Algorithms ruined my internet experience. I used to be able to discover so many wonderful ideas and webpages and creators. Now it’s like I see the same 15 things and nothing else. A ceiling has been imposed on my curiosity and access to others based on what websites think they can advertise to me and I hate it.
Why, why is this so true???? Maybe 2 years ago Instagram was entertaining now this is so true I’m Seeing videos from 4 months ago but nothing from today
@@tabby7189Duckduck go still gives me interesting results but ultimately I've noticed AI generated images popping up in image results. Yesterday I was searching for some Emperor penguin s images and there was this ugly AI image of a supposed Emperor penguin. Part of the body of a penguin was fused with the back of the main penguin and the chicks looked like nothing like the typical grey-colured chick you find in this species. They looked like a different and new species of penguin. I really hope Duckduck Go doesn't get poisoned by this c**p
Boohoo. Welcome in. This is why about 1300 scientists and other smart folk, Musk one of them, tried to stop AI in 2021. They were practically laughed off the stage. Now here we are.
An even bigger problem is that "recommended feeds" create an echo chamber for the individual. It's a recipe for confirmation bias and tribalism in society. Most unforgivably, people learn about other races and cultures on the internet, and establish their opinions accordingly. Whatever happened to meeting other people face to face, and actually having conversations with them? Even in college in the early 2000s, I was always getting "corrected" by white classmates on what I was "not supposed to say". Meanwhile, I hung out with numerous friends of other races and ethnicities, and these same white classmates were nowhere to be found.
I would say your mileage may vary. The RU-vid algo changed my life for the better with the trading advice via crypto memes. I still make my trades based off the algo.
I love scrolling past AI wrong answers, then sponsored ads, then SEO trash, then "people also ask," then going to page two, before maybe finding a result.
Google has been trash for YEARS now. I hate it. As someone who grew up alongside it, the enshitification of the internet has been a painful and heartbreaking process.
i already have to do that for Pinterest. i go to try to find good art inspiration/tutorials and all i see are amalgams of other peoples work shoved into a machine and churned back out worse.
The best thing to do if you are worried about the Dead Internet is go to a play, a concert or a comedy show, see real people. The live entertainment industry has been dying, but if enough people start going back to the theatre or arenas then new programming can be created to cater to the younger generations. Supporting young artists is where the grunge scene of the 90s came from, just as an example.
The live entertainment industry is probably dying cause people in general are more scared of violence than ever before. Just days ago, a scheme to m*rder people at Taylor Swift’s concert was uncovered. People are afraid of mass violence. My mom doesn’t even feel safe going to movie theaters anymore because of the Dark Knight s*ooting. Sometimes staying home feels safer
It goes deeper than that. We all get tickets online, through the internet. We hear about bands online, through the internet. We support bands because of the good they do or say, and we boycott bands through the bad things they say and/or do, through the internet. There is no going back to that ere of music. And with the increasingly large amount if young/upcoming bands/solo acts there’s no way it would be a sustainable career for them because if the amount of competition, they need the internet, yet it’s dying/dead.
That won't happen, if we get rid of the twisted greedy motivations that capitalism creates. Capitalism is not compatible with AI in the long run, because AI invalidates human labor. We need a new system.
I've been saying this for years. The internet is nowhere near as fun and magical as it used to be. Once ad revenue became a thing the entire system went down the toilet. Greed kills everything.
Ads are the root disease to the internet. Not its most dangerous, not its most lethal, not even the great evil behind it all, but the initiating infection that led to a weakening of its immune system until it became infected with every disease known to man. I will forever revile and resent anything to do with them. The adblocker comes off for *no one.*
That's the answer right there. No AI apocalypse needed, we did it to ourselves. AI doesn't buy products so I'm not sure how long a "dead internet" would last but if there ever was an issue with the internet, its exactly how you described it.
@@maconthesticks I think it’s just because the internet lost its mystery when you use it everyday and understand how it works. Nothing to do with ad revenue or greed, just you getting used to the internet.
At what point do shareholders say, "If 99.9% of traffic is non-human, why are we spending money on adds/servers/power/tech support?" and they stop investing into it.
This is why AI doesn’t actually concern me. Running all of these things costs money, and when the advertisers wise up and stop paying, the social media sites are just going to shut down. They’ll be dragged down by the massive wave of bots, and the entire system will just implode.
what if A.I begin using all those survey forms for money on-line and start buying stuff and reselling, round and round, investing and generating money just to keep the advertisers happy, don't they just look if there numbers go up? Risk is that for a short time it becomes a infinite money glitch, after that I can't imagine.
If you had told me as a kid that the internet would eventually become so lame that I no longer wanted to use it recreationally, I would've never believed you.
The ultimate irony is that this vid looks and sounds like content farm AI vid. Go a little deeper - same day Hill posts this vid, Asmongold has a clip of him reacting to a different video on this very topic! The video he reacted to is a few weeks older! Oh and that vid plays like it was AI generated too (stock clips mixed over a solemn tone video with a textbook pacing)
I recently learned social media companies are showing you custom conment sections based on how you engage. You cant even see honest discussion anymore. Truly horrific.
That is what the whole Twitter thing was about. Too many conservatives upset at being shadowbanned and unable to spread their harmful views and gather support.
A dictator/megacorp/billionaire can manipulate the social media bubble of people, and brainwash an entire population without anyone noticing. We are incredibly easy to influence. We are genetically programmed to conform. After all it used to be a survival trait to distrust outsiders and go with your tribe. I got on reddit when it launched, and I gradually noticed that people were often voting, and making comments just to feel included. Sometimes even going against their beliefs. A good example is vote inertia. If a comment has a negative score, even if it's just -1, we're easily primed to see the comment as bad, and we pile on the downvotes. We are SO easily swayed by our bubble. It's like nature designed us to be brainwashed. How many of our opinions are learned?
Honestly, yeah. That's when youtube felt so full, full of discovery, so many things you could find, so much variety. And now with it gradually getting worse over the years, or rather exponentially... now it's all the same, empty.
when my homepages shows nothing but trash thats not even targeted towards me is sad, I've started watching old TV shows rather then RU-vid as they can't seem to figure out how to fix anything but since RU-vid and Google started to outsource to 3rd world countries were seeing this problem, AI can be used for good it just needs to be regulated HEAVILY like it or not it needs to happen fast and the ones against this need to be removed from the internet
It started dying the moment search engines started optimising with clicks as a metric. All the random, interesting stuff got filtered out. A page of someone's poetry, a geocities profile, a witchcraft blog, and what you were looking for would all show up. You could choose to explore. Instead, we are funnelled.
@@denismedvedev8214 No, you can't. It's not doable by one regular person, and it's not realistic or feasible. Especially not in the way that you are implying, that would magically weed out all the AI slop. @Dantheus I remember browsing random websites all the time as a kid. Remember websites? Now it's just a handful of social media and Discord.
And now even that what is funneled rarely ends up being useful, even if you are using alternative Search Engines they're restrictive, puritanical and more often than not plain useless if you aren't specific to what you are looking for
@@finelessHilariously enough, I think the commentor is a bit. The username is kind of like a bot, and it's unnecessarily contrarian. Edit - contrarian might not be the word.
All I can hear throughout this entire video is doctor ian malcolm stating "you were so busy seeing if you could do it that you didn't stop to ask if you should"
Dr. Ian Malcolm: If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now... [bangs on the table].
Unironically it feels like private internets could be a solution. Colleges used to be how the internet existed, public/private partnerships to create human systems like how Google was founded. Human tagged, human catalogued, human curated... with simple search options and algorithms harkening back to the early days of the mid 2000s. Imagine search tools that work! We had those!
Private internet is definitely the end goal of countries right now. An international internet is doomed. It's going to become region locked and even more controlled and evil. Private internet is the last thing you want
@@JazzerciseJustice More self-hosting, I like it. How it used to be before the monopolies on the internet started occurring. Grab your server equipment, folks, its time to host!
pretty much like Cyberpunk internet, in that fictional universe the real internet is full of rogue AI and impossible to navigate, and people connect to different "mini internets" every time they need something for different specific things, but this is just what the internet/networks used to be back in the day
It's funny because I remember having so much fun on the Internet in the early 2000s as a kid, games, interesting things, fun stuff to read, for the last 10 years, I've found myself visiting the same three websites over and over because I can't find anything new, RU-vid being one of them. The Internet is empty, sterile, it feels like walking through an empty city that used to be full of people, it feels liminal. RU-vid feels that way too.
You've just said something I've been wondering about myself. RU-vid used to be fun. There used to be endless interesting and fun things to watch on RU-vid. Now, it's the same things and it's mostly boring content. Facebook though is the absolute worst of all. That platform is useless because everything has become mediocre. FB is still infested with predators and scammers though. I doubt they're going away anytime soon. I used to practically live on Facebook, but now I only go there to see a private message or for Marketplace. There's so much censorship, can't even post a joke anymore or FB 'factcheckers' flag it as misinformation or hate speech. I barely go on any social media platform anymore, or do anything on the internet anymore. It's become stagnant, oppressive, and boring.
I remember when there was only a handful of YT content creators doing comedy sketches; they'd be brilliant and only garner a few thousand views. Now it seems like the "funniest" content is sub-par, relies on memes, and rakes in millions of views. In the early days, creators weren't driven by monetization or sponsorships. Of course there are still those who deviate from this today, but they're very difficult to find. Is it a good idea to microwave this? Will it blend? Pete & Brian GiR2007 GregSolomon Those are some classic channels I recall from 2006-2009. Good times. Nowadays I'm basically waiting for uploads from Kyle Hill, EmpLemon, LEMMiNO, Solar Sands, and Louis Rossmann lol
To be honest, past internet was amazing. So much freedom and anonymity. But lets face it, it was a deranged place too. I've seen some shit i've shouldn't have seen at ages i shouldn't have been on that part of the internet.
@@sportyeight7769 The age issue is a parental problem. The "seeing some shit" part is, in my opinion, healthy when at a reasonable age. Not everything you see needs to please you.
@@sportyeight7769yeah but it was raw, that was the point. If you don't want your kids to see shit don't give em your phone or at least use parental controls
I remember as a kid, the internet being such an amazing place, despite being so far away from a each other it felt incredibly human… everything felt so human. From websites for shopping, to youtube, to even basic blogs. It all felt so incredibly human. Nowadays i stray from social media, most of my friends still use it, but despite it being ‘social’ it feels almost soulless.
I understand that this video is specifically about the way generative AI has impacted the content of the internet and how we interact with the web as a whole. But I want to add the sheer waste of resources that is happening in the mad-dash to cram "AI" into absolutely everything. Google's new searches with AI suggestions take approximately 20x the energy to run as the old non-AI versions. There's also the absolutely mind-boggling amount of *water* being wasted for such processes. We don't NEED "AI" shoved into Every. Single. Thing. It is a waste of resources.
It's the new hot trend, that's why they're cramming it into everything. When the public stops eating AI up and starts openly distrusting it/pointing out the emperor has no clothes, they'll try and walk (some of) it back. It happened with 3D televisions and some of the other tech fads over the years. The worrisome part is this particular one isn't limited in the scope of who can make use of it, doesn't cost a fortune for a relatively small use case, and human nature is to be lazy. For every one of us that retires from social media after pointing out (for example) Twitter is now just corporate ad accounts and x-rated site bots commenting on each other's shill posts, there are two or three more just letting ChatGPT write everything for them. Thanks for the newest addition to my nightmare fuel collection, I guess 😂
@@RealSetsuP Except the majority of people I see are not only *not* eating up ai, but are *actively avoiding it* and being very vocal about the fact that they would immediately ditch any product if a non-ai alternative existed. And yet more and more products are shoving it in because it's not about selling us ai, it's about making sure we have no ability to prevent ourselves from being exploited by ai.
A tweet I saw somewhere said that we're letting megacorporations open Pandora's Box because they hope to find a few dollars inside. Whoever originally said that, because it might have even been reposted by the time I saw it, that person was right.
There's no "letting" going on. We are powerless to stop them. The investors and financial institutions hold all the power and they will continue doing whatever they believe brings more profit
@ffffffffffffffff5840 real. Most of us cant really do anything. "Think smart with your money and vote with your wallet" brother I am one bad accident away from being homeless.
4:25 Google's search engine is almost entirely unusable right now as is. Too much SEO garbage and ad-farm content being pushed. They actively chose this, too.
Strange. I find it better than ever. Perhaps that's just 20 years of Google-fu experience, and knowing how to structure a search prompt in a way that will get the desired information.
You can’t even search for what you’re actually looking for. You can only look for what they think you are looking for, or even worse what they want you to look for…
If they actually believe they created a monster, they would have taken it down. Instead, they still have it up and running, and are actively developing it further _and trying to get away with mass stealing and copyright infringment_ .
They could fix it so yeah very hollow. Im just shocked it hasn't gone the way of every other data hoarding ai so far and get so bad it needed to be shut down, but then again the ai is starting to feed off itself already especially in images
I mean, Open AI is likely to go down as a Patsy while the greater company soldiers on saying "We need funding to contain the negative impact of AI. They will do this especially to dissolve the "open" aspect of open AI to resounding applause so that it's "more secure". And in the name of security they will convince the masses to hand over control of the world. to their private interests.
One major internet trend I disliked was organizations going away from having websites, and just relying on a Facebook page. And I swear Forums felt like way more of a community than any Facebook group or Reddit channel.
Not just a facebook page, but apps on a smartphone. Now it's like you have tunnel vision and can only see through it. What I liked about forums is how easy it was to acces. How ready to look for threads and topics you wanted to know and threads yiu wanted to come back to. It was very specific.
4. Usability. Forums of old are 1000x better at finding and searching for information that other users have painstakingly put effort into creating for the help of many. Searching and finding and USING the damn sites are a million times better (and yet everyone flocked to social media swamps and software rental seeking models that are now devolving the real world saleable items realm).
I feel the same way but with how all of them are just discord channels now. It's impossible to get any good info quick out of them like a forum could have
Already happened to a good part of the internet. Mainly when it comes to opposing political views. But sometimes I read stuff so stupid that I question it.
Question it? Why tho? Everything in the internet will become AI based in just a matter of MONTHS. I already see both of u as bots, bcs i cannot see other ppl behind the comments anymore.
I get called a bot all the damned time by people on the right purly because of my profile name (which I named purely to annoy them) even through my account is almost as old as youtube itself lmao. I think that goal has been thoroughly met.
@@WokeandProudthe funny thing is those conservative accounts calling you that might actually be bots. I see so many insanely stupid and incoherent right wing posts that I can’t help but think they are shitty bots. But some people are just that stupid and deep into their political identity.
Internet becoming mainstream more and more people money and business involved... Around that time search algorithms where a huge topic similar to the ki topic now Before that time Internet was for nerds, games, porn and pirating so poor people got movies to watch Now its big business pirating became streaming a huge Portion of the General Publics communication goes on the Internet the social Media Boom everyone could become Like a TV Star etcetc Also Not all of it is negative Tons of positive Changes came
I find it wild that we just had a big budget adaptation of Dune and the most relavent concept in the book, the rejection of computers, isn't even mentioned. "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."
I had the same thought. Read the book before I watched the movie. Themes of the book include: rejection of automated computer technology to prevent extinction, and the ultimate moral/psychological/philosophical evolution of humanity beyond just technological improvement. Hollywood turned it into an action movie. Was kind of disappointed - there was so much potential to spread a positive and thought-provoking message during a time where we badly need one.
I thought the movies were visually perfect but left out way too many of the things that made the book my favorite ever written. How do you ignore the butlerian jihad, doesn't make any sense to me. I found the recent movies to be lacking the basic soul or essence of the book.
@@jeany545 Had to check 🙃. But seriously you're right though, they are even here in the comments. And now they will even copy other comments. Even when it's saying things relevant to the video it could still could be a bot😞
There are 2 types of people who talk about AI these days: "AI will take over and become so good so fast and so soon that you won't be able to tell it's AI." "AI is running out of training data and will soon have to train on AI data causing downward spiral loop making it worse or at 'best' stagnant."
Don‘t forget programmers and other tech savvy folks who will say no one understands what they‘re talking about, but cannot give lay people any understandable explanations at all. XD Tech folks really need better communicators.
As it usually happens, it'll fall somewhere between the overestimations and underestimations. If its optimistic vs pessimistic predictions, then its closer to pessimistic with how excessively good AI is for misinformation already. You can't know for sure I'm not a stolen account used by a less spammy kind bot
@@innisneill7510imagine a cloud of words. The cloud contains all text ever produced. When you create a prompt that is used to create a path into the cloud. Some randomness is injected to create more dynamic responses while staying close to the point your path ended at. Also AI isn't actual intelligence. So OP missed the third group: Folks who understand that what's happening isn't AI, it's just the changing human extelligence.
Yeah and I am wondering something about that, you need to know that language always changes over time so if AI is training on today's English and if in the future mostly everything is written by ai then in maybe a sentury stuff might change, even if written language doesn't change much but spoken one will and text to speech ai would just look like people from the 19th century speaking from our perspective
Born too late to explore the world. Born too early to explore the stars. Born just in time to explore an existential crisis at every corner. It was supposed to be space travel man...
you were born at just the right time to explore the stars, get a telescope there is a lot of just regular citizen scientist stuff for mapping stars that you can do, go download some public data and help researchers, interstellar travel might not be possible the way you explore space is with robots and pictures and data. Large portions of the animal world remain undocumented in research go grab a camera a gps and some boots and go on a hike and take pictures. People do PCR DNA tests at home and send data and samples off to labs its not super hard there are youtube vids on it and its not that expensive go collect and contribute data to science, go explore, learn about a field you want to explore in, get a job as a lab tech, go volunteer to help something or someone. Why would you want to spend years in space doing nothing so bad, just to be dying of old age when you get to your destination?
@@p0t4toePotatoadvertisers fooled by the false numbers created by bots thinking theyre real people that can be exposed to their marketing filth. It's a bubble and it's about to pop
The internet died when google stopped sharing anything but corporate websites while hiding the smaller ones, half the websites I used to visit back in the day were home made websites, some about aliens, or facts and DIY guides. It's been almost 20 years since I've even once stumbled upon a personally made website.
About a year ago, I was researching for a paper on walkable communities and stumbled across someone's blog that they'd been running since somewhere in the late 80s to early 90s. Beyond the academic value the specific post had, I was fascinated by it. It felt like stumbling into an abandoned museum or library, but it was STILL IN USE. The sote had been updated within the last month! It was...wild. I love it.
This feels like the set up for a sci fi movie where there's barely any sound in the movie, just wind and footsteps as someone walks through the desert.
What's wild to me is that if the internet gets flooded with so much fake information, we might get back to the point where the only place to we can find reliable knowledge is libraries. With physical books that are vetted by professionals.
@@supermagma ...just rip those pages out? Flip past them? Books aren't linear experiences, you can flip through the pages as fast as you want. If anything, product placement on the cover or somewhere within the story would be more effective.
@@supermagmaWe call those “magazines” and “newspapers”. We’ve had them for decades and we’re still fine. There is a level of permanence in printed media that discourages the domination of ads like it’s doing online. You print an ad in a mag, it’s permanently there and will eventually become obsolete.
@@supermagmaWe call those “magazines” and “newspapers”. We’ve had them for decades and we’re still fine. There is a level of permanence in printed media that discourages the domination of ads like it’s doing online. You print an ad in a mag, it’s permanently there and will eventually become obsolete.
You know? I left twitter a while ago and I think I never quite got a phrase to describe why I did it a good as this one. I opened my account to shout my nonsense out into the void. And one day I found the void shouting back
And this isn't even touching on the part where actual people are often caught in the crossfire of 'anti-bot measures'. I've counted multiple times where a comment or reply I posted on a video was inexplicably, and silently, shadowbanned. It'd show that I posted the comment, and it would show up in my comment history, but that comment itself was invisible to everyone else and wouldn't increment the reply count. It isn't like I'm making comments with hyperlinks or other suspicious activity either, they'd be genuine conversation contributions, but some keyword or another caused them to be erased without mention, while actual bots often walk scot-free.
Like there weren't people who didn't use the Internet properly before the post truth era started (2016). They'd see a photo shopped image and not check if it's true or false.
The saddest part is that the "Darkweb" maybe the last place where "real people" are to exist on the "the internet" without an infestation of A.I. or bots.
@@rachelstratemeier426 indirectly many can die via disinformation to a mass population in many ways... starting wars through one-sided propaganda, spreading fake information on illnesses etc.... it may not kill people immediately like a nuclear bomb, but rest assured, generative AI/bot farms like this can and will kill people over time.
@@rachelstratemeier426 you do know that some things aren't supposed to be taken 100% literally, right? that an analogy exists to compare the similarities between two things, and that just because theyre similar that doesnt mean the analogy is there to compare the two things 1:1?
as i've grown older, i've found Ian Malcolm's line from jurassic park "Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should" has become more and more true every day. just replace scientist with any person or persons capable of life altering decisions for those around them and even the whole world.
@@iitstre_4550 (sighs) We could have nuked the planet clean of life over the Cuban missile crisis in the 1960s and there was no reason we "should" or "should not" have done so. There is nothing any organism "should" ever do. So the OP did not make a great point nor did Ian Malcolm.
@@iitstre_4550No, no. They just said that ethics and morality should be thrown out the window. Whether or not they realized that's what they were saying, I dunno; they may not have meant to go that far. But they were declaring a rebellion against the concept of "should-ness" or "ought-ness" with that statement, the very things at the heart of ethics and morality, and which direct us towards decency and purpose (assuming they exist, we get them right, and we pursue them).
As someone who worked as a network engineer and in cyber security, the time that the internet starting getting worse was the time the big algorithms started running things. A.I. is just another bullet in a dying body.
We've known for a while, but the AI panic makes a good hill to raise the 'algorithmic poison' argument on. Positive attention and negative attention are irrelevant concepts to a system designed for engagement alone.
The time it died was when the attention driven economy started. As every negative thing steams from that one design. From content farms to Bots, and Clickbait. They all exist for the sole reason of getting the most amount of site traffic and user retention.
Same dude, logged on twitter just to see 30 bots with girls on their pfps following me. Its scary as hell and ibdont even know why would anyone do that
You gave me an idea for a short story where a whole town is killed off but the people who lived there keep posting to all social media (via automated generative ai created by the perpetrators) and nobody notices in the outside world. Then other towns start disappearing the sam way, and again, nobody notices...
@@johnlucas6683 A bit too late to keep it offline as the comment has been posted for at least 24 hours now. Anyone could have stolen that idea by now. As to the OP, that sounds like a fantastic short story which to my mind is original. This is a sort of catch-22 where you post online about story ideas to get feedback. If it's a legit good idea, it can be stolen by other people or AI itself and fleshed out into a real short story by the time the original author of said idea gets around to seeing the positive feedback about plotline and going ahead and then writing the story. HEY! That gives ME an idea for a short story! 😉
Don't you just hate it when an online video game gets filled with bots pretending to be real players to make you think your better than what you truly are to keep you playing? Well just imagine that but the whole internet.
This isn't my quote but I think holds very true: "I'd much rather have AI doing my dishes while I draw art/play music than the other way around". I've never engaged with AI for reasons like this, if I have AI writing my essays, then what do I learn?
@@Baltaczar your learnibg the lesson but missing the game. I hear you but A LOT of the world runs on results. Do you know what they call a failing JAMA contrutor?? Doctor
I was born in 81. I feel incredibly lucky to have experienced the world before the internet. Playing outside and building forts in the woods seems like an experience lost to time. I’m also incredibly lucky to have also experienced the internet in its glory days when it really felt like the Wild West. It’s truly sad seeing how the internet has gone from being this exciting and wonderful place to the state it’s in today.
Maybe the situation of AI ruining the internet will reach a point where kids will no longer find the internet so alluring and will play outside more, build forts in the woods, etc. I want those days back.
I used to be less scared of AI since it seemed to unfeasable to create a sentient AI, but ChatGPT/Dall-e/etc has perfectly shown that sentience isn't required for an AI to be extremely destructive. Realizing that we're now living in a time where algorithms are just completely taking over our creativity is so crazy depressing..
Like the paperclip factory idea. Tell a machine to expand the factory and the inevitable conclusion is the factory taking over the whole world. Since it does not understand anything other than its instructions
Yep. Several people have been making this argument for quite some time. The general conception is that AI should be feared because it's too smart. In reality, the greater danger comes from its lack of sentient thought. It's a dumb tool that pollutes the information ecosystem with astronomical amounts of garbage.
dont you just love how companies can put ENDLESS effort into making it as hard as possible to contact them when something goes wrong hiding the support numbers and emails and burrying help behind endless automated systems and help bots but they never seem to want to put the same level of effort into making there websites and services safer for people to use or to remove bots
I assume that is the issue it's harder than it appears at face value. It's like how the big sites would outsource to poor countries context review for explicit images that were reported to verify if they were really bad or not. We just assume magically there aren't any but there are actually all these people that are or were going over and having to view many times terrible images and content.
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep it is somewhat hard but step 1 to solving it is to actually solve it the amount of shit youtube lets slip despite THOUSANDS of reports against individual videos or ads shows they dont give a fuck there was one video of a child being abused and humiliated on the internet and every comment was people saying they had reported this and this was sick and the video stayed up for months
They don't want their sites & services safer. Accidental / scam money is still money, after all. And the unilateral EULAs guarantee they don't have to care.
Just a few years ago MatPat theorized about an upcoming kind of horror involving AI replacing your friends and family members, gaslighting you into believing false histories and memories, and manipulating people en masse. It was just supposed to be a theoretical evolution of a genre of entertainment, and now it’s actually happening. Silicon Valley tech bros opened Pandora’s Box, and in doing so they’ve doomed the internet
Funny how the 'harms' wouldn't pass an ethics board with respect to health/psychiatric interventions. Yet silicon valley is given free reign to experiment on the public as if we are all lab rats.
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@@rebekahj8662 Yeah this is a bad take, government regulation is already years behind technological advancement and always will be. We can't even get copyright fixed, what makes you think governments will find a solution to an even more complex problem like ai?
I know of a company that unless you know the extension number for someone, you can not actually talk to a human. It's all ai assisted robocall for literally everything. One of their managers was bragging about it at a meeting about it and all the people they fired. Robo calling is fine for basic bill paying and other simple stuff, but they're "trying" to use it for things that really should have a human on the other end. Talk to the one office staff person they kept, and she's flooded almost all the time from people now coming in because they can't get through the robocall.
Useful for business 😅 hahaha Its useful for getting angry at yourself being a lazy bitch. Thinking for 3 seconds is 100% more productive than wasting 20minutes on chatgpt with no meaningful results😅
Everyone has access to generative AI, but not everyone has the ability to run it at the scale needed for a social media disinformation campaign. You need a lot of GPU power for that.
That is precisely it. It’s a tale old as time, and it makes the initial entrants better investments because the regulations create a legal barrier to entry for competitors. It’s all about shoring up one’s position, maximizing the value of the initial investments, and greed. Second verse, same as the first…
@@judgementrizzy That's what I wondered. If they're so 'scared' of AI, then why are they still developing it in addition to calling for more regulation?
WALL-E was more accurate than Terminator. AI won't kill us with nukes and killer robots. It'll feed us endless slop until we grow complicit and a shell of our former selves
WALL-E is more accurate because it's probably the only movie that actually depicts an AI working without emotion. As we know it, it is impossible to create AI with emotion. All they can do is follow their programming and remain within the limits of said programming. The same was true for the villain AI in WALL-E. AI doesn't want to kill us or even necessarily misinform us. It doesn't want anything. It's just doing what the creators/owners have programmed it to do.
@@borga6566 You have a lacking understanding of what AI is... sure, ChatGPT is just an overgrown spell-checker tool, but there's literally nothing to stop us from creating an AI which DOES have "emotions" (whatever those are).
Shit it's already starting with AI Generated Images and the like. Why create it yourself when it can draw for you? Why write intresting stories through your life experiences when you can simulate that with ChatGPT? It creates apathy while also your time is being sucked away at work for less benefit.
I'm a college professor. The explosion of students using AI to write papers, including dissertations, has left faculty baffled and troubled. This is especially true for dissertations; hiring a person who never did the research or wrote the findings leads a department into spending money on a person who simply can't do the job. Original research, creative ideas and the advances of any academic discipline are at risk. Very soon, we may see the stagnation of scientific and medical advances, except in the most banal arenas. In far too many ways, we are at the cusp of Ayn Rand's Anthem.
Ai only works for writing papers by analysing thousands of previous successful papers.if all successful papers have the same writing and information why does it matter if a student regurgitated the same info as everyone else or an AI did it?
@@retroftw4644because it shows the student has a grasp on the topic and knows how to write a dissertation. Same reason why they teach us how to do basic maths in primary school, so we know the basics and can understand more complex behaviours or build upon these building blocks
@@retroftw4644if professors were in the business of collecting papers, for some inexplicable reason, then of course it wouldn’t matter whether a student or AI wrote the paper. However, professors are not, in fact, in the business of collecting papers, as you should know. They are in the business of educating students, teaching specific skills; one of which is how to research, collect information, and presenting it via written text - a paper, if you will. The paper itself matters not. The work behind the paper is the important bit.
@@retroftw4644 theory is nice, but practice and theory don't often mix reading the theory is a act of practice, and by putting in the effort, it can widen perspective by the act of practice. if a student use ai to generate a dissertation, what have they truly learned? how has this effected their perspective? these things might seem small, but the devil's in the details for a reason, you cannot just assume second hand experiences are the same as self learned experiences.
I would say the internet feels claustrophobically small now. A handful of apps full of the same people saying the same (unpleasant) stuff. In the 90s the web felt limitless. You could find a billion different communities and carefully curated niche-interest pages. Now, I use email, youtube, and a news website. Everything else is just so ad-clogged or full of slop that it's unusable, or it's full of internet-poisoned lunatics.
Is anybody out there? The last 2 videos I watched from MKBHD had dozens of comments saying either the exact same thing or slight variations of it. They all had hundreds of likes (similar counts) and they all dropped a "sneaky" reference for a random coin seemingly out of nowhere mid-sentence. It was over half the comments I read. It's troubling and discouraging.
Just went and checked newest and 2 random MKBHD videos and see nothing like any of this lol, same with all of the old websites I used to go to. homestarrunner, albinoblacksheep, ect all there.. pretty sure you guys are tripping balls lol
I'm here! I hate all this AI bullshit so much...And how Capitalism, especially Late Stage Capitalism, is what created it and so much other evil exploitive shit in daily life...
I agree, it is a big issue. The solution is investing in TRON. My friend makes $ 3,500 per day by - sorry, just kidding, trying to bring some levity to something that I also honestly find very concerning.
Trying to find things on the internet is literally so difficult it’s impossible to even find things to buy that aren’t just from Amazon, Walmart, wayfair, or like 3 other places on the internet anymore.
The last time social media didn’t have algorithms was about 20 years ago if you’ve been around that long I’d assume your YT account would’ve been a little older than just 10 years.
I know memories are fickle but honestly, I am old enough to remember time before Internet. Sure PCs are already on the market and Internet did exist in its primal form but normal households didn't have it. The shift once it became more and more available was huge. But for me that was the golden age of Internet. I remember spending hours discovering things for myself, reading forums, figuring out mIRC, finding tons of unique and fun web pages. It felt... alive... It was made by people, not companies, companies had no clue yet about Internet. It had soul. Today it feels so empty. Even in multiplayer games people only rush , no one communicates normally anymore. I miss old days.
Yes! No one creates websites anymore just for their interests or for the fun of sharing it. Well, because no one will even find it. Now corporations habe smartphones, that will give you apps and make you think that is the internet and the only place for it. With phone OS and algorithms design to get perdonal data and information out of you so they could sell you products. Keep you entertained with quick light events so they can keep your attention and make you stay and feel like you're in the right place.
This time on the internet was amazing. Searches on googles served a purpose, not even website wanted your consent for cookies or your money for simple services that people used to give for free, forums full of humans. On this days, web pages were obligatory written by humans so each search on google gave you access to something created by humans, with responses written by humans. It was amazing. Now ? i can't even trust comments anywhere spam bots are getting smart, they can even analyse a video to make a personalise comment. Nothing is real anymore.
50 years tele- and data communication under my belt. For me the end came on the horizon when our society stopped looking for alternatives and declared Windows being the norm. Windows has always considered us to be the product, and Ad companies being the real customer. That proved easy money and every internet entrepreneur jumped on the bandwagon.
I always thought the 'Dark Forest- Internet Theory' felt really applicable to the current stage, especially coming from an artist's perspective. The theory states that the surface of the web has become a dark, inhuman, dangerous forest where getting spotted is a terrible place to be, but under the surface, people are thriving in their own pockets, discord servers, groups on other social media- fending off the predatory AI by burrowing like small forest critters.
It's basically true. The face of the Internet is commercial and corporate now. Longform content is almost dead, unless you really dig. But the humans are down there somewhere. Our innate need for some fork of community keeps us looking for living, breathing like-minded individuals.
i have been ranting for the past couple of months about these concerns with A.I. to my friends and colleagues and they just seem unaware at the sheer scale of bot engagement/traffic. thank you for creating this video. I am new to your content but this is a matter I feel needs far more attention than it currently has.
@@declanfleming7400yeah, unfortunately trusting anything requires doing some research. For every legit small storefront out there, there are probably 1,000 ones run by bots to scam people
Blergh. I used to have a wix website. So glad I decided to learn HTML and CSS myself and moved over to Neocities. They really are shoving AI bullshit into everything these days. Eugh.
I’ve had a Wordpress blog(free) for over a decade, and recently started getting Wordpress emails sharing about how proud they are of now having AI resources available to users. And my first response was “that’s not a good thing, yo”.
This was a great eye opening video, I learned and considered many things that i had not before. I am a music creator and I have always stayed away from using any kind of cheating, in creating my music, samples, or any kind of AI. I use a digital program but I create the melodies with no help from the software, and I also actually play some instruments in real life.
it sounds great in theory, but imagine the loneliness, the isolation, the paranoia that would come with it. I would be constantly wondering if the outside world even exists anymore. Just be sure to bring some of your favourite people with you before you go off-grid.
I live in a cottage allready, slowly using social media specially and internet in general less frequently. Took up reading physical books, walks and meditation instead, couldn't be happier😁 Now all I need is a chick with a broom🧹👩❤️💋👨🤪
Google worrying that their search engine WILL BECOME useless shows how little self awareness they have. SEO and them ignoring their own search rules broke Google years ago.
I'm not going into the full details but it took me a whole year of stressful dicking around to find a single mountain bike part because every search returned a sh**load of unrelated f**k for hundreds of pages. It's beyond a joke that they haven't got a handle on it. Once I (eventually, by God's grace somehow) found a seller supplying the elusive part, I bought every part the seller had in-store. I'd have done that a year ago if i'd managed to source the part when I initially needed it, so it's screwing over small businesses in that regard as well.
@@RocketPropelledWombat how sad. I had that happen once as well and I just gave up trying to find the part online. It was available at a regular parts store. The internet is ripping itself to shreds.
@@markm0000 I didn't have that luxury tbf :-( Luckily DuckDuckGo got it together and I was served a company in France selling the part, else i'd never have got it. Agreed, nobody at these companies is doing a damn thing to solve it (or if they are, they're moving how old people fuck).
I often get frustrated that so many of the young people I talk to seem so ignorant and illiterate compared to my peers and I when we were at the same age. But I've realized that the idea that people have an obligation to be informed comes from a much healthier era of the internet when reliable information was easy to find. Young people are less motivated to go out and seek knowledge than we were because they're afraid of being mis-informed, and who can blame them?
true, but lets not pretend there wasn't fuck loads of misinformation out there before generative AI. People have always lied, now we just have machines that can pump it out
I've had a weird sort of compulsion to hoard knowledge, any piece of written information that I come across and deem useful, I hoard, pirated, physical books anything, I guess I was doomsday prepping before I knew informational doomsday was upon us.
It is chaos. I think we will get back to some extent to physical knowledge, such as printed books. Because you really can't tell false from truth in hte internet. from science to spiritual things: everyone has their own truth and build bubbles of information around them.
To make accounts on websites, we're going to have to make appointments to show up at a companies office just to prove that we actually exist. This makes me worried that anonymity will disappear from the internet just to make it usable again.
Welp you forget that hackers and scammers are also tinkering with AI. Heck buying bulk accounts has been a market since the 90s. We'd give up all our privacy for some percentage less AI for a while. Long term not feasible nor wise.
This is looking like the only fix. Requiring government Id or a biometric check may be the only way - a captcha can always be bypassed. In some ways maybe the loss of internet anononymity won't be so bad, people are always so much worse to each other with anononymity and it's only really an illusion anyway - various goverments will know exactly who you are online, and you can always be unmasked by anyone determined enough. I guess there is one alternative, the death of the free internet. Even a small subscription fee or cost to posting would stop mass bot spam.
With all the Big Data stuff, I don't trust companies like StumbleUpon; it's possibly even worse than the surveillance ad networks have since it's so personal and explicit, and if it is still a browser extension, might even have more access to your data than plain ads (I haven't checked, maybe they did sandbox it pretty good and did a good and honest job at anonymizing the data and minimizing what is collected, but still, it's just another algorithm driven content suggester just like RU-vid, Reddit, TikTok etc, with potentially some very deep knowledge about you....). At least the good side of StumbleUpon is you actually get to open the independent sites themselves instead of browsing content all hosted in a single platform and potentially just seeing the headlines, AI summaries etc)
Yeah, I still use mIRC chat instead of other SM platforms. It's a nice, clean, no ad space, and you can find "your" communities on there. But it is all just text. Ahh, the simple days before these, tho.
The good in this is that it'll start pushing people back into reality. I've already been pushed to find more ways to interact with people face to face. I've taken up ballroom dancing and skating, and now I'm the happiest and healthiest I've ever been. Getting off the internet is good for us.
I have found myself doing the same, reading and drawing, only using the internet for audio books , getting out of the internet. Just recently I realized how chronically addicted I was to this thing.
I'm too neurodivergent for other real life humans, but I do find other uses for my time. Occasional youtubing takes up a lot of time. People upload too often.
Ah what a time to be alive. Not sure if it's a good time... but definitely a time lol edit: I just think it's a shame that, for all of the potential applications, this was the result. A couple years ago I read an article regarding how machine learning could assist in actually discovering cures. I had my questions, but it was still uplifting to read. Instead now I feel like that article was AI-generated and anything remotely praising AI applications are generated either by AI or by an agenda. I suppose it was naive of me. I wasn't prepared.
I remember the internet being so full of potential. Even as late as 2015 I was excited for what the future would hold. If only we knew how good we had it...
Do you remember the Seti@home project? and then it branched out to lend computation time for cancer research, and new drugs and materials .. and then seemingly hundreds of potential research projects you could lend spare computation time for ... That was the future i had hoped for ..
You know that one cliche character in sci-fi media with this unexplainable hatred for machines and robots? I'm starting to understand and relate to them more and more every day.
Yep. I love sci fi. But that big budget movie about a cute kid robot came out last year and I had absolutely no interest in a story about a sympathetic robot in 2023. No thanks.
Dune lore and the mindset of keeping everything under human control while giving no machine any power of decision or enforcement makes more sense every day.
@@datbarricade9995 You don't understand Dune then. It wasn't the "thinking machines" that were the problem, it was the humans that controlled the thinking machines and used them to enslave other humans.
Do you remember the Seti@home project? - and then it branched out to lend computation time for cancer research, and new drugs and materials .. and then seemingly hundreds of potential research projects you could lend spare computation time for ... That was the future i had hoped for ..
There are still citizen science projects... it's just not every day you need to run simulations that are feasibly done on hundreds of different machines
After everything in recent years, the death of the internet doesn't seem so bad, but when you consider the internet was a beacon of hope in the free sharing of knowledge this is a tragedy
Especially because a lot of knowledge is now originally published online now, not even in physical books or journals. It means that our knowledge and information is more vulnerable to accidental or intentional destruction than the Library of Alexandria
AI didn't kill the internet, governments and megacorps killed it back in 2016. It's been running on fumes ever since, a shadow of what it once was. AI is the only good large-scale internet development in the last decade: at least it's interesting.
The interesting thing about that is how shrimp Jesus died for our internet sins, but no one is acknowledging that. They just dip him in cocktail sauce, and pray the Internet will continue.
I'm a game developer. On my game that's listed on Steam, there's a demo available, and it has around 150 downloads. The amount of key activations (clicking "own" but not downloading)? Over 40,000. It's quite jarring, and I'm glad these websites are starting to allow creators to discern between bots and people.
@@TheyCallMeIce maybe just getting the free key, or key at a low price so when it releases then they can sell them at a lower price thanks to farm bots, kinda just what happened to Graphic cards during the pandemic
@@TheyCallMeIce Oh, I actually know this one, I'm inadvertently part of the problem (not in this case, from years ago back when I was in high school or college, forget which)- there is a script you can run to add all "free" licenses on Steam to your account. It's not necessarily bad actor stuff, a lot of people just do it to add games to their account to have for future reference or access (i.e. F2P games) or for... well, I don't know, I kind of regretted it after doing it because I wound up with a ton of "free" games that were just demos cluttering up my library but when I was broke there were some real gems in there that I enjoyed for a time that are hard to discover via the Steam store. But I can see how it leads to confusing information for developers (which is something as a teenager/early 20 year old I didn't think about at the time). I don't know if Steam changed policies in the at least a decade since then but I assume doing that same thing today would look like what Sup3r87 described.
One thing I’m worried about is when younger generations stop being able to read and then if the internet is gone or unusable, they’re just not able to do anything on their own for real and therefore can’t solve novel problem or think with real detail and granularity. One of the few things that feels real to me is reading a real book. Not just for entertainment, but also for information and understanding. You can actually learn and research so much more with like…. 3 books compared to slogging through the internet. It’s actually more convenient now to read books on a subject than try to research on the internet sometimes. Especially with a lot of reputable sources being behind subscription paywalls.
This is why the library of congress and physical media are so important to protect. We may lose the internet because we decide to shut it down cause there is nothing there anymore.
@@boskostoybox if that worked as a long term backup than there would be no need for the library of Congress and any library. No backups on digital are nice but way to fragile. EMP fire water just losing power decently strong physical phenomenon and any number of other weaknesses books may have some of those but not all. The whole point is that by only recording things digitally it means it can all be lost as opposed to only pieces of the knowledge
I feel like the biggest shift for me is that I'm relying more on personal recommendations from people I know, and visiting what I know to be human written websites and news sites directly. I think it's similar to this shift from a lot of conversations being on public social media to the most interesting conversations being in private communities.
I feel the exact same way. I generally only take recommendations from friends now and I almost completely ignore recommendations online, unless there's like a video here on youtube that catches my attention.
Which, as much as I hate to admit it, can also unfortunately pose as a risk, as Kyle mentioned, it can lead to conspiracies and distrust in general. These closed communities are likely to become echo chambers which will probably turn it into a never-ending cycle, and then it’s just a matter of actually being able to find reliable perhaps even non biased information in a cesspool of AI generated rubbish.
@@woolwil True, but I don't think that's new, and I'm not sure what the solution is. People are always going to prefer consuming information from sources that reflect their own biases. But the totally fake mass of AI-generated content makes it harder find good information in general.
The people that don't see a problem or anything wrong with AI are likely using it to make money. People get a little weird when you mess with their cash flow.
Worst thing is working for a corporate company who are massively pushing AI in every single aspect with not a single fuck about how damaging it potentially will be.
@@JarofMayonaise We have fresh hires who don't care because they don't get it. They never knew the world without intrusive ads, popups, notifications, microtransactions, and Ai spam. This is their normal.
Lately, I have found myself more and more detached from the internet. Search results now tend to be so bloated with gargabe to be far less useful than they used to be, algoritm-driven platform feed my homepage and recommendation with so much content for which I don't care, and the recent wave of Gen AI content made me even less interested in wasting time on something that has a high likelihood of being fake with no effort behind it. I do have often the feeling that there's barely anything to see or read, with only a tiny human component left drowning in a ocean of empty artificial noise. Also, I sometimes feel like we are heading back to times when people only believed what they could physically see and hear taking place in front of them. When everything digital can be an AI-generated fake, how can one trust anything any longer?
@@snickle1980There's books I'm sure but I'm more of a horror fan. However, Metal Gear Solid 2 always stands out to me in this regard. You can find videos of people explaining the AI relevant plot points.
I've never deleted my social media accounts, but the only thing I have been using for 2-3 years now is RU-vid, and even this gets less every month. I enjoy being outside, doing sports, and meeting with friends more. It is strange for me. I was never a very social person and a somewhat cliché introverted software engineer. I am used to the determinism of computers and algorithms but cannot imagine writing code without the assistance of code prediction anymore. I am using Grammarly to check my English. I use DeepL for translating stuff since this produces fewer errors than I can ever do. On the one hand, I am dependent on this technology; on the other hand, I would like to have the technology from 10 years ago back. It was just some stupid machine learning and no AI. But when I read something I knew it was from a real person. No matter what the intention. It was a human being.
The most important thing I learned in my entire educational career was how to find credible sources and spot bias. A big problem with internet culture is that young people feel an increasing pressure to be constantly in the know out of a fear they'll be left behind, but it's created this weird phenomenon where people are absorbing and promulgating more ideas than ever while simultaneously getting worse at researching what they take in. The only thing that makes me more more nervous than the people using AI to exploit this flaw is just how many people fall for it.
Its not even that weird, its a loss of quality control. You don't get extra time or motivation out of nothing, so increasing the quantity of info you take in means less time for research and proofs. Thus, more quantity, less quality
Not to mention internet these days like to appeal to emotion too much. Either the internet and real life is overcorrecting for ignoring mental health, or humanity is just collectively burnt out.
It's been a big issue in media for years. "Just get it out the door, don't worry about accuracy or credibility." At one time, they would correct it if you let them know, but now, they'll just leave all the mistakes in.
Others, like me, are the opposite... faith in discernment ability so destroyed that if anything I expect trying to do research will make me *less* informed.
Honestly, I mostly did that. Consumed way too much media during covid, almost got used to it and hooked. Realized none of had any meaning to me or felt good in the long run, down to half an hour of screen time now. Reading more books, playing my guitar again, taking walks outside and working out. I can recommend to you guys to do the same. It takes some getting used to, setting timers n all that stuff but it only takes a few weeks and will make you feel like a new person. Fuck the dead internet.
