, especially young kids.
@alstu9492
@alstu9492 2 года назад
@@theproductionacademy Wouldn't it be better quality to play the music at a level that doesn't require plugging ears. Earplugs not only reduce the volume, but in doing so they also distort the audio spectrum contour. Lets pay our hard earned money to wear earplugs that distort the audio spectrum contour so we can listen to music. No thanks.
@SamtasticOnline
@SamtasticOnline 11 месяцев назад
@@alstu9492 If the music is quieter, then the difference between the audience and the music is smaller. I can't get a crowd to quiet down, but I can put in earplugs.
@Iheartdrumzz
@Iheartdrumzz 3 года назад
Great video 👌🏾
@sasmono8628
@sasmono8628 3 года назад
Maturnuwun pak
@PlayitonPan
@PlayitonPan 4 года назад
🔥 Great video 🙌🏾 my neighbours thank you 😎💫
@rupe82
@rupe82 Год назад
In the UK there are noise limits for neighbours at certain times but they are measured in dBa. If you can hear your neighbours subwoofer then measuring in dBa is pointless as it won't pick up the low frequencies. If I understand it correctly.
@theproductionacademy
@theproductionacademy Год назад
That is correct!
@BrianMDPhD
@BrianMDPhD 4 года назад
Great video! So if I want to measure the overall for performance level for hearing protection, I have been using dBA, are you saying I should use dBC instead to account for the entire range?
@theproductionacademy
@theproductionacademy 4 года назад
Thanks! Actually, for hearing protection, dBA can work fine because it's focused on the frequencies that are likely to cause hearing damage. But if you have a lot of low frequency information (subwoofers, etc.) dBC can be a more accurate measurement.
@yo3429
@yo3429 2 года назад
Thank you! I only have a dB(A) meter, what do you guess is the difference in dB when using full spectrum noise vs dB(C)? Shows db(C) +6 dB or even more difference?
@Francoisl76
@Francoisl76 Год назад
Thanks for this video Scott! What about sound level calibration now? For a multi-channel mix (home cinema in a dedicated room, in my case), should a measurement be made in dBA or in dBC to calibrate the levels? The bass is increasingly used in today's mixes. Is it better to concentrate on the part above 1000hz (voice of the actors) and therefore measure in dBA with its sound level meter or on the contrary it is necessary to take into account the bass and use the dBC? What is your opinion? Many thanks! François
@theproductionacademy
@theproductionacademy Год назад
I'd say you should take measurements in both dBA and dBC. As long as you understand the difference, you can use that information however you wish. But for balancing levels between speakers (except subwoofers), I'd guess dBA would be more useful for cinema. However, that isn't something I do often, and not sure how the home cinema experts do it.
@Francoisl76
@Francoisl76 Год назад
@@theproductionacademy I found the official information. For a bass-managed system, the level of each speakers have to be adjusted to 85 dBC because the subwoofer handles the lower frequencies for every channel. Looks to be the same on a non bass managed system (main speakers have to be able to reach 40-45hz). For the LFE signal there is no question we use of course dBC
@theproductionacademy
@theproductionacademy Год назад
@@Francoisl76 Makes sense - thanks for the update!
@xpusostomos
@xpusostomos 2 года назад
So.... destroy the audience's hearing, but preserve your own. Hmmm.....
@theproductionacademy
@theproductionacademy 2 года назад
A show can be loud without destroying peoples hearing, you just need to be conscious of how loud you are mixing. Not all concerts are meant to be quiet…
@xpusostomos
@xpusostomos 2 года назад
@@theproductionacademy I went to an INXS concert, and couldn't hear for 3 days. 30 years later, my hearing is still affected. You're telling me you can't stand the volume and you need ear plugs, but everyone else is going to be fine. That makes no sense.
@timpo9341
@timpo9341 11 месяцев назад
The C-weighting scale was originally designed to be the best predictor of the ear’s sensitivity to tones at high noise levels. Why, then, are noise measurements for hearing conservation almost always measured in dBA? Because the ear’s loudness sensitivity for tones is not the same as the ears’ damage risk for noise. Even though the low frequencies and high frequencies are perceived as being equally loud at high sound levels, much of the low frequency noise is actually being filtered out by the ear, making it less likely to cause damage. The A-weighting scale in a sound level meter replicates this filtering process of the human ear.
@xpusostomos
@xpusostomos 11 месяцев назад
@@theproductionacademy all I can say is I went to an INXS concert as a kid and my hearing was never the same
@vitaliistep
@vitaliistep 6 месяцев назад
So they intentionally use dBA to push the volume beyond healthy level and pretend that it's normal. A lot of people should be sued.
@theproductionacademy
@theproductionacademy 6 месяцев назад
I actually don't think it's intentional, it's just that dBA has become the standard when they should probably be using dBC for concerts. Honestly, even with most dB limits (either A or C) most concerts are well beyond what is safe and healthy. Earplugs are your friends!!
@vitaliistep
@vitaliistep 5 месяцев назад
@@theproductionacademy that's what I'm saying they just agreed on the standard that is easier to achieve, as dBA works more predictably for various genres I guess, even so it damages the hearing. I even use earplugs in movie theatres nowadays, because it's just uncomfortable when the volume jumps to 100dB at some stinger or explosions.
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