My 1st car was my Dad’s 56 VW Beetle Convertible. Simple, reliable, straightforward, the car eventually got you where you needed to be. Now, almost 50 years later, you give me a compelling reason to get a VW again! Great video as always!
But will it get Tesla-style bad press when people who don’t know what ABRP is get stuck at L2 chargers because of the terrible navigation system? They need to fix it NOW.
@@soundslave that's just a ridiculous comment... Obviously EVs are more expensive than combustion engine cars still but that will change. And learn to calculate the tco total cost of the car. It happens to have free fast charging for three years!
@@keyserxx It probably is, but if you charge AC for hours the rain/dirt could drip down from the connector into the then open DC contacts. If it annoys you, you could cut it off and hide it in the trunk for these occasions.
Nice results! It's definitely a compelling car for a lot of people. And that charging station is going to be the most famous station on the EA network!
My first EV and very happy with it. ID.4 Pro S owner here already did 2 roadtrips in 3 months of ownership love it, spacious, quiet and no issues at all in EA. Great car and will sell a lot
Kyle .. this is awesome 👍 .. my daughter really likes the ID4 we plan to get her the AWD version when it’s available! The charging speeds from 0-80% in 40min is very good .. 10-80% in like 36min 👍 truly nice speeds not eTron quick but very good! however 80-100% +26min still a bit slow but should not make any difference when road tripping since you only need to charge up to 60-70% is most cases anyways .. As for the Mach E .. when on road trips you also don’t need to charge above 70% in most cases as well, so the very poor speeds above 80% right now would not impact overall trip time, still Ford should improve that just incase getting to the next fast charger you need like 90-95% .. but overall 0-60 or 70% is good speeds for both the ID4 and Mach E.. the Audi eTron’s are the best to 80-100% even at 150kW Audi eTron is quicker to 80% than my model 3 on v3 SC .. that’s how amazing the eTron charging curve is over everyone else for now!
BTW if anyone is wondering the Mach E charging curve .. 0 to 80% in like 50min .. and 10 to 80% in 42min .. slower than the ID4 by 6-10min but not too far off .. however OTA update coming to improve the Mach E curve .. still speeds to 80% is ok ..
That's because the battery has huge buffers on each end and the eTron is very inefficient. It also has much less range so that fast charging is still getting less miles per hour of charging than your Tesla. 80% in an eTron is ~150 miles real world vs ~250 miles in a Model 3 LR.
@@inachu nail on the head here. Fords software isn’t what they promised, VWs is absolute garbage (come on, it’ll tell you use use a level 2 on a road trip), and GM just doesn’t care yet. Tesla is the only one with consistent updates and QOL improvements. I’d rather have panel gaps than an EV that has crumby software. Also, why can the Mach-E plug and charge in EA but VW can’t? It’s their network!?! Crazy.
@@jonpetter8921 agree to disagree. VW and Ford need to prove they will keep software current. These new VWs have been in circulation for almost a year now for reviewers and what have they fixed with the software? Absolutely nothing. They can’t even show you the charge rate.
@@JoeyDee86 While Tesla is ahead in software there are other area they trail behind: build quality, affordability and accessibility and those weight more than a software.
Thanks Kyle for the informative review...I just got my ID4 proS last week...and I have the Ioniq5 which I bought in March 2022. Both are 2022 models...in the summer, the Ioniq5 charged like a monster and had a range of 260 miles average, but now in the winter in Delaware, its charging speed as well as range have fallen significantly...based on your data and review here, I expect that the ID4 will do better in the winter... Thanks for all the awesome objective reviews...your reviews encouraged me to go all electric!
That's a nice charge curve. The biggest thing the ID4 misses on is one pedal driving, I wonder if they could implement proper one pedal driving in a software update later on?
I meant post a comment on your road trip vid from FL to CO. That review roadtrip opened discussion in our home getting an EV. Hopefully VW will deliver on their release of the ID Buzz in few years because that is what we are holding out for. Thank you for this indepth 0 to 100% review post. 🙂
Great video. Can you do an in-depth video on the batteries the different manufacturers use? We always hear about Tesla’s 2170, 4680, etc. What is Ford and VW using? Pros and cons. 🙏
After seeing the Mach e charging rates that’s a no go right there. The majority of even the lower end of the battery you won’t be much over half of what tesla or id4 does
Kyle, useful info as always. Suggestion. How about a range test in your Tesla (100% SOC to 0%) at three tire pressures (say 45, 40 and 35 lbs) to see just how tire pressure affect range?
6:00 - That moment you realize Kyle doesn't realize Electrify America is owned by Volkswagen America :-/ Hopefully he knows *WHY* Electrify America even exists
Updating some of what you talked about: The 2022 ID.4 charges at 135 kw now. The E-Mustang no longer limits the charge to 80%. The ID.4 is about to go into production at Chattanooga, TN, moved up from earlier estimates. VW says the ID.4 is the best selling EV is some places in Europe.
@@technocrat4613 I watched a guy here on RU-vid drive is id4 from Florida to Colorado it seems like most of the time from 10% to 50 it went quick about 20 min then it slowed down allot. Over an hour to 97% I believe. Think the channel was called out of spec or something
Hi Kyle! I hope you put more emphasis on electric cars efficiency in reference to its battery size and not to focus so much on time electric car charging speed. This seem a better way determining how electric can go farther per mile in battery size. Charging speed seem like hiding how inefficiencient a electric car is. Every can put a big battery then call it a day. You guys are getting focus so much on EPA rating these days. 1: Effieciency. 2: Battery size. 3: Charging speed.
My fav channel, I cant wait for more road trips with all these cars. I get my Model Y LR tomm, I cant wait to get into the EV world. The starbucks straw in the shot is so on brand also
Great review. You may have answered this question in the past, but why do most all charging stations remain uncovered? Snow and cold wouldn't bother me too much, but if its pouring down and I need to charge, it sure would be nice to be out of the elements. With your reviews, and still waiting for the Ioniq 5, you have helped me pare down to 3 cars. Mach e (if they can get the charging station issues resolved, ID4, and Ioniq 5. I appreciate the time and effort.
Yup, the costs to cover charging stations is just not cost effective for the owners. It's already not that profitable delivering all that fast power at reasonable prices. Gas stations are a different animal. They are combined with shops and when pumping gas you're supposed to stand by the pump therefore needing coverage. Also, the sprinkler system is overhead in case of fire at a gas station. With charging, you either sit in car or go somewhere nearby.
@@Josh-179 Thanks. I didn't know about the sprinkler system. I would think with the growing number of charging stations that this would also lead to more shops too. Maybe something similar to how the gas stations are set up along the autobahn in Germany - restaurant, groceries, etc.
@@jamoss55 , yeah, I think in the coming years when EV's are far more the norm, charging areas will become more elaborate and incorporate more and more conveniences. There just has to be a way for the owners to make the money back.
I’m surprised that standard fueling stations haven’t added EV ‘pumps’ - especially the stations that have lots of snacks and restaurants. - maybe there are some, just haven’t seen any.
Great video however I see many folks have problems with EA charging the Mach E and ID4. I guess I am spoiled with how well the Tesla Supercharging Network works and road tripping is easy and no worries if i will be able to charge. I hope OEMs and EA can get this figured out otherwise this will turn folks off on EVs.
Question: In the US we are not offered a heat pump only a resistance heater. Does it affect the range during winter months? I heard Canada will be offered an actual heat pump which is better than a resistance heater.
OK, just did a full break down of you charging the Mach E to 100% vs you charging the VW ID4 to 100% and I have to say it seems like you are being harsh on the Mach E and giddy with delight about the ID 4. The ID4 reached 80% (0.8 * 77 kWh = 61.6 kWh) in 40 min... the Mach E reached 70% (0.7 * 88 kWh = 61.6 kWh) in 42 min.... You are normally very objective and analytical, but in this case you crap all over the Mustang and glow with pride about the ID4. I get it that above 80% the Mach E is a joke, but below that it is as good as the ID4. I rely on you for spot on analysis when looking to chose my next EV (charging curve is important to me after living for several years with a 2017 Bolt EV) Also, Alex on Auto's seems to get a much higher charging power for much longer on his Mach E, his test was 10% to 80% in warm weather... do you think this difference was due to plugging in a 10%, weather conditions, or both? Love the channel, love your content. :)
I guess it depends where you live and the build out of the charging network for your travel route. I'd want to charge to 90-100 if I am travelling to reduce stoppage time and get to where I am going. Kyle suggests charging halfway and them hoping to the next charger. I dunno about that because you'd be stopping every 1.5 hrs. Makes for a long and tedious trip.
Hey Kyle, Big fan of the channels since the drift mode videos :) Some really great information, looks like roadtripping on this will be a piece of cake. I just have some questions.. Does the iD.4 pre-condition whilst plugged in, or is it always on battery power? Please can you tell me about the home charging / scheduled charging options? I'm keen on getting an iD.3 (assuming it's the same as what you find on the iD.4) and I can leave it on a public 7.2kW charger overnight (the on-street chargers in London allow you to be plugged in for up to 11hrs, but the overnight payment is capped at 4hrs). I'm wondering if there's no mains power pre-conditioning on the iD: Can I set the charge to start at 2am, so it should be nice and warm by 7am? (passive heating?) Can I change that scheduled time on the app as well as in the car? Can I change the max SoC in the app?
I will buy mine ijn 2022. waiting for the AWD...Tesla are nice but they have QC issues and the ride is much better in the VW. Go test drive one and you will see.
That is a great curve. I sure wish ID.3 were coming here. I prefer smaller cars for most things. Drove the Mach E yesterday and was disappointed. It is huge, heavy, and rides like a truck.
I totally see your point - VW USA still pays Electrify America for the contract just as any other Automaker does. But in terms of VW global, it's all from one department to another.
I have the ID4 and love it. When I have all night to charge it at home is it better to select the reduce charge mode on the vehicle my level two says it will charge it in three hours. Or if I reduce it it will take longer but it will be charged before I leave the next morning. Is this saving on the battery or saving electricity or should I just charge it as fast as a level to Can?
I want to see how it recharges, rate wise, in July in Baker, CA on my way from Los Angeles to Las Vegas. Probably a LOT slower. Summer time is when I take most of my longer road trips, not Fall, Winter or Spring time temperatures. Keep it real.
Looks like parking lot owners will have to educate their snow plow contractors to clear snow from EV charging spots....and also be sure not to pile it up making chargers inaccessible.
Hello. You've said the ID4 will keep its battery temperature constant regardless of outside temperature. Does it mean it has battery thermal management system?
Hi Kyle thanks for the work but your comment is highly confusing to me. you claim battery is maintained at 77F=25C. at the same time in the article it is claimed that temperature greatly affects charging power. i am trying to figure out why i am only charging at 40kW at 8C and 35% SOC (ID.4 Pro S) - VWoA says it is all they it should be. bummer - on none of the charging curves is an actual temperature indicated. how would this temperature dependence affect Norwegian people - do they ever get 77F. to me that is very misleading advertisement (ok i am in CA). at 14C outside temperature it takes me like 50min from 30-80%
i see you drove in the snow with it. in one of the bad snow storms this year. how did it do in the snow or could you do an EV review of cars in the snow. i live near that charger and am very curious.
If there were a cost involved as you said @0.31 a Kilowatt hour. What would real world cost be without free charging?? Example I need is you pull into an EA, the three years free is up. Charging quickly from 0 % to 50% (as you recommend, and I agree) would cost how much?
Could you retest the ID.4 with a range test comparing the D and B modes. There seems to be some discussions online that the D mode has better efficiency than the B mode.
Yep, EA is a wholly owned subsidiary of VW. So if VW "paid" for this they would be paying themselves, essentially. Which wouldn't be uncommon: I'm sure there's a payment on the books for accounting purposes but the money isn't leaving the VW family of companies so it's a bit silly to talk about "How much VW had to pay EA" for this ability.
How did you get the battery above 68 deg F for 125KW charging? for 2022, the battery only heats to 46 deg F for low temps. In cold, weather only getting 70 Kw on EA
The precondition is setting the temperature of the battery or cabin. For example, if a Tesla knows you are on route to a charger it preps the temperature of the battery pack for optimum charge rate.
I have one on order (aws pro-s). Since ID4 allows you to free DC charge through Electrify America, I expect a lot of owners to use it exclusively for the first three years. What kind of effect do you think this might have on battery health?
Have owned EVs since 2011. Charging out is a hassle, no way the time cost is worth a few bucks savings a month vs home charging at $0.099 a kw. If its needed for whatever its nice.
Can we top off one car from another? ie. Bidirectional charging, We could not charge our Tesla M3 when the grid failed yesterday. We were stuck 5 miles from home.
I would like to see with the heater on how long it takes. If I was to buy one and tell my family "we will only use the heated seats for the next hour while we charge" there would be a big problem!
You're recommending people drive down to 0% and then charge to 50% road tripping? Did I hear that right? That seems less than optimal for the life of the battery long term.
One common complaint about the ID.4 is that it should start charging as soon as you plug in, automatically the way Teslas do when you charge: Plug in and you're done. Since VW was the one who basically created Electrify America you'd think they would make it as easy as humanly possible for their own cars to charge. I'm sure this will be fixed in the near future.
Why the 100% corresponds to 82 kWh, while the the net battery pack is 77 kWh? VW told me that the so called buffer portion of the battery pack is not usable, nor chargeable I think.
Mach-E takes 27 mins to get to 50% and 49 mins to 80%. ID4 takes 20 mins to 50% and 50 mins to 90%. Mach-E RWD ER 80% rated range = 240mi ID4 First Edition 90% rated range = 225mi
If the ID.4 always runs the battery heater when it’s cold it’s going to be really inefficient in cold climates when doing lots of short trips. Chris noted this about his ID.3 on his Battery Life RU-vid channel. The car spends a lot of energy heating the battery on his hour long commute in the morning; sits all day cooling off and then spends more energy heating the battery again on the way home. Seems like a lot of wasted energy if you’re not going to fast charge.
Speakers are def good. Probably better in the SR+ but not by much. I'm getting rid of my SR+ for the ID4. Go test drive one if you haven't. I'd only go with the Tesla if you want a faster car, but less usable and less range.
