DDR5 pricing is starting to make sense. At least if you like high end DDR4.

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@Navhkrin 2 года назад

I bought a 6000CL40 kit when DDR5 first came out and XMP straight up didnt work. I gave up and were running the memory at 4800 until random bios update completely fixed stability issues and now it works with XMP no problems

@QuantumConundrum 2 года назад

Very much like my ryzen gen 1 experience. Glad I waited, looking forward to hop on ddr5 soon.

@Multimeter1 2 года назад

Is it Samsung? I have the 6000 CL36 Gskill Samsung based kit and it failed to boot on MSI carbon and Asus Strix E on latest firmware’s

@Navhkrin 2 года назад

@@Multimeter1 Yeah, mine was Samsung GSKILL aswell on MSI Unify X.

@Multimeter1 2 года назад

@@Navhkrin I tried asking MSI management from help and all they did was offer an RMA, I wanted a new bios or a refund, all he said the RMA could fix it. (Same problem) I decided to RMA my sticks to GSKILL and if it does not work, I will ask for a refund.

@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX 2 года назад

@@QuantumConundrum and Gen 1 Ryzen was actually decent, i got ddr4 only early stage since i got an X99 and Ryzen was still a rumor that "could" beat intel, even today its not nice at all to use even a regular high speed kit on that platform, but at least now i can get ECC ddr4 for very cheap :D

@winebartender6653 2 года назад

Ddr5 pricing was somewhat sane at launch (Teamgroup 6200/6400 were actually $379 and $399 as an example), but then you had a partial shortage plus scalpers expecting to make a return on it. This let stores just jack up the price. Hilariously enough, there had to have been a lot of scalpers that got burned pretty hard as they were buying it up at that $500+ price point.

@christopherjackson2157 2 года назад

I wonder what will happen to pricing when there are more platforms around that support ddr5. It still makes most sense in the server market cause software licensing costs make saving a few thousand dollars on hardware irrelevant. But I don't see any server boards that support it available to buy anywhere.

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

Pricing is a question of margin. Vendors stockpiled GPUs lately in the inventory to make the same margins they got during the last 2 years, but is coming down fast since the first mover lowering the price will sell while competitor vendors still sit on the stockpile and it gets harder to sell. Same is true for the rest of PC components, not that exaggerated like GPUs since miner cards block second hand market but yeah DDR has no longer supply difficulties, prices are just that high, because vendors don't wanna drop it. However the landslide is moving with GPUs and the rest will follow. Still there is the elefant of inflation in the room.

@jayr8282 2 года назад

When DDR5 gets to 8000hz CL30 and it's reasonably priced I'll start using it. I'm running 4000mhz cl15 and my latency is 43ns on DDR4. We are not bandwidth limited on 67 GBs in gaming. Second these tests don't use over clocked DDR4 against over clocked DDR5. 3200mhz cl 15 DDR4 is a joke.

@progste 2 года назад

I'm sure it will fall just like it happened for ddr4.

@konga382 2 года назад

PCPartPicker doesn't even tell the whole story with DDR5. There's been a lot of combo deals and special discounts lately that PCPP won't pick up on. I know Gigabyte boards aren't great for overclocking, but they had their low-end Z690 Gaming X board together with 32GB of Aorus-branded DDR5-5200 if I recall correctly for $300. In terms of price to performance, that's not bad, is it? Especially if you can do a quick and dirty overclock of it to 5400 or so (which I saw some reviews saying you could)

@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 2 года назад

5400 should be doable on all DDR5 kits and boards

@-PVL93- 2 года назад

only buildzoid would create a 30-minute video to roast the fuck out of someone in the comments section from another past upload while also delivering technical information on subject backed up by actual data and not through random speculation, bias, or a veiled product ad. God bless.

@QuantumConundrum 2 года назад

I hope I can feature in a buildzoid video someday. I gotta start saying more stupid things.

@__aceofspades 2 года назад

DDR5 pricing is still too high for entry and mid-range builds. AMD is going to struggle to convincing people to buy AM5, with its mandatory DDR5, when LGA1700 (12th and 13th gen) will support DDR4 and DDR5 and have similar or better performance, with a cheaper total build cost.

@Fulmir- 2 года назад

Maybe, but DDR5 prices are dropping fast, and we've still got months to go before AM5 drops. Plus new process node means AMD doesn't have to stop making AM4 cpus and can hit the budget market for a year or two on 5000 series CPUs while DDR5 prices drop.

@benjaminoechsli1941 2 года назад

@@paul.1337 Motherboard makers are getting ready as we speak using engineering samples. It may be unusual for them to share that BIOS with consumers this early, but we need it _some_ time before the CPUs launch.

@miladesn 2 года назад

Zen3 is going to remain on the market for some time and its more than enough for entry level. Enthusiasts wont care about price if its good.

@sunnohh 2 года назад

Give it like a month two max, prices already are getting cheap

@siphi7583 2 года назад

I got a 5600mhz 2x8 Fury Beast DDR5 for 100$ AMD will be fine.

@ClockWorkJake 2 года назад

I've got a question for you man.... I dig your content, of course, but frankly, I haven't put ANY of what I've learned to use (outside of shopping for kits I can't afford yet)... Mainly because I am still sitting with the same damn corsair (2x16)32GB 3600 cl 18 kit (ddr4...ofc) I had when I discovered your channel. Any chance ya might spend some time doing a video on what one could do with a normal - shit memory kit like mine? (i'm running a MSI Z590Ace gold edition mobo atm) of all your videos, it might be the one that garners the most views (at least by yours truly) Cheers

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

Any money spend on DDR4 with better timing is a side grade, that will mostly give you if anything a couple % benefit in games. A 3600 kit isn't shit. A 2666 Kit is. People would give an arm and a leg for 3200MHz+ and reasonable timing s at the start of DDR4 and 3200 for AMD Zen was fine, since the infinity fabric at start was no where near it is with Zen3. Sure 3800 CL18 isn't CL14, but not everybody needs b-die. Use AIDA and lynpack to try get some more frequency with looser timings (and tighten them down on the new clockspeed) or if the kit doesn't wanna run higher clocks, tie up the timings. The focus here is hardcore overclocking, for the daily use case it has some relevance, but it still is something that you only will do for hobby. Tighten timings and check for stability is a time investment, that is, if you don't have the enthusiasm for overclocking, more tedious than over all beneficial.

@ClockWorkJake 2 года назад

@@Airwave2k2 It sure seems like the kit to have, if you're rockin somethin' in the 3k range, is a 3200 cl14 kit though. That kit is generally MORE expensive than kits in the 4400-4800 range, but right now, you can find 2x8 5333 kits for as much as I spent on this corsair 3600 kit. (teamgroup 5033 2x8 kits are only $170) I'm about to swing on a G royal 5066 kit (only flippin $220 ffs) - they start gettin' spendy @ 5333 - but still WAY less than seems normal. I'm amazed at how the bottom dropped out of the RAM market price-wise..... & apparently there's room to fall from all I am reading. Imonna ride a screamer kit of 16mb for my gamer & find something in the 4k range for a workstation with two 2x16 kits.... & see how that goes..... Feels like it might be a crapshoot, but I'm anxious to find out. I'm just waiting on the new MSI b6660M to come out with the BLCK internal clock gen to overclock the non k 12th gen cpu & run it as my gamer.... & use the z590/11700 setup for a workstation setup with 64gb of ddr4. Cheers man

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

@@ClockWorkJake Buying new ram from a vendor is still a pricey investment for the performance gain you might have. You also roll on compatibility issues with the given mainboard you have. If anything you might wanna avoid to buy new ram with a markup for higher clockspeed selection. Look at the used market. The prices are what the modules are worth to you (i guess 75 to 80% of today price when bought at vendor, and maybe less if you have a good shot on something that you bid on without much competitor bidders). Most RAM has a live long guarantee, so you have the same return option as if you bought it at a vendor. With used RAM you more or less know it works, since someone else used it. Still the question is does it work with your setup. It still is DDR4. It is EOL, depending on how long you stay on the 11th gen Intel CPU you might facilitate the performance gain. But if you will upgrade in a year or so, the investment now in old RAM, especially bought from a vendor seems very unreasonable to me. If you stay longer on the platform you might also wanna go to 32GB (2x16). Then a upgrade makes sense since you go for more capacity on 2x Setup vs a 4x8.

@LatinLegacyNY 2 года назад

DDR5 6600/CL32 kits is what I am mostly looking at for the moment. I will not be building my new system until the end of the year however. Possibly early next year since the build is being targeted specifically for Starfield so I am waiting to see which GPU family the game is going to be optimized for. Hoping to see faster DDR5 kits start to hit the market with tighter timings by the time I am ready to do the new build.

@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 2 года назад

just get a 6200 C36 and overclock it. Seriously XMP performs like trash because the subtimings are trash. The primaries on DDR5 are more for aesthetics than performance.

@LatinLegacyNY 2 года назад

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Not going to make a purchase yet. Waiting to see how things are looking when better kits & the newer AMD Zen 4/Intel Raptor Lake chipsets hit the market. I am expecting things to change by that point.

@willis936 2 года назад

Also, I'd love to hear talk about DDR5 ECC availability for consumer kits, especially ones with good overclocking headroom.

@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 2 года назад

Z690 doesn't support ECC AFAIK.

@willis936 2 года назад

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I haven't heard of any positive confirmation of Z690 ECC, but I anticipate AM5 chipsets will follow AM4's tradition and allow ECC. Also, L1 mentioned that "some alder lake chipsets may allow DDR5 ECC" in the last 30 seconds of a video a few months ago, but idk what came of that. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7Gk3usvqglQ.html

@MrKentaroMotoPI 2 года назад

ECC with "consumer" is an oxymoron. ECC is a feel-good for IT management. Actual memory failures are almost never correctable with ECC. Google has conducted extensive tests and does not use ECC in their servers. It's just slow and expensive.

@willis936 2 года назад

@@MrKentaroMotoPI That's bullshit and will continue to be even more bullshit as process nodes continue to shrink and clock rates continue to increase. Read a textbook.

@MrKentaroMotoPI 2 года назад

@@willis936 Just as I thought. Posting something stupid about ECC - you have no experience. You read books. I've been building HPC systems for 25 years. Your move.

@Strozerg 2 года назад

Nice video, just like always. I've noticed in another video you mentioned that DDR5 can potentially degrade from higher voltages, is it more fragile than DDR4? DDR5 is built on a thinner node right? Something like 14nm+ while DDR4 is 18-19nm?

@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 2 года назад

we already have some DDR4 ICs that degrade above 1.45V. CJR aparently does. I've not broken any RAM sticks with voltage yet but I did get warned about letting DDR5 get too hot(as in more than 60C).

@angelg3986 2 года назад

Strange - I've read that silicon ICs can withstand temperatures of +120C at core.

@taiiat0 2 года назад

@@angelg3986 just because a chunk of Sand won't instantaneously die at __ , doesn't make it actually healthy for it.

@cracklingice 2 года назад

I still wouldn't recommend DDR5 for anything short of a 2 grand config because the value just isn't there. Pretty sure that's what he's talking about.

@progste 2 года назад

Even on a 2 grand config it doesn't make much sense with the current platforms, you can just get the absolute best DDR4 you can find instead.

@Si7encer_ 2 года назад

Under a 2k configuration you shouldn’t be considering DDR5 because you’ll be on a low end 12th gen card when you can get better out of other products

@cracklingice 2 года назад

@@progste There are some applications where even mediocre DDR5 wins over DDR4 and the best DDR5 wins over DDR4 in pretty much everything. Although I probably should have said 2 grand without the GPU. I mean if you're the kind of person to spend $400 on 32GB of memory, you're also the kind of person to get a $500 mobo and $600 i9 CPU. That's the 2 grand already.

@davekelloway3337 2 года назад

Buildzoid, you're the man when it comes to actual education. I love LTT and JaysTwoCents for entertainment, and Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed for depth. But, when it comes to understanding the how's and whys no one is on your level. When you doing the Kingpin 3090 Ti and z690 breakdowns? I have both and need to learn about them. Keep up the awesome work.

@generalgrevous1984 2 года назад

Thanks for the info Buildzoid. Any idea when you'll take a look at the new AM5 motherboards?

@Ben-ld1qi 2 года назад

Hi Bz! I got a simple question that perhaps you'd know the answer to. Any idea how come when I set all the _dd tertiary timings to 1, then HCI drops the speed from 1400MB/s per thread to 800MB/s. This is on 12700k with e-cores disabled. Thanks!

@zazabean23 2 года назад

Those games that showed worse performance aka competitive games that are 1080p had worse performance due to latency bottlenecks. Which the gaming demographic is actually quite large and it would have relevance to show a high end ddr4 vs a high end ddr5 kit. A 3600 cl14 kit isn’t the best kit or even Ram OC for ddr4. Sure ddr5 has better bandwidth but there’s a clear drawback when you optimize dram for bandwidth instead of latency. I mean just look at how much cache they’re adding on cpus now. Hmmm why would multi billion dollar companies invest into three layers of cache? The answer is DRAM latency. The cpu has plenty of memory latency tolerance techniques to help deal with the bottleneck. It’s important to note that ddr5 clearly has many use cases and I’m not hating on it.

@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 2 года назад

I think that DDR5's auto timings are pretty much the only reason it doesn't always beat DDR4. Igorslab tests tight DDR5 vs tight DDR4 and tight DDR5 ends up winning even in CSGO. If memory lantency was as important as people think it is 12th gen would lose to 10th gen in e-sports games because 10th gen has a way lower latency memory system.

@zazabean23 2 года назад

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 12th gen can out perform 10th gen in esport titles due to cache increases which is directly a memory latency tolerance technique (its great actually). I personally chose 10th gen because of memory latency and just familiarity of it. Memory latency scales exponentially the lower you go with certain workloads due to cache misses. If the world was perfect and the cache was perfect and game devs were we wouldn’t need to care that much. But unfortunately for my workload memory latency seems to scale very very well and has a relatively significant reduction in system latency. Most people aren’t and can’t measure their memory latency properly for their workloads. To be fair it’s incredibly difficult to synthesize a fortnite benchmark correctly due to the complexity of that game. I will clarify that there’s no one answer and I don’t think measuring average fps on any system that isn’t displaying every single setting in the bios os and more including temps is capable of getting a 1fps or less stdev. We’re talking about dram here which as we both know is highly complex and to measure a difference of a 1 fps between the different motherboards with two different generations of dram is 100% inaccurate and not even close to being scientific. Even if I’m wrong (which is fine) the tests that people conduct aren’t scientific in any way and if anything are for mass appeal. I would like to see system latency benchmarked under workloads that mirror games randomness like fortnite, apex legends and more. Half of those fps benchmarks probably have windows security on with god knows what bloatware. I will add that I said can out perform, I wouldnt be 100% confident saying my 10th gen system couldn’t out perform a 12th gen system on average.

@fVNzO 2 года назад

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking People think it is pretty important because it has inarguably been very important for the last socket generation (mostly am4 but also intel). But you are alluding to there being much more pressing issues, could you elaborate on those? afaik 12th gen also has way higher ipc on the P cores so it's not exactly clear to me why latency wouldn't still be a large factor. It's reasonable to assume that the latency drawbacks of intels big boy P cores could have been circumvented by *for instance* ipc (to give an example. Long story short im asking you about your thoughts on "If memory lantency was as important as people think it is" and if you could elaborate here.

@zazabean23 2 года назад

@@fVNzO I think my comment does your question justice if you haven't read it above. Most people I know disable E-cores on 12th gen. If you want to know if memory latency is important find out roughly how many reads and write per second are happening when you're gaming and multiply that by your dram latency per second. To sum this up the closer you can play to real time the better you will perform assuming this is all in the context of competitive gaming. The importance of memory latency is the users choice, does your workload scale with memory latency reduction? If it does then yes it's important. If not then no. So let's say there's 2 million reads & reads per second & your DRAM latency was something like 40ns. 2,000,000 x 40 nanoseconds is = to 80ms per second of latency.

@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 2 года назад

@@fVNzO A workload that is primarily RAM latency limited won't benefit from higher IPC because you can't run any instructions while waiting for data to arrive from the RAM. The best examples of this would be benchmarks like SuperPi 32M(where 11th gen only lost to 12th gen once people found 12th gen chips capable of 7.5GHz core) and PyPrime 2B which is still dominated by 11th gen with DDR4(because 11th gen has a faster IMC and ring). Also any time you improve RAM latency random access bandwidth goes up with it. So things that seem latency limited could very easily be scaling from the extra random bandwidth. Most RAM bandwidth benchmarks test "sequential" bandwidth(which barely changes as you improve your RAM timings). Also if games were so latency limited dual rank DDR4 would lose to single rank DDR4 because SR has slightly less latency than DR. However DR has way more random bandwidth than SR does and so DR wins all the gaming benchmarks. I think DDR5 on auto timings kinda pushes the lantency and bandwidth balance way too far in one direction(like workloads that on DDR4 are bandwidth limited are now latency limited with DDR5).

@Trexzo_ 2 года назад

3600 DDR4 is a LOT cheaper than a 6000 DDR5 kit for 2% worse performance (in 720p…). In other words, why spend a LOT more for a negligible difference? Furthermore for DDR4 you can still get away with a 16GB config without taking performance losses. Historically it has taken two to three CPU generations for next DDR gen to be justifiable.

@alpzepta 2 года назад

If you going to use AMD Zen 4 processor you have no choice but to use DDR5 but by then I hope the DDR5 price go down when the Zen 4 come out

@jonahhekmatyar 2 года назад

@@alpzepta and hopefully the new processors that are specifically made with ddr5 in mind have better performance.

@cutcorners6005 2 года назад

I have seen several different kits of that Kingston DDR5 5600 16x2 kits so far and ALL of them are SK Hynix. I am fairly sure if you are buying in NA, they are going to be 100% SK Hynix. Maybe there are Samsung variants in other markets, I can't say. Probably the cheapest way to get a Hynix dimm. I have managed 6200c36 on these. It's a lot better than paying $100 extra for a XMP kit that performs same really. Probably can do better but I want to keep the voltage in check. Hopefully they work well with Zen4 too.

@LA-MJ 2 года назад

What about 2x32GB? What's the price/speed to look at to beat ddr4 corsair vengeance 3600 cl18?

@michalislazaratos6928 Год назад

What about 64GB DDR5? Are 4x16 equivalent to 2x32GB sticks?

@gsydaz 2 года назад

Picked up a Corsair LPX 2x16Gb 36-36-36-76 6000 DDR5 kit a couple of weeks a go as I thought the price was 'reasonable'. Will use the kit for a planned 7950X build later on this year / Q1.

@hyperstimmed 2 года назад

please do an updated video about daisy-chained PCI-E power cables and how it being an issue ties into the PCB design of Ampere/RDNA2 cards. I tried sending you a PM via reddit about issues with an MSI 6800XT to no avail, after trial and error myself it turns out it was the power cable config (and possibly also my HX1200i being set to multi-rail by default).. transients, maybe? Although the issue was at idle or low load also the "maybe they're paid off, let's check this one" was hilarious

@Wasmachineman 2 года назад

BZ roasting a viewer? Let's fucking do this. Let's also not delete my fucking comments YT.

@ThunderingRoar 2 года назад

yt loves deleting comments if you say a slightly naughty word but they sure keep all the "its finally here + scam link" bots

@Wasmachineman 2 года назад

@@ThunderingRoar Even legit links like ones to hwbot get deleted.

@zaniuxz 2 года назад

What about this Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB KIT (2x8GB) 4400MHz CL19-19-19-39 ?

@ObviousCough 2 года назад

in my gaming benchmarks 6800CL30 DDR5 gets more fps at 720p than 4200CL14 for DDR4. same cpu, gpu, os, everything's the same except the ram being used.

@ObviousCough 2 года назад

Also, in my AMD testing; max speed you can get tuned in Gear 2 will give you more fps in Vulkan based games than 3800CL14 in Gear1. You'll lose ~5% performance in DirectX games though.

@josephkelly4893 2 года назад

I'm upgrading from 1333 ddr3 on a x79 xeon to 4800 ddr5. Skipped a generation, can't wait for my kit to arrive

@sunefred 2 года назад

What is the situation for 2x32GB kits, is SK Hynix still on top of the hill?

@willis936 2 года назад

DDR5 first-word latencies are still high. The 5800X3D crushed performance in games where memory latency is an issue (for workloads that fit in L3, which is most at 90+ MB). I'm really hoping Zen 4 launches with 3D cache options this Fall to mask the effects of higher DRAM latencies.

@ThunderingRoar 2 года назад

they showed both zen4 and zen5 with Vcache on roadmaps but Vcache zen4 probably wont launch before ~Q2 2023

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

AMD isn't dumb, they will cash in with Zen4 non 3D first, and give the market a second round with one or two 3D optional to make the ones who can't resist to spend double. I don't think they will have 3Ds at launch, it just doesn't make sense, especially now that they have shown the market / potential buyers with the 5800X that these CPUs are very good in the gaming environment they can be certain that the new round of 3Ds for Zent4 will sell even better, because everybody expects them to be even better than the Zen4s without. So yeah charge the customers twice I guess is from a cash flow perspective the way to go.

@willis936 2 года назад

@@Airwave2k2 Nothing I said suggests AMD is dumb. AMD's strategic decisions are based on the market: what the demand is for given workloads, what it costs to supply parts that are more performant for those workloads, and what the competition is doing. The shape of Raptor Lake heavily influences when AMD will release Zen 4 with 3D cache.

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

@@willis936 It wasn't my intention to put you the word in the mouth that AMD was dumb. Yes Raptor Lakes performance profile in different price brackets will determine if AMD needs to counter it. But they mostly will do this by adjusting prices. Or better to say the buyers will chose to buy for certain prices, with a given performance of both companies products. The 3D project for Zen3 was a side project, it was not meant to be the way forward, but as a lookout if it works and how customers will react. There "was" no planed roadmap forward that is Zen4 3D. They only just realized with Zen3D, that this a pretty good way to make the product stack even more competitive. And with that since the planning phase engineering sample checks etc. take such a long time scale, there is no plan for Zen4 3D that ran parallel with Zen4 as it did to Zen3 I would guess (or better to say the engineers involved in the Zen3D were bound to the project while Zen4 was already on track, only with completion of Zen33D they were free to redesign what is needed to make Zen4 into Zen4 3D, and that might take time). AMD will sure try to fasten up the process to get Zen4 3D to market after seeing that it was so well praised in Zen3. Setting the 3D on track however has had to be done earlier to be lined up with the launch of Zen4, but wasn't anticipated 2 years ago.

@kajurn791 2 года назад

Rather AMD might have no choice on whether they release non 3D skus for high end or not. Considering 99% of buyers won't manually OC and just set XMP on bios, the added latency from DDR5 with subpar timings will hurt their chiplet design a lot more than it hurt Intel ADL. I fully expect the new R9 will need to have 3D cache or top tier well tuned DDR5 in order to stand up to Intel in gaming like was the case before Zen 3.

@sneibarg 2 года назад

I paid $600 for a 64GB kit of 5.2GHz DDR5 memory. It's definitely faster. My PC does things instantaneously. Also, in CSGO, FPS is largely CPU-driven.

@LastSecBloomer 2 года назад

"Beats DDR4"...yeah, by couple of percent/fps, which aren't going to notice. And you'll pay noticeably more. No, thanks. It's still early... I'd still take DDR4 for upcoming generation of CPUs (Raptor Lake) and by the time for the next upgrade, DDR5 situation will be much different and DDR4 will be completely obsolete...

@QuantumConundrum 2 года назад

Why not just get a pretty niceDDR5 kit and use it in future builds since DDR4 will be obsolete really soon. If you paid 220$ today, that kit could probably be used in 2 builds, maybe even 3? The future re-use offsets the current price premium for something you'd buy sooner or later anyways. You could probably run that DDR5 kit for 8+ years.

@CaptainKenway 2 года назад

@@QuantumConundrum Because there will likely be much better DDR5 kits on the market in a couple of years for the same money or less. Early DDR4 was (is) garbage and speeds and timings have improved a lot since then. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be using a kit of DDR4 2666 bought alongside an X99 setup in 2014 today. Give it a year or two and the DDR5 equivalent of B-Die or Rev E will probably exist and have been identified, and will likely cost you about the same as these early kits will today. There's simply zero compelling reason to "upgrade" to DDR5 yet for 95% of desktop users who just want to do things like play games. If you have a productivity workload that benefits from it, sure, go nuts.

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

@@CaptainKenway THis This This. no single digit performance gains in games will outdo double digit jumping up a tier in GPU for $50 to $100 price gap. If you don't have tasks to do that hunger for the value of bandwith of DDR5 there are more points to pivot.

@bakebook 2 года назад

Isn’t ddr4 3600 14 latency half of ddr5 6000 36? How is ddr5 faster I don’t get it

@TheExard3k 2 года назад

how much bandwidth can I expect from 128 GB DDR5 with today's memory? I heard getting it to run even at 4800 MT/s is quite the challenge. I don't care about gaming but I need bandwidth and capacity

@N1CKSO 2 года назад

DDR5 pricing is going to make or break early AM5 IMO

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

same is true for the current intel plattform. So nah it doesn't make or break AM5. Price to performance is the make or break compared to upcoming intel.

@N1CKSO 2 года назад

@@Airwave2k2 you can still build an affordable D4 alder lake system, no such option for AM5

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

@@N1CKSO I can also built an affordable D4 Zen3 system, which I did recently with second hand parts and the price performance is through the roof. People are unreasonable - their lose my win, when they sell the new stuff to get even newer shit, and I can benefit from this stupidity! Only because it is new an shiny it does not mean it holds value! Anything that isn't the literal top end of the newest generation can not compete with the older gens even if DDR5 is thrown into the mix. I laugh at anybody getting DDR5 and pair it up with a midrange CPU, paying premium for getting only equal or even less performance a bigger CPU will put out overtaking the midrange to a reasonable price. DDR5 is nice and has its benefits for some use case, but they are mostly in the ball park where time is money and you throw said money at the problem to make things go faster, because it makes you even more money. So if you are not after the small improvements, but a reasonable upgrade with a good junk worth the price you have to pay for it, you will w8 it out. And DDR5 has the least influence on the "if there is a reasonable performance improvement compared to the money spend then I consider buying into a new platform for my hobby"!

@__aceofspades 2 года назад

@@Airwave2k2 Intel 12th and 13th gen support DDR4 and DDR5. AM5 is DDR5 only. AMD is going to lose all its budget and midrange build buyers this generation.

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

@@__aceofspades DDR4 is EOL prices will go up. DDR5 is stacking up in the inventories of vendors. There will come the point the vendors have to sell them for lower prices or they won't get it of shelf before their competitors and they will make loss on it. This drop may occur until or before AM5 even hit. But beside that If AM5 8 core chiplet has the performance it is less die size and lower price than monolithic raptorlake. Sure you get a tonnage of efficiency cores with the intel cpu, but they don't do much for gaming as a usecase for what are most midrange cpus are sold. Disabling cores for lower core count CPUlines does raptorlakes cost per die hurt even more than for the chiplets of AMD. Prices have quite some flow, that sure can compensate. The problem of zen1 to 3 was infinity fabric holding back the full utilization of higher clocks of DDR4 beyond 3800MHz for the average Zen3architecture CPU (this is quite some space of performance that laid bare compared to intel plattform that for DDR4 could use the full clockspeed of ram and translate it easier into bandwith - bdie with exceptional timings helps to get away of the problem since the clockspeed of the ram takes what the memory controller can handle and you adjust per timings, but it is a work around for raw clockspeed). With the new generation of Zen 4 they may have "fixed" this little bottleneck for DDR5 and no constraint from the infinity fabric bottlenecks any longer. We just don't know enough about the actual performance. And as i said that will have impact of the prices. So Yes DDR5 is costlier, but depending from what you are upgrading it may be worth to you.

@Dinscurge 2 года назад

@ 15:57 those kingston value ram 96gb 12x8gb sticks for 109.65 though lol

@marsovac 2 года назад

Depends on how you compare. If you don't want to overclock you need to compare the "up to" specifications for the CPU. Alderlake supports up to DDR4 3200 or DDR5 4800. I would suggest skipping the latter because it will indeed often perform worse that most mainstream DDR4 3200. So yes, DDR5 is technically superior, but if you overclock - small distinction but maybe relevant for some people. Imho DDR5 4800 should have been skipped upfront, since it does not perform better than most mainstream DDR4.

@Demonwicked 2 года назад

bought the fury 5600c40 2x16 kit for 160€ and you were right its hynix, thanks! Not that i can use those to their potential, my 12400f doesnt like booting @5600

@floodo1 2 года назад

perfect timing thx

@dainluke 2 года назад

Perhaps he means that he's been struggling to get a good OC out of his setup.

@TeamTDU 2 года назад

Really interested on when DDR5 will be better than DDR4 for esports titles

@artifactingreality Год назад

which is better for Digital Audio Workstation? ddr5 or ddr4?

@profounddamas 2 года назад

Not in my book, pc parts prices are and will remain very high. That's just the nature of corporations.

@michaelhulcy6680 2 года назад

Overclocking just for overclocking isn't something most people aren't into. Where's the specific software purpose. Games, DDR4 B die 3800 and above is king. So some Vipers for example. Latency is king. It'd be cool if quad channel was made at low prices. Over segmenting dick bags. But, whatiya gonna do. Don't give up though, used market has some deals sometimes on quad channel boards with recent CPU generations.

@velesgaming4102 2 года назад

I mean his comment said he wants to prove ddr5 is a good setup meaning he just wants to justify his purchase of ddr5 over ddr4... 4% faster is not a justification..it's faster just not worth it.... simply if you need help justifying your purchase it was not a good purchase

@michalsipocz5138 2 года назад

My plan is to wait. I would pair DDR5 with a 2nd-gen AM5 CPU, and maybe with a RTX 5080.

@techkilledme 2 года назад

Same here. Although 1st gen AM5 definitely seems to be solid from all the leaks and info we’ve gotten. I’m also more interested in the X770 boards rather than 2nd gen AM5 cpus.

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

@Ops Blac yes matured hardware with best price to performance ratio. And cpu/ram is far less a bottleneck than GPU-performance unless you specifically use it for the productivity part, and if the later is your use case you will be an earlier than EOL adapter.

@TheDude50447 2 года назад

With many gamers building Systems on a Budget and you already own a decent kit of ddr4 when switching to alderlake its more beneficial to invest the additional money into a better gpu than ddr5. With the most popular Hardware Segment being mid range like a 12600k and 3060 or 3070 the benefits of a newly implemented RAM standard are just way too small. Though if you aint got ddr4 already in your old System then buying ddr5 is usually beneficial cause you will probably be able to use them in your next System as well. Of course if money is not an issue then just buy Samsung b die ddr5 😁

@SK_1337 2 года назад

actually dintt know tthis. the dollar/price. exactly the comment is what i was thinking.

@Space_Reptile 2 года назад

Honestly? having 6000mhz memory netting you 10%fps over 3600mhz memory is kinda.... meh? not worth it for the vast majority of people yet

@prep0wer 2 года назад

Geekbench says no.

@crf637 2 года назад

Awesome! New video, woohoo!

@dvr1337 2 года назад

4% in 1080p which hopefully noone uses anymore

@laszlozsurka8991 2 года назад

You'll be surprised how many people still game in 1080p especially competitive gamers who games at like 200+ FPS.

@cHaMp630 2 года назад

@@laszlozsurka8991 Pulling random article information off the web isn't the best idea given most of them probably aren't running those ddr4 kits in dual rank. They also don't list the 1% low fps which is more important than average fps.

@yooanto9465 2 года назад

Latency is better on ddr6

@JosiahBradley 2 года назад

Ah yes big DDR paying off all those reviewers lol. I honestly wish more benchmarkers would test tight timing DDR in gaming.

@ΕΥΘΥΜΙΟΣΜΑΛΙΑΡΙΤΗΣ 2 года назад

FIRST

@yosixxx 2 года назад

I’ve seen dialed in gaming benchmarks w/ both ddr5 and ddr4 with maxed out timings/latency on both and some games win on ddr4 and some win on ddr5 both by a narrow margin

@simoSLJ89 2 года назад

Having kinda a bad day, but watching BZ bothering with the comment section always makes my day :D And of course thanks for always teaching something to us normies. PS just bought two BZ stickers. Did you consider printing them on metal, so they can be used as magnets? So they can be moved around more easily.

@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 2 года назад

I did not consider metal stickers. Though couldn't you just stick them onto a metal plate yourself?

@simoSLJ89 2 года назад

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Exactly what I did! Cut with the dremel a metal piece of the same size and put the stickers on it :D Greetings from Italy!

@themice42 2 года назад

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking lol

@sabishiihito 2 года назад

I managed to snag a cheap kit of 2x8GB Ripjaws V 3200CL16 that actually turned out to be strong B-die on A2 PCB (like 5000C15 GB3 strong) 😁

@jimmyhails 2 года назад

I'm waiting for faster DDR5 RAM to come out 7000 or 8000.

@maniakfps249 2 года назад

I am also satisfied with my ddr4 4133 mhz cl14-15-15-34. But 8000mhz plus ddr5 will be much better

@conza1989 2 года назад

So most of us watching are enthusiasts who like to get faster memory and at least use XMP but likely try to tune it a bit and daily it at somewhere reasonable settings. But for most people, I'm starting to wonder if DDR5 will ever make sense, for price to performance for gaming, so long as DDR4 is available? If we're talking a 2-5% gain at 720p-1080p, for 1440p or above DDR5 basically needs to cost 'the same' for equivalent performance for it to start making sense to them right? It's also hard for me to calibrate what speed means what in DDR5 vs DDR4, I know that DDR5-4800 should be looked at as basically DDR4-2133 or -2400, just on the basis that's the minimum JDEC speed, right? So is a short hand simply 2x the MTs?

@conza1989 2 года назад

Ok back to the enthusiast, yeah in my region Corsair Vengeance DDR5-6200 CL36 is $470 vs idk if this is close enough, G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-4000 CL18 at $320 so, I think "I" would spend the extra $150, in terms of my overall system build that wouldn't break it, for me. The $150 could be spent on maybe the next step in CPU or something to gain more performance, but I'm pretty much at the top end so, that'd do it for me.

@charleskrueger5523 2 года назад

What can you say/recommend for those who need 64GB or 128GB? 2x32 vs 4x16? (or 4x32). How are the 32GB sticks compared with 16GB ones? How best to tune these?

@angelg3986 2 года назад

Some need 256, but the PC industry remains limited to 128 since the old DDR-2/3 times. The marketing divisions allow only servers and server-like CPUs to host more.

@samiraperi467 2 года назад

Tom's Hardware isn't useful in my opinion.

@shreyasdharashivkar8027 2 года назад

Paul's Hardware is.

@ThunderingRoar 2 года назад

they have the best PSU and NVMe SSD reviews afaik

@minedustry 2 года назад

Tom's is great if you've a $5000 budget and only a few hours of time for research.

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

Different tier. On AHOC enthusiasts gather. A rather big part of people watching bullzoid are professional or semi professional self thaught DIY builders. Judging from this position a media that is directed towards entry and normal DIY builders is ok, but falls short. This media has their benefits, and is informative enough to guide people,. It switch over from the straight buy of System Integrator like Dell stock builds and have like zero clew beyond does it have Windows 11 and can it run Game X.

@maniakfps249 2 года назад

Take the test of the best ddr4 vs the best ddr5 in Multiplayer and Singplayer games

@redrock425 2 года назад

Two years time DDR5 will be very nice.

@chrisleon27 2 года назад

Greetings from China ,

@progste 2 года назад

Forgames it seems that latency is more important than frequency. I wonder if bigger cache sizes like AMD's 3D V-cache will make an even bigger difference on a ddr5 platform.

@JosiahBradley 2 года назад

They would actually make less difference. A larger L3 cache hides last mile latency to the RAM.

@GewelReal 2 года назад

Why not buy cheapest DDR5 now and upgrade in a year or two to a way better kit?

@einherz Год назад

funny. some games need less latency and need something like 30gb/s so that's game will better with 4. but my guess new games, where really matter what ram do you use 5 will better. so it's all about purchase politic. if buy every month new pc and don't care about you got much, there no different, can take best 4 that's will enough speed and good latency. and after couple a month take new rig with 5 7600 cl30. or something like that. but you can found today good enough 5 and if you will really need faster ram you will found it and replace it... so actually i don't understand why people stay get 4 gen new chipset mobo. this is strange. yes this is not the best time probably, because not present 5 memory with all potential like 7000 cl30 8000 cl35 or whatever will out in this year. but 6400 cl32 6600 cl34 just go and take it and use it... with almost 100% probability you will never need to upgrade till you use this generation. probably 4 years or even more. again good enough mobo gives opportunity push much faster ram when it will out if you will need it. in the other hand 4 on their top rate 4400 cl18 or something like that. and when you will need more speed with some game in that 4 years 4ram just will not gives that mid range 5 will... just simple pragmatic way

@einherz Год назад

5:38 this looks like driving crazy picture where words of colors wrote by other colors lol like red by yellow shrift, and yellow by black, etc. look at ram latency and frequency there everything wrong lol... all that's counting forward stay more inaccurate than rumors of death about some person every year... just look at 7000 cl32 that in some tests worst than 4800 cl40...

@Pillokun 2 года назад

He doesn't care about gaming perf with dialed in memory settings... okey... I dont have ddr5 system but my alderlake system with a cheap msi z690 a mobo at 4000cl15 at 1:1 is super faaaaast and although I cant compare directly to other benchmarkers my scores are way better when testing at the same scene. but yeah ddr5 pricing is close to b-die 2x16 sticks here in sweden.

@minthos4045 2 года назад

nah not buying DDR5 anytime soon. already got a decent Samsung B die. 99% of high end gamers wont game at 1080. So DDR5 is pointless. at 1440P there is NO Ram performance difference between DDR 4 and 5

@SimplyLewin 2 года назад

2 points: I know B660 and non-K CPUs are something that you couldn't care less about, but since VCCSA is locked on non-K parts, it seems cheap (I.E. Micron) DDR5 would be a better choice than B-die for these platforms. Though if you're using a non-K CPU to save money, you'll probably also want to use $50 / 16 GB DDR4. I assume most of us watching this already have at least decent DDR4. We will see official DDR5 8400 at some point, which means it's likely around 25% above that ~10500 will be common. That will mean better IMCs and better DDR5. It will also likely mean better motherboard memory topology. We've gotten a taste of what's to come, but 12th gen to me is still very much a DDR4 platform. I don't want to pay a premium for DDR5 when my CPU, motherboard and RAM combo will all be obsolete just as soon as if I went with DDR4.

@cracklingice 2 года назад

Speccing out something for my niece for Christmas. It's pretty much between B450M Steel Legend with the cheaper of Ryzen 5 5600 or 5600x and B660M Mortar Max with a 12400. Both would use DDR4-3200 16 18 18 38 unless something more cost effective with higher performance becomes available.

@PwadigytheOddity 2 года назад

Personally I believe in DDR2 supremacy

@Airwave2k2 2 года назад

EDO to rule them all.

@voluntarism335 Год назад

What are the best performing ddr5 ram? Struggling to decide what ram to get for my next pc build

@user-dn5bx2iu3e 2 года назад

AM5 ddr5 only :(, fuck those prices still suck.

@hokral7915 2 года назад

Is pcpp ever going to fix the fwl calculation lol

@timtoomuch Год назад

Why is ddr5 2x32 showing up as quad rank?

@jomamabee2481 2 года назад

Yeah I mean he is complaining about its performance, but only because of how much he paid for it.. So really its price to performance. Some people spent like 800+ on 32 gb kits that perform within a percentage point of a decent 60 dollar DDR4 16GB kit in gaming, and in some games perform straight up worse lol but yeah as you say now that its closer to being priced just like high end DDR4, its become reasonable for your average enthusiast. Still 3x the price of an adequate DDR4 kit for a few percentage points of a difference. When 7000 series drops it will probably get even cheaper and perform better, but still I'm good with DDR4 until I can get 16GB of DDR5 that actually performs better for 100 bucks.

@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 2 года назад

A 60USD DDR4 kit isn't going to be beating DDR5. You lose a lot of performance by running single rank DDR4.

@miyagiryota9238 2 года назад

Faster barely, for so much money

@pianoplayer88key 2 года назад

I find myself going more for capacity than for speed when I get RAM. What difference would super fast DDR4 make (I don't have a DDR5 system yet) if I'm almost constantly running out of the stuff and having to frequently use pagefile on either an SSD, or even a hard disk? In my laptop (Clevo P750DM-G, with an i7-6700K), I have 64GB of G.Skill Ripjaws (2x F4-2133C15D-32GRS) - 16GB per stick, DDR4-2133, 15-15-15-36. I'm frequently using over 100+ GB of pagefile, or of committed, and have even seen "committed" reach 370-372 GB a few times. My desktop (with a 5950X, B550 Taichi and Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360) has 128GB of Team Expert (2x TTCED464G3600HC18JDC01) - 32GB per stick, DDR4-3600, 18-22-22-42. My usage right now is a bit lower due to a fairly recent restart, but I've had it upwards of 90-100+ GB RAM usage, and pagefile up around 160-200+ GB or more. My desktop RAM won't post at its 3600 XMP speed, though. It will run at 3533, but I've been having periodic issues with various things so I've been trying 3466, even though the issues may or may not be RAM related. Once in a while (once or twice a month the last several times), my wifi hardware will quit working (connection drops, and upon clicking the icon in systray it looks like the hardware doesn't even exist), and several hard drives plugged in will become unresponsive (mostly my older 8-10TB ones - task manager shows 100% usage but 0 data transfer, and apps that try to access the drives just hang like "Not Responding", but the newer 12 and 14TB drives haven't been affected), until I restart the system. Sometimes I've had to force restart with the reset button because the keyboard and mouse also vanished, and at least once I came back to the system to find a black screen and the GPU fan (EVGA SC GTX 1060 3GB - 03G-P4-6162-KR) pegged at 100%. Restarting got me back up and running, but I wonder if something else might be up. I hope I won't have to take out the motherboard, because that was a pain to install and set up.

@denvera1g1 2 года назад

Wow i expected DDR5 6000 to be much faster than that, i wonder how DDR6 6000 compares to those $80 patriot viper steel 4400 C19, that can be pushed to 4933CL17 if you have a good IMC and a down draft/dedicated RAM cooler

@Torulv 2 года назад

You think we will see sub 30 cas latency ddr5 for a somewhat reasonable price this year?

@desperdoes 2 года назад

A quick question about the Kingston kit that you pointed out: You mentioned that you can get lucky and get SK Hynix or a bit less lucky and end up with Samsung depending on what particular chips they used during the day of production. How can I think of that? Do the producers such as Kingston or G.Skill mix their chips or switch on a daily basis? Or is it something like the DDR4 rev.A/B/C/D/E kinda thing? If you can get lucky and get SK Hynix, the reasonable thing to do would be to order a couple cost-effective kits of the same kind, see what chips they have and send back the Samsung ones, no?

@mypeeps1965 2 года назад

Not being able to run 4 sticks on a z690 MB at XMP is a thing! MB mfrs and/or Intel f""ed up on the memory controller. Problems with Hardware, drivers, and software cannot take advantage of the bandwidth and speed/ ram compacity. DDR5 maybe faster, but NOT better as of TODAY than DDR4. I have multiple High-end rigs from Intel and AMD to prove this. DDR5 is more Niche than DDR4. Next gen Intel and AMD may improve on this, hopefully? As of today, Not so much. My workflow and 30 yrs in the business prove this more times than not. TRUTH!

@playstation1freak26 2 года назад

Why is ddr5 faster when the cas latencies are so high?

@Aecerbot 2 года назад

CAS Latency doesn't matter nearly as much as the MT rate. Higher transfers generally mean higher CAS Latencies

@stanpaponov 2 года назад

I got the samsung Corsair Vengeance 32GB you showed, I was able to clock it to 6000 with 36-36-36-44 and some of your subtimings from other videos, the main one though ( don't remember the name ) which is usually a big value like 65000 does not clock much, I could only make it stable at Auto, stock XMP performance was just so bad 80-90ns in Aida but after overclock it's still not great either around 75-80ns, read bandwidth went up from 75-80k mb to 90k

@johngamble5270 2 года назад

My DDR4 purchases have all been 3600 CL16 or CL18. I'm still trying to get a feel for DDR5 timing. (I'm not doing this for gaming, so my needs are a little different. Plus I buy 64 GB for the motherboard. Again, my needs are a little different.)

@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX 2 года назад

all i know is that when DDR5 is around the price range of a ddr4 3200mhz kit, im picking up a 2x16gb kit ASAP, since knowing with what has happened before with DDR3 and SPECIALLY DDR4, its not gonna be any surprise that there will be another "DRAM Shortage" and companies will sell you an average kit for 500usd

@alsteooaai 2 года назад

hello, are released technical data about Raptor lake (eg DDR5-5600 support) today with Intel 12 gen we reduce to bring the ddr5 to 5600mhz, in your opinion, with 13 gen, how long will we be able to bring them? How much overall improvement (in MHz) will there be with the new Intel CPUs and the new Mobos?

@panikk2 2 года назад

i don't think anyone was ever disputing that ddr5 is an improvement over ddr4. it just becomes about cost vs fps gains for a lot of the people making new builds. like yeah you could spend like 20 dollars more per stick and get DDR5 and pay like 80 dollars more on a Z series ddr5 motherboard or maybe you're choosing between a 5600x ddr4 or 12600k ddr5 build, but at the end of the day is that money worth it versus investing in upgrading your GPU or CPU if your primary use is gaming? that's always how i view the value proposition of components to my shopping.

@Na0uta 2 года назад

I mean I think we all know it's faster in general. but it just isn't worth the markups is had or has right now. and by the time most games see a large improvement. You'd likely be building a new system around then. like consider that you couldn't even get a mobo with ddr5 when it launched in 2020. maybe a laptop here and there. if you got ddr5 back then. you'd be 1 1/2 years in with an avg of 5 maybe 10 fps better in games. and if you don't play games or you just focus on office work. the speed isn't doing much at all for you. just a useless stat on the sticker. maybe you are really into memory intensive work loads. still wouldn't matter much because it's just a laptop. you already gave up close to 30% cpu/gpu performance for the form factor. so no, ddr5 wouldn't be considered a better option unless you discount price to performance. which many people will. and having the newest shiny thing is tempting. but it isn't a practical choice for the vast majority of people who would even use their computers. to a point they could notice this difference. it's like "yeah, I should get ddr5 on my pre-built 12th gen i5 system with do discrete gpu. that ddr5 will make it such a power house". yeah your igpu will be a little better, but overall it's not much benefit. and will just cost you $150 to $300 more then a ddr4 setup.

@Bayonet1809 2 года назад

For 2x32GB kits high end DDR5 still costs twice as much as high end DDR4, see F5-5600J3036D32GX2-RS5K vs F4-4000C18D-64GVK

@Bayonet1809 2 года назад

If one needs 128GB, then DDR4 still looks better to me, as running four sticks of DDR5 forces the imc to such slow clocks that DDR4 ends up being faster, no?