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DCS: F-16C Viper | Visual Initial and Reference Points 

Matt "Wags" Wagner
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DCS: F-16C Viper | Visual Initial and Reference Points
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Hey everyone, Wags here from Eagle dynamics.
In this DCS: F-16C Viper video, we’ll discuss Visual Initial Points, or VIP, and Visual Reference Points, or VRP. As we discussed in a previous video about Offset Aimpoints, each Steerpoint can be assigned two offsets, or OA, points, a VIP, and a VRP. These are all valuable tools for setting up your attack on a known location or an offset location from it based on a bearing, range, and elevation.

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@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
As always, these videos provide a preview of an upcoming feature to assist you in understanding a new feature. Later, it is quite possible that the feature will change, and the feature functionality has changed. As much as I’d like to, I lack the time re-record these videos. You can find a text description here: forum.dcs.world/topic/209147-viper-mini-updates/?do=findComment&comment=4949133
@Hawk-ny8kn
@Hawk-ny8kn 2 года назад
The explanation is crystal clear, thank you ! I was wondering if a more comprehensive explanation about Pop-Up attack would not contribute to make this new feature clearer ^^. This is absolutely not a critic, of course. Just a suggestion to give more context for newbies :).
@TheKythia
@TheKythia 2 года назад
I can totally see this being very useful. Now let me watch it 20-30 more times to understand it. :)
@Buschwick
@Buschwick 2 года назад
It's not. It's a feature that's built in to that system that nobody has ever used. This is ED pioneering something that was easy to code and calling it a truimph.
@ghostdog688
@ghostdog688 2 года назад
I’m not exactly sure how often it would be used nowadays with the advent of TGPs and NVGs, but back when it was going to be night-attacks on radar only, or maybe with a LANTIRN/FLIR pod, it would likely have been more useful then. Low-alt/Pop-up attacks have obvious applications in a high-threat environment, and I believe the idea is that you’d mark with these items a known reference point you can pick out ok the terrain as a marker on your HUD without having a mess of steerpoints and lines on the HSD. In short, it’s a guideline marker to draw on the HUD to say “at this dock, turn to your pop-up point,” then pop up at *this* point here to turn to the target. Essentially, you’d use this in a scenario where you’re not likely to spot these points easily - say, at night - or to try and give someone who’s focused only on the HUD the means to navigate. I’m genuinely not sure how useful it is to pilots nowadays, but it’s an interesting feature. I’d be more likely to use this than OA’s.
@macedk
@macedk 2 года назад
same :)
@sfctw1
@sfctw1 2 года назад
This might be the farthest thing from useful the F16 has to offer, no offense
@TheKythia
@TheKythia 2 года назад
@@sfctw1 Offense taken. There sure are a lot of mentally challenged people here who just don't get the point. Get lost.
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
In this video, I often refer to the Steering Option, officially, this is referred to as the Sighting Option.
@mati372
@mati372 2 года назад
Alright, loving the F-16.
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
@@RogueSpecterGamingOfficial The implementation currently in the game is rather incomplete and incorrect. This video demonstrated the completed version.
@fortinero3361
@fortinero3361 2 года назад
This is a great and quite positive add functionality to the Viper, very appreciated, the module is getting love, thanks for that, this functions are quite suitable for interdiction missions I guess, and VIP looks quite useful for CAS. The FM tweeks also were really very appreciated, Viper slowly is taking his place. Best regards.
@rolds376
@rolds376 2 года назад
Magnetic declination visible in the mission editor, nice!
@kenhelmers2603
@kenhelmers2603 2 года назад
Great to see the "tools" coming online :) Thanks ED and Wags!
@henrikoldcorn
@henrikoldcorn 2 года назад
"You have to hit M-Sel" - thanks Wags, I look forward to wondering why the bloody thing won't work in the future. You've done your best. Looks like the Mark 84AIR high-drag in the first strike, nice.
@alcmann
@alcmann 2 года назад
Excellent, thanks for showcasing this feature. The more advanced planning and Setup features for strike missions are always fun.
@GazAce
@GazAce 2 года назад
Well presented Wags! It's great that what you need to enable in the DED won't be highlighted with a background until you hit your M-SEL, a nice little reminder for you to do that. Very cool. Thanks Wags 👍
@k.suthproductions8611
@k.suthproductions8611 2 года назад
Always loving your content and creations. Keep up this hard work!
@Pricklyhedgehog72
@Pricklyhedgehog72 2 года назад
This reminds me of doing "running fixes" in navigation lessons in 3rd Form Tech' Drawing classes. That being said, this is going to be mighty useful for off-set pop-up attacks where visual cues at high speed are challenging to tune into, especially in threat hazard environments.
@furiz1-1
@furiz1-1 2 года назад
Nice!. I guess VRP range is in Feet cause reference point is some object nearby the target. not miles away.
@anthonysacco5010
@anthonysacco5010 2 года назад
Great quality tutorial. But also an amazing sleep aid!
@groundpoundersimulations8317
@groundpoundersimulations8317 2 года назад
I took a lot from this video, new Viper features look great. But finding out the middle mouse button gives the ruler tool! You never stop learning 🤣.
@Cailean556
@Cailean556 2 года назад
Wags, great video as always. Low and fast doesn't leave a lot of room for error when trying to line up for an attack so this feature is going to be very useful for me (and others, obviously). Given the placement, I'm reasonably certain the C-130s you bombed were statics but is ED going to revise the size of aircraft larger airfields like Bandar Abbas International in the Persian Gulf can support in DCS? Currently, anything larger than an An-26B gets pushed across the water to the UAE when you select a 'Ramp Start' from Bandar Abbas (and Havadarya) which makes having C-130s and larger either start or finish at (without despawning) places like Bandar Abbas, which IRL can support up to 747s, impossible.
@Kid574
@Kid574 Год назад
Although a year late, you can place aircraft as "on ground" instead of "ramp start" and you'll be able to simply place them anywhere you want. You're probably well aware of this feature by now but i figured i'd just leave it here for anyone else who may be wondering.
@thusharikabotheju5655
@thusharikabotheju5655 2 года назад
yay i made a post about this, happy to see it work now!
@eatleadcobra
@eatleadcobra 2 года назад
Great stuff! Are they any plans to add a way to get more precise bearings in the F10 Map? Also quite difficult to use the IP bombing in the M-2000 with only getting whole degrees on the map.
@tomriley5790
@tomriley5790 2 года назад
Just so I understand VIP is setting the position of a target relative to a waypoint, which the autopilot will then take you to? VRP - setting a point relative to a target so you can pull up and attack it manually.
@OzDeaDMeaT
@OzDeaDMeaT 2 года назад
Great Vid Matt.
@TheGw166579
@TheGw166579 2 года назад
Most impressive thing is smoothness at low level flying must be nice having powerful PCs
@Raven-sv4es
@Raven-sv4es 2 года назад
Nice and handy tool's
@nunyabiz6952
@nunyabiz6952 2 года назад
Been meaning to get this module forever. Bet the single piece canopy is awesome in VR.
@NineLineED
@NineLineED 2 года назад
It is... it is... :)
@rokog5308
@rokog5308 2 года назад
@@NineLineED hi 9L
@toddlathrop
@toddlathrop 2 года назад
It really is - almost jarring at first lol. On another note: Since F/A-18 pilots often use the towel bars on the canopy bow to reposition themselves in the seat, I've often wondered how F-16 pilots do the same. Maybe the reclining seat angle means they don't have to as much.
@brunofagulha
@brunofagulha 2 года назад
Love the Persian Gulf map and AFB´s! My number one map for deployment scenario. Thank you for that, keep up!
@RustyRacingUK
@RustyRacingUK 2 года назад
So for a VIP you could set a bulls eye at the steer point you wanted and move the cursor to that location giving you distance and bearing?
@jakubdabrowski3846
@jakubdabrowski3846 2 года назад
Well, I can imagine how VIP works. Initial point is a waypoint over a known location (like town, FARP or bridge), and some commander on the ground can inform you via radio: "Enemy armor spotted, azimuth 242, range 12 miles", so you have data to create VIP. But what's the point of VRP when you know exact location of the target?
@dmsdmullins
@dmsdmullins 2 года назад
This is for pre-planned strikes. Its not likely you could program this on the fly with much success.
@nd1312
@nd1312 2 года назад
@@dmsdmullins but then you could just as well use another steerpoint instead of the VRP or am I missing something?
@dmsdmullins
@dmsdmullins 2 года назад
@@nd1312 Yeah you absolutely could. It requires a lot of situational knowledge though. VIP and VRP are quite advanced functions. If I can't set them up on the ramp, I'm pretty much just gonna wing it anyway and not waist time on it.
@topgun5054
@topgun5054 2 года назад
@@nd1312 I was wondering the same thing.
@YYCH2
@YYCH2 2 года назад
Hey Wags, does it work in VIS and PRE mode of Marvicks? And how to input negative number for negative elevation difference?
@2xKTfc
@2xKTfc 2 года назад
Does the A-10C have a similar feature (not modeled) or is the offset waypoint the best the real jet can do?
@LowBombBurst
@LowBombBurst 2 года назад
This is cool. Nice to see it more fleshed out. It's useful as it is in game for strike missions, this will make it better. One question -- Why do you need to TMS up over the IP when doing VIP? Is that an INS update? What happens if you don't TMS up over the IP?
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
It would not cycle to the TGT Sighting Option.
@LowBombBurst
@LowBombBurst 2 года назад
@@MattWagner oh, interesting. It's going to be cool to have something else to keep in the cross check. Thanks for your videos. We know it's a lot of work, but always helpful. I like how you guys show us how to use the tools, and leave it up to us to develop the tactics for them. It's a fun way to enjoy the sim. Cheers.
@iamthewankerpants
@iamthewankerpants 2 года назад
Are there plans to add the ability to add steer, and target points to the dtc in mission? I hardly ever do single player missions or anything, just play on servers and there are obviously no steerpoints when I play. I would like to have this functionality. Being able to set up my DTC globally or on the ground would be helpful.
@MitjaBonca
@MitjaBonca Месяц назад
Range for the VIP or VRP should be changable to different types of distances (ft, km and nm).
@danielmanfroi4797
@danielmanfroi4797 2 года назад
I watch now!
@geshabuL_
@geshabuL_ 2 года назад
It's awesome that the Viper keeps getting more and more options, but can anyone come up with a scenario where using such points would be more useful than just creating a new waypoint over the target? Are those VIPs and VRPs supposed to be made with the intention of striking an already known position or is it used to mark targets of opportunity? What's the main idea behind those points? Any help would be appreciated!
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
As mentioned in the video, setting offsets for pops and marking offset references like friendly forces.
@stang46l
@stang46l Год назад
I wish I could see my route on the F10 map. Then I could apply this a lot more.
@KevinS47
@KevinS47 2 года назад
That's it I'm sending a complaint to Lockheed Martin xD
@doverdown8718
@doverdown8718 2 года назад
Great! I really appreciate all the updates for the Viper. Is there any plans to implement a MDC? It would become more and more useful with every update regarding preplanning those points.
@afterburner3584
@afterburner3584 2 года назад
Thanks
@rokon5003
@rokon5003 2 года назад
I just used that a few seconds ago for CCRP lol
@ImperatorTheodosius
@ImperatorTheodosius 2 года назад
I see that release angle option...
@SimRacingPakistan
@SimRacingPakistan 2 года назад
hmmm... love to see a tutorial about this in a dynamic multiplayer environment where there is no waypoints at all and what best practices steps should be done to apply this same procedures?
@Tomas-yg1xz
@Tomas-yg1xz 2 года назад
You can create your own waypoints for a pre-planned mission by taking coordinates from the F10 map. Preferably using grid values.
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
Correct, and we'll soon be adding the DEST page to make this even easier.
@markjh2005
@markjh2005 2 года назад
Hi Wags, I really enjoy and appreciate all the work ED does on the Viper and I almost exclusively fly it. Without sounding ungrateful, is there any plans to intergrate TACAN with the autopilot and (on a much lesser note) the highlighting of VHF/UHF when the appropriate PTT is pressed?
@LowBombBurst
@LowBombBurst 2 года назад
If you have mapped your DCS VOIP keys to your PTT buttons, the VHF/UHF does light up when you are in multiplayer. It's super nice.
@markjh2005
@markjh2005 2 года назад
@@LowBombBurst Oh wow, thats how it works! It had been bugging me for ages. Thank you:)
@affirmbird1237
@affirmbird1237 2 года назад
Are you going to add IP PUP indicator/locator for JHMCS in the future?
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
That would not be accurate based on available data.
@mystic_j2188
@mystic_j2188 2 года назад
Whatever updates the f16 avionics is welcomed, but in real life, none viper driver uses these VIP and VRP features.
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
I know that several do, best to avoid such blanket statements, please.
@mystic_j2188
@mystic_j2188 2 года назад
Ok
@Obi1-KenBone-Me
@Obi1-KenBone-Me 2 года назад
Why arent the vip and vrp icons depicted on the hsi?
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
That would not be accurate. HSI only displays steering based on the Sight Option selection.
@rajm1976
@rajm1976 2 года назад
F16 quickly becoming my favourite jet
@Rick1penguin
@Rick1penguin 2 года назад
was that a hercules module teaser??? hmm....
@Chris-ly8wt
@Chris-ly8wt 2 года назад
Sounds exactly like one of the in game voices.
@jordibravo5298
@jordibravo5298 2 года назад
he is an ED developer, so yes he voiced many of the F16 training missions for example
@branislavrakic7199
@branislavrakic7199 2 года назад
HUD mnemonics should be VIPCRP or VRPCRP, not just CCRP.
@lankypilot778
@lankypilot778 2 года назад
Whoa, has that middle mouse ruler always been option?! So many yrs of my life wasted
@richjones859
@richjones859 2 года назад
You and me both lol
@alaric3415
@alaric3415 2 года назад
Yes, it has been.
@eggroll9903
@eggroll9903 2 года назад
Now where’s Vulcan I want to run dcs max graphics vr on a gt 1030
@gundamator4709
@gundamator4709 2 года назад
Is that a new addition to Persian gulf?
@henrikoldcorn
@henrikoldcorn 2 года назад
First Lavan island, then Bandar Abbas, they've always been there. On the coast of Iran.
@BasictoFinal
@BasictoFinal 2 года назад
Cruise Page! I am tired of referencing performance charts! 😉
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
forum.dcs.world/topic/206282-subject-to-change-desired-f-16c-systems-and-payloads/#comment-4900861
@epoch71
@epoch71 2 года назад
0:41 password protected slots?
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
Yes, for later.
@macedk
@macedk 2 года назад
What was the easter egg ? Don't tell me there was none ? :)
@teeter477
@teeter477 2 года назад
o7
@MrGs500f
@MrGs500f 2 года назад
Mk84 hd?
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
forum.dcs.world/topic/206282-subject-to-change-desired-f-16c-systems-and-payloads/#comment-4949159
@IceyJones
@IceyJones 2 года назад
that VRP is in feet, must be just to troll metrics guys, right? damn muricans..... XD
@willm.n2178
@willm.n2178 2 года назад
I appreciate the update but I will literally never use this. Are there any big plans to improve AI or VR performance?
@MattWagner
@MattWagner 2 года назад
Yes
@taip4n
@taip4n 2 года назад
Poorly worded question lol
@willm.n2178
@willm.n2178 2 года назад
@@taip4n Not really dude, I was being rhetorical. I know they don't have any plans to fix AI or VR performance.
@ARTIK_29
@ARTIK_29 2 года назад
dynamic mission...... hmmmm
@BASIOR115
@BASIOR115 2 года назад
HORNET👍👍👍
@NineLineED
@NineLineED 2 года назад
Your aircraft recognition skills need work :P
@BASIOR115
@BASIOR115 2 года назад
@@NineLineED noooooo only wrote that Hornet is cool. I know it's the F-16
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