Dead By Daylight All 8.0.0 Perk Changes 

So many need buffs. Some are so garbage they even need reworks.

@@dineez627visionary, this is not happening, every teamwork perk, poised, so much more

Who the hell uses premonition or spine chill? This is not happening? Calm spirit? Etc so many perks are so useless they become obsolete and not even worth using Legit like 200 perks are useless which is why it never feels like there’s any good builds to run. Because they all suck unless they’re meta. But if it’s meta, it’s tryhard/boring to play against. It’s so stupid. Just fix the old perks and we will have variety.

They buffed buckle up and look what happened 💀

@@Ian23416 You’re right, then they nerfed it. But even with the nerf it looks like a decent perk. A speed boost after a heal can be the difference between life and death so if possible I’d like to try that out Yes, without “for the people” because I’m not here to annoy the killer but rather help my survivors… ya know… survive in order to escape Also if you really want to do the buckle up tech, you can still use Made for this and We’re gonna live forever Made for this gives YOU endurance And We’re gonna live forever you a + 100% healing speed on downed survivors and if you took a protection hit or saved someone off hook, the downed survivor will also gain endurance Yes it’s not as good as buckle up and for the people but if people genuinely want to try to get value like that again, they’re gonna have to try harder instead of using a easy combo everyone and their mom can do. I’m glad it was nerfed because it was too easy to pull off. And even then, I’m sure people will try to do stuff with this new “rework” on buckle up. I can only assume someone will try flashlight saves with a bootleg “background player” on a downed survivor. Weird idea but not the worst.

Exactly, they nerfed it, buffed it, and then another nerf, absolutely insane

They should have toned it down to 25% and made it so that repeat hooks (2 hooks on Meg in a row) wont activate it to reduce its efficiency when tunneling.

20% of the current progression is like, so bad. On average you'll get a 10% value (it doesn't matter to say "you don't kick gens with low %done, because the same applies to high percentages gens, they usually get done by survivors before you get to them).

i think pain res shouldve been -20 and pop -25, idk why pop is now -20 too

​@@jackmatutum7747No because then it would only get 4 uses just like Pain Res and Grim Embrace

Honestly just make it 25% instead of 30 or 20. Perfect middle ground. It aint rocket science Behavior, lol

It already got gimped by making it 30% of current progression instead of total, this is just the final nail in the coffin.

@@sadsenmmxvi I think 30% of total is too strong. If it was 20% of total, then I think it would be fine. 25% of current would also be fine. But sweet baby jesus 20% of current might as well be close to nothing.

As survivor main with 4000 hours is a nightmare that your teammates go down every 30 seconds and you cant finish a single gen (literally). So It's healthy in that way.

@@madpixelytAs someone who plays both survivor and killer with 3k hours, if ur teammates suck that’s not the perk being a problem, we can’t nerf perks based on bad teammates cuz that just makes good teams too strong

agreed, invocation was so terrible and unfair at it's current state

now i have more reasons to tunnel or slug survivors on the ground 🥰

@@thedutywarlord264​​⁠me when I want to look for attention in he comment sections 🤣🤡🥴

@@thedutywarlord264this man is such a salty k main lmfaoooooooo. I’ve run 🏃 into like 6 of his crybaby wah wah wah killer comments rofl. 😭😫. He needs help yah!

You being a whiny bitch survivor main ​@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN

Also now everyones gonna use invocation so now the gens are gonna pop even faster☠️

Bro you act like Pain res and pop are suddenly unusable. They are perfectly fine and will more than likely still be used.

@@bonechiller3429 pop is actually ruined its no longer worth useing

​@@TheFellahMachine pop is definitely worse and more of the time now I won't run it but to say it's not worth using is either proving that you only want to run busted meta perks or that you're overreacting to something that ain't that deep

​@@bonechiller3429Pop is useless now. Idk why there focused on nerfing Gen defense. It's already in a decent state. Plus the game is already survivor sided so it's making another issue worse.

Lol ok

Fact.

And what do you think they should nerf about "Gen Rushers" since then they'd have to nerf Tunneling/Camping too as they are two sides of the same coin...

@@Grey-po3lz Nerf the Toolboxes for example. They take away so much from the killers, it would be just fair.

@@Grey-po3lz Or nerf the speed when 2 or more work on a gen together. It isn't called gen-rushing for no reason.

Idk the trade off is quite steep considering if youre caught off guard once youre just gonna go down

Top tier killers will still have zero issues with gen defense due to their mobility options and/or general strength in chase. If you're good with any one of the top tiers (Nurse, Blight, Billy, Spirit, Artist), the nerfs are negligible, even if you were only running one or two of the perks before. Lower tier killers (i.e. those without strong mobility or slowdown) will feel the nerfs but can still stack them to make finishing generators difficult. Those killers generally just suffer due to map RNG, though, which the overtuned gen defense perks mitigated due to the amount of time it afforded them to rotate and apply pressure to gens/hooks.

@@RR-mc4qj A good game should not push you towards using specific characters to still have a chance vs stronger opponents. Also DbD competitive players and high mmr players are definetly using gen defense. Specifically pop and pain resonance. Not saying you can't win without those perks but the chance of getting absolutely destroyer increases significantly.

@@daspitty5872 DBD's just not a good game, lol. It can be fun, sure, but it has core design flaws regarding player interaction and map RNG. Killer gameplay requires putting survivors in time-out states (hooking, slugging, forcing them to interact with slowdown powers) in order to prolong the game because they cannot be in four places at once and survivors are generally much more efficient when they split up to push the objective (better positioning over the map, split generator pressure, etc.). General chase gameplay is so heavily RNG dependent that there are actually tile setups that are unwinnable for M1 killers (though some like Hag and Trapper can pre-set traps to shut the loops down before they become a problem). This is just a long way of saying: the game is still heavily RNG dependent. When perk synergies are strong enough to be oppressive in most if not every situations, they need to be looked at because chances are they're doing far too much (which stacked up gen defense perks have been doing since Pain Res dropped with Artist).

@@RR-mc4qj I wouldn't necessarily say these combinations do too much. If anything it's about their relativ strength compared to other, less powerful combinations. Also there is the general imbalance in the games basic gameplay. Doing a gen alone takes 90 sec right now. That is without any speed ups or slowdowns. If just one single player does the gens alone that takes 450 sec plus the 20 sec of opening an exit gate. The killer, assuming we don't want camping or tunneling in the game, will have to hook the survivors 12 times and therefore hit them 24 times. That means you only have 19,58 sec to for each hit which is ridiculously short. And that's if just one single player does the survivor objective. Fun Fact: Even if survivors would not have any loops but just ran in a straight line - including all animations, like weapon wiping ore picking up, the killer has to go through, you wouldn't have enough time. Anything the killer brings to the table has to first even out this inequality before you start getting ahead. I think they absolutely should nerf gen defense perks hard and instead give killers tools on the maps as part of the basic gameplay to deal gens. This would make killers less dependent on perk builds and players would have more freedom to pick whatever killer they want and be lowkey forced to play only the strongest killers all the time.

Tf you mean “killers will have to use multiple of them now to be effective” killers already do that by running 3 gen regression perks like pain res, pop and surge with deadlock or corrupt being used

Behavior are so trash

Why be a douche

Surge*

@@gianglai7346🤓☝🏻

​@@gianglai7346jolt's the better name honestly

​@@gianglai7346same thing

Thought exactly the same...sad

I feel that pain. That is why I slug when I notice someone uses that build - you literally have no other option.

Background player+ flashlight, flashbang, sabotage it's all just so annoying

Nope

imagine no scratch marks 50% movement speed AND ENDURANCE 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@utente_Ironico Thank god

This! I like to run pain res / pop and 2 fun perks but now I'll probably have to run 4 slowdowns to have a chance at max mmr

@@towelman8589 yeah tought the same too it will be more difficult to compete in higher mmr they should focus on buffing weak perks or rework them Instead of gutting the good ones

​@@r.e.f5705I totally agree it's going to come to a point where I'm gonna have to stop playing weaker fun killers because I'm not gonna have the perks needed to not get rushed into the ground

If they rework every killer to be more lethal… why not?

yeah I was thinking the same thing. The shitty part is that people dont usually run pain res by itself, or at least after these nerfs it wouldn't be optimal to run it solo. Usually see it with grim embrace or some other perk to help stall or quickly get to the most progressed gen. However, lots of people run pop solo and gen kicking builds aren't really that popular anymore given how long it would take to run to the gen and go through the kick animation. The pop nerf seems like its gonna make the perk feel so bad to use

⁠@@isaiahd528 yeah why not instead of nerfing pop to make the combo less effective, instead make it so that pain res doesn’t work with other hook perks.

It's nothing nearly good it's bullshit. BHRV is spitting in the face of every honest killer with this and give tunneling and slugging killers even more reason to do their thing. Where is this even close to good ?

Pop didn't need a nerf it was already in a good spot. Nerfing Gen defense is just going to lead to more tunneling. And less low tier killers. It's a dumb choice since the game is already survivor sided.

@@isaiahd528 i like to run pop solo without pain res and this is sad to see :c and i already like to play low tier killers, do they want us to all play nurse and tunnel?

Will be missed against sweaty killers or campers but let's be honest it might've been a little too mean with ftp against a killer just trying to enjoy the game

just use wglf

I know youre joking

wut

@@magical571 ummmm you must not have the knowledge of iron will reducing your groans by 100% then they nerfed it to 75%. But light born if your a bad killer you just equip it and survivors can literally only pallet stun you then what when all the pallets are gone your boned. We’ll this is my opinion others can have a different one

Meta is still the same

Meta don't get changed it just get completele nerfed so that survivors are stronger than killers now. These changes aren't good, they're absolutely shit.

The meta will not change bozo 🤡🤡

@@thedutywarlord264 says the killer main crying about “meta shakeup” 🤣😭🤡🤓😫

​@@thedutywarlord264Stfu, you failure

You serious? These are extremely bad decisions, on the contrary, they make people take these perks even more, since there are no other normal alternatives against genrush, or do you suggest playing only with chasing perks?

@@marionotluidgie1964yes actually that would be amazing

You've got to be joking, gens can only regress so much before they can't be regressed anymore

@@marionotluidgie1964 looool how nerfing them will make killers rely more on them, that was trash meta like 80% of killers use them, boring killers will keep using them anyway like they do now.

​@@mrpirate4100gen speed is too fast , killers need to stop it somehow, that was the main reason killers used 4 gen perks , tunnel and camp cus otherwise they can't stop the survivors, after the update killers will still use these perks or maybe they will change them with other gen perks

Everyone did wdym? It was the most braindead perk in the game making lose lose scenarios for killers and making picking up virtually impossible because survifors from halfway across the map can get saves. I dont know a single person who thought it was healthy to the game

@@ronanjoyce9862 Hear me out on this one… when you’re picking up a survivor, look at a wall.

Imo it makes more sense, why would one random exhaustion perk be 200% instead of 150%? Plus it was almost impossible to avoid getting blinded unless you got lucky and looked at a wall, most smart survivors would get downed in the open 😅

​@@flopsnextdooralso flashbangs counter the tactic of looking at a wall since the survs can just drop the flashbang right between the killer and the wall

@@carwithknIfe I didn’t even think of that, yeah it was basically uncounterable and now I feel it it takes more skill to get saves because of the speed!😅

Wtf, nerf Legion, one of the weakest killers (I main them), for "holding the game hostage" with injured survivors? What are you smoking?

you must be a troll, it's too perfect. thanks for blessing us with this jewel.