When he pulled his gun, she cowered, raised both hands and said, "I'm sorry". He ignored her submission and continued to walk toward her shouting commands as if she were threatening him. You don't close distance with someone you fear will scald you. He was the aggressor, and if she threw the water, she had the right to defend herself however she could. In a life-or-death situation, you take whatever shot you can get. You don't call your shots in advance. His level of indifference afterward wasn't even human.
Thank you. Ppl keep debating whether or not she threw the water. It's irrelevant if she threw it or not and if she did it was self defense. The cop for no reason threatened her life by saying he would shoot her in the face and pointed a gun at her. The cop had the ability, opportunity, and intent to shoot her.
THE COPs tell her to shut off the stove and then she says something about Jesus and then the cop GOES CRAZY and or DEMONIC ! LISTEN TO WHOLE EXCHANGE this is not even close to something else
Not at all. We pointed that out in our discussion, along the other inexcusable things he said, and actions he failed to take after shooting her (for example, failing to provide aid).
Never happened. He "chuckled" when his partner got nervous and went right to avoid what he said "was hot water". She even asks him "where are you going". At some point, (which the videos will never be able to recapture), the "shooter" realizes this isn't a joke and gives her an extremely harsh command to disarm.
@@cliftonharmon2403 Only other incredulous response I hear is at his partner's belief she can be rescued. When breathing was determined to still be present, first aid for blood loss was rendered.
She put the fucking pan down and didn't have anything in her hands. Then she ducked on the floor..... Like she was cowering. How does that pose any physical threat. 💯🤷 There is no fucking justification for his actions. 👌 Period. End of story. That's not self defense. 💯
i’m assuming you haven’t taken the time to make sure what you’re commenting is true or accurate.. it *clearly* shows her with the pot over her right shoulder, lunging forward & throwing it.. it clearly if you paid attention shows the water splashes with a semi large amount in the entry way & the pot landing on the blk computer chair.. i get it, it makes the whole situation different. & that’s an issue because we all want to be able to say he this when she did absolutely nothing wrong.. but unfortunately her *ONLY* mistake was picking that pot up & indeed throwing it.. outside of that being said.. *this evil man in every way was wrong & completely unjustifiable for using excessive force to that level against her* most importantly taking a life that didn’t do anything to warrant this outcome.. but *_2 things can be true at once_*
@@triiileigh interesting you left out that as she squatted down the pot was held up with her right hand and her left hand was covering her forehead as if she was trying to protect herself after that psycho POS told her he was going to basically blow her brains out. It's called self-defense. Once again, IF he was sooo, scared of that "steamy hot water". why in the hell did he advance around the counter/barrier to shoot her instead of RETREATING? Dumb. But, I digress.
Yes but the video captures the first few seconds b4 he started the video which she is already pouring the water out of the pot as he moved forward to shoot her. It's on the bodycam
@prettygirlus9008 his body camera was activated when he first arrived on the scene. He deactivated his body camera right before entering her home. He reactivated his body cam right after he discharged his firearm. The camera captured a few minutes before he reactivated his body camera. He had sinister, ill-intentions prior to entering her home. Why else would he deactivate his body camera before making entrance into her home??? Hmmm?? Think about it...
He didn’t even try to calm this scene down and he pulled his gun. Not to mention the first aid kit he didn’t get. Why don’t nobody know who he is? Why do he still have a job? This is crazy!!!
Jesus Christ, I have worked in level one trauma for 16 years and if that douche bag thought he was at any threat from a pot of water, give me a effing break. I pity the defense in this situation because this is clearly murder in the first degree.
@@theeraphatsunthornwit6266 he planned it wen notice h2o on stove , he knew water was hot he should've stayed his Krazy azz back, instead of pretending she was gonna use on em jus to make up fake excuses to kill her, he's a menace to our society!!!
@@theeraphatsunthornwit6266if he genuinely thought the pot of boiling water was a threat: a) he wouldn't have told her to go get it off the stove; and b) he would have simply told her to (or let her) pour it out. Rather he was spoiling to find a reason to harm her and when she rebuked him in the name of Jesus, the evil demonic spirit within him took over and THAT is when he grabbed his gun out of the holster, threatened to shoot her in the f'ing face and proceeded to do so. Those who can see, see.
He didn't want to de escalate he wanted to kill, but why if the other cop could see clearly the same situation, did he draw his gun with finger on the trigger , why did he not shout stand down. Both officers should have been charged in Sonya Messey murder.
Mark 1:25-26 King James Version 25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. 26 And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him. Unfortunately, that unclean spirit never came out that Demon Grayson. Jude 9 King James Version 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Is this just me or isn't yelling drop the pot to a person holding a pot of boiled water a completely idiotic command? Isn't that a high risk for Sonya to burn herself?
@@theeraphatsunthornwit6266 he had all the time. She had no time. She was stationary while he chose to escalate by closing in. Drop the pot means drop it on the ground. Also if you watch the bodycam youll notice he yells "Drop the f'ing pot" for a second time right after she puts it on the sink and cowers down.
@@stefansibbes2440 yes, he does yell that same phrase again.. & like you said at this moment she complies & puts her hands up.. why didn’t she stay like that??? not move??? *sadly* the very thing he is dramatically telling her NOT TO DO.. she does.. why?? if someone says to you (mind you, that you don’t really know them) they will *END* your life basically by doing something.. *_why in tf would you do it???????_* he was harsh, belligerent, and very hostile in that moment.. no one is denying that.. but honest to goodness whyyyyyy would you throw it???? clearly..i would take a chance on leaving it on the sink & staying in the position of hands up -showing im not a threat. especially with a gun pointed in my direction. his course of actions aren’t justifiable. this did not equate to death. but once he clearly made a statement that shows he believes it’s a threat to *him* wouldn’t it be fair to say extreme or not. that was his feelings about it??? I’m honestly surprised how many people think the right course of action would to be throwing the mf pot????? & hoping for a different outcome.
@@triiileigh it was clear she had some mental issues. I wouldn't even know how I'd respond if an unhinged cop with murderous intent suddenly aim his gun at my head in my own home, because he invented a threat I never made. It was clear she was scared for her life. He made himself more threatening by yelling the same command over and over, even right after she complied the first time, while closing in very quickly. Why tf would he close in?? She was hunkered down and not moving towards him with the pot. The only answer I can think of is that he had 0 regard for her life, the way he talked about her after shooting her and his refusal to lend aid confirms this. The officer escalated the situation so badly, I have to be honest, it looks like he was set out to kill her the moment her 'rebuke' comment set him off. He shot her through the eye moments after he threatened to do this very thing. Her reaction seemed defensive to me, she was powerless.
Let me explain to you why Sonya rose up after that MANIAC said "Drop the pot"!The first time he said "Drop the pot" She raised her hands up with the pot holder and said Im sorry,Im sorry and she dropped down out of FEAR! The MANIAC continued to say "Drop the pot" even though she was stooping.She stood back up out of confusion thinking he wants her to get up and drop the pot.Sonya stood back up to follow his commands and before she could fully stand to drop the pot as that MANIAC said,He EXECUTED her! That MANIAC continued to say "Drop the pot", while Sonya was laying on the ground DYING! What is even more DISTURBING is why did both of the MANIACS continued to hold the gun on that precious lady? Why?? The officer who stood by why didnt he tell his MANIAC partner no dont shoot, and just say to Sonya could you put the pot in the sink and come back to the living room? NO! He stood right there and pulled his gun out too like they were aiming at some wild animal! You want to talk about Sonyas mental health,why dont you talk about the mentality of that BRUTE BEAST? Why keep talking about Sonyas behavior? Why dont you talk about why did these Police departments allow a ALCOHOLIC work on the Police department?
Nice imagination. I have heard this before. But totally wrong. Do you know where the pot is after she threw it ? It flyed half way to him and landed on the chair
EXACTLYY!! Sangamon County Sheriff's Office Facebook page has an interesting statement dated July 22, 2024 from the Chief regarding Grayson and the entire murder that happened on that fateful day. Very interesting.
Not only did they allow her to go in the kitchen, one of the officers "directed" her to go in the kitchen to get the pot of water because they don't need a house fire while they are there!
@@msell2682 that *is not* what happened. he gestured to his partner to go look or check- basically pointed it out, i’m sure to take care of it. she gets up & heads in. still nothing strange about that. but notice nothing becomes uncomfortable until she picks that pot up.. & questions “where you going?” then the rest follows.. this man *_isn’t right. he isn’t justified_*. but everyone is worried about the wrong thing here. what *we all should be concerned with* is them charging him with 1st degree.. stay with me.. he absolutely without a doubt deserves to pay for taking Sonya’s life. but it’s not alarming that they would have seen what the public didn’t see till weeks later???.. meaning that there is more to this story, more factors that weren’t talked about till the bc came out on both officers- it seems concerning to me (yes, to me) that given all the new information & all the roles played, that they chose 1st degree.. because whether any of us liked it or not.. he has a defense. the very thing he overly dramatically tells her not to do, she does. and yes, i agree that he caused this escalation, & acted completely belligerent towards her. but my opinion or yours unfortunately don’t matter when clearly he perceived that pot & boiled water a threat to cause him harm. the moment Sonya *_threw_* it basically gave this man a chance to face no consequences, again whether we like it or not.. that’s why i say, while everyone is arguing about the details of who told who, why they in her house, whether she throws or doesn’t, etc.. we are we ignoring that once again this corrupt government has seemed to set up a _loop hole_ that can let this sick man skate????? i think this way cause it’s likely they will have enough to *prove* he found that water to cause him bodily harm & that she does throw his direction.. so again.. why is no discussing that them charging him the most extreme not alarming????
The partner could have turned off the stove while she continued to search for her I.D. The partner could have said, screw it I am getting my med kit. The partner is just as culpable.
@@theeraphatsunthornwit6266 How in the world would that be suspicious? It's her house. It's her kitchen. Why would she expect someone else to do it? They were guests in her home, and they murdered her.
This was deplorable and premeditated. She was unarmed. They was psycho. They could’ve just left and turned the stove off themselves, or even retreated. How many others are still out there unhinged? We’ll never know until a fatal incident occurs.
You can clearly see that the partner was shaken up by what he witnessed. His hands were visibly shaking and he couldn't even tell the other first responders clearly what happened. The murderer was non bothered and proceeded to curse and smear her to the other first responders as she lay there dying. It's apparent that she was no more than a bug that he squashed on the bottom of his shoes!
The partner needs to be arrested and tried too. He pretended that Ms Massey was going to throw water on him when she wasn't, he pulled his weapon and pointed it at her and he should have retrieved his medical kit and administered what could have been life-saving aid to Ms. Massey!!!!
@teresam5199 the partner was behind the murderer. He drew his weapon after the murderer drew his weapon because he was following policy. That is what they are trained to do so they can back up their partner right away if the partner is injured in a threatening situation. The murderer drawing his gun and yelling that she better not made the partner think that the situation escalated at first. I'm angry, too, but I can't be like that gaslighting murderer and smear someone who doesn't deserve it. 😔 I believe the partner was just as shocked that he actually followed through and shot her so quickly as we were.
@@teresam5199 no, i'm not going to sit here and let you compare him to that murderer. HE COULDN'T GO GET MED ANYWAY CAUSE HE HAD TO STOP THE BLEEDING AS HIS PARTNER WASNT GOING TO!!!
1. She could have reached for the pot to protect her face after he said she would shoot her in the face....or 2. He kept telling her to drop the pot....so she could have reached for it in order to drop it. And 3..when he shot her, she dropped it and the water spread.
He possibly wanted an excuse for her to drop the hot pot of water, just to make her feel further degraded, so she can burn herself, knowing that she has some kind of mental issues, and would use it as an excuse to hurt herself and blame her. What a demented manipulative conniving hateful monster of a coward. There are people like that that cause people to hurt themselves on purpose, too..When there's no need to. Fake demonic heroes, in the midst, everywhere society deals with. People need to spiritually discern further, where everything is heading to. Mercy
@@keltonharper2210 ok that's it , this 👿 is constantly proving how sick he is, the audacity to want his job back like he's not wrong, & what sick individual will give it back like they been doing, that chief of sangamon police department should held accountable too he knew what's on his record
She was in crisis because she picked up on his demeanor and new her life was in danger. She turned to her religion in her time of crisis. The things she said are very recognizable for someone who has interacted with different religious types as methods of dealing with stressful situations. Rebuking evil is a common form of keeping one's spirit protected and assured from what one perceives as evil.
Mark 1:25-26 King James Version 25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. 26 And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him. Unfortunately, that unclean spirit never came out that Demon Grayson. Jude 9 King James Version 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Did anyone notice when she was on the phone, she told.. i think he was either a dispatcher or officer that, the sheriff is here, but I want y'all to help me. Meaning she didn't want them there she preferred someone else come and not them
The dispatcher asked if the deputy was there. She said no. They both are standing right there. That's very telling to me. She knew she was dealing with devils 👿😡 not humans.
If you go on Chicago Illinois news website it's actually a audio of him in a meeting with a chief for misconduct and stealing time from a department he worked for.. I listened to it last night. That man is a loose cannon and did what he wanted instead of following rules.
She didn’t throw no water at him. Not one drop of water touched him or his partner. I don’t appreciate the lies they’re telling. Because if they’re lying now we know they’re going to lie during the trial.
The steam from the water that was in the pot can be seen right next to the officer and where she threw the pot at him. A pro tip: Just because the officers didn't get hit with hot water doesn't mean she didn't throw hot water at them.
You all do realize that you can't go in someone else's house, act aggressive, then corner them, then cry self defense. That's not how self defense works.
This cop was just looking for an excuse to make her a criminal. This ex-cop needs to be in jail. Forever. She held up the pot to try to deflect and shield herself. She was not throwing the water in my opinion, even if she was, she was in defense mode. This is pathetic.
I agree!! She was frightened out of her mind. Just to hear someone say they are about to blow your "f" brains out basically, anyone who feared for their life would instinctively try and protect themselves. She was definitely trying to shield her face. The pot was in her right hand and she was crouched in a downward position, while her left hand with the red mitt was covering her forehead.
Imagine telling 2 cops that you’re going to put the pot into the sink and you head for the sink to do just that. You never leave the vicinity of the sink and they get scared that you’re going to throw hot water on them and pull their guns on you and come towards you in your own home which you never invited them into. And mind you, the cops were the ones that told you to go and tend to the pot. The prosecutors are going to be so excited with all the material they have to work with in court.
No copyright. Copy and paste it anywhere you want. It happened like this. 1. He said drop the fking pot 2. She said ok i am sorry, lay down the pot ON THE SINK COUNTER, and cowering down 3. He moved forward as he now lost the line of sight of her, so he could restore line of sight. 4. She stand up lethally fast, hands reaching to the pot full of hot water on the sink, and threw in his direction. 5. In this one or two seconds of throwing movement, he open fire, hitting her chest and brain. 6. The pot half successfully thrown, fly over and landed on the the black swivel chair. 7. Hot water content splash mostly on the chair, some on the walkway, almost reaching his feet. So amazed that people can fill in the blank with their own prejudice and imagination, without realizing that maybe it might not happen as they think. Note: it was SHE who offerred to take care of the pot. He never asked her to go. In fact, he didnt want her to go and resort to using silent hand signal to his partner, commanding him to go check it, but unfortunately she looked up and saw it. Everything is on tape, how come you guys failed to see is beyond my expectation. Gosh i have to copy this i dont want to type this again.
Her saying “hand me that Bible” could be because she keeps important documents with her Bible. It seems to the man here to not be related to the request but that doesn’t exactly make it so. I don’t think it matters whether she threw the water or not. The primary deputy drew his gun and threatened to kill her at gunpoint while demanding that she drop the pot which wasn’t even in her hands at that point. Once he did that, he threw the whole situation into chaos and put her in fear of her life. I think anyone would be in fear for their life. Moreso a person having some kind of mental crisis.
Exactly this. When submission failed, she had no idea how to calm him. At that point, he became a man with a gun in her kitchen threatening to k*ll her. He was twice her size. This poor woman who called the police for protection was m*rdered instead by the men she thought it was safe to open her door to.
This segment on this channel was very detailed, thorough, and unbiased. Gratitude to these two gentleman sharing their perspective, knowledge, and experience.
@@The10CodeMindset I don't think he perceived her as a threat. The stated threat was simply a pretext for murder. Lets call it for what it is. He did what he said he was going to do. When he told her what he was going to do, she grabbed the pot to use it as cover as she ducked. They only reason she had the pot in the first place is because they told her to go get it. His tattoos look terrifying. It didn't sound genuine to me when he said "I wasn't going to let her throw water on me". He seemed to be trying to convince himself of this. I think he works for the father of lies who came to kill, steal and destroy.
@@zackery_agent_25he said that "he's not getting hot water on him " to his partner so he can agree wit him the fake excuse he made up to kill her, ole Krazy person, he the one needa be on meds!!!
No copyright. Copy and paste it anywhere you want. It happened like this. 1. He said drop the fking pot 2. She said ok i am sorry, lay down the pot ON THE SINK COUNTER, and cowering down 3. He moved forward as he now lost the line of sight of her, so he could restore line of sight. 4. She stand up lethally fast, hands reaching to the pot full of hot water on the sink, and threw in his direction. 5. In this one or two seconds of throwing movement, he open fire, hitting her chest and brain. 6. The pot half successfully thrown, fly over and landed on the the black swivel chair. 7. Hot water content splash mostly on the chair, some on the walkway, almost reaching his feet. So amazed that people can fill in the blank with their own prejudice and imagination, without realizing that maybe it might not happen as they think. Note: it was SHE who offerred to take care of the pot. He never asked her to go. In fact, he didnt want her to go and resort to using silent hand signal to his partner, commanding him to go check it, but unfortunately she looked up and saw it. Everything is on tape, how come you guys failed to see is beyond my expectation. Gosh i have to copy this i dont want to type this again.
@@theeraphatsunthornwit6266 Ur 4-7 is all wrong she was trying to cover her face, the red mitten wasn't enuff wen he start shooting she try to grab the pot for cover, he made her waste h20 wen he fire , wen h2o got on the floor that krazy 👿walked up to the water & to shoot her more, how did u miss that part????
I'm from the town where this happened. My Dad was part of the Springfield PD. I went to high school with guys who eventually joined on with the Sheriff's office. Please don't judge Springfield by this one incident. There are lots of great people on the force here and they would lay their life on the line to protect us. I'm heartbroken by all this; at all this ugliness that was just layed on our doorstep by this awful person. I love our men and women in uniform but we have got to try and do better. This woman didn't have to die. Look at the video, she was absolutely terrified from the moment he drew his gun on her. You can tell what kind of person he is too later when they asked him who he was with and his reply was "I was with dipshit". He didn't even show any respect for his partner.
There is no police department where civilians expect all police are like him, but we have yet to find any police department that will protect civilians from police like him and that's a problem. We can protect ourselves from anyone posing a threat except the police. Despite the overwhelming population expressing distrust in police
I have to go back and look at the video; I missed that he called his partner, "dipshit". Wow. I heard from another platform, that his partner was a rookie deputy and was only sworn in since September 11, 2023. The name of his partner was also provided. I don't know for sure if this is true regarding who his partner was, but it all makes sense now that this new Rookie probably was afraid of Grayson, possibly.
She did not throw the water. However even if she did, she has a right to protect her home from ANYONE. After someone random threatens you to shoot you in the face what would you do?
I find it encouraging that these two people are so upset about this catastrophe. They are honest about the problems, but we all know that the obstacles to solving them are really significant.
I am a conservative and a Republican, BUT I believe changes do need to be made in Policing. I don't believe in Defunding the Police, but these are the changes I think need to be made, 1) All Police Officers should have to maintain a Federal or State license to be a Police Officer, no different then a Doctor that has to have a state medical board issue them a license to practice medicine, or a Lawyer being required to pass a State Bar and have a license to practice law. If a police officer is fired or resigns in lieu of termination should have his license pulled and unable to be hired elsewhere. There is a case in Florida, where a Police Officer planted drugs on over 27 people during traffic stops to get promoted. He literally ruined 27 families lives. There are many cases like this. 2) Qualified immunity needs to be removed, why is it when a Police Officer violates someone's rights and is sued the taxpayer's have to pay for it. This is just wrong. 3) Civil Forfeiture needs to be made unlawful, unless the person is arrested for a actual crime. I wish the Democrats and Republican's would come together and actually serve the public and address this matter in a rational way instead of gas lighting. I am tired of the dam THIN BLUE LINE GARABAGE. I was Active Duty Military for 26 years, when we removed someone from the Air Force for disciplinary reasons, they could not go join the Marines, Army, Navy, Coast Guard. Same should hold true for Cops, if you are fired or resign in liue of discipline, they should not be allowed to join a different police force.
Democrat here, and thank you ! Finally, someone talking some sense. Let's get together and stop the bullshit. I'm not for defunding the police either. Invest more into pre-screening, reacurring psych evaluations, and better training. To your point - no rehiring for nutjobs like this. Had these things already been in place, assholes like this wouldn't have slipped through. He had way too many red flags and no business wearing a badge.
Not only had he worked for 6 agencies and had 2 dui's but he also had a bad conduct discharge from the army! Still, the fraternal order of police filed a grievance about his discharge following this shooting. Reminds me of Daniel Auderer, the head of the police union in Seattle belly-laughing about the pedestrian who got hit during a pursuit. The blue line hurts the police force by empowering bad conduct, reducing public trust, and eroding law and order.
I don't think so but if I'm wrong please share your source. It seems he was kicked out for a DUI and received a "General discharge under honorable conditions" This is better than a dishonorable discharge but not as good as an honorable discharge. If I was the hiring manager, I'd certainly inquire as to what those conditions of discharge were.
Saying the water was boiling is a incorrect statement that makes the officers POV better, you can not tell if the water is boiling unless you right up on the pot or there is a lid over it, there is no indication that the water is boiling, I never seen a lick of steam even when the water hit the floor. For all we know the water could have been some what hot. What those officers did was cowardly. The cover officer should have turned off the fire to the stove, since when do officers allow suspects or civilians close to deadly weapons in their presence "Ma'am I'm going to go ahead and turn off your stove for you, just until we leave" easy.
There is a lot of steam. Check the shooter bodycam footage. The pot landed on the chair far from her because it is thrown, with steam fuming around. Get a bigger screen
You don't know what your talking about. Its in the video. The steam and her tossing the pot with water at the officer. Go watch the video instead of hyper focusing on the hot water conspiracy.
@@markk2745 there is no video evidence or otherwise of her throwing the pot or the water in it. She simply picked up the pot and the murderer shot her. And let's not even pretend this was about some supposed fear of boiling water, when the video showed what triggered this maniac was her rebuking him in the name of Jesus. This was pure evil. And the fact that you choose to focus on some baseless defense that he killed her so he wouldn't get scolded with hot water nonsense, ask yourself why you are seemingly NOT more concerned with how aggressively he treated her, his threat to shoot her in the face BEFORE any alleged throwing of water, him giggling that it was a head shot and no need to administer medical aid and called her a crazy b*!tch while she was bleeding out on her kitchen floor. You should seek help and repent, while you have time.
She knew her life was in danger when she called 911 again and didn’t want to get off the phone and the operator was rude and unprofessional as well. The lady was clearly distraught and he disregarded it totally, I understand that your job is stressful but to be so careless is crazy to me.
The lady said "I rebuke You in the Name of Jesus" as a response to the suggestion by the cover deputy that she may throw the hot water at him not because she has mental issues.
Number 1 thing, if the cops was concerned about the boiling water... Well, from a distance of about 8 to 10 feet, that boiling water would have at most gotten a few mild burns on his body. 10 feet away, boiling water pellets flying in the air, are cooled down to the point of not being hot enough to hurt them. The cop was a loose cannon.
And if it was his legitimate concern, he wouldn't have closed the distance with her. He would have backed away or, better yet, just left as the call was over.
The book Mental Health and De- Escalation should be a required manual used in training for every officer around the world and should be used to issue CEU's after successfully completing a short quiz.
🥀Tearsdrop, why were so many police officers outside of her house. Her son stated in a news conference that she had Lupus, and mental health issues. Her son also stated the police had been out to her resident before. Also, why didn't the officer turn off the water. He asked her for her ID, and none of this makes sense. She wanted help and ended up deceased. This is troubling on so many levels. How do you justify this type of aggressive behavior. Where was empathy and compassion for a woman who clearly was God fearing and afraid for her safety and well being.
Great analysis, one that any reasonable person with any sense of humanity would access from observation of this encounter. Especially, One that any trained professionals briefed in conducting basic investigation would easily pick up on automatically. He had no desire to do so, what he had was malevolent intention towards Ms. Sonya Massey and he murdered her because he assumed to simply get away with it due to qualified immunity. That there is indeed a true monster who needs to be removed from society before he claims more innocent lives.
After she was told that there was no intruder and was closing her door, the cop started asking about the parked car and let himself in her apartment. Why didn't he just leave? There was no report to be made. He should have left. He was looking to hurt someone like her that night, and unfortunately she was his victim
@@camiliacole2373 you are not understanding what their job entails then.. ma’am she called 9-1-1 for an intruder. when they search the premises they see a blk car in her driveway (not strange) until they see the whole side of it has busted in windows.. (very very strange & suspicious) especially when there is a possible intruder around. her repeated denies of that being her vehicle, causes this to open up the door to them needing more information.. not only that. if you pay attention in the outside conversation, when they are saying goodbye.. greyson asked one more time “so that isn’t your blk car in the driveway?” again she said “uh-uh, no” greyson “well how’d it get here?” sonya “someone dropped it off” from that exact moment he then says to the other officer “yeah, go check it out” from this moment you see the view of the partner running the plates & overall greyson begin to question “does anyone else live here?” you can’t hear a response (at least i couldn’t) but given they begin to enter the house it’s likely he then says well let’s go get your identification. none of that is outside their job description or is abnormal. but let me add.. what’s odd is once the partner comes in greyson & sonya are now talking about the damage.. to which she responded (the damage occurred) “earlier” so maybe (my opinion) during the part we can’t really hear or see between greyson & her it gets brought up it’s her car???? idk.. i just do understand the point of them not leaving when you guys all think they should of left.
The cop threatened to shoot her in the face if she didn't comply. She complied and then the officer still came at her in a threatening manner while trying to get a clear shot at her. She threw the water in self defense. She felt he was coming around the counter to make good on his threat to shoot her in her face. She feared for her life. THAT'S why she threw the water.
Has anyone seen the video where her son said he had already had contact with at least one of these officers earlier in the day regarding his mom's mental health. They already knew she had mental health issues. There is also information that this family already has a history with police. I think she was scared.
I believe she was a TI ⭐ Targeted Individual. Her mental HEALTH was the problem. A strong healthy mind can't be controlled. It's a battle for the mind. Cult type stuff going on here 😮.
My question is did they ever have prior contact with Ms. Massey. Where were her children, what time of night was it. Where were the officers when they got the call. Why weren't they more concerned about the vandalized vehicle in her driveway⁉️ He could see into the home through the window why'd he ask "what took you so long to come the door". He was looking @ her the whole time.
And in my opinion the most tragic thing of all is that the officer didn't have to ask for her ID he didn't have to go in the house and neither did anything to de-escalate the situation
Really , that's probably Y that 😈 asked Sonya "how is her mental state of mind" , if that's the case soon as he asked her that he was planning sumn Krazy, then gone say she planned the set up when he the one was planning it!!! He's the real Krazy one!!! That's Y he invited his own self n!! I hope it all come out about the fiance ,him & Sonya to know what really happened between em three! I wonder do she kno how Krazy Sean really is?!
She had put the pot down and was holding her hands up with oven mitts on them !! And he still shot her!!!! Like why would he think it’s okay to pull a gun on someone with a pot of boiling water?? Why not the taser??? Why not just back up from her?? It’s like he immediately pulls his gun before even trying anything else!!! Officers need to be trained to pull the gun ONLY if the suspect has a gun!! And then… AND THENNNNN!!!!! His friggin attitude afterwards is soooooooo disgusting!!! I’m so glad he was indicted!!! Soooooo glad!!!'
I hate we had to have the discussion about such a horrible misuse of force, in which an innocent woman was killed, but we did it in an effort to prevent something like this from ever happening again.
Hi Attorney Bryan, thanks for watching. I hate Ernie and I even had to have this conversation. I appreciate you doing a video about the incident as well, considering the size of your YT audience. Your last point “My freedom doesn’t end when your fear begins”, is a very good way to put it.
@@HappyGouldianFinch-cl3swdoes not matter why did they entered her house in the first place? After their search were completed, that should have been their interaction with her. They should’ve left, instead they force their way into her home. Kick rocks, and eat Sh*t.
She offered on her own. The officer never wanted her to take care of it. No copyright. Copy and past anywhere you want It happened like this. 1. She was searching her ID card 2. The shooter gave a SILENT hand signal to his partner, intending to command him to check the stove. This hand signal is intended to be hidden from her sight, since the shooter saw her face was down, busying searching. 3. Unfortunately she saw it! And offerred to take care of it herself, and started walking. 4. The shooter agrees with it since she was quite friendly up to this point. Everything is on tape. Prejudice distorting people mind. More about the stove. The most natural way of taking care of a stove is to shut off the gas. That is ALL she should ever do. Full Stop. This is not the time to lift the pot and rinse its water at the sink, or boiling eggs for your dinner. The police is waiting for your ID card. Before the police came, what was she possibly be doing with the boiling water? She boiled water, and the rinse it to the sink? Serving what purpose? If she was cooking then why not leaving the pot on the stove and resume cooking afterwards. Not only she went out of her activity of searching ID card to go to the stove, she unneededly move the pot from the stove to the sink, which is nearer to him. This is suspicious level one Plus the i rebuke you element it is a red alert, and warrant drawing a gun.
Regardless, that is not a reason for deadly force she called the police because she needed help. I have family in the military and law-enforcement, and they think this is despicable. I pray that this Horn lip goes to jail for the rest of his life.
@@The10CodeMindset The only person with any basis to claim self defense in this situation was Sonya Massey. The deputy's threat to kill her and aiming his pistol at her was criminal and a massive civil rights violation in itself. She was being attacked in her own home by a man with a gun. She could have ducked behind the counter, grabbed a gun, and lawfully killed him in self defense. The fact that the deputy claimed self defense for a situation of his own making is reprehensible. It's really not any different than if he'd run out into traffic and shot the driver of an oncoming car because it was about to hit him.
I bet their gonna find out that officer was also drinking while on duty which makes you anxious. All the officers knew this I bet. He had been transferred to cover up his DUIs. 😢😢😢😢
I am tired of hearing about the pot. There was never any danger from that pot because when she took the pot off the stove she took it to the sink and poured the water out. The officer turned away as she was doing it, but you can hear the water in the sink right before she turned on the faucet. There was never a threat of boiling water as they BOTH saw her pour it out.
@@moniqueyoung9656 with all you said above.. would you care to explain what hits the entry way of the kitchen floor? when she does throw the pot (you’re claiming is empty)??? & if you do explain please make sure to add where the steam coming off the floor in that same area would be from??? no matter how much you continue to believe that, it doesn’t change the reality. it doesn’t change what his lawyer will without a doubt show in court. smh.. & if you honest to god believe boiling water is not a threat then i completely understand. that’s you. but what you don’t realize is none of that matters if he found it to be a threat to cause him bodily harm. which given the fact it’s proven to cause 2nd degree burns & very harmful if it does hit your face or neck area- your opinion or thought on whether it’s a threat or not is completely irrelevant. the real argument should be that, it almost seems they charged him with 1st degree as a loophole cause it won’t take the best lawyer to prove that not only did he make it clear he perceived her phrase as a threat but once she threw that pot, he now whether anyone agrees or not has a defense. that’s the real issue here!!!! & what people should be concerned with. watching multiple lawyers & even a assistant district prosecutor say that this man has a 50/50 chance of walking away unscathed by charges is the sickening part, is the problem.
@@triiileigh It doesn't matter if he misunderstood what clearly was not a threat. It has to be objectively reasonable, and no reasonable officer would believe she was a threat to kill or seriously injure either deputy. His threat to shoot her in the face, followed by aiming his pistol at her head, IS a clear threat giving her the right to defend herself against him, an armed attacker in her home.
@@triiileigh She poured the boiling water in the sink and turned the faucet on, so there may have been hot water in the pot, but she had NO POT IN HER HAND WHEN THEY TOLD HER TO DROP THE POT. Now, please miss me with the threat of how hot boiling water is because he came to her, she was on the floor afraid. If he was so terrified, he could have stayed his ass in the living room. Please miss me with this bullshit.
@@moniqueyoung9656honestly it doesn’t matter at this point. she shouldn’t of been killed, i’m just not willing to ignore reality & say it was never thrown. cause you can see the pot & all the water with steam land in the entry way. he STILL GOT NO JUSTIFICATION WITH THIS BEING SAID.
6:39 is a great point…the officers clearly didn’t wanna be there and they honestly did not address the issue. When an intruder is in a yard and sees Police, that intruder would of course LEAVE! They said they didn’t see anyone, okay, but why not CARE enough to focus on the purpose of the call, ask her if she can provide more details, sit around longer and canvas the area, ask if she has any idea who it could possible be, etc….SOMETHING1. Instead, they created an entire false narrative, and even after they murdered her in cold blood, they still kept telling tons and tons of lies not just at the scene, but even afterwards lied and said she committed suicide, as well as that the intruder murdered her. This is corruption with the officer, his partner, but also the Police Department as well. Why did the family find out from social media she was murdered by police? This entire situation is disgusting and I don’t know how many times we black folks have to keep saying this happens to us ALL THE TIME?
No copyright. Copy and paste it anywhere you want. It happened like this. 1. He said drop the fking pot 2. She said ok i am sorry, lay down the pot ON THE SINK COUNTER, and cowering down 3. He moved forward as he now lost the line of sight of her, so he could restore line of sight. 4. She stand up lethally fast, hands reaching to the pot full of hot water on the sink, and threw in his direction. 5. In this one or two seconds of throwing movement, he open fire, hitting her chest and brain. 6. The pot half successfully thrown, fly over and landed on the the black swivel chair. 7. Hot water content splash mostly on the chair, some on the walkway, almost reaching his feet. So amazed that people can fill in the blank with their own prejudice and imagination, without realizing that maybe it might not happen as they think. Note: it was SHE who offerred to take care of the pot. He never asked her to go. In fact, he didnt want her to go and resort to using silent hand signal to his partner, commanding him to go check it, but unfortunately she looked up and saw it. Everything is on tape, how come you guys failed to see is beyond my expectation. Gosh i have to copy this i dont want to type this again.
yep i just made a comment here as well, what they are putting out is so dangerous on so many levels.. how are they retired law enforcement or whatever they said & not realizing the magnitude of their words???? the world is going to be outraged when this man doesn’t get convicted of first degree murder:. all because literally every news outlet & all this “reaction” videos are spreading a false narrative. completely sickening.
He told her to go turn off the water. I don't get that. If you're worried about the water and you're a trained cop, why not turn it off yourself? Why are they in her house for a prowler call? He also was aggressive from the very beginning.
What a incompetent expert. He doesn't know why the woman reached up for the pot. She reached up to take the pot from the counter to place it on the floor, because the officer CONTINUED to order her to put the pot down even after it was already down on the counter, so she thought since the officer is still ordering her to put it down, she thought in her mind maybe he meant DOWN ON THE FLOOR, so she picked it up to place it on the floor, but when she picked it up HE STARTED FIRING AT HER. A miscommunication. This officer's confusing orders caused an already confused individual to not understand him.
I totally agree with you.. She didn’t throw the water at him, I think she was confused by him keep saying drop the f ing pot when the pot was on the edge of the sink. She reached up to get the pot and this bastard shot her
He is like little slight things given room for there to be a option of maybe it was unlawful on her part or it could be a little bit, threatening or confusing to the officer the way I hear it because there’s no way that you don’t know working that long and type of work you do that she pose no threat to this guy at this time, but that he was confusing her cause she had already put the pot down so why wouldn’t you know why she reached back up to get the pot obviously she’s confused she trying to do what he said maybe he wants it on the floor and she duck and put her hands up because she scared he’s already threatening her and coming in closer so I don’t know The way you know things are
Sir, there was a small blue bucket right at her feet where she would be in a tripping situation when trying to get up. She was murdered! My prayers for the family. Also, I wanted to thank you and Mr. Stevens for everything.
When she crouched down the first time and left the pot on the STOVE he CONTINUED to scream DROP THE POT that is why she reached back up and grabbed it. 🙄😒
