De-Restricted E Bike Vs Road Bike | Which Is Faster?

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One race track, three challenges. Which is faster: GCN's powerhouse on a weird bike with funny handlebars? Or our very own Chris Smith; on a derestricted, slick tyred, racing machine? We headed to Castle Combe to pit E-MTB against road bike and find out ⚡️
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@23chrischen 4 года назад

"Going full time trial for this one" wears clothing one step short of a parachute

@embn 4 года назад

Chris has gone full aero before and it wasn't something he was willing to repeat!

@aldude9511 4 года назад

Also constantly tilting his head down which negates a lot of the aero benefits of the TT helmet.

@ojanssensande 4 года назад

:D almost laughed my head off, this was so funny :)

@ojanssensande 4 года назад

@@aldude9511 more like negates every benefit. Yeah thought so, too! :)

@chriskoutroulis4531 4 года назад

@@embn Oh poor thing.. did his tummy show too much?

@KnigthMare69 4 года назад

Idk why but seeing roadies sprinting, it's just beautiful. It's like art

@albr4 4 года назад

look at pictures of Caleb Ewan sprinting.

@mulletmoore5811 4 года назад

They look gay as usual

@liaml.7529 4 года назад

@@mulletmoore5811 your mum's gay

@mulletmoore5811 4 года назад

liam L lol roadies are fucked up

@red2lucas 4 года назад

Must be the tight pants on their asses

@luketerry9638 4 года назад

Conclusion; Chris Opie is a machine! 💪

@Rascularvideos 4 года назад

Yep, that’s my take. He’s the proper machine in this.

@icicleflow 4 года назад

Opie OP

@R_C420 4 года назад

E-bike with dead battery VS Cyclist who hasn't eaten all day.

@ljrandom147 4 года назад

Yo that's a good challenge

@EamonnSeoigh 4 года назад

Sounds like a race.....

@amightysailingman 4 года назад

Cyclist who hasn't drank all day and with no water bottles or hydration bladder.

@VisualKIt.Studios 4 года назад

This sounds more like a chellenge!

@techmech3893 4 года назад

@@ljrandom147 yeah

@mikeymike1792 4 года назад

Man. Opie in full sprint is a majestic sight.

@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ 4 года назад

Round two with swapped bikes!!!!

@tamasvarga67 4 года назад

TomaCukor Haha... that would be something. Chris would pass out at the end of the first race. :)

@albr4 4 года назад

@@tamasvarga67 I think he would get lapped for sure.

@diegovillacrez8349 3 года назад

Why do they never do that?!

@thomasthomas144 3 года назад

Here here

@robertandleslieobrien8398 4 года назад

Next should be Clarkson on e-bike vs Hammond on road bike. Have May set things up and explain how things are done so add 4 hours to the test.

@mrskeltal3281 4 года назад

Hammonds knee is shot after that last car crash. A goat on an e-bike would win never mind a fat Clarkson.

@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 4 года назад

Who cares about that Clarkson tosser.

@girlsdrinkfeck 4 года назад

@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 i sense jealousy

@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 4 года назад

@@girlsdrinkfeck not at all...he is a slob. Simple. Ask his ex.

@girlsdrinkfeck 4 года назад

@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 a rich slob

@charlestoast4051 4 года назад

What's the point in wearing an aero helmet when he's wearing baggy, extremely poor aero clothes?

@TheVinokourov 4 года назад

Because this channel is dogsh1t

@Metal-Possum 4 года назад

Or when his bike won't go a bean over 50kph... At best he's just saving a few watts, not increasing his speed.

@MrHuddy 4 года назад

Because it's funny!

@Bryanmade 4 года назад

And he’s on the wrong eBike. Should have been a Specialized Creo!

@dirface 4 года назад

He's got help up to 50, so until he passes that, he could have a concrete block on his head.

@hutchmusician 4 года назад

'Going full time trial on this one...' *Unlocks suspension* *Puts on pyjamas*

@shiina0232 3 года назад

like wtf man

@mpick9404 4 года назад

44mph on the flat 🚀 Wow Chris 💪 I need to be fully tucked on a steep downhill to hit that speed! 👴😂

@robiulahmed 4 года назад

Marc Pickersgill Tell me about it, I freak out at 28mph downhill!

@mpick9404 4 года назад

@@robiulahmed I know what you mean! 😂 Sobering video that. I think I'm doing alright (ish, for my age) then a machine 🤖 like Chris O gives a harsh reality check 😔😅

@robiulahmed 4 года назад

@@mpick9404 Hey, it's all fun and games, the main thing is that we enjoy it and it's keeping us healthy. We'll leave the madness to the pros!

@mpick9404 4 года назад

@@robiulahmed All so true. Just keep on keeping on eh 👍😊

@robert8077 4 года назад

Arm Head I done 36 mph downhill on bicycle and speed camera flash 🤣 but if camera turned off won’t work so gotta find one that switch on

@brettm1501 4 года назад

Puts on aero helmet.... wears parachute baggies... looks down at computer whole time. Comon.

@julz19 3 года назад

Still not gonna beat op

@PassiveTerrorField 4 года назад

It's not just the difference in those 2 cyclists' power. It's also the cassette's limits. This Haibike has an 11-46 cassette, meaning the smallest sprocket has 11 teeth. A 10 teeth or a 9 teeth sprocket would make a huge difference. While the e-motor helps you reach the top speed faster and with less effort, it cannot push you further than that.

@MrKrueger88 4 года назад

What sort of clown doesn’t lock the front suspension ?!!!!! I mean really , if you want max power ... lock it down !!!

@markush7001 4 года назад

So the test was....a motor vs. Chris Opie. I hope GCN brakes down the power numbers.

@tamasvarga67 4 года назад

Markus H Yeah... even a derestricted ebike couldn’t beat a proper fit rider.

@freshturns_snowboarding 4 года назад

Technically it's all still power-to-weight ratio so with a 30lb e-bike Smith's ratio drops big times and he has to work harder to produce torque that comes easier to Opie with a MUCH better power-to-weight ratio and fully rigid suspension. There's a recent EMBN video where they do something similar with lightweight enduro bikes and it all comes down to power-to-weight. There's definitely something to be said about someone with a better ratio than Smith performing better in the contest, but even more so about someone with a worse ratio doing significantly worse (since the e-bike would down-multiply their lesser force). A weaker rider would have been thrashed by Opie. Not saying one deserved to do significantly better than the other but there's a whole lot more at play than "a motor," which I'm sure GCN will explain to you if they do break this down...

@tamasvarga67 4 года назад

Jrod Sicotte That hardtail ebike is not 30kg but ~20-22. Power to weight? Yeah, an overweight lazy ebike rider with the help of a 250W motor is still less powerful than a fit rider without a motor. No need to analyze much... 😀

@markush7001 4 года назад

@@tamasvarga67 lol....agreed. I ride both off-road and on, and I laugh that some of the best times on our trails are all at the governed speed of e-bikes. That's not so much as power to weight that is that I'm not faster than a motor. They are nice to draft in the wind though.

@mariconor242 4 года назад

@@tamasvarga67 I have a similar model ebike but ride my road bike mostly. Over my 30km commute my times are very similar, the ebike keeps my climbing the hills at 30kph but the road bike I claw the time back due to the higher speeds. Difference is seen in a higher heart rate, road bike is harder (15 to 20%) work but more fun. When I'm tired I'll break out the ebike. Both have a place in my life.

@uptheduffagain 4 года назад

SPOILER ALERT,the fastest bike was the the one in front with the camera

@hutchmusician 4 года назад

Really nice to see Opie with an opportunity to show off his flat-out power. That first sprint was really exhilarating to watch.

@techmech3893 4 года назад

9:58 what's the use of that aero helmet while wearing pajamas and a non aero bike ?

@tonyfranklin8306 4 года назад

All in the mind, the amount he was moving his head he'd have been better off with no helmet at all.

@philippvolkemer3846 4 года назад

that what I thought

@julz19 3 года назад

You think he's gonna beat oppie even with track cyclist discipline, full speed suit with an emb?

@jaspreetsidhu5708 3 года назад

@@julz19 he would have gained an extra 1-2km/h and even greater if he got lower etc.

@pavanatanaya 4 года назад

A fair test of this might be to have each rider ride each bike on each circuit

@stephenmacey8313 4 года назад

pavanatanaya it’s just a fun video just sit back and enjoy

@paulroberts7775 4 года назад

I wonder what their times would have been if they had swapped bikes?

@super-sim1665 4 года назад

Would have been the opposite result for sure

@backpacker3421 4 года назад

@@super-sim1665 Not even close. Opie has superior aero positioning, superior power, and superior high cadence form. These things matter a lot regardless of what you are riding, once you get above about 15mph. He would probably have clocked faster times on the EMTB than Smith did on all three legs, but definitely on the long stretch, and Smith would not have been as fast as Opie on the aerobike, or even particularly close.

@tamasvarga67 4 года назад

carol Roberts Just do the math... Chris’s power + the motor wasn’t enough to beat the roadie guy I guess the difference after three races would be close to a minute.

@gianmarcocostanzo1380 4 года назад

On the same road bike, on the 8 minutes (two laps) effort, Opie is 2 minutes faster than Smith easy. With an electric engine probably the difference is a bit smaller as there was a limit with gears.

@albr4 4 года назад

Opie would've won by a huge margin if that were the case, he's an athlete and has much greater power & fitness than Chris. I'd expect Opie would do about twice the power of Chris on the TT so if you added the E-bike to Opie then he would be maxing out the gears at 110 rpm through the whole 2 laps as opposed to the 80rpm or so that Chris did on the E-bike.

@8o5c4 4 года назад

GCN’s Dan Lloyd on his Pinarello Nytro de-restricted would be a interest, see if the motor could turn back the clock. 😆

@993mike 4 года назад

A test with a new derestricted Specialized Creo e-road bike would have been amusing

@jochem1986 4 года назад

How about a derestricted BMC Alpenchallenge Amp Road? 14 kg with an 80Nm STEPS motor...

@kmac720 4 года назад

And honestly a more accurate test. To make it really fair put a rider of Opie's caliber on it too. This test was designed to make e-bikes look like they aren't as much of an advantage as they really are. Opie on a Turbo Creo unrestricted would destroy the times he put up on the Dogma.

@tech518b9 4 года назад

With powerful unrestricted e bikes the question really is whether they are still bikes or already motorcycles with a little paddle support.

@kmac720 4 года назад

@@tech518b9 They are all mopeds, period. (The definition being a low powered motorized bicycle.) Any e-bike can be unrestricted.

@jochem1986 4 года назад

kmac720 ok boomer

@cyclenutter2715 4 года назад

Well yeah his name's Chris OP

@kwintin 4 года назад

I love EMBN's attitude - chillmasters! :)

@danytheunicorn95 4 года назад

woww that boi has legs allright. Great video!

@evanreeves5966 4 года назад

Opie seemed pretty happy with the result. Good work

@UenoLocker54 4 года назад

Riding a track like that looks extremely fun.

@rplawrance 4 года назад

Great video guys, really enjoyed it... well done!

@lambert463 4 года назад

a little 250 watt !! Wow you Britts go big lol

@nstrug 4 года назад

Jesus, Opie’s sprint at the start. Well over 1200W I would imagine.

@vetleslemdahl5725 4 года назад

nstrug 1600+

@kritan84 4 года назад

He has in an earlier video on this channel cited 1600+W

@jeffbrunton3291 4 года назад

The ladies can do 1200....

@petef15 3 года назад

@@vetleslemdahl5725 Not for 30s. 1200w would be very impressive for 30s

@najibnajmudin512 4 года назад

Love Opie's sprinting posture 👍

@JamiePineappleWyatt 4 года назад

Absolutely amazing to see Opie smacking the crap out of that derestricted E-Bike! Both of you should be damn proud of those times too. I’d like to see this test done again with a more realistic 350-500watt mid drive with all the gears, not really fair to have a bike made for climbing hills race a bike built for speed, so even with that 2 second lead all you’d need is one more gear to catch the time you lost. (I ride a derestriced 500w bpm Bafang hub in a 20”, which secretly runs 4kw on the flat and tops out at 70 odd km/h with no pedalling, I too suffered under gearing being only a single speed folding bike)

@unchewable1 4 года назад

Love your guys stuff another fun one that i have been doing in real life lol. Great sound tracks too guys keep up the great stuff.

@luckycstriker 4 года назад

Vintage Need for Speed like soundtrack fits so well !

@adanielweaver 4 года назад

Opie was like what about elbows? Smith said get as aero as you want. Opie gave that look like nah, I was gonna push you into the grass.

@xxMissSummerxx1 4 года назад

Chris opie and Chris Smith two legends ..great video 👍

@bleskiven 4 года назад

Great to see Opie having learned from the sprinting position video, as he picks the "Classic Cav"

@SoundSpeeding 4 года назад

Did he even lock out his shocks for this??? Seems like he didn't

@brianburdett3463 4 года назад

It's a hardtail, dude

@shaggy.patches 4 года назад

The fork was definitely unlocked, bouncing around the whole time.

@cwuzii 4 года назад

Brian Burdett front...

@brianburdett3463 4 года назад

@@cwuzii Its called a fork or suspension fork.

@cwuzii 4 года назад

Brian Burdett but still, you knew what he was on about 🤣

@weksauce 4 года назад

"de-restricted" 250W dink motor. I bought the cheapest eBay conversion kit, and pushed around 1200W. WTF

@TheCraigy83 4 года назад

Wait till you realise a cordless drill can turn a 250kg winch turning a 52t - 11t

@KandiKlover 3 года назад

Yeah EU ebikes are pathetic and a joke lmao

@somethingelse9535 3 года назад

@@KandiKlover That's because eMTB's are about exercise, not transport or sitting on a moped. They want to go mountain biking, have fun and get fit. The motor is only there to help with the killer hills.

@fackerhidonbush8420 3 года назад

@@somethingelse9535 but you can have 600w and put it on lower

@somethingelse9535 3 года назад

@@fackerhidonbush8420 Really, 250w is enough, there is no hill steep enough 250w cannot handle because limits of traction hit you before that. But i like deristricted, its no use on the trail, but sometimes i go on road between trails and 250w is enough to cuise at 35 to 40km/h. Burning 600w (950w peak) just eats your battery. I like how my 522wh battery is good for 4 hours, no need for something huge.

@robplay8283 4 года назад

I think it is time to bring back the "old" bike vault... Super nice!!!

@cliffsangelsphotography 4 года назад

Great vid. I love these crossovers. Can we get Chris Opie on an EMTB?

@backpacker3421 4 года назад

I was thinking the exact same thing. To make this video fair, they should have swapped bikes and run it all again. Opie would have killed it.

@petef15 3 года назад

He rides one on his own channel now

@PandTPoultry 4 года назад

brilliant video :)

@vincef7487 4 года назад

Chris Smith just needed to switch into some skin tight LYCRA! 😜

@darkmann12 4 года назад

the blake samson + sam pilgrim methods lol

@bustergoddess 4 года назад

Vince F ....and comparable gearing?

@6Shine6down6 4 года назад

Switching to lycra would have him won haha

@trevorhayes5414 4 года назад

I was waiting for him to emerge from a trailer in a full on timetrial skinsuit, aerosocks & maybe even a clip-on tri bar!!! 😁

@hanskoot6254 4 года назад

You are entirely right! The long trousers and cold wind are a huge disadvantage also. Far from ideal for fast laptimes.

@5492sparky 4 года назад

Great vid and great effort both.

@denselvq 4 года назад

that road bike swaying when sprinting looks majestic !

@wizbangdiving 4 года назад

I would like to have seen road bike CHRIS do the first two tests on the e-bike for times.

@jedimanultra 4 года назад

I mean I proved this a few weeks ago on a ride around Richmond park, E Biker thought he had passed me and left me for dead, to see me fly by 5 seconds later and I didn’t see him after that 😂😂

@ianiscaratti4924 4 года назад

mehdi neched you must have ego problems

@jedimanultra 4 года назад

Ianis Caratti nope. I just like to initiate mini races with people (most will race me back)

@NILoaNtFaCkBa 4 года назад

@@ianiscaratti4924 it's all fun and games

@Interdiction 4 года назад

@@jedimanultra I would have you for sure but I have yet to be overtaken when i use my recumbent

@scottmcelhiney323 4 года назад

@@Interdiction When I was in a bit better shape, my cruising speed was about 4mph faster on my Rans Tailwind recumbent than on my custom CIOCC I had built in 1985. Neither with a motor... my electric conversions are much much faster, especially up hills where it makes sense.

@FixedLondon98 4 года назад

Does anyone know which editing programme they use to render to overhead view of the track with the blue points going around it? Would very much appreciate the name of the programme! Thanks

@Franksey180 4 года назад

Unusual comparison but a great video, nicely done. Saw a bit of suspension movement on Chris's bike, I take it it was locked out as much as possible?

@web0z 4 года назад

Lol baggy clothes,cycle computer and watch oh and the front mudguard,got to ask on the third how does Chris start off with no chesty then all of a sudden a chesty 🤷🏻‍♂️🙈,somebody is having a laugh 😂

@davidking3699 4 года назад

put the roadie on the e-bike and see how his leg watts add to the motor watts... power meters on the pedals would have shown the data of how much the motor added... round 2 - Chris Smith on the Greyp he rode a few months back... win at all costs...

@super-sim1665 4 года назад

Definitely more power out of the ebike. They always more than 800 watts when pedaling hard.

@backpacker3421 4 года назад

That actually would have made this video MUCH better. Make the Chrises swap bikes and see how the numbers change. I bet Smith still loses, and all three events this time.

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 4 года назад

Now imagine that with a full carbon road bike with electronically assisted boost.. 😏

@backpacker3421 4 года назад

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks You don't have to imagine. They exist.

@daemn42 4 года назад

Problem is, all pedal assist bikes gradually decrease the motor assistance as they go faster and eventually drop it to to zero when you hit their limit (even a de-restricted bike, which often just doubles the original low speed limit), leaving the rider doing 100% of the work. The trick is to find just the right balance of motor assist + rider power and stay exactly at that speed. If you try to exceed that speed, the rider will just wear themselves out that much quicker and eventually have to back off, with no net gain in average speed. The roadie could probably have gone ever so slightly faster overall, but not by much, and probably would have worked just as hard as on the non-e-bike.

@likeher9 4 года назад

Fantastic video Chris (Smith)! Well both of you really, Chris Opie, a machine! But this film does go to show what great levellers ebikes are. And this probably the emtb's weakest dicipline, (short sample size) when you own an ebike you quickly realise they're about so much more! They do totally change your life. For virtually everyone, not just athletic machine's.

@p199a 4 года назад

finaly video i have been waiting for

@okantichrist 4 года назад

Getting some motorcycle love there 🤣

@billinhouston3291 4 года назад

Nice draft...

@GregLanz 4 года назад

Not sure why Chris Smith kept claiming he was running out of gears, unless his max cadence is like 90?

4 года назад

Because he can't "spin" at 95 😀

@soarstar 4 года назад

It wasn't gears, it was volts. All the gears in the world won't help you when you reach that threshold.

@clovioushoofus3928 4 года назад

ha yeah kept complaining about running out of gears and spinning out but looked like he was barely hitting 70 rpm

@atnfn 4 года назад

Well I have an e-bike with a Bosch Performance CX motor and it definitely would go faster if it had higher gears. There are videos of people changing the front sprocket and going significantly faster. I haven't done that though, cause I don't know if that would be good for the motor. Of course he wasn't using a Bosch e-bike, I don't know what the gears are like on the Yamaha e-bikes. However he said in the video that the bike was only de-restricted to 50km/h and he said his max speed was 37mph (about 60km/h). That means the motor didn't actually help at the higher speeds. So kinda useless test. Perhaps they should have used a different e-bike. Bosch motors can be de restricted to 99km/h, of course they never reach that, but there wouldn't have been the 50km/h limit.

@atnfn 4 года назад

@@clovioushoofus3928 He said the bike was still restricted to 50km/h, if you listen to the start of the video again. And they were going faster than that (at least opie was). Not the best e-bike to use really.

@sixtysecondsofstephens2386 4 года назад

Awesome. Best challenge yet.

@caperider1160 4 года назад

Awesome sprinting by Chris!!

@Alvin2Wheel 4 года назад

Chris Opie took years of hard training to hit those speed and timing numbers whilst Chris Smith (or anybody) can hit similar timings with e-bike. That's my take away.

@weichentechnikk8083 4 года назад

so the message you received is what ? doesn't matter if you are lazy, just spend thousands on e-bike and feel cool ?

@blagovestzaimov3455 4 года назад

you don't need an extra gear, but extra strength. From what i saw in the video, your cadance was under 90.

@harryhollaway 4 года назад

Blagovest Zaimov ebike motors favour a lower cadence to cater to the extra torque the motor produces at lower cadences, higher gearing can be much more favourable to feel the full power of the motor

@wakeywarrior 3 года назад

Love my E- bike as well as my mountain and road bike. Different bikes for different days when I’m feeling different. Road bike when I fancy a long hard slog up the big hills near me. Mountain bike mainly for XC when I’m feeling full of beans- 25-45 miles. E-Bike when I either want to put on eco and do 50 miles, or put on a higher setting and blast 35 miles in an hour and a half and have some fun- and you still get a real sweat on at those speeds.

@bennywilson9 4 года назад

Love your vids

@antonpeterson1245 4 года назад

Mr Smith I noticed the front forks were not locked out. That my of helped with your initial getaways on the starts.

@jasper_of_puppets 4 года назад

I have a feeling that for these kinds of 'vs' videos, they purposely leave out certain details that would increase the e-bike's advantage just so things appear more competitive and interesting for the viewer.

@slickrock1371 4 года назад

You believe active front shocks help in a sprint?

@antonpeterson1245 4 года назад

@@slickrock1371 I didn't say that. I merely suggested that Chris should have stopped (locked out) the front suspension to minimise any wastage of energy on the starts.

@MattiRemonen_Hki 4 года назад

Er... is it just me but Mr Smith looks very much like Judge Dredd with that aero-helmet...

@backpacker3421 4 года назад

The funniest thing about it was that the helmet was soooooo not the problem. No matter how low he got, his wind profile was truly massive by road bike standards.

@manhuntbeos 4 года назад

Ty this video was very interesting :)

@johnreese3762 3 года назад

And you guys are still alive!

@tjgato 4 года назад

Has anyone tried this with a de restricted e road bike?

@alfredfeuerstein9517 4 года назад

Bruno sooo much pooooowweeer: hold my beer😝😜

@SA-pc3gs 4 года назад

These guys are geniuses! I'm jealous they're getting paid to have that much funn!

@mrmcallum 4 года назад

Kiwi just getting used to riding again, here. You guys make it look fun.

@FreeMTrider 4 года назад

44 mph! Absolutely fast sprint Chris!

@scottmcelhiney323 4 года назад

I really didn't know it was possible to hit that on a flat without a paceline on a road bike... very very impressive.

@barneyklingenberg4078 4 года назад

@@scottmcelhiney323 I didn't know it was possible with a slow as F rolling start within 1000 meters. In the past it was possible for me to approach that speed (69-70 kph) But that was with unlimited space (3-4km) and at first slowly get in aero position to reach 40kph without much watts used and at relatively low heartrate.

@Mububban23 4 года назад

Love the videos, but the music level on the time trial section was so loud I had to turn sound off, as the iOS app was still too loud at lowest volume using earphones

@KevinWakliFitness 4 года назад

Awesomely Done!!!

@tyester 4 года назад

Hope to see a future vid of the F12 vs the new Dyodo!

@ljadf 4 года назад

I tried this on my commute... the results differed somewhat.

@gonadman2 4 года назад

I've only ever had one guy overtake me on my Luna E-bike (45km/h 750W) and I've only ever been overtaken on Hills on my Propel road bike by E-bikes. On the flats I have them almost every time.

@scottmcelhiney323 4 года назад

@@gonadman2 I can cruise at about 35mph on the flats with my 52v 20ah setup on my Gary Fisher mountain bike conversion or my Greenspeed GTO, both circa 1999. One has a Bafang BBHSD (Gary Fischer) and the other a Lunacycle hubmotor conversion on the rear that is programmed for 1800 watts and with a 63 tooth chainring up front and a Sunrace 10 speed freewheel on the back I can spin around 90rpm at 36mph. Can maintain around 30mph up around a 6% grade. I'd love to put one of those unrestricted into a full on velomobile... those can hit 30-45mph on 250 watts depending on how aero of one you choose. 24 hour record in a velmobile of a bit over 30mph by a 59 year old Austrian... yeah, 30mph average with a velomobile... no motor. Give one 250 watts and a good battery and you'd probably add 10-15mph to the record with a few battery swaps on the fly.

@jamesgadd5322 4 года назад

He didn’t just win by 2 seconds. If you work out the % relative to how long each race was he absolutely smashed the ebike

@Scottx125Productions 4 года назад

Not really. The reason the E=bike lost was because of gearing. If you max out your gears you just have to spin faster and you'll hit that limit rather quickly. If he had a 50t chainset on the motor he could probably have gone faster.

@junboo8730 4 года назад

Scottx125 Productions Still it’s an e-bike. Even if he won everything it wouldn’t be amazing. I didn’t expect Opie to win that guy is really insanely fast.

@johnm91326 4 года назад

@@Scottx125Productions probably not, with 2.5 inch tires he'd spin out (130 rpm) at slightly above 45 mph. He didn't hit 120 rpm which is below what Chris would have done considering his gearing and tire size.

@albr4 4 года назад

@@johnm91326 yeah he kept complaining it's because he ran out of gears on the e-bike but you can see his cadence is so low, he didn't spin out at all. How many watts does the E-bike produce? 500? if it was 500 then the e-bike guy would've done around 1000w total whereas Opie probably hit around 1400w in the sprint and half of those watts on the e-bike would've been taken by aero drag and a much smaller amount taken from Opie.

@philipk4475 4 года назад

@@albr4 it said in the video the e-bike only has a 250 W motor. Seems like a pretty weak motor for an unrestricted e-bike, maybe they made a mistake?

@Unboxcityunboxcity 4 года назад

Opie what you doin’ here? Repping roadies well. Nice work bro.

@BikingwithJP 4 года назад

Riding out the gears on a non-ebike is very satisfying. Being in top gear and spinning your legs so fast that it feels like all HP and no torque. I wouldn't mind having an ebike help me back up hills though as climbing hills is not quite as thrilling haha.

@victorygo 4 года назад

Put a speed limit on those legs

@malmsey1541 4 года назад

8:20 "just spinning out the whole way" he was going at standard cadence for a roady, opie had a much higher cadence than him, how can he claim he is running out of gears.

@xviesulisx 4 года назад

Yamaha middrives goes way down on power when spinning higher cadence and then there no point in that motor.

@billinhouston3291 4 года назад

Had no idea that "spinning out" meant 80 rpm.

@tech518b9 4 года назад

The motor is designed to operate at lower rpms if he wants it to go faster he would need to increase the motor voltage. He would really have benefited from a higher gearing.

@xviesulisx 4 года назад

@@billinhouston3291 yeah, im supported cadence Bosch Performance line CX is one of the best middrives for much sportier riding within reasonable price range. I'm an older messenger and I know this. Put no less than 22t sprocket on that motor and in tailwind it can be cruised over 60km/h. In relatively flat city max achieved speed is 70km/h. Speedbox 2 makes all the difference removing 25km/h restriction.

@mikespringer7894 4 года назад

That was fun to watch👍

@bennyt.christensen3970 3 года назад

Nice of you guys, my respect for your manpower Opie 😎🚲👍

@davenorman8251 4 года назад

Now do the same test with Andy Kirby and the vapor..a real derestricted ebike can do well over 60kmh.

@jimhofoss9982 4 года назад

sure....win, win...until the battery goes flat. then Andy’s waiting for the battery to recharge. I luv my homemade e-bikes, but this super light roadbike is a marvel of engineering, too! My full suspension mtb with a 750 watt bafang mid drive, 52 tooth crank and nuvinci 360, eats these bikes on all three “challenges”. However, after an hour of hard riding, I’m a gonna be sucking wind hard, peddling a 48 lb bike with a dead 10 amp/hr battery😢

@ironman8257 4 года назад

@@jimhofoss9982 Would you make a video on your setup ? Im really interested in MTB+IGH+Motor.....please

@Pienimusta 4 года назад

Might just as well use MotoGP bike at that point. Makes just as much sense.

@TheWebstaff 4 года назад

@@jimhofoss9982 how's the 360 doing. I was always interested in one but hear they struggle with slipping on 1kw plus.

@jimhofoss9982 4 года назад

Dave Webster I haven’t had any issues...I am running the auto shift interface with mine. You can adjust your peddling cadence via a small bar mounted switch with up and down buttons. All shifting is automatic, always starts in lowest gear, from standstill....so motor is not using huge starting amps. I’ve climbed extreme grades, 35°....with a 32 tooth crank, total elevation 3000ft, on a small 10 amp/hr 48 volt lithium battery! Over the back torque! Change the crank to a 52 tooth for flatter riding, and you can achieve 40 mph without sweating much, unassisted maybe 35 mph. The Nuvinci has never slipped...and I push the bafang 750 watt mid drive to its max, pretty much all the time. I have heard that they are limited to how much power you push through the Nuvinci 360, tho.....I haven’t tried it with anything except the 750 Bafang....so I don’t know where the breaking point is....but so far the nuvinci has been flawless. The 2000 miles on it have not been “babied”... I have put it through the paces, and luv it! One chainline is simple, less maintenance, and still using the same chain. I do use a quality tensioner, because of the rear suspension. I think more than a kilowatt thru a bicycle chain WOULD result in chains breaking, and abnormal sprocket wear. cheers!

@skadi7423 4 года назад

Team GCN!!!

@johnbutler8326 4 года назад

The music is perfect

@berndbart3909 4 года назад

Very impressive. Great job for both athlets. At 9:46 ist looks like the unlocked suspension fork eats some power. The E-Bike is at least 3 times heavier than the race bike. Maybe more shifting will ease the start.

@kldstl 4 года назад

How both of you on a E-road bikes? Also, Chris, you would have been 2 kph faster with lycra.

@super-sim1665 4 года назад

Agree it makes a huge difference at 35mph he must have been putting out more watts to go slower.

@backpacker3421 4 года назад

Opie would have smashed it. Smith had no ability to get into anything like an aero position. If they'd been on the same equipment in the same clothes, Opie would have won all three, partly on aero positioning, and partly on leg power and cadence above the motor limitation.

@kldstl 4 года назад

@@backpacker3421 1000% agree. They need to do this challenge over

@kaif_ff2283 4 года назад

i don't think that it's a good idea to look down with an aero helmet

@simedinson984 4 года назад

its not

@trippinbillies41 4 года назад

I'm not entirely sure the aero helmet was anything but for laughs.... Probably an even worse idea to wear baggies with one ;)

@scottmcelhiney323 4 года назад

Helps keep you going straight unless you turn your head :)

@johnmann8253 4 года назад

What a amazing contest! It be helpful to compare a single rider on both bikes back to back and see the times. I’m guessing the average rider would benefit on the E bike.

@aggiesjc 4 года назад

Watching somebody fast on a road bike is a beautiful sight!

@KnigthMare69 4 года назад

I'm disappointed that GMBN has a variant called EMBN, but thinking of GCN I searched for ECN, and it's a channel about cricket

@efficientequilibrium2982 4 года назад

Ridiculous! De-restrict that thing properly first. Even with the speed "halver", you are restricted to 30mph after that it is you vs Chris Opie and Opie simply wipes the floor with you(it is not you running out of gears, it is motor cutting off). Chris Opie is amazing but with a properly de-restricted mid drive a fit rider will beat him...

@tech518b9 4 года назад

well some de-restricted / modded e bikes can go faster than every human with a untrained rider but where is the point when its basically a motorcycle in a bike frame

@ianmangham4570 4 года назад

@@tech518b9 Nah, to be classed as a moped or motorcycle it's all about WEIGHT, you just buy a lightweight mtb put a 250w front or rear hub motor in it then an esc with say 9 mosfets and 96v caps with around 60 amps and use a 96v 20ah BATTERY, then you have a 60mph lightweight flying machine. You just overvolt the bitch.

@chrisliddiard725 4 года назад

Assuming the motor doesn't cut out at a fixed speed, then the rider can add his energy to the motor's to achieve the higher speeds. The key would be the chainring and the highest gear. The blue rider says he ran out of gear, it was bottoming out. That's why he lost. Which begs the question how much higher was the red rider's gears.

@DerpEye 4 года назад

Bosch, Yamaha, Shimano, are good up to about 50km/h. Polini on the other hand....well, an untrained person could take it top 65km/h no problem, and it will go even faster.

@morganjenkins4924 3 года назад

Seeing the road bike take off like a rocket in the first challenge is so cool

@johncherry1870 4 года назад

Well done lads.

@LightBWK 4 года назад

In the end, who is more sore, that matters most.

@Bangandthedirtisgone 4 года назад

"The 15mph limit simply wouldn't hack it..." Tell me about it. Raising the limit to 28mph would make ebikes safer on the road and an infinitely more viable and attractive form of transport The slow restricted speed necessitates a greater frequency of overtaking which can lead to dangerous close passes and accidents. Not to mention impatience and frustration for drivers and anxiety for the cyclist as a result - one of sthe biggest deterrents for cyclists/ebikers to get on the road Shared use (pedestrian and cyclist) cycle paths should have a limit of 10mph If the UK government is serious about getting people on two wheels then it needs to raise the limit Cars can do 150-200mph yet have to keep to limits far lower - you wouldn't make a car restricted to 70mph

@devverge2516 4 года назад

Yes, indeed.

@mrskeltal3281 4 года назад

Maybe safer on road but not off road. I tried a derestricted Levo and it was terrifying. The power and torque is just too unpredictable at slow speeds. When it kicks in it could easily just fling you off the trail without warning. Not good.

@Bangandthedirtisgone 4 года назад

Mr Skeltal De restriction shouldn’t make any difference to the torque leading to the experience you had. All de restriction does is allow continued assistance beyond 15mph. Sounds like it was one of your first/formative e bike experiences? They can come as a shock if you’re not used to them but soon mastered. I used to have a levo too. I’m talking about road use here, yes.

@albr4 4 года назад

that sounds like a terrible idea and very unsafe... There would be E-bike riders with no experience of riding going around at 28mph, meaning that it would be a danger to pedestrians and to their own life. 22 mph is a more sensible restriction. There is no speed limit to regular bikes because your average person can't reach speeds high enough to cause serious accidents. Road cyclists that can cycle at 22-30 mph are going to be experienced and can handle their bike well, and have the skills to avoid accidents. You suggest that there should be 10mph limit on shared paths as well but it would not work and you would get e-bikers going 28mph on it... If the law was changed to allow e-bikes to go almost 30mph then there should also be a law that e-bikers have to wear protective gear, just like a motorcyclist...

@Bangandthedirtisgone 4 года назад

Alan Braaa Any relatively fit and strong person can hit 28 on a regular bike if they really push. Over 30 easily downhill. There is no speed limits currently on shared use paths and cyclists use their discretion making them pretty safe places for pedestrians so far. Yes, there maybe more frequency in people travelling at those speeds if ebikes were allowed to be assisted upto higher speeds but I still believe 99% of riders would know when, where and how to do so safely and manage their speed accordingly. With the development of technology in this area I believe a new class of vehicle needs to come into being. I believe in the continent they have a ‘high powered ebike’ category which we should have here. Maybe it could be subject to greater safety rules ie; yes, better safety equipment requirements, possible plates but should NOT be lumped in the same category as scooters/mopeds as it currently would be. Ebikes regardless of power are VASTLY more green and unpolluting than mopeds. They should have their own category.

@tommyestrada6464 4 года назад

Chris Opie you forgot to mention Ultra Gorgeous, it's my absolute dream road bike.

@theterrorwheel 4 года назад

Great collaboration :)

@lolshark99b49 4 года назад

Road: extremely fit and fast E-bike: fat guy

@nicknygaard4122 4 года назад

Only 250w?! That's almost nothing anymore. Mine is 1200w.

@lnrmedia208 4 года назад

Good mix of content,

@noonster55 3 года назад

Impressive, 40 plus mph 180 plus bpm on the flat for 8 minutes. If I remember, he even had a decent head wind...That Dogma is the bike to have for that...